Miles just published part 1 of a 4-part piece on “Ancient Spooks” up at his site. I am starting a new post devoted to discussion of this series of papers, as it seems they will be important and spark lots of discussion. I’d rather have the discussion here rather than on the main ‘Defending Miles Mathis’ thread. I might do this as new important papers or topics come up.
Here is the link to part 1.
Here is the link to part 2.
Here is the link to part 3.
Here is the link to part 4.
Again, thanks Gerry, Miles and Josh! Your contributions to my thinking is very valuable. Also thanks to most of the contributors here, your comments are also very useful!
I would like to give you my big picture after Gerry’s part 4. To me history makes much more sense now!
So the rich families were merchants and decided to cover the whole world let’s say 5000 years ago. They went everywhere (!) on the planet. That explains why certain people traveled only north, other only east, etc.
3000 years ago they started moving inland. See what the romans did. Look at unesco world heritage sites, go to some very remote places in France, for example. The romans built aqueducts there. Very long ones, with impressive technology (they admit, as of today, “we still don’t know how they managed to get that kind of precision”). And of course they built bridges in small towns. They knew how to build with and without cement. 3000 years ago. They did not make war. They were building a world infrastructure. Think Amazon today. And Google.
Gerry, you did not mention places in the west. The canary islands were surely discovered much earlier (the name rimes with canaan, or Kahn) as a base to travel to middle america (cuba and the like). The mayor city is Las Palmas. Do you need more, for a phoenician signature?
I also think they got early to Yucatan. There you find the Mayas, with the same knowledge to build buildings (with or without cement). The Mayas had a very typical drawing style, which you do not find in Europe, but in Japan. Think manga and typical japanise drawings. The japanise imperial family has been in power for 2600 years now, so it could fit the timeline. Maybe they came from the Pacific side.
The migration of the Mayas is also comparable to what is happening today: for economical reasons they need cheap labor in Germany, so they fake a war first in Afghanistan, then in Syria. And voila, one million people is working somewhere else!
Now even the Easter Islands make sense. In their world quest they used the island to cross the ocean. Until they did not need the base any more.
A little south from Yucatan you will find Carthagena, in Columbia (the dove, again!) Officialy the city was built after 1492 (in 1533), but now I assume the Phoenicians did it.
I could extend much more, but this is not a paper, just a comment.
To finish, I do now understand why we, the normal people, are outraged by the exorbitant fakings (fake atomic bombs, fake moon flights, fake wars, fake september eleven…). To them, this is really business as usual!
And I agree with Miles, if there is a hole in the history (like in the middle age) it is because they are hiding something on purpose!
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>I could extend much more
I wish you would. I enjoy your comments very much.
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Isn’t there a theory that the Dark Ages didn’t happen? The years 614 till 911 (!) = the phantom (spooky?) time hypothesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis
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From that Wiki:
“Heribert Illig
“Illig was born in 1947 in Vohenstrauß, Bavaria. He was active in an association dedicated to Immanuel Velikovsky, catastrophism and historical revisionism, Gesellschaft zur Rekonstruktion der Menschheits- und Naturgeschichte.”
Of course, that last line translates to:
Society for the Reconstruction of Human and Natural History
Replace “Reconstruction” with “Fabrication” and you have your answer. The 1947 part is also a huge flag, obviously, as is any reference to Velikovsky.
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Another flag, at least for me, is the guy saying Charlemagne didn’t exist. I’m allegedly related to him, thus the “Magne” in my name. My uncle (father’s oldest brother) works at the Mormon genealogy center in Salt Lake City, Utah, on Temple St. and while I don’t necessarily trust the Mormons, I don’t see him claiming something like that to me without doing his homework.
https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Roger-Magneson/1763238501
“Roger Magneson
Project Manager–Family Reconstitution at Family History Library
Location:
35 North West Temple, Salt Lake City, Utah, United States”
He may or may not be spooky himself as he’s ex-Navy, and my other uncle on my mother’s side runs the Walter Kronkite School of Journalism in Arizona, so I may have spooks on both sides of my family. But if his research is correct, then it’s correct.
The Mormons do more genealogical research than any other sect that I’m aware of, though it may be tainted. He’s worked there for most of my life and might be a good resource. Their library was the largest in the world prior to the modern online ones, which most likely reference theirs I would imagine. If they have a generation trail through the Middle Ages, it might be worth me making a phone call and seeing what I can dig up. He’s always been a friendly old chap to me anyway and loves to talk about his work.
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“…the guy saying Charlemagne didn’t exist. I’m allegedly related to him, thus the “Magne” in my name.”
Maybe they were referencing someone called Charlie Magneson and it got corrupted?
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There are numerous Magnus, not only Carl. Alexander would be an existing one, a better one. 🙂
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Yes but as I stated, my uncle has traced OUR heritage back to Charlemagne. Not other Magnuses, but that particular guy.
We are of Norwegian descent chiefly, but our people spread far and wide, and as we now know of course Norwegian Vikings were originally settled or infiltrated by Phoenecians as well.
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I read about the theory even before realizing the extent of fakery.
The book was “Die erfundene Geschichte” by Uwe Topper. Would I trust the author? Still don’t know. The arguments were good, so part of it is surely correct, but misdirection is always possible. On the positive side, wiki doesn’t mention the author, you find it only when you know what to look for. Like Miles, in a way.
Basically the central question is if Karl der Grosse was an existing person and if he was incoronated in Aachen on december 25. Of the year 800. What I did not notice then is the obvious numerology. Or if they inserted a few names to invent 300 years of history. The name Karl could be a homage to some family.
Anyway, I traveled to Aachen to see the Cathedral. It took me 3 seconds to realize it must be a joke. It is at best a small church, actually a mosque that has been transformed in a church by adding, left and right, two altars. The throne is on the first floor (?), out of a rock (maybe an hidden message here?), no way Karl became imperator in such a place! End of story!
If anyone is still unsure, please go there and look at it! For reference then go to Rome and see the difference between a church and a cathedral.
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Nobody seems to agree on even rough dates. Some time during the 5th century to around 1,000 AD….ish! But 911 looks like a spook date for sure…
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Thank you for your contribution, Andrea. I disagree somewhat, but maybe that can fuel the discussion? 😉
I agree that trade links to India, China, perhaps America, were there earlier than admitted. But IMHO they were weak & remote, established gradually, not all at the same time. Nor were these places “conquered” by Phoenicians. The grand merchants weren’t explorers or risk-takers, only Neolithic settlers were, driven by natural disasters. That’s why explorers of all times mostly “discovered” already inhabited islands & coasts.
I was sent many spook-peddled links for “Phoenician America”. If the Early Contact Theories make “more sense”, we’d have to ask which part it is that makes more sense? If you want to know how Cortez “conquered” the Aztec empire with just a few 100 soldiers, this one Wiki page explains it all:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Montezuma&oldid=843672058
After Moctezuma II is “killed” by Cortez, the aristocratic families start to merge immediately: Moctezuma’s daughter “Isabel” has a child with Cortez, and marries 3 Aztec & 3 Spanish aristocrats. Likely several princesses are conflated here, as the spooks didn’t want to admit the extend of the merger. Then Moctezuma’s grandson Diego Luis is made count by Philip IV. A new “Duke of Moctezuma” title is established. And today we have actors, sports idols & politicians named Moctezuma. We all recognize that pattern, don’t we.
So yes, maybe there was some early knowledge of the Americas. Columbus’ “discovery” was likely just a “seizure”. But I think there’s a reason why early American colonies of those purple-clad “Vikings” were abandoned. Ship & navigation tech wasn’t ready then to make it a viable venture. Once the tech was there, spooks like Columbus & Cortez were sent again, to take the distant but known regions into the fold, risk-free.
Carthagena & Columbia might simply be hints that the American “conquest” unfolded like the European one, and they used the same millennia-old trick: Aristocrats all over the world will independently develop into arrogant & deceptive scum, who loathe their subjects, but recognize each other as “birds of the same feather”. You don’t need “Phoenician sleeper cells” for such a “conquest”, only a little grafting onto the Tree of Families, and all armies will fall over backwards. The rest is unadmitted history. 😐
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Gerry, you give a lot of thoughtful comments. Thank you for that!
If I err, it is an honest mistake, I don’t want to misdirect anyone.
I will follow on your hint about Montezuma. I realize there are more operas about it than on Nabucco. So the families are obviously very thankful to Montezuma, one of their Own?
Staying with my area of expertise, if some people are farmers, like we are told the Mayas were, and having local roots, like we are also told, they wouldn’t care much about stars, but only about sun and moon. That’s all a farmer cares about.
But if you are a sailor, stars is all you want to know. It does not make any logical sense for the Mayas to be borne there, live there, stay there, and observe the stars.
For the Phoenicians it was imperative.
This is just an example, there are many other folks with this attitude about astronomy…
Again as an example, while I am at it, the Maya pyramids remind me of a theater stage. We learn that their leaders were from noble families (why? Is it what farmers do?) that they were fighting each other and sometimes killing the other king, „cutting“ their head. Suddenly I have a picture in front of my eyes: a Las Vegas show where the lady is cut in two! The audience gasps! Blood everywhere!
Now you people, go home and think about the risk of being a noble…!
If my thinking is correct it would explain why to this day, this kind of shows are performed in Las Vegas, by the best magicians!
Roman theatre and gladiators was likely the same: professionals faking fighting and deaths in arenas. The wild animals? Well, tigers, elephants, bears are performing to this day. Once a year the best are celebrated in Montecarlo, by the Grimaldi family.
So you see: business as usual!
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You know, my initial response was, “But what about all the skulls and human remains in the Mayan ruins?” So I quickly looked it up, to find supporting photos and articles. I found no photos, and few articles. The history tells us these remains were everywhere but I couldn’t find any support for that thought.
What I DID find was an article on a mass grave claimed to be Mayan, but it was located just south of Mexico City. That’s not Mayan territory as far as I know! That’s Aztec country. They dated the remains to 2,400 years old, which predates the Aztecs and the Mayans by over a thousand years. The oldest Mayan temples are said to have been built around 700 AD, and those remains would have been around 400 BC. So they couldn’t really be Aztec or Mayan.
We do have evidence of mass graves of the Aztecs, but those could all easily just be from the 1400-1500 era: https://globalnews.ca/news/3570512/tower-of-human-skulls-in-mexico-casts-new-light-on-aztecs/
Then a cave in the Yucatan where many remains were found, which seems to be a spot to deposit plague victims: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140116-maya-mexico-yucatan-cenote-bones-haunted-taboo-archaeology-science/
So again, we have a lack of evidence supporting the mainstream story.
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That said, if we take Miles’ work on the charge field and solar cycles to heart, we have EVERY reason for the Mayans as farmers to study the stars. Solar cycles affect crops tremendously. We can see that in our own gardens now.
You did make a good point about seafaring people needing the stars more, but let’s say the Mayans studied farming for generations, from 700 AD on. It’s not a huge stretch for them to notice and begin mapping out the solar cycles, based on stars. It’s pretty cool and stuff, but not impossible at all.
What’s really odd is that we have a similar “Taker” cultures forming in parts of the Americas as we had in the Fertile Crescent. Mother Culture shouldn’t have spread that way, one would think. It only spread out from the Tigris and Euphrates (allegedly) because of land itself at first.
But THAT said, the Mayan’s didn’t spread out anything like our common ancient ancestors in Mesopotamia. They didn’t conquer the Americas, not like the Incas and Aztecs did anyway. They didn’t go very far in comparison, though I could be wrong. But they also weren’t a real “empire”, not the way the Phoenicians or Romans or Egyptians were. More a conglomerate of city-states and tribes. So they aren’t the same kind of “Takers”.
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I really dig your work Gerry. Good stuff and has torn so many holes in the curtain of history I’m just finding endless material just about everywhere. Have you looked at the history of the Byzantine Empire and it’s dynasties? It’s a complete joke and it’s no wonder Byzantine history is usually skipped over by the mainstream.
Just a quick hit since I’m on my lunch break but the same thing happened with Pizarro and the conquest of the Incan Empire. It took some sleuthing on the white-washed pages of Wikipedia but when the Spaniards arrived 1) The Incan Empire was already in the middle of a civil war (convenient) 2) We are told European diseases wiped out up to 95% of the population, so Incan society should have been in total Mad Max mode at that point, 3) The Spaniards didn’t just have a measly 168 soldiers but untold amount of native auxiliary tribes that all turned on the Incan Empire when the Spanish came, which leads to 4) Inter-marriage alliances between these tribes and the Spanish and eventually what’s left of the Incan royal family.
There’s also this silly story about how Pizarro released his puppet emperor Manco into the wild accompanied by only two Spanish soldiers in order for him to “recover a golden statue of his father Huayana Capac”. Of course he escapes but what do you know he comes back with “an army of 200,000” and besieges of city of Cusco which happens to be the base of his rival Diego de Almagro. The whole story is a bit more complicated of course and could definitely spin out into a paper, but my lunch break is over now.
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Also I found this interesting link that was dumped on this page for Agathocles of Syracuse.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110716100716/http://www.tyndalehouse.com/Egypt/ptolemies/affilates/aff_ptolemies.htm
Genealogy of the Ptolemies and Affiliated lines. The Ptolemies were descents of Philip II, Alexander the Great and that whole show. Looks incomplete, could be some misdirection there, but definitely worth checking out. Also note the author of the page Bennett.
” Descendants of Cleopatra Thea, daughter of Ptolemy VI and queen of Syria, can be traced well into the second century AD through the marriage of her granddaughter Laodice to Mithridates I king of Commagene. From there she was probably an ancestress to the kings of Emesa and much of the aristocracy of the late classical Near East. It is also likely that, through the marriage of a Commagenian princess to a king of Media Atropatene, that she became an ancestress of later Arsacid kings of Parthia and Armenia. From these dynasties descent lines have been argued that reach into medieval Europe and the present day.” You don’t say..
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Found some intermarrying clues for the Maya as well, not as pronounced.
In a first encounter, shipwrecked Spanish nobs are captured and fattened to be eaten (right), but one somehow ends up intermarried with rich Maya lords. Hm. A “friar” is offered marriage as well, but stays true to his vows of fidelity, of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spanish_conquest_of_Yucat%C3%A1n&oldid=852116309#First_encounters:_1502_and_1511
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ger%C3%B3nimo_de_Aguilar&oldid=840562281
Cortez visits the Itza, and the Maya king is so impressed by a Catholic sermon that he promptly renounces his gods and starts worshiping a lame horse left by Cortez.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kan_Ek%27&oldid=827644412#Early_16th_century
For the last stage of the “conquest”, a name that pops up repeatedly is “AjChan”, a high-ranking diplomat and nephew of the Itza king. He has family ties to Itza, Yalain and Kowoj, and to the “semi-Christianised Maya at Tipuj”. AjChan is baptized with the Spanish governor of Yucatán as his godfather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spanish_conquest_of_Pet%C3%A9n&oldid=815531246#Spanish%E2%80%93Itza_diplomatic_contacts,_1695
He is allegedly aboard the galley that wins the Assault on Nojpetén, capital of Petén. That’s another surprisingly easy victory, with precisely 108 soldiers, in 1697.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spanish_conquest_of_Pet%C3%A9n&oldid=815531246#Assault_on_Nojpet%C3%A9n
Another Wiki article says Aj Chan is actually the king of Petén when the Spanish invade it in 1697. Why isn’t that in the first article?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yalain&oldid=836585358#Proposed_territory
The Maya lords are then all captured and disappear in captivity. But I bet some did just “disappear”.
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The timelines seem disjointed, so wouldn’t it have been the Toltecs that the Spaniards encountered and not the Mayans themselves?
I’m not questioning your accuracy at all, but rather my memory of their history. That could just be the mainstream “spun” history I’m thinking of.
“The Post-Classic Period: 950-1524 CE – At this time the great cities of the Maya were abandoned. Thus far, no explanation for the mass exodus from the cities to outlying rural areas has been determined but climate change and over population have been strongly suggested among other possibilities. The Toltecs, a new tribe in the region, took over the vacant urban centers and re-populated them. At this time, Tula and Chichen-Itza became dominant cities in the region. The widely popular conception that the Maya were driven from their cities by the Spanish Conquest is erroneous as the cities were already vacant by the time of the Spanish invasion (in fact, the Spanish conquerors had no idea the natives they found in the region were responsible for the enormous complexes of the cities). The Quiche Maya were defeated at the Battle of Utatlan in 1524 CE and this date traditionally marks the end of the Maya Civilization.”
https://www.ancient.eu/Maya_Civilization/
So if we merge the timelines, Pedro de Valdivia encountered local Toltec peoples who may or may not have been the descendants of the Mayans? Wouldn’t Aj Kan Ek in 1525 also be a Toltec noble? This appears to be a title perhaps, because we see the same name in your other link in 1695.
This doesn’t affect your premise, I’m just confused a bit. Probably not your fault. 🙂
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Another interesting tidbit maybe, it looks like they’ve found structures below some of the main Mayan pyramids dating back to perhaps as far as 1000 BC. It comes a lot closer to the timeline of the Phoenicians, though I couldn’t find any real link here and the source is highly questionable:
“Inomata assumed that the now iconic classic architecture probably stood on earlier sites used for similar purposes. His assumption turned out to be correct. He found smaller platforms built of earth beneath the pyramids of stone, signaling a formal ritual complex at Ceibal dating to around 1000 B.C.
“The presence of ritual architecture early in the development of the Maya is an indication of a settled lifestyle with complex agriculture, religion, and a stratified society—all of which add up to a unified culture and the beginnings of a larger civilization.”
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130425-maya-origins-olmec-pyramid-ceibal-inomata-archaeology-science/
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In those Wiki articles “Maya” is used in a wider sense. Shouldn’t have copied that, sorry. Please replace it with “Guatemalan natives”.
The early history with those abandoned cities is still fascinating and may be worth exploring. I don’t deny that. Maybe we’ll even find those ancient trade connections.
What I meant to say was that there’s likely a reason the discovery and the pyramids are hung as spook bait everywhere. They want to keep our eyes off the low-hanging fruit: The “conquest” of America may be a textbook case of how nations were hooked & spooked, namely with the help of those at the apex of the social pyramid. Just my opinion. 😉
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Gerry, for the Mayas I have a theory.
They built a big city in a time where big cities were ..rare.
They were not fishermen, but they moved only by boat, used no animals. But were supposedly farmers.
They spoke 30+ languages/dialects.
They lived in huts but could build palaces or temples.
Their style differs from the Egyptian, but their ancestors are unclear.
They possessed great mathematical (they used not the decimal system, but a 20 system) astronomical knowledge, but not for practical purposes (not for farming, not for sailing).
I could list many inconsistencies, too many.
So a logical solution: the Maya build one of the first international cities, like Hong Kong or Singapore. The region can be easily reached from the east, Europe, or the west, China.
It was a gold rush.
Many Mayas were miners, in my opinion.
The tempels are very similar to the chinese style. Extremely similar. They were mining metals (gold, silver etc). They had the skill to work stones and we see that in the stone buildings. There is no need for stone homes, because the temperature is all year round very comfortable.
For a long time they connected east and west. Then Europe became more important, the spanish took over.
Many of the Mayas moved north, started what we call the Aztecs (who officially came from nowhere). They founded what today is called Mexico city. They had the knowledge to drain the water from the see, to build stuff in stone, with or without cement, they were goldsmiths and silversmiths…
They did also pottery and clothes. Sounds familiar?
This is not a crazy theory. It fits more facts than the official version. It is consistent. But obviously a lot of details have to be checked. The language aspect would be nice.
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What evidence do we have that they didn’t use astrology for farming? I mean that in the literal sense, “study of the stars”, as opposed to the modern perverted horoscope usage of the word.
Also, what evidence do we have that they didn’t fish? It seems like every coastal culture developed fishing techniques. Did the Mayans not build along the Gulf? “Tulum”, the only city found by the Spaniards with a population, is on the coast. “Altun Ha” is also on the coast, but supporting your theory has excellent jade mines evidently. “Quirigua” has a history of stonework as well, though I don’t know about mines – but it’s also on or near the coast.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/map-of-the-maya-world.html
I’m just asking, not defying your premise here. What would evidence that they didn’t fish LOOK like? Nets and fishing lines wouldn’t leave much trace over centuries, nor wooden docks or wooden boats.
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As for a central or main metropolis, Tikal or Palanque tend to come to mind. But they are both landlocked, so perhaps it would have been one of those cities I listed above?
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Jared, you ask, do I have any proofs regarding Mayas main occupation?
Well, maybe not, but let us check one old Maya site, one that was about 80 km from the sea, close to the mountains.
From Wikipedia: “Caracol is the name given to a large ancient Maya archaeological site, located in what is now the Cayo District of Belize.”
“It is 15 km away from the Macal river. It rests on the Vaca Plateau at an elevation of 500 meters above sea-level, in the foothills of the Maya Mountains. Long thought to be a tertiary center, it is now known that the site was one of the most important regional political centers of the Maya Lowlands during the Classic Period. Caracol covered approximately 200 square kilometers, covering an area much larger than present-day Belize City (the largest metropolitan area in the country) and supported more than twice the modern city’s population.”
“The town grew into one of the largest ancient Maya cities, covering some 177 km² with an estimated population of over 100,000 with settlement focused along the many radiating causeways (potentially peaking between 120,000 and up to 180,000)”
“The Caracol area was occupied as early as 1200 BC, yet occupation in the epicentral area was no earlier than 650 BC and lasted no later than AD 950. Caracol boasts 53 carved stone monuments (25 stelae and 28 altars), and more than 250 burials and 200 caches.“
“By the Early Classic (between AD 250 and 550) Caracol was tied into extensive trade networks and pan-lowland ideological systems, leading to a unified regional economy. Caracol was officially founded in AD 331 (8.14.13.10.4) by Te’ K’ab Chaak. Special Deposit C117F-1, a Teotihuacan style cremation of three individuals dates precisely to this period, indicating early influences from northern Mexico.”
“Caana (meaning sky palace), the main pyramid at Caracol, houses 4 palaces and 3 temples and remains the tallest building in modern Belize, with a height of approximately 141 feet”
“The last recorded date at Caracol is AD 859 – 10.1.10.0.0, on Stele 10. Caana’s abandonment dates to approximately AD 900; several other structures have occupation that dates to the Terminal Classic period. Structure A6 was abandoned in AD 1050, and marks the final abandonment of the site”
So Mayas were not fisherman, because they lived prevalently far away from the coast. They were not primarily farmers, because a farmer has a farm and does not live in the city. The climate did not motivate them to build in stone, evidenced by the fact that they lived in wooden huts. They were all working for a big company.
They all left, in waves, my logic tells me, because the principal occupation was not there anymore, so all the services (food, transportation, housing, etc.) became obsolete. No one had local ties, they were there to work. Many of them moved further North, to Mexico. As Aztec (a “new company”) they founded Mexico City. Mexico City is 300 km from the Pacific coast, 260 km from the Atlantic coast.
Neither Mayas nor Aztec were farmers, in my opinion.
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Additionally I have quotes that hint to a chinese-mayan connection : “In East Central Quintana Roo some of the Mayans are descended from the marriages between Mayan Indian women and Chinese migrants and they were made fun of because of this by other people, although they are dealt with sympathetically, according to Alfonso Villa R. Mestizos and Mayans married with Chinese without restraint.”
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So what did they eat?
I mean I agree with your assessment in general, but when histories claim a vast culture wasn’t farmers of fishers or whatever, one must wonder what the hell they ate. Hunter-gatherer cultures never supported such large populations, that I know of. The human population worldwide is said to have been stable at roughly a million for hundreds of thousands of years prior to Totalitarian Agriculture.
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Sounds like a cool theory, but you have a lot of work cut out for you. 😉
If you’re already writing your paper, I’d separate it into 1) general “merchant prince” patterns 2) the Maya-Aztec link and 3) the global link. That way, the analysis will be a “win” for all of us, even if some won’t be convinced of 3).
In any case you may have found an explanation for the constant reshuffling: They’re auctioning off the leftovers of their “company nations”, and sometimes another god-king clan will have use for it, and moves in. In the Maya case, there was no buyer nearby.
As for 3) you’d have to come up with a good hypothesis. I don’t doubt that Bronze Age ships could make it across the ocean occasionally, but only with heavy losses. Can’t picture our chicken-hearted aristocrats getting aboard. Can’t picture them letting commoners run this either. I also think similarities to China & Phoenicia are weak, so I’d look for something that’s a) pretty secure, but b) slow, and c) infrequent.
If we’re to speculate, my only idea would be really large one-in-a-century convoys, 1 there, 1 back. Maybe Hanno’s 60 ships & 30,000 men weren’t so exaggerated. They’d found a new “company nation”, use locals for work, stash the loot in, say, pyramids, finally bail and leave that nation to rot.
Another thing that’d help is lower water levels. In my theory from part 3, warm climate made agricultural surplus possible, and the steep social hierarchies that were our doom. Maybe intercontinental trade networks had already been established in the low-water ice age, by commoners, with 100s of independent little hops. Maybe melting of the ice was lagging enough for god-kings to emerge while they could still usurp those intercontinental routes, for a while. Just speculation.
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I am not writing the paper, I am still thinking and researching…
What interest me most is the big picture. Your paper helped me a lot.
Miles helped insofar that he forced me to question everything.
Once in a while I go sailing. The sailing routes around the world are known. If you travel from Europe to Belize, you first go to Tenerifa, then Cuba, then you arrive.
On the Pacific side, from Mexico you go to Hawaii, then to Japan, Korea or China.
In the middle there are islands, the “Midway” islands.
I think we have to consider that society as we understand it started much earlier, cities and companies also, and the faking of events as well. The magic, the theater, the special effects….
As an aside: the bridge in Genova, did not collapse. It was mined and destroyed on purpose. The film showed the explosion. I saw it right away and told a college “I bet they will find a lame excuse for the two flashes of light”. Two hours later a witness said something about a lightning hitting the bridge… I won.
On the next day, same video, same tv- station, the flashes are gone.
The houses underneath were probably already empty, the railtracks had been cleaned up a long time earlier. The whole area is a residential speculation.
This is not interesting, it is not the big picture, but is not easy to avoid.
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Gerry describes many Phoenicians ports. One is Nora, in the south of Sardinia. I visited the ruins.
There is a rest of a roman amphitheater, some mosaics and a couple of walls. On the floor I noticed a groove, sort of narrow channel and so I asked the guide about it. He said that the place was older than roman (confirming the Phoenicians story) and that in the harbor the buildings were not for living, but for storage. The rooms had sliding doors (!!). That was surprising to me.
Nora is 50 km west of Cagliari. If you go 50 km east of Cagliari there is Villasimius. It is a beautiful place for vacation, with gorgeous beaches. The town’s old name is Crabonaxa. There is a Carbonara bay, a Capo Carbonara and others. What I mean is that the area has been a coal mine for hundreds of years. The town was reachable only by water until very recently (like less than 100 years) and was a Phoenician port (is missing in Gerry’ s list).
I always wondered why such a beautiful place would be so… “hidden”, not advertised, not even connected. Obviously they used to make enough money with minerals extraction. Only when this is not the case anymore, they start developing tourism.
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>Villasimius, Sardinia
I found this:
The Nuragic civilization was a civilization in Sardinia, the second largest island in the Mediterranean Sea, which lasted from the 18th century BCE (Bronze Age) to the 2nd century CE. The civilization’s name derives from its most characteristic monument, the nuraghe, a tower-fortress type of construction built in numerous exemplars starting from about 1800 BCE.[1] Today some 7,000 nuraghes[2] dot the Sardinian landscape.
No written records of this civilization have been discovered,[3] apart from a few possible short epigraphic documents belonging to the last stages of the Nuragic civilization.[4] The only written information there comes from classical literature of the Greeks and Romans, and may be considered more mythological than historical.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuragic_civilization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuraghe
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About evidence for Punic-Phoenician place names and material contact early on in Britain.
(I don’t know whether much of the info in these links has been mentioned already, so here goes) :
http://www.caitlingreen.org/2016/12/punic-names-britain.html
http://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/10/oxygen-isotope-evidence.html
http://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/04/thanet-tanit-and-the-phoenicians.html
http://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/08/a-mediterranean-anchor.html
Including a map of astoundingly many Carthaginian coins found in Britain, the finding locations of which also often seem to coincide with putatively Phoenician place names.
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Please consider this an avid reader’s request to collate these comments in a more readable, chronological format, as its own paper. I can’t follow this for some reason but it’s so intriguing!
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I haven’t done my homework for this class on the Phoenicians yet, but I just stumbled over a poem from the Waste Land by T.S. Eliot today, which had some of the keywords that I’ve been picking up from conversations over here. I looked up Eliot and found out he worked for Lloyds bank in London, which I found interesting. I always wondered why “April is the cruellest month”, and now given the connection to Lloyds bank, I wonder if it has something to do with the end of the fiscal year in the UK. Definitely, looking forward to reading these papers on the Phoenicians when time allows.
Death by Water
Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,
Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell
And the profit and loss.
A current under sea
Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell
He passed the stages of his age and youth
Entering the whirlpool.
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
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DEATH BY WATER is a version of the last seven lines of Eliot’s earlier poem, Dans le Restaurant. (Originally in French)
Phlébas, le Phénicien, pendant quinze jours noyé, 25
Oubliait les cris des mouettes et la houle de Cornouaille,
Et les profits et les pertes, et la cargaison d’etain:
Un courant de sous-mer l’emporta tres loin,
Le repassant aux étapes de sa vie antérieure.
Figurez-vous donc, c’etait un sort penible; 30
Cependant, ce fut jadis un bel homme, de haute taille.
https://www.bartleby.com/199/21.html
Here is the given English translation:
Phlebas the Phoenician, fairest of men,
Straight and tall, having been born in a caul
Lost luck at forty, and lay drowned
Two long weeks in sea water, tossed of the
streams under sea, carried of currents
Forgetful of the gains
forgetful of the long days of sea fare
Forgetful of mew’s crying and the foam swept coast
of Cornwall,
Born back at last, after days
to the ports and stays of his young life,
A fair man, ports of his former seafaring thither at last
http://expectationmyheavenanddwellingplace.blogspot.com/2009/11/english-versions-of-two-french-poems-by.html
Here is Google Translate’s version:
Phlebas, the Phoenician, drowned for fifteen days, 25
Forgetting the cries of seagulls and the swell of Cornwall,
And the profits and losses, and the tin (!) cargo:
A submarine current carried him far,
Ironing him back to the stages of his previous life.
Imagine, then, it was a painful spell; 30
However, he was once a handsome, tall man.
And here is The Wasteland in its entirety for those who are interested:
https://www.bartleby.com/201/1.html
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An excerpt from one of Jordan Maxwell’s lectures that may be helpful, but note that he is an elite agent, so be careful if you study his material:
Understanding law and the words of law, there are two things this planet has: water and earth, water and land. Consequently, there are two kinds of law – the law of the land and the law of water. You’ve heard the term “law of the land” but in point of fact, that’s precisely what this term means because it is the people who live on land, and that is opposed to something else, called the “law of the high seas” or the law of water and you need to understand the difference. The law of the land is the law of the culture that lives on the land and consequently, the law of the land is different in every country…
However, there is a higher law that dominates the entire world… it’s called the law of the water or the law of the high seas. The law of water is referred to as the law of money… Anytime you’re doing banking or using money, you are now under the law of water, maritime admiralty… it began in the land of Canaan (an ancient term for a region roughly corresponding to present-day Israel, the West Bank, western Jordan, southern and coastal Syria and Lebanon continuing up until the border of modern Turkey). The Canaanites were Phoenician… Phoenician bloodline… in the ancient Phoenician language, “Canaan” meant “merchant banker”. The word “merchant” comes from “mer” for the sea, for water, as in “mermaid”… The law of water is the law of banking and money, as opposed to the law of the custom of the people or the law of the land. [Reminds me of the “Sea Peoples” …]
Source: http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?2,481287,481287
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[I’ll post this here, since it is related to spooks in general.]
@Miles
In your paper Learn to Recognize Government Disinformation, you discussed Greenwald’s article on covert agents infiltrating the internet. What I didn’t know is that the slides used in this article are taken from another one called The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations. These slides were supposedly authored by the British spook agency GCHQ (NSA’s counterpart).
This is what caught my eye:
a) On slide number 5 you can find the following expressions: compliance, obedience, deception, magic, influence, psychology, trust, elicitation. They remind me on Derren Brown’s (British mentalist and illusionist) intro words to his TV episodes: “I mix magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship.” Brown’s words actually summarize how Intel agencies (controlled by the elite families) govern the population. Yes, I’m sure Brown comes from the peerage.
b) On slide number 6 it says: S4 and next to it SCIENCE, SIGINT, SKILLS, SYSTEMS. The S4 reminds me on the British security company G4S which was involved in building and maintaining GCHQ’s headquarters. Among the owners of G4S you find also State Street Institutional Investment Trust, State Street Master Funds, State Street Variable Insurance Series Funds, Blackrock Funds, Blackrock Funds lii, Blackrock Index Funds, Blackrock Advantage Global Fund, Goldman Sachs Trust, and Goldman Sachs Etf Trust. G4S is supposedly the world’s largest security company measured by revenues and has operations in more than 90 countries. It was founded in 2004 by the merger of the UK-based Securicor with the Denmark-based Group 4 Falck. Securicor was founded in 1935 by the former Home Secretary (= MI5) Edward Shortt (married to Isabella Stewart Scott). In 1939 it was taken over by Major Freeman Freeman-Thomas (Lord Willingdon) and a Henry Tiarks who developed it into a leading security business. Securicor, along with co-founder British Telecom, was involved with the creation of mobile phone operator Cellnet in 1985. Securicor sold its share in the company to British Telecom in 1999, resulting in the formation of BT Cellnet, which was later spun off as O2, a famous telco (think about the O2 Arena in London). What I didn’t know is that O2 is just a brand name – the name of the company that owns it is Telefónica Europe plc, which is a subsidiary of the Spanish telco Telefónica, S.A. Note that both British Telecom and Securicor/G4S are involved with the construction of GCHQ’s headquarters in Cheltenham.
Also, there is an S4Security Ltd. company registered outside London, but “based in London”, headed by a 31 year-old Pakistani. It looks like a fake to me. No logos and corporate photos in Google Pictures.
So, could the S4/4S be a GCHQ spook marker?
c) Slide number 8 (“We want to build cyber magicians.”) and slide number 15 (cards flying in air) again remind me on Derren Brown, but also on the movies Now You See Me 1&2, in which the plot revolves around faked deaths of rich and influential people and magicians recruited by an organisation called The Eye. “It is a secret society made up of the most skilled magicians from around the world (illusionists, mentalists, escapists, psychics, hypnotists, card-trickers and mediums) […] and originated from ancient Egypt”. Merchant princes, Phoenicians come to my mind …
d) Slide number 16 (“Magicians, the military and intelligence”) is a bit more telling. It features three magicians, I guess all of them upper class boys, and their involvement with Intelligence. The first is Jean Robert Houdin (reminds me on the Jewish illusionist Harry Houdini, born in Budapest, Hungary, as Erik Weisz, a child of Rabbi Mayer Sámuel Weisz and Cecília Steiner; think about Rudolph Steiner, the founder of anthroposophy, also born in the Kingdom of Hungary exactly 20 years after Houdini’s mother and died 12 years after her death). The second is Jasper Maskelyne, “a British stage magician in the 1930s and 1940s. He was one of an established family of stage magicians, the son of Nevil Maskelyne and a grandson of John Nevil Maskelyne. He is most remembered, however, for his entertaining accounts of his work for British military intelligence during the Second World War, in which he claims that he created large-scale ruses, deception and camouflage”. His father, Nevile Maskelyne, was a magician and inventor – more precisely, he was the manager of Anglo- American Telegraph Company, “which was formed on 6 November 1856 to undertake and exploit a commercial telegraph cable across the Atlantic ocean, the first such telecommunications link”. Jasper’s grandfather, John Nevile Maskelyne, born in Cheltenham (where GCHQ’s headquarters is located), was a member of The Magic Circle, “a British organisation [founded in 1905], dedicated to promoting and advancing the art of magic”. Let’s stop for a moment here and see some disambiguations of this term:
i) “In games and digital media, the ‘magic circle’ is the space in which the normal rules and reality of the world are suspended and replaced by the artificial reality of a game world”.
ii) “The Magic Circle is an informal term for the four London headquartered law firms with the largest revenues, the most international work and which consistently outperform the rest of the London market on profitability.” There is also a Silver Circle, lower-income competitors of the Magic Circle, but there is supposedly no Golden Circle … and “it was also argued that by 2023 global law firms will rather be split between the Global Elite law firms, International Business law firms and Super Boutique law firms”. Interestingly, there is also the Bar’s Magic Circle, consisted of a few barristers chambers, one of them being the Blackstone Chambers (think of Blackstone/BlackRock investment company), “a leading set of barristers chambers in the Temple district of central London [City of London]. Established in the 1950s, it has 105 tenants, of whom 53 are Silks”, officially called Queen’s Counsels, Sir Francis Bacon (one of the premier British spooks) being the first one. The black stone seems to be a very old elite spook marker. Of course, there is also the offshore magic circle which is “the set of the largest multi-jurisdictional law firms who specialise in tax havens (especially the Caribbean triad of Bermuda-Cayman-BVI, and the Channel Islands duo of Jersey-Guernsey), and increasingly in modern corporate tax havens (especially Dublin, Singapore and Luxembourg)”.
The Oxford English Dictionary defines the term magic circle as 1. a small group of people privileged to receive confidential information or make important decisions, and 2. (in the UK) a society of conjurors. So basically, elite deceptionists… meaning they come from the elite and work for the benefit of the elite.
Anyway, the third magiCIAn on the slide is John Mulholland (cf. the Mulholland Drive in the elite parts of LA, connected to the Ventura Freeway, as in Jesse Ventura), a close friend of Harry Houdini (mentioned above). “He left his editorial position at The Sphinx [again a pun on Egypt] in 1953, officially due to health problems but actually to work for the CIA […] During the Cold War, Mulholland was paid by the CIA to write a manual on deception and misdirection. Copies of the document were believed to have been destroyed in 1973, however, copies later resurfaced and were published as ‘The Official CIA Manual of Trickery and Deception’.”
e) Slide number 21 features The Conjurer, a painting produced by Hieronymus Bosch (think of the famous Bosch electronics company) or his workshop. I found it on Wiki’s page on magic, where it says: “Notice how the man in the back row steals another man’s purse while applying misdirection by looking at the sky. The artist even misdirects the viewer from the thief by drawing the viewer to the magician.” Plus, (if you zoom in) note the magician’s and thief’s Jewish nose, the owl (symbol of wisdom = intelligence/Intelligence) in the magician’s bag, and the “magic circle” leaned against the table. On slide 22, there is a painting of what might be a pelican in water. In the left upper part of The Conjurer, there is a bird with a long beak – could it be a pelican? It reminds me of the pelicans featured on the Rosicrucian pendant. The pelican on the painting could symbolize the phoenix bird = Phoenicians/merchants, in this context.
So, I believe we can consider the circle, in such contexts, to be another spook marker (cf. the Golden Circle organisation from the Kingsman spook movie). With this slide, the spooks are basically saying they are robbing us in broad daylight while doing their magic/deception.
f) Slide number 33 features a photo of what seems to be the Arab Spring protest in Egypt with the writing “Do you love your brand?”. Since the Arab Spring was a product of Intel, this is an inside joke.
g) Slides 35, 36, and 37 feature photos of UFOs. Since all those slides in the article are about the ‘art of deception’, they are telling us that UFOs are some kind of an Intelligence fake. This article was published in 2014 by Greenwald, a British journalist, which means he beat the BBC by admitting this topic is a fake two years before they released the documentary HyperNormalisation, where they admitted the UFOs are a “sanctioned counterintelligence operation” created to fool people into thinking it is aliens in the sky instead of advanced human technology (which I don’t believe was reverse-engineered from alien crashed aircraft, as some say). More about this in Miles’s paper caes.pdf and its supporting research.
h) The last, 50th slide shows a photo of an American magician called Teller doing the one-eye sign (the Eye of Horus, again a pun on Egypt), next to whom it is written “Conjuring with information, Teller, 1998”. He is a Jew born as Raymond Joseph Teller, and Wiki says, although I can’t find it in the referenced sources, that he is an “atheist, debunker, skeptic, and a fellow of the Cato Institute [initially called Charles Koch Foundation, of the billionaire Koch brothers], an organization which is featured prominently in the duo’s Showtime series Bullshit!” Maybe the above quote is taken from a blurb that Teller supposedly wrote about the book Psychological Subtleties 1: “In this book you will find some of the most baffling ruses devised for conjuring with information. They are gems collected by a man I consider one of the subtlest thinkers in magic.” Again, GCHQ are telling us they have been mindfucking us with disinformation and other psy-op techniques.
When I saw the surname Teller, it reminded me of Edward Teller, the “father of the hydrogen bomb”, which is another deception, as Miles showed in his papers caes.pdf, trinity.pdf, and bikini.pdf.
i) Lastly, an excerpt from one of the two above-mentioned Greenwald’s articles. Just as a reminder: “Government plans to monitor and influence internet communications, and covertly infiltrate online communities in order to sow dissension and disseminate false information, have long been the source of speculation. Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, a close Obama adviser and the White House’s former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-‘independent’ advocates to ‘cognitively infiltrate’ online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups. Sunstein also proposed sending covert agents into ‘chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups’ which spread what he views as false and damaging ‘conspiracy theories’ about the government.”
We’ve seen this tactic being used against Miles for years, so there is no doubt about this being true.
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Bosch, is Dutch for Bush, also Boyce (English from the French Bois), Dubois (French), Bosco (Italian), Busch, Bösch, Bosch, Boesch (Low German), Bosque, Del Bosque (Spanish). Hieronymous = sacred name.
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“We’ve seen this tactic being used against Miles for years, so there is no doubt about this being true.”
It’s pretty much their MAIN tactic now, especially on social media. In a conversation yesterday with a friend about conspiracy theories (on Facebook), one of HIS friends jumped in to say he was related to one of the parents of the “victim” children from Sandy Hook. So I asked which child. He wouldn’t answer for over a day and scores of more comments and requests for him to identify the genealogy. How can he be related to the PARENT of that child and then not also to the child?
So he said the child’s name was Martin and that his surviving sister had a leg amputated as a result of HER wound. Only problem? There were no Martins on the official victims list, nor any little girl amputees. He was completely full of shit. But never admitted it, even after I outed the guy. His only real defensive response was to claim I was probably a tranny. Classic Langley.
They’re straight up everywhere now. One might think it was a fluke, just some douchebag trying to be all cool, but I don’t see it that way anymore. They’re not the exception, they are the rule now.
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It’s very strange how many forums / chats / image boards I’ve been on where anonymous folks claim to be directly related to victims of Sandy Hook. It’s almost like their go-to counterclaim, I imagine.
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It’s crazy because the person made no attempt at all to refute my evidence that there was nobody named Martin on the list. He only attacked my profile pic, a photo a friend dug up from the high school yearbook staff pics she took back in 1993. So yeah, I looked like a dork. But a dork and a tranny are very different things. It was just a pathetic rebuttal, and the absolute dodge I found incredible.
Just shameless stupidity, one might think? These types of things happen too often on these exact topics to be stupidity. Someone is paying people to say shit like that.
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” privilege 1.
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
“education is a right, not a privilege” ”
They like to dance around the true meaning = private law .
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What about the ancient white mummies found in China?
https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
Qizilchoqa sounds almost Azteclike, the disused place they were discovered, which is in North West China.
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The Loulan Mummy impression picture looks a wee bit like Courtney Cox! And they went to the same hatters as Gandalf!
The Atlantean Gardens wording says that Caucasoids were there FIRST, yet the paragraph thereunder states: ‘These people were from the Bronze age, they were Caucasian, and it is possible that they interacted with the indigenous people at that time. The local people probably taught them their traditions, and the Caucasians most likely introduced them to their way of life as well.’ How did they interact with the indigenous people at that time when they were the first there? At that time, they were the indigenous people.
‘History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.’ Napoleon Buonaparte
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Interesting piece on ‘Richplanet’ ( Land of the Image Makers ) regarding pre history and the role of trade in destroying the human connection to the land. Hope you don’t mind my mentioning it.
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@Andrea (collapse of the bridge in Genova, Italy)
You’re probably right, there are a lot of suspicious things related to this event. I made a quick research and I guess the reason for manufacturing it could be that one or more shareholders want to increase their share in Autostrade Italiane, or someone wants to enter the ownership, and the biggest shareholder does not want to cooperate. In any case, the target here seems to be the billionaire Benetton family (30%). One of the parties that could want to increase its stake for as cheap as possible would be Blackrock (5%). Namely, after the event, the company’s stock plummeted and within four days, while the investigation was still taking place, the Prime Minister decided to revoke a part of their concession. What?! It wouldn’t be the first time for Blackrock to manufacture something like that.
Another curiosity is that the youngest of the 4 Benetton siblings died of cancer exactly a month ago, after he had got sick only a few months ago. He may have faked his death and went to Argentina, where they own a lot of land, acting as the family’s hidden king.
Shareholders:
https://www.borsaitaliana.it/borsa/azioni/profilo-societa-dettaglio.html?isin=IT0003506190&lang=it
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That could be.
Alternatively, we recognize the name Benett(on), a family that was extensively mentioned by Miles. They are billionaires, have also big stakes in retail (in most big cities there is a Benetton store), mostly in best locations. Very likely, they could be involved in the scheme.
Let’s say the area underneath the bridge used to be full of rail tracks.
They have been removed. The houses, until recently very noisy, were likely empty, being bought up by an insider. Now the bridge is gone, the owner of the houses gets new houses somewhere else (that was told in the news), Swiss Re refunds the damage, Autostrade spa made huge gains, because they invested little in the past years ( they “milked” the company), now they lose the concession, in other words thay don’t pay for the new bridge, the tax payer does. Shares could have been hedge before the “accident”.
The government declared Genova in state of emergency, I guess that means laws are not followed for a year, while the bridge, the houses and the new real estate is being built. The rebuilding of the bridge should take 8 months. Apart from the numerology, that is quite quick for Italy. I guess the plans for the new development were already ready.
I did not research anything, all I am mentioning was in the news, mostly in the headlines. I am just connecting the dots.
We will see. As I said, I usually don’t waste time on fakes and focus on – for my taste- more interesting topics. Unfortunately you cannot avoid Genova: they put it in almost every news report!
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@Ancient spooks
Arbella or Arabella was the flagship of the Winthrop Fleet on which Governor John Winthrop, other members of the Company, and Puritan emigrants transported themselves and the Charter of the Massachusetts Bay Company from England to Salem between April 8 and June 12, 1630, thereby giving legal birth to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. The ship was originally called Eagle, but her name was changed in honor of Lady Arabella Johnson, a member of Winthrop’s company, as was her husband Isaac. Lady Arabella was the daughter of Thomas Clinton, 3rd Earl of Lincoln.
Arbella reminds me of M-ARBELLA, a beautiful coastal city in Spain, a famous retreat for the wealthy (Piers Morgan made an episode about it). Right across is Gibraltar, a tax haven you don’t hear much about in the media. Here’s what it says on Marbella’s Wiki page: “Some historians believe that the first settlement on the present site of Marbella was founded by the Phoenicians in the 7th century BC, as they are known to have established several colonies on the coast of Málaga province. However, no remains have been found of any significant settlement, although some artefacts of Phoenician and later Carthaginian settlements have been unearthed in different parts of the municipality, as in the fields of Rio Real and Cerro Torrón.”
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Even more connections to our ancient culprits. Now that the cat’s out the bag, it seems we find these connections all over the place.
Arabella is a pretty name too. I had no idea that was the first crew to reach Salem, and still feel pretty silly about not making the Salem-JeruSALEM connection myself, previously.
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As we were talking of “company nations”: I found only one surviving Phoenician inscription where they wrote about corporations, and the word is GW (גו) — much like goy (GWY, גוי), nation. Not evidence for anything, since that word root just denotes any “body” of people, plus the human body, like the Latin root. Still interesting. It’s from Athens.
1. On the 4th day of the Marzeaḥ (?), in the 15th year of the people of Sidon, the community of the Sidonians resolved in assembly: — to crown
2. Shamaʿ-baʿal, son of Magon, who (has been) president of the corporation in charge of the temple and the building of the temple court,
3. with a golden crown of 20 drachmae sterling, because he built the court of the temple and did all
4. the service (?) he was charged with: — that the men who are our presidents in charge of the
5. temple write this (our) intention upon a golden stele, and set it up in the portico of the temple before men’s eyes — that the corporation be designated
6. as surety (of) it. For this stele let them bring 20 drachmae sterling of the money of the god the Baʿal of Sidon:
7. thereby the Sidonians shall know that the corporation knows how to requite the men who have done
8. service before the corporation.
1. בים 4 למרזח בשת 15 לעם צדן תם בד צדנים בנאספת לעטר
2. אית שמעבעל בן מגן אש נשא הגו על בת אלם ועל מבנת חצר בת אלם
3. עטרת חרץ בדרכנם 20 למחת כ בן אית חצר בת אלם ופעל אית כל
4. אש עלתי משרת אית רעת ז לכתב האדמם אש נשאם לן על בת
5. אלם עלת מצבת חרץ ויטנאי בערפת בת אלם ען אש לכנת גו
6. ערב עלת מצבת ז ישאן בכסף אלם בעלצדן דרכמנם 20 למחת
7. לכן ידע הצדנים כ ידע הגו לשלם חלפת אית אדמם א.ש פעל
8. משרת את פן גו
https://books.google.de/books?id=KwsIAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA94&q=%22president%20of%20the%20corporation%20in%20charge%20of%20the%20temple%22%20OR%20%22corporation%20knows%22%20OR%20%22corporation%20be%20designated%22%20OR%20%22before%20the%20corporation%22
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Gerry, good try! I really think that looking for companies could be helpful.
What strikes me as strange, historians don’t tell us what activities have been going on, for example, in Yucatan and the Mayas (this is just an example for not changing topics too often). When the spanish conquistadors arrived there, they were allegedly impressed by the gold, in quality and quantity. So logically, there had to be miners and goldsmiths. But not in the official story.
There is mention of trading and merchants, but we are left alone to guess what they would trade (fish, anyone?)
Researching other topics I saw that the capital of Sri Lanka is Columbo. Another dove.
Also a city in Brazil called Belem (Betlehem). In Lisboa a part of the city, the noble, jewish part, is also called Belem.
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Addendum: the city of Belem was the door to brasilian rubber. In Germany there was a company named Phoenix AG, now part of Conti AG, specialized in rubber. It was founded by Albert and Louis Cohen, a familiar family name…
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Josh, have you digested all of Gerry’s 4-parter and formed an opinion?
I have a feeling there is a piece of the puzzle still missing, tho’ what it is, I don’t know.
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Yes, I have. Though mostly I have a lot of questions. I haven’t had time to write about it, but when I do I will!
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With me it’s the technology for the ship building , tools used to work the cedar .
Yes , it’s an amazing wood in it’s splitting ability , a sharp edge and enough force to push against it , and the grains are straight , Gerry * brought some comfort with the Brit . tin connection to make sturdier tools .
The Polynesians are said to spread across the Pacific in outrigger canoes , but they were not carrying great loads of merchandise .
* Is the name Gerry a pun , as Brits/US soldiers used a collective name for German soldiers ?
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http://irc.qclearancearchive.net/index.php?page=players
http://www.mediafire.com/?73a56gicud8sd
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