Miles just published part 1 of a 4-part piece on “Ancient Spooks” up at his site. I am starting a new post devoted to discussion of this series of papers, as it seems they will be important and spark lots of discussion. I’d rather have the discussion here rather than on the main ‘Defending Miles Mathis’ thread. I might do this as new important papers or topics come up.
Here is the link to part 1.
Here is the link to part 2.
Here is the link to part 3.
Here is the link to part 4.
My fave harp player :
He and Brownie McGhee toured around with Woody so I suppose all one’s greats can become compromised , I’m thinking they were Woody’s cover , a physically handicapped guitarist and blind harp man would only slow down a family operative spy / agitator .
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My fave: Norton Buffalo (Phillip Jackson)
#2 would be Paul Butterfield even though he was a rich kid who pretended to be from the Chicago streets like his rich musician pals who did likewise.
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“from da Streets”
Lol. Yup; I’m so sceptical about such claims now because of Mr Mathis.
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Another thread I have to check the box and follow.
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The Titanic, Mrs Astor and Armenians – oh my!
And the hits just keep on comin’.
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Yeh, that guy looks really does look “Armenian” 😉
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And did you notice the fellow with the Napoleonesque hidden hand in the photos?
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hidden hand at 2:01.
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Yup it really doesnt take them long to throw up a bunch of noise and mis-direction immediately after Miles releases a new paper.
That channel is so the standard YT propaganda of half-truths and lies mixed in with about every video you watch. If you sleuth enough if you can tell most come out of the same dungeon sub-level in Langely or wherever (same voice actors, art direction, etc.). Like they want us to believe 31million youtubers watched this Titantic video. All the other videos have obvious fake viewcounts.
But wait a minute.. I thought they solved it back on Jan 2018 (Miles published the Titanic paper October 2018) when they released this video?
See it was fire guys!
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Don Van Vliet, aka Captain Beefheart released Trout Mass Replica 50 years ago today. Under “Mathisian” analysis, this guy smells like a project. As MM has pointed out so well, modern art is by default “transgressive.” Both Van Vliet’s music and artwork qualify. Avant garde pushed by college art professors on students hungering for an aesthetic The similarities to Hopper’s snotted leather jacket in a Taos “art” exhibit come to mind.
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I just typed ‘vliet painting’ into google image search and my God he was terrible. Looks to be selling the work of kindergarten children. I entered that search term because I recognised the name from a couple of Dutch Golden Age painters Willem van der Vliet and his nephew Hendrick Cornelisz van der Vliet. The wiki on Don van Vliet (Beefheart) tells us he has Dutch ancestry, and claimed one of his ancestors knew Rembrandt. (Just noticed this now – Rem BRANDT). So I’d say we are in the ballpark of wealthy connections. Pity he didn’t inherit their talent. The name Vliet doesn’t appear in the peerage but there is Vilet, Vile, Weil, Weiller, Vanderbilt. My guess is if you have the time to dig, you will find connections.
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There is a lot of ‘evidence’ that St. Paul was a Herodian. The Herodians were the lapdogs of Rome.
https://taylormarshall.com/2015/08/was-saint-paul-related-to-herod-7-reasons-paul-was-herodian.html
Was he a dupe, a deceiver?
https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/topicindex/656-was-paul-a-dupe-or-deceiver-or-tampered-with.html
I go with the latter. Paul’s writings (written in Greek) are the earliest Christian writings. He never once quoted Jesus and he never met him. He even refused to meet the apostles after the crucifixion. The gospels came way after Paul’s writings (80AD) also written in Greek (written by poor fishermen?).
IMHO there was this man walking around in the Galilee claiming either to be the Messiah, or to be the prophet to initiate the end of times. Most likely got crucified. Romans didn’t appreciate talk about a Kingdom to come. Thousands were crucified during this period. Jesus sounded really disappointed when God didn’t bail him out, so he may have miscalculated the whole thing.
Jesus, a zealous Torah adhering fanatic, was the dupe here. But the story got hi-jacked from the beginning by Paul. His first writing was of AD52, 20 years after the crucifixion. Paul elevated Jesus to god-status.
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I think there’s an even more fundamental elephant in the room which concerns what we have seen to be the pervasive inflence of elite Jews. It concerns “Jewish deicide” as described in Matthew 27:24-25. The Jews (indoctrinated fall guy variety) vocally take the blame for the murder of an innocent man not just on themselves, but hereditarily. A permanent blackwashing, if you will. And in the cowardly fashion that is still au courant, they get the goyim to do their dirty work.
That Jesus was crucified by Pilate is confirmed by Josephus: an elite Jew, an elite Roman, a propagandist for the Empire. and a liar according to many. Why would a guy like that do such service a for Christianity?
The real conundrum as I see it is, if this story is all just fake news anti-semitic alt-right nonsense, how has any it managed to come down to us? They’ve had two millenia and pervasive influence to work on it but they’ve not yet stomped it out.
The “Jewish deicide” Wiki page blows it off in every which way you can and lists it under “Antisemitism”, which shows you where elite Jews are at. Pope Paul VI told everyone 50 years ago just to shut up about it, which shows where they’re at. From casual observation, average Jews do not want to talk about it but tellingly won’t repudiate it, which shows where they’re at. And a few are happy about it, like the ones in the New Testament.
It is at all reasonable to think that elite Jews made it up from the beginning and are, as usual, using their “lesser brethren” as human shields? That’s a real stretch and is playing with hellacious fire. Or is it more believable that long ago some elite Jews conspired to have a guy named Jesus murdered, and they have not yet been able to eradicate record of the crime?
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Okay, so I just learned that this is a thing:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81lAGdJ6qwL.UX679.jpg
Weirdly, this saying is somehow associated with Disney’s Epcot center.
https://disneyaddicts.com/spaceship-earth-if-you-can-read-this-thank-the-phoenicians-275290/
It really seems to be a common catchphrase connected to Disney and theme parks.
http://thankthephoenicians.com/
https://tomorrowsociety.com/spaceship-earth-scene-by-scene-thank-the-phoenicians/
Before reading Miles’ and Gerry’s papers I would’ve just shrugged this off as “yay isn’t history and science cool?” but now I’m just scratching my head at this weird symbolism where Spaceship Earth in Disney World is asking you to Thank the Phoenicians.
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Yup; seems a tad bizarro.
A celebration of the expansion of the Families at the Earth’s expense 😉
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I tripped across another subtle Families/Phoenicians reference the other day. The first bulk-oil tanker to pass through the Suez Canal was owned by the Shell Transport and Trading Company (which would soon merge and become Royal Dutch Shell, fifth largest company in the world in 2018). The founder was Marcus Samuel, 1st Viscount Bearsted, born to an Iraqi Jewish family from Mesopotamia. The name of the tanker was the SS Murex.
Murex is a genus of predatory sea snails, several species of which can be used to make a reddish-purple dye known as Tyrian purple, Tyrian red, Phoenician purple, royal purple, imperial purple or imperial dye. This dye was tremendously valuable in the ancient world, at times reserved for imperial use . So close was the association between this color and the elites that children born of prominent or high-ranking parents were known to the Greeks as “porphyrogénnētos” and to the Romans as “porphyrogenitus”, both words meaning “born in the purple”.
But the ship name is probably just coincidence, though.
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Nice find.
Rich Jewish British Aristocrats from Mesopotamia paying homage to the Phoenicians…hmmmmmm….HMMMMMMMM! 😉
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PS Luckily contemporary British scholars are keen to dismiss any notion of a connection. In fact, the Phoenicians don’t even exist, says the Head of the Oxford Centre of Phoenician and Punic studies. Same with an expert guest on one episode of “In Our Time” devoted to the Phoenicians, i.e. “I’m sorry Melvin but the Phoenicians do not exist. That is why I researched ’em, wrote about ’em and agreed to appear as a guest on a show about ’em: to state categorically that the Phoenicians never existed.”
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“I’m sorry Melvin but the Phoenicians do not exist. That is why I researched ’em, wrote about ’em and agreed to appear as a guest on a show about ’em: to state categorically that the Phoenicians never existed.”
LOL
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I want to add some connections related to Khosrow. While reading the wikipedia page for “Greek Muslims”, I saw the name Kaykhusraw II. The “khusraw” part seemed to be similar to a name from the Iran paper, so I checked the paper again. Yes, it is harder to remember these Eastern names. Right now I am familiar with the names of the houses of Byzantium (since some of the names also appear in Romania, my country), but I still have to learn more about the houses of Persia, Armenia, Georgia, India and the Muslim countries in general.
Nonetheless, Kaykhusraw II connects us to the Seljuks of Rum. Many of these sultans seem to have the “kay” as part of their name, so we know that “kay” is a separate word. It is easy to see that “khusraw” is a different spelling of “Khosrow”. His youngest son was made with queen Tamar that belonged to the Bagrationi dynasty.
Since we talk about the Seljuks, people here should know about Seljuk Beig, the supposed founder of the house. His 4 sons are Mikail, Israil, Musa (Moses) and Yunus (Jonah). The wikipedia page of Seljuk Beig says that these names “suggest previous acquaintance with either Khazar Judaism or Nestorian Christianity”.
I also have to add that Seljuk is very similar to Seleucus. (like the general of Alexander or one of the Diadochi). Some of the parallels between the Seljuks and the Seleucid empire are a bit too funny.
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Now that I’ve done enough reading on this topic…
There is not single “imperial” dynasty from any country or culture from any period of time that also gives me confidence it was a native dynasty. Before the modern era it seems this was one of their main goals: set up a ‘super-structure’ imperial dynasty above the native culture, for their usual reasons. Like globalist institutions today.
Even the Ming dynasty doesn’t check out, and they supposedly hated merchants and foreigners.
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Yes, it seems that there is an old plan to create a centralized world (how old, I don’t know). If we are to believe the standard history, at least from the time of Alexander the Great we have the concept of a marriage between East and West. The Susa weddings are in a way a symbol of the marriage between East and West. Today the marriage is made by promoting Eurasianism. Euroasia is the most important continent, so centralizing this continent is the next big step. At the same time they will probably also centralize the Americas (especially since USA becomes more and more Hispanic). We should also watch out for cryptocurrencies, since these currencies seem to be the next step for our monetary control.
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What was classed as East and West before Greenwich Mean Time and London was used as a start point for lateral degrees? To the Chinese, the Saudi Arabians are westerners and the Americans are easterners surely, or at least that’s the way it must have been millennia ago.
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I believe the plan is indeed very old and very centralized (think Star Trek’s Borg). The key is the Elite’s choice of wording. If you’re in the mood for far out speculation, read on.
To begin, why is the “New World Order” called such by the Elite themselves? The world order that the Elite gave us in the 20th century consisted mostly of war, genocide, tyrannical opression, merciless exploitation, and relentless terror. “World Horrifying Chaos” is more like it. And the same Elite now promise to bring forth something “new”? Aren’t we stupid to think that means “better for us”?
So are they referring to some “old World Order” at all? We’ve seen the Elite, in their slapdash phony “histories”, take great pain to infest them thoroughly with numerology. I suggest they chose their wording carefully and now direct your attention back in time. Way back.
A Sumerian poen dated to the 2nd Millenium BC is known as “Enki and the world order”. It is one of the longest and best preserved such Sumerian poems. Quite strangely, there is no Wiki page for it. The poem largely concerns a set of items, each of which is known as a “me”. There is a page for them under “Me (mythology)”.
These “mes” are extremely important, but scholars are not at all sure exactly what they were. However, from context, it can be understood that “In Sumerian mythology, a me is one of the decrees of the gods that is foundational to those social institutions, religious practices, technologies, behaviors, mores, and human conditions that make civilization, as the Sumerians understood it, possible. They are fundamental to the Sumerian understanding of the relationship between humanity and the gods.”
“Enki and the world order” describes how Enki (whose name means something like “Lord of Earth”) distributes these mes to subordinate deities. Other research on the Sumerians can show you that these deities chose human kings as middle managers who in turn ruled the human cattle. And do we not still have extant the concept of the “divine right of kings”?
The new plan is the old plan: total control of all aspects of human life, all the time. Unless the course is altered, you will be assimilated. They would also have you believe that resistance is futile.
Is it?
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Matt, any resistance will bring you an advantage and it is far from a futile effort. You resist by learning and sharing knowledge for one. This is a very fruitful endeavour as it is personal. Yourself will be rewarded at the end even though the chances are you might leave behind your World in New Order.
New World Order is nothing but ONE World controlled by the Jewish banksters. ONE government, ONE currency, ONE army … Nothing divine here, just immense power and riches. To try and stop them in their ungodly plans make sure everybody around you knows the truth even though you might fall out of their favour (holohoax for example). It is that important and worth it. Once the critical mass of people (10% – 15% of World’s population) learn and accept the truth there will be no more Families or World Orders, New or Old. They will be finished over night sort of speak.
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@Sunshine.
The whole world already is controlled by Jewish bankers. They don’t need, nor do I think they really want, ONE government, ONE currency, ONE army. They thrive and enrich themselves on conflict and chaos. If they integrate all the world’s governments, armies, currencies, then it will be harder for them to manufacture those things on the same scale and with the same profitability.
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Thank you Josh. I’m a bit shy but I have you in high regards all the same.
What you say makes sense. However, I thought the idea of NWO is widely understood as one world, one integrated power with one government, one police, one army … and most importantly one slave nation. They created European Union and they are expanding it. They are doing everything they can, or not doing anything to withdraw the UK from EU. I heard of NAU, North American Union plans (US, Mexico, Canada), following by Transatlantic Union (EU and NAU), then South American Union, Asian Union and so on until there’s no continent left to unite. Of course I don’t have a clue what the Phoenician Families’ future plans may be but ONE World idea seems logical to me. I think it would be easier to control everyone and all with one centralised power. As you said they already control everything. FBI, Interpol etc are one and the same. CIA, Mossad, MI6 the same. Governments no different. All this since ever. They are just hiding it all from people, but I imagine they won’t need to hide it anymore, or manufacture events and lie to the teeth if they have established ONE World. I imagine they won’t even need to fool people with voting anymore.
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I deleted this comment at Benjamin’s request. He said he posted it prematurely and it is a work in progress.
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Since Gerry’s Ancient Spooks series references much ancient text, I wanted to highlight an issue with translation (of any foreign language) that I’ve never seen discussed. To use as an example, we’ll take what should be an extremely controversial word from the Bible that I suspect most of you have never even heard. And far from being an esoteric issue buried deep within some begattings, it’s used in the very first sentence.
The word “elohim” is translated as “God”, as in “In the beginning, God created….” “Simple,” you’re thinking, “elohim was the Ancient Hebrew word for God.” This thinking is incorrect and totally misleading. I beg patience as I illustrate.
When the ancient Hebrews were developing Ancient Hebrew, they didn’t get a list of English words (from a time traveler, I would suppose), then go down that list saying to eachother, “For this English word, what shall our Ancient Hebrew word be?” But that is just what the thought process in the previous paragraph implies happened, does it not? Concretely, did their writing not develop thousands of years before the letters “g” and “o” and “d” even existed? So how could they possibly “have a word” for it?
The author of Genesis had some concept in his immaterial mind which he wished to communicate. He consulted the words he knew and chose “elohim” to best represent that concept, hoping that the reader would later be able to reconstruct that concept in his own immaterial mind. Simple enough, right? So what was that concept?
The primary thing to note is that in Hebrew, the “-im” suffix indicates a plural noun, just like adding “-s” in English. Thus, it’s not even referencing “God”, but “gods” (at least at this point in our inquiry). Shocking, eh? The mainstream explanations, what there are of them, all amount special pleadings: “We know it refers to a singular God because we all know there’s only one God”. Terrific scholarship, as usual.
Perhaps you’re now thinkiing, “Well, I’m not religiious and the Bible is a lot of hooey and it was probably written by a committee of Ancient Spooks in some basement in Sidon.” Well perhaps so, but the question still stands tall: what did they mean? Some kind of joke? An ancient seed for Project Blue Beam? Think on it a while–does that really seem reasonable?
Again, you must always keep front and center the reality that every writer has a idea in mind, and your job as reader or translator is to try to understand what that was. I don’t think the author of Genesis wrote down words any more randomly and chaotically than you do. Wait–do you?
So what did he or she or they have in mind? Give it due consideration, but not too terribly much because that first sentence itself was probably modified, this time perhaps by Ancient Spooks. It should be called “The Case of the Stolen Alef”, and it changes the meaning of the sentence by, well, quite a lot.
If anyone expresses any interest, I can write that up. Spoiler alert: It doesn’t (alone) solve the mystery of who the Elohim were.
Happy translating!
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Matt said: “To use as an example, we’ll take what should be an extremely controversial word from the Bible that I suspect most of you have never even heard.”
That’s an interesting way to express faith in our literacy,
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Elohim with a singular verb is translated god, elohim with a plural verb is translated gods.
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That is how I understand it Roelf.
Matt:
Have you ever thought it may just be a story?
Nine times out of ten, when a story is contradictory or simply doesn’t make sense, you can be assured that most if not all of it is made up. Even if it references real events, you have to ride on the story tellers back to formulate any understanding.
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Hi Russell, thanks for taking the time to read my post. Since you asked directly, I’m assuming your question is not just a rhetorical device and that you actually want an answer. Yes, indeed, I spent almost all my life thinking the Bible was just a story. I didn’t need to even look at it because it was obviously just a bunch of dusty old fairy tales made up to bludgeon the weak-minded into line. What need had anyone with two or more functional synapses for such drivel?
That view lasted until fairly recently, when in the course of researching certain subjects I ended up examining a few short passages here and there. Actually, I was mostly there to prove to myself that it didn’t say what some others indicated it might. Those fools were crying “Wolf!” and I just went into the forest to check. The more closely I examined and researched, looking for counterevidence, the more evidence fell precisely into place with the research I had been doing. That got my attention.
I found it to be the inverse of the path I had taken while I had been reading all of Miles Mathis’ historical papers. There, we have seen dozens of times where the mainstream accounts concerning historical events and figures reads like the bad fiction it is. While I had for decades assumed the Bible was bad fiction, those certain passages I studied began to read more like historical accounts. Distorted accounts, often using metaphor because the original witnesses may have poorly understood what they were experiencing, but history nonetheless. Detailed examination, a fair body of background, and most importantly discernment were required. The truth, though, could be perceived through the haze.
Consider a common high school American History textbook. I daresay you would be able to open it to any page and find an error. Shall we then throw it out as useless propaganda, maybe even concluding that no such America as is the subject of the book ever existed? Perhaps. Or we could use Mathis’ method and “despin” to delineate both the truth and the lie they want us to believe.
I think your last sentence hits the nail double-hard on the head. I absolutely agree that getting to the truth requires us to take that ride, because I believe such truth is highly unlikely to appear on Wiki any time soon. The problem, though, is that ride requires that we pedal and steer and precious few are willing to do so.
Isaac Newton wrote about 10M words, 1.3M of which were on Biblical topics and a further 1M on alchemy. Nikola Tesla studied both the Bible and the Vedas. Truth resides wherever it may and so that’s where I’ll have to look for it, from the sanctum sanctorum of the temple to a muddy garbage dump full of rats.
Even Wikipedia.
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So is it “A” or “B”?
Me…Probably both.
How so?
Me…Well they considered wordplay a sort of hobby, one translation for the masses and one for the initiated. They had a thing for mirror image allegories.
So how many gods did they worship?
Me…Well I would guess they were polytheists.
So who is the one they were referring to?
Me…I dunno.
One more question….”Who is they”?
Me…The survivors of the sunken continent. Call them whatever you prefer.
Ok, make that 2 more questions…Did they take over the world?
Me…That depends on how you look at it. How does one take over something they created themselves?
WTF? Are you claiming these people created the world?
Me…No, just all of the inventions that we take for granted. Like governments, Metallurgy, domestication of crops , animals, etc.
Well heck they seem kind of inbred to me, it is hard to imagine that they could have created a ham sandwich.
Me…. True, but they just inherited the throne, they didn’t invent anything. And you are probably correct about the sandwich.
Ok, Ok, so if they are so stupid, how do they expect to prevail?
Me…Had your flu shot?
Dude…You are whacked!
Me…Am I now?
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Perhaps we should elaborate on the singular/plural issue. Let me first say that I forgot to mention that “elohim” is the plural form of singular “el”. This begs the question: why would the writer would use a plural form when a singular form is available? This remains unanswered and, more tellingly, unasked.
Perhaps it is something akin to “the royal we”? I refer you to the Wiki on “Pluralis excellentiae”, where a Hebrew grammarian calls this out as a hoax. Yes, using that word. How often do we get Wiki calling hoaxes by their names?
There’s a very long Wiki page directly on “Elohim”. There you’ll find the “singular/plural verb” thesis is indeed one of the mainstream explanations I alluded to above. If you study their arguments closely I believe you’ll find that while they use much verbiage, the form always reduces down to that of a special pleading, which is “an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle (without justifying the special exception)”. If that’s okay with you then you can just accept what Wiki’s got to say.
Interestingly, they do take a very quick run at justifying the special exception in the section “Other plural-singulars in biblical Hebrew”. They cite the plural nouns “Baalim”, “Adonim”, and “Behemoth”. Didn’t we just see these right at the beginning of Ancient Spooks III in the discussion of “Adon”, “Baal”, and “El”? Doesn’t Gerry explain that these words very closely related, almost intertwined? Well, now the mystery is only deepened. And I thought a behemoth was just a word for a big monster, but with the association here maybe it means more than that, eh?
Fun note: Anyone remember the kooky Raelians? They thought the Elohim were “a species of humanoid extraterrestrials” and “They purposefully misinformed early humanity that they were angels.” Oh my! And this cult wanted to establish an embassy for them in Phoenicia! (Well, technically it was Israel or Lebanon.) They’ve got the smell of another psyop all over them, but I wonder: what could it possibly be about?
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“This begs the question: why would the writer would use a plural form when a singular form is available? This remains unanswered and, more tellingly, unasked.”
Well first of all it says” Let US make man in OUR image in an OUR likeness”.
And at the tower of babel it says let US go down and confound the languages.
So apparently there’s more than one person involved in this…. hence the plural.
In John it says in the beginning was the word and the word was WITH God and the word was God. And the word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus.
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”‘?Elohim
Psalm 82:6
I have said, “You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.
In the church that I used to go to they used to say that Elohim is a family or a family last name and that we were all Elohim because we are all gods.
We are children of Father Elohim so therefore our last name is Elohim
Tony Elohim
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I doubt he was referring to you Jared.
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What if God is an uncountable noun. Like Shamayim… Heaven.. the heavens
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That’s a great point, Roelf, and I forgot to mention it before, so thanks!
In English, collective nouns take singular verbs. This idea is acknowledged only in the briefest passing in the “Sons of God” section of the “Elohim” Wiki, but dropped instantly. I would presume that’s because it puts us right back in the plural boat.
And Tony points out above very correctly that plural verb forms are used many times with elohim. In sum and IMHO, any and all “singular” theses get chased off the field of battle.
Personally, my operative best guess is that the original authors wrote the word “elohim” when they had in their minds the concept that we would ideate as “the heavenly”. Then the question would become: Were they interacting with something like “a set of supernatural deities that arrived from the realm of the immaterial” or more like “flesh and blood alien beings that arrived from space”?
Some may be thinking at this point that all this is ancient, metaphysical arcana far from our modern technological world. But consider names like Daniel, Elisha, Michael, Gabriel, and Elizabeth. Do these not contain faint traces from this time long, long ago? And how about words like election and elite? Is there some possibility, farfetched though it may be, that there is and always has been a connection between the “elohim” of the dawn of history and the “El”-ite we have been studying?
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There’s always the underlying logic of modern day, scientific explanations for the ancient stories. Perfect example being the biblical floods. Spikes in temperature causing incredibly high rates if ice melt at the beginning of our present Holocene interglacial period. The flooding must have been catastrophic, and seem quite otherworldly to those living at the time. It would last for an extreme length of time too, maybe over a thousand years, on and off, with repeated catastrophic floods. We only have to go back a couple of hundred years to find that people believed Gods to be responsible for natural events like that one, and thunderstorms and plagues. Indeed, billions of people, world-wide, still believe that supernatural beings control our lives and natural events…
So the eternal debate about whether Elohim is singular or plural is completely lost on me really. All other Gods have been lost to antiquity, and we are just left with the one. How long before that God goes the same way as all the others?
We are befuddled and misled even today using the same obscure and brain fogging tactics to hide all sorts of misdeeds. It was used by the controlling families back then as it is today. I don’t see a difference. An example is the different spelling of English words. We have been bombarded by American TV, film and literature for decades, and I often find myself questioning the spelling of words in my own language. Because I have seen that word spelled differently so many times, that I have forgotten which spelling is correct. There is a move afoot to change the spelling of lots of English words which have unusual or difficult to remember or illogical spellings, so we’ll all be converting to the more simplified American way soon, I’m sure of that. Same with the European metric system….much easier than the old imperial way. Plural Elohim? Maybe, perhaps, probably, might be, if you say so…..does it matter?
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Totally agree Russell! I am on board with the concept that words are only good in limited circumstances. Plenty of other evidence to go on. And sometimes , I make up new words myself. Sort of literary license.
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All the way to hell … fuck it. It may as well last. Monkey Man!
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Were these Phoeny mindfubbers always at it? 😉
Introducing the Ancient Greeks, Edith Hall, p225
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A hit, a very palpable hit! Let’s look a little closer at it.
The tenets of Stoicism, if I may try to summarize, are natural law, self-control (especially when emotions are destructive), and universal reason. They highly valued individual virtue. Hmmm, I’m not sure too many of us would disagree with those ideas, right?
The Stoics indeed promoted egalitarianism, but in the classical sense. The modern perversion of it–from the Civil Rights Act to the policy that got all the Sandy Hoax videos memory holed off of YouTube–includes the notion of “protected classes”. In other words, “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” I doubt Zeno would be down with this.
Zeno’s Republic does include some pretty out there ideas, but it was written in opposition to Plato’s Republic. It was said of the former, “Zeno of Citium thought that Love was the God of Friendship and Liberty and the author of concord among people, but nothing else.” As to the latter, his Republic included slavery, controlled breeding, and the “Noble Lie”. Which would you say the Elite trying to manifest?
Finally, fake Karl Marx never mentioned Stoicism when writing about his fake Communism. Edith Hall does not have a good case here. Wait–who is she?
Wiki tells us that “[Edith Hall’s] research has been influential in three distinct areas: (1) the understanding of the performance of literature in the ancient theatre and its role in society, (2) the representation of ethnicity; (3) the uses of Classical culture in European education, identity, and political theory.” May I rephrase? “(1) propaganda and social engineering, (2) multicultural social justice, (3) Cultural Marxist Critical Theory.” Ah, now we see more clearly.
So what has nada0101 kindly surfaced for us here? (A) Phoenicians instituting a subversive fake philosophy 2300 years ago, or (B) Phoenicians subverting an important philosophy 2300 years after it was introduced? If you answered (B), then your bonus question is “True or false: Edith Hall is servitor of the Elites scurrying around like a cockroach in the dank halls of so-called academia contaminating real philosophy.”
Oh my, did I just get myself memory holed off of YouTube?
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You make a very forceful point, Matt. Not only is our view onto Ancient History a window of Phoeny construction but they’re constantly painting over the glass! So lesson learned. I accept without question your defence of Stoicism and only add that it is interesting that Zeno’s rivals tried to cast aspersions on his reputation by suggesting he was Phoenician. Perhaps the likes of Plato et al were misdirecting from their own origins?
Finally, Edith Hall dedicates the book to “My Family” 😉
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*Plato’s heirs
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As you admit, some of his ideas do seem out there judging by the phoeny-Wiki pages on his lost “Republic”, e.g. men and women should all wear the same cloths, parents and children are enemies. It also seems we have our usual story of a rich merchant who is also a philosopher, this time with direct connections to Phoenicia, if Wiki is to be trusted. So perhaps Ms Hall is indeed praising a forebearer?
I understand the praise that Stoicism receives (I’m thinking about the “Meditations” as I write this) but Zeno does look like one of the usual suspects. I’m only basing this on a quick look-up of the Wiki pages.
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Glad you brought up Zeno since you reminded me of the Cynics. We’re told Zeno based his moral ideas off of the Cynics.
I always liked the Cynics and found its natural, anti-authoritarian philosophy right up my alley. I currently sport J. H. W. Tischbein’s ‘Diogenes Searching for an Honest Man’ as my profile pic on YouTube.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes
However if we take a closer look at his history we’ll find a spooky story.
The whole leading paragraph gets us started:
“Nothing is known about Diogenes’ early life except that his father, Hicesias, was a banker.[9] It seems likely that Diogenes was also enrolled into the banking business aiding his father. At some point (the exact date is unknown), Hicesias and Diogenes became involved in a scandal involving the adulteration or debasement of the currency,[10] and Diogenes was exiled from the city and lost his citizenship and all his material possessions.[11][12] This aspect of the story seems to be corroborated by archaeology: large numbers of defaced coins (smashed with a large chisel stamp) have been discovered at Sinope dating from the middle of the 4th century BC, and other coins of the time bear the name of Hicesias as the official who minted them.[13] During this time there was much counterfeit money circulating in Sinope.[11] The coins were deliberately defaced in order to render them worthless as legal tender.[11] Sinope was being disputed between pro-Persian and pro-Greek factions in the 4th century, and there may have been political rather than financial motives behind the act. ”
This reminds me of Socrates, who was accused of corrupting the youth and later sentenced to death by the Athenians. Socrates mother was actually a Spartan were told, which made me wonder maybe he was actually sent in to disrupt Athens. We’re told Diogenes sought to be a pupil of Antisthenes, who himself was a pupil of Socrates.
Sinope is also located in the ancient Paphlagonian region of modern-day northern Turkey. Paphlagonia has come up several times in papers about the Phoenicians.
Although the ancient Greek philosophers may not have been Modern in our sense, it doesn’t excuse them from us finding out they were likely involved in some ancient spooky shit.
Also Diogenes father Hicesias has a Geni page:
https://www.geni.com/people/Hicesias/6000000011260419950
His page is run by Yigal Burstein, of Israel, who was the son of a Zionist youth leader Yerahmiel Meir Bursztyn.
https://www.geni.com/people/Yerahmiel-Meir-Bursztyn/2834735
I could probably keep going but I got shits to do today.
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Plus……. who gets to talk like that to Alexander the Great and live?
Diogenes was relaxing in the morning sunlight, Alexander, thrilled to meet the famous philosopher, asked if there was any favour he might do for him. Diogenes replied, “Yes, stand out of my sunlight.” Alexander then declared, “If I were not Alexander, then I should wish to be Diogenes.” “If I were not Diogenes, I would still wish to be Diogenes,” Diogenes replied.[5][6][7] In another account of the conversation, Alexander found the philosopher looking attentively at a pile of human bones. Diogenes explained, “I am searching for the bones of your father but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave.”[35]
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I thought that part was telling too. Possibly a latter insert by one of the dynasty’s propagandists. Or those two actors really did meet up.
In a similar note, I find it hilarious how many times I try to do a Google search on a term.. only for Google to ‘correct’ my spelling to another name, which I then find in no short order is just another ancient spook. Happens so often I wonder if it’s on purpose.
For example if you try to google Diogenes father Hicesias, Google suggests ‘Hegesias of Cyrene’ instead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegesias_of_Cyrene
We’re told he was a student of Aristippus, who founded the Cyrenaic school of Philosophy, who preached ‘ethical hedonism’, but apparently Hegesias swung it all the way over to the nihilist camp. Basically it was a Buddhist importation according to King Ashoka’s Edicts. We’re told he latter taught people to commit suicide, since death was preferable to life:
“None of this, however, is as strong as the testimony of Cicero,[4] who claims that Hegesias wrote a book called Death by Starvation (Greek: ἀποκαρτερῶν), in which a man who has resolved to starve himself is introduced as representing to his friends that death is actually more to be desired than life, and that the gloomy descriptions of human misery which this work contained were so overpowering that they inspired many people to kill themselves, in consequence of which the author received the surname of Death-persuader (Peisithanatos). This book was published at Alexandria, where he was, in consequence, forbidden to teach by king Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285-246 BC). ”
Many of the antics these so-called Greek philosophers were up to remind me of today’s attempts blackwash Christianity by seeding it with corrupted philosophy. The more I read about ancient “history” the more I realize nothing much has changed.
Here’s a telling part:
“One work attributed to “Aristippus” in ancient times was a scandalous work entitled On Ancient Luxury (or On the Luxury of the Ancients; Greek: Περὶ παλαιᾶς τρυφῆς). This work, judging by the quotations preserved by Diogenes Laërtius,[21] was filled with spicy anecdotes about philosophers and their supposed taste for courtesans and young boys.[22] Thus the author supports his claims for Plato’s various erotic relationships through his quotation of epigrams attributed to the philosopher,[23] and makes an extreme allegation that Periander committed incest with his own mother.[24] That this work cannot have been written by Aristippus of Cyrene has long been realised,[25] not least because the author mentions Theophrastus who lived a generation after Aristippus.[22] The name may have been adopted by the writer to suggest a connection with the hedonistic philosopher.[23]”
But check out the schnauzer on Aristippus:
He could stab someone with that nose. One of his students was Theodorus the Atheist. These Cyrenic philosophers were hobnobbing with the Ptolemy dynasty so I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a spooky/genealogical connection there.
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Diogenes seems like an extremely early version of operation chaos….. Walking around with no clothes on….. masturbating in public…. spitting in people’s faces that don’t agree with him… Blah blah blah.
It’s almost like they want you hate the guy.
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Wow, an excellent find! The classical Greek philosopher who “made a virtue of poverty” was really the son of a banker involved in a currency scam? 😀
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Zarah bloodline, Phoenicians, and the redhead gene!
Sharing some readings with you. Forgive me if much was opined in the past by Gerry or yourselves.
‘Zarah of the Red Hand [Thread]. A Phoenician Story’ written by a Thomas and a Smith. Currently unavailable.
‘The True Roots And Origin Of The Scots’ at Electric Scotland.
https://electricscotland.com/history/articles/Scots%20-%20True%20Roots%20and%20History.pdf
‘The Voyage of Zarah’ by Debramarie at MMM? Just landed there today. See an additional information under Study Articles etc.
https://www.magnificatmealmovement.com/study-points/the-voyage-of-zarah/
‘The Modern Descendants of Zara-Judah’ written by a Bennet and Keyser.
https://www.hope-of-israel.org/zara.htm
2 Chronicles 20:17
‘You will not fight in this battle. Take your positions, stand, and watch the Lord deliver you, O Judah and Jerusalem. Don’t be afraid and don’t panic! Tomorrow march out toward them; the Lord is with you!’
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So, linking Zarah to Troy, the Unicorn on the British Passport is actually a Trojan horse. It may be this events management organisation THU ‘Trojan horse was a Unicorn’ https://www.trojan-unicorn.com bears more truth in their name than any unsuspecting creative could possibly think. Could this be a recruitment agency for creative workforce in fake CGI department? They are residing in Malta!
This is the winner of THU last year’s (2018) Golden Ticket Challenge; https://cdna.artstation.com/p/media_assets/images/images/000/273/906/medium/hurri_goldenticket_Final01.jpg?1530945310
You can view more of the challenge here;
https://www.artstation.com/contests/thu-2018/challenges/48/submissions
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The final ‘submission’ by a Krüger-Garcia in the Golden Ticket Challenge’s Honourable Mentions also speaks volumes.
https://cdna.artstation.com/p/media_assets/images/images/000/274/088/large/THU_Challenge_-Land_of_Wonders-_FINAL_IMAGE.jpg?1530998118
Pedro said ’… I’ve added the Phoenicians above the Roman dudes, and one of them is holding medusa’s head, referencing the famous painting by Caravaggio.’
https://www.artstation.com/contests/thu-2018/challenges/48/submissions/32080?sorting=mentions
Pedro also conspicuously added a British soldier, tellingly from WWI (for ref. see ‘The Signpost Years’—www.duckduckgo.com normally brings up more hits on such queries), into his antique setting as well as a modern child warrior pointing towards ‘the island’(?) in the background. Notice a naked (powerless) ‘monkey man’ to the right, with his back turned (ignorant) placed at the lower end of the landscape (hierarchy) as opposed to ’… I’ve added the Phoenicians ABOVE the Roman dudes …’ (emphasis’ mine). The child is on the same level as the Unicorn on top of that dome. Oh boy, is he also ‘admoni’ or ‘gingi’?
The Seventh Unicorn legend?
https://www.trojan-unicorn.com/blog/articles/poster-2019
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Good find. Looks like a spooky recruiting ground like you said.
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I couldn’t help noticing the name Dara in the Scots True Roots pdf.
Dara? As in Irish comic and BBC host for numerous shows, Dara O’Briain, aged 47 (born 02-04-1972). Dara has done some shows with the fake professor Brian Cox, the pop star NASA fan and met Stephen Hawkings’ third or fourth or fifth ‘reincarnation’ in 2015.
‘His surname is the original Irish form of O’Brien. He said, “My dad was involved in the Irish language movement and changed it. Even Irish people are now confused by it”.’ (Wiki)
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Thanks ihatestarwars. Just reading Dara was also a place in Mesopotamia (today’s Turkey) also known for Battle of Dara (Iberian War). Byzantium, Sassanid empire, Ardashir I …
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I’m not posting cos I have nothing to add but I find this all fascinating.
Keep it up guys!
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Dara does seem anointed.
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“My goodness that notion suggests a degree of centralized control that borders on the ridiculous.”
I would hold on to that thought….I don’t think it’s at all ridiculous.
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Gulp. The mind boggles but the more I think about it then the more plausible it seems. They must be moving archives around when their power-centre shifts, e.g. from Crusader-sacked Byzantium to Papal Rome or from the Levant to Phoenice aka Venice?
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I noticed Milesians (I’m still reading Scots True Roots and History), which according to wiki, were the Gaels who sail’d to Ireland from Hispania after spending hundreds of years travelling the earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milesians_%28Irish%29
True Roots states Sinn Fein is likely derived from Phoenician and Fenian…
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Strange that the Indo-European Language is always pictured as spreading out from a spot in the Ukraine and yet we know the true aristocrats spread out from the Erythraean Sea (the Lords of Scotland even celebrate the journey in their so-called Declaration of Arborath!).
The Indo-European speakers came to be dominated by a Semitic group 3000 years ago but there is no trace of this in the Indo-European language sub-groups, as far as I’m aware?
Perhaps I’m looking at this through a Phoney-made historical lens. For example, take the Gaels. Rather than the Gaels travelling from Spain to Ireland, twas the usual Phoeny merchant-banker elites with their tools of subversion and conquests who made the trip. They arrive in Ireland, and then infiltrate and subvert the already Gaelic-speaking elites.
So we might have two ancient cultural migrations. Firstly we have the slightly older Indo-European spread, which gave us the Germanic, Hellenic, Celtic etc language sub-groups. Then we layer on top of that the Phoeny takeover, spreading out from the Med 3000 years ago and taking over all the elites. That might make more sense rather than having the Phoenies inventing all the Indo-European Languages as a cover.
So in the case of Ireland they rewrite the stories and myths to hide their Punic journey as a Gaelic one? I tell you what, it certainly makes me wonder about Tolkien’s keenness to recreate a lost Anglo-Saxon mythology. Did he know fine well it had been absorbed and changed by the Phoenies?
I’m being very simplistic here. The real story seems to be non-stop interference by the Merchant-Banker elite over the centuries. For example the Norman invasion seems to be a reboot of Phoeny control, so sometimes they must simply have to reassert themselves? My goodness that notion suggests a degree of centralized control that borders on the ridiculous. So I’d back away from that myself. Nevertheless I’m sensing waves of fresh Phoeny aristocrats constantly heading out to lord over their bwain-fubbed Indo-European-Helots 😛
Perhaps the whole Indo-European story is a Phoeny construction…
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My scepticism of centralized Phoeny control refers to 1000BC, not today’s totalitarianism. Then again, perhaps I am completely naive about what the ancients were capable of in terms of centralized administration over a vast territory. I suspect I am 😛
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PS If the Phoney circumnavigation of Africa described by Herodotus is true then should we suspect elites of that Continent to be subverted aswell?
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“that notion suggests a degree of centralized control that borders on the ridiculous”
I think the spook plague spread with civilization, which made everything more centralized and thus controllable. All the epochs & places we know about were more or less controlled by them, because those were the civilized & centralized ones, with a written (fake) history. There may have been vast patches of planet less or not controlled by them, but we know little about those.
People have always migrated, with or without spook involvement, and many times for any given region. Any explanation of the kind “the people of X came from Y” is too simplistic. I’d always read it as “the spook elites came from Y”.
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Perhaps this is one of the reasons why modern spooks are associated with archaeology, i.e. to control the narrative of what is found in the ground and the meaning of what they say was dug up. Along with the fact that it is the perfect guise to move from place to place and all that.
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Perhaps I don’t need to remind people of this but Miles outed the Red Hand as a sign of spookiness in his paper on CS Lewis where he showed the sinister Red Hand of Ulster is a heraldic badge of baronets: http://mileswmathis.com/blarnia.pdf
Also worth mentioning in this regard is the Zara clothing / housewares chain. The parent company (started by the guy who founded Zara) is now the world’s largest apparel retailer. The Wikipedia entry on how the company got its name is nonsensical (now we know where it comes from).
Zara has been involved in several public controversy psy-ops, including “unwittingly” selling a bag with a swastika on it, toddler t-shirts resembling Jewish concentration camp uniforms, and most recently the Melania Trump’s infamous “I really don’t care, do you?” jacket.
The founder has a typical fake rags-to-riches story. He is currently listed as having a net-worth of $70 billion, making him the second-richest person in Europe, though of course we know these public rankings obscure the trillionaire families.
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Just for fun, I went looking for a young boy from the above picture for possible commander-in-chief or The Seventh Unicorn. Not expecting the one will ever appear anywhere publicly, of course. I narrowed my search with the following keywords; redhead, youngest, wealthiest, heir and finally boy. While there are a few young female heirs with red hair out there I wanted to get as close to the image portrayed in Pedro’s artwork as I could.
The boy below is tagged as Vincent de Rothschild on someone’s Pinterest page, but he may or may not exist or be the real person or this his picture. No other information comes up for Vincent de Rothschild anywhere on the internet! His face sure resembles the little boy from the picture 🙂
Then there’s Alexandre de Rothschild. He looks older than ‘Vincent’. But he does not appear redhead but may have the gene. Btw, he’s the 7th Generation Heir!
Barron Nicholas Hilton II
Jared Kushner. Ruddy? Maybe. Chief? Who knows.
I will rest with Hugh Richard Louis Grosvenor. The 7th Duke of Westminster! Currently the world’s wealthiest person under 30! Hmm.
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I woke up this morning, always a good sign, and thought does the surname Mussolini mean anything? A submission from Iraq says the name Mussilini means “Clothes called mosllin, original place of produce this clothes or texture a city in north of Iraq named Mosul” and is of Arabic origin.”
I looked up Mosul and found “the Jalili family was establishing itself as the undisputed master of Mosul” (wiki).
This made me think on Omid D’jalili, the Iranian comedian and actor born in Chelsea, London, to Bahá’í parents. (He was also Yusuf Amir in Grand Theft Auto 2009.) ‘Bahá’ís regard the major religions as fundamentally unified in purpose, though varied in social practices and interpretations. At the heart of Bahá’í teachings is the goal of a unified world order that ensures the prosperity of all nations, races, creeds, and classes.’ (wiki)
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Semitic משל mšl means “ruling” and “dominion”. Could be one explanation for Mussolini, Mosul, and perhaps Roman Messala. Doesn’t fit Mussolini’s N though.
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There’s apparently a (c)rapper called Mussilini – he should be tried for music crimes and violations of the English language convention.
Adam Ant (with his Ants) had a song ‘Il Duce’ about Benito. Real name Stuart Leslie Goddard, Adam has Herberts, Hills, Smiths, MacLeans, Moores, et al in his family tree:
https://ethnicelebs.com/adam-ant
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I noticed the red hand (and twin towers and lion) on County Antrim’s coat of arms:
‘Linen manufacturing was previously an important industry in the County. At the time Ireland produced a large amount of flax. Cotton-spinning by jennies was first introduced to Belfast by industrialists Robert Joy and Thomas M’Cabe in 1777; and twenty-three years later it was estimated that more than 27,000 people were employed in the industry within ten miles (16 km) of Belfast. Women were employed in the working of patterns on muslin.’ (wiki)
mus·lin (mŭz′lĭn)
n.
Any of various sturdy cotton fabrics of plain weave.
[French mousseline, from Italian mussolina, from Mussolo, Mosul, Iraq, from Arabic (al-)Mawṣil, from mawṣil, place of joining, from waṣala, to join; see wṣl in Semitic roots.]
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The red haired kid doesn’t look like a Rothschild, he looks like a model. ANd note the hair over one eye.
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Miles, indeed, he is too good looking to be one of the Rothschilds. Probably just modelling for the devil. With one eye!
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Vincent de Rothschild looks like James Acaster, while the 7th Duke of Westminster reminds me a wee bit of Michael J. Fox in that picture.
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…and perhaps Eric Stolz or Scholtz? The red-headed actor.
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Vincent does look a bit like James Acaster. I suppose James’ different hair colours in the pictures are due to the lighting.
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James Acaster definitely, Jared reminded me of Waffen SS officer, so I looked for one similar and found a Harry Kane (England & Spurs* player) lookalike instead –
*Spurs, aka Tottenham Hotspur, Jewish football club in London.
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Vincent also looks a bit like another famous crypto ginger: Prince Harry. Especially the jaw line.
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Josh, I had to bring up Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor. He’s the Seventh in the line of succession to the British throne! Hmm …
https://e3.365dm.com/19/05/2048×1152/skynews-royal-baby-close-up_4662551.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190508123556
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Star of “Memphis Belle”, quotes Yeats quite a lot in that film 😉
So I make that a professional faker quoting fakes in a fake about a massive fake event.
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‘Combining its wisdom and its powers, Unicorn is capable of infinite possibilities, and knows no boundaries. It will test you with riddles and puzzles to challenge your mind, for herein lies the illusion of your own failure. It uses illusion to offer a choice. Unicorn can be very elusive, since it is so wise and powerful. But, the main purpose of the Unicorn is to test mortals with illusion and cunning … As such a powerful being, Unicorn can transform into a symbolic representation any other creature, even humans, because it’s a master of transformation. There’s a phrase in business called the ‘Unicorn Effect’, and the symbolic meaning of this phrases is that a business rises in success so quickly, that it is as if it’s as rare and magical as a Unicorn ~ that’s just how special the Unicorn is.’
Following the Unicorn lead for a little longer I found a couple of interesting contents that I would like to share with you.
Unicorn phenomena video …
Rockeffeler’s Lucifer Trust …
https://www.lucistrust.org
‘Know your enemy ~ the anti-christ decoded’
https://rosettedelacroix.com/?p=7435
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Then there’s the etymology of the word “unicorn” and its usage in the Bible:
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The Semitic root יחד yḥd for “unique”, “unity” or “single” puns with “Jew”. The word קרן qrn for “horn” also means “financial capital”.
The Aramaic word for unicorn was יחידאי קרן yḥydˀy qrn, which could be a pun for “Jewish banker”. They may have changed it in the Hebrew Bible.
After all, “Jewish bankers” indeed are “elusive” and “know no boundaries”. They “use illusion to offer a choice”. And they “can transform into a symbolic representation” of any nation.
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File this one under All-the-Iranian-&-Silk-Road-Empires-Were-Jewish/Phoney-Owned category and also, ‘Oh I tumbled down the rabbit hole and can’t get out again’.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deioces
Do pay attention to this gif.
Notice we start off in Elam on the southern coast.
So while figuring out Deioces was an ancient spook, founding the Median Empire (Hebrew: מָדַי Madai). Assyrian sources said he was a ruler from Mannae(Biblical Minni, מנּי), which is just an older name for Armenia according to the Jewish Encyclopedia. At first we’re told their capital was at Hagmatana or Hamadan today, but further down the page for Deioces, Henry Rawlinson hints we should look at the Takht-e-Soleyman as their true capital. The Mongol Ilkhanate dynasty or the House of Hulagu also set up their capital here.
(Remember the Medians would later give rise to the Achaemenid Empire through King Astyages, of who we’re told his maternal grandson was Cyrus the Great.)
http://persepolis.info/en/sites/pasargadae/item/133-solomon%E2%80%99s-prison
To confirm Deioces was one of them:
“Probably imitating the Assyrians, Deioces held a ceremony for the first time; Herodotus states that Deioces stayed in his palace; and his connection was by sending to and receiving messages from the outside; and no one was able to contact the king directly; and the petitions and messages were performed only by the messengers; the limitation was in order to make a sense of fear and respect among the people.[13] Besides, it was forbidden to laugh or expectorate in the king’s presence.[14] Of his other actions was creating a group called “The King’s Eyes and Ears”, which consisted of people assigned to spy for the king himself; this organization and group existed until the Achaemenid era.[3][12]”
The Throne of Solomon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Takht-e_Soleym%C4%81n&oldid=899945450
The amount the mis-direction surrounding this site is immense. Googling it, the sites will rarely mention why it was named the Throne of Solomon, or Zendan-e Soleyman (Prison of Solomon) depending on which page you are on. On trying to figure out why the Arabs would re-name it the Throne of Solomon, we’re given some silly stories about the Queen of Sheba and that the Sassanids re-named it to the Throne of Solomon in order to fool of Arabs into not destroying it. Any story except a good reason why they named it after Solomon.
https://caravanistan.com/trip-reports/takht-e-soleyman/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throne_of_Solomon
“A Jewish tradition holds that the throne was removed to Babylon, then Ahasuerus sat on the throne of Solomon.[1] Another tradition holds that six steps related to six terms for the earth.[2][3] According to the Targum Sheni of Megillat Esther, Solomon’s throne was one of the earliest mechanical devises invented, with movable parts. When it was transferred to Persia some centuries later and used in the palace of Ahasuerus, it ceased to work..
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Above the throne was also a sculpted design showing seventy golden seats upon which sat the seventy members of the Sanhedrin, adjudicating in the presence of King Solomon. At the two sides of King Solomon’s ears were fixed two fish of the sea. At the very top of Solomon’s throne were fixed twenty-four golden wings that provided a protective shade and covering for the king, and whenever the king wished to ascend his throne, the bull on the first step would, by a movable, mechanical contraption, outstretch its forearm and place the king upon the second step, and so-forth, until he ascended the sixth step, upon which ascension mechanical eagles then descended and lifted-up the king, placing him upon his throne.
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A “Throne of Solomon” was also among the Solomonic objects of the Byzantine Court at Constantinople.[4][5]”
Okay. But further down the page we are given a list of various geographical locations also called the Throne of Solomon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankaracharya_Temple
Again here we’re also told it was the Muslims that renamed this hill/temple to the Throne of Solomon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulayman_Mountain
“This mountain is thought by some researchers and historians to be the famous landmark of antiquity known as the “Stone Tower”, which Claudius Ptolemy wrote about in his famous work Geography. It marked the midpoint on the ancient Silk Road, the overland trade route taken by caravans between Europe and Asia.[2]”
We’re told Claudius took this story about a Stone Tower on the Silk Road from a ‘Greek/Syrian’ traveling merchant named Maës Titianus, who’s father was named Titian. Looking up the name Titian gives us the 16th-century “Italian or Venetian” painter Tiziano Vecelli. ‘Titian’ is also a tint of red hair.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maes_Titianus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titian_hair
Hmmm that name Maës … could it be related to Maesa, like in Julia Maesa of the already outed Severan Dynasty?
Aaand now I need a shower after this latest dumpster dive through so called ‘history’
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The throne of Solomon mechanical devise (‘… THE BULL ON THE FIRST STEP WOULD, BY A MOVABLE, MECHANICAL CONTRAPTION, OUTSTRETCH ITS FOREARM AND PLACE THE KING UPON THE SECOND STEP …’) reminds me of the Moloch, Mole or Mo’lech, a bull-headed Semitic god associated with fire.
It is said the Canaanites’ worshiping of the Moloch included a child sacrifice in the fertility rituals. They identified the Moloch as Ba’al, the son of Bel and was often depicted riding or standing atop a bull. According to Diodorus the Carthaginians had a brass Moloch idol in their city WITH MOVING ARMS THAT LIFTED THE CHILDREN INTO THE FIRE. This immolation ‘passing children through the fire’ sounds like it could be another pun for initiation or inauguration.
On Wiki’s page for Baal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal the Baal is depicted with horns. But if you go further down the page they mention Beelzebub or Baʿal Zebub (Hebrew: בעל זבוב, lit. ‘Fly Lord’). On Wiki page for Baʿal Zebub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beelzebub you find this; ‘Beelzebub or Beelzebul (/biːˈɛlzɪbʌb/ bee-EL-zi-bub or /ˈbiːlzɪbʌb/ BEEL-zi-bub; Hebrew: בַּעַל זְבוּב Baʿal Zəvûv) is a name derived from a Philistine god, formerly worshipped in Ekron, and later adopted by some Abrahamic religions as a major DEMON … In theological sources, predominantly Christian, Beelzebub is sometimes another name for the DEVIL, similar to SATAN. He is known in demonology as one of THE SEVEN PRINCES OF HELL. The Dictionnaire Infernal describes Beelzebub as a being capable of flying, known as the ‘LORD OF THE FLYERS’, or the ‘LORD OF THE FLIES’.
Could this ‘flying’ actually mean moving the throne of Solomon between different places throughout the history? Arriving, conquering and then moving on to another place! The references made of the flying objects in the sky meaning the coming of the overlord?
The ‘flying’ throne of Solomon …?
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… seen in distant lands such as India arriving via Silk Road?
May be people were privy to the redhead Devil in Americas and as far as New Zealand too …
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To hide their tracks the bull symbol might have became a Unicorn at some point. The two horns becoming one when vied from a side.
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Good finds, especially the bull -> unicorn and the ‘flying’ throne connection. Yes that part about the bull on Solomon’s Throne reminded me of Baal/Moloch too. I bet the other animals represented there have some sort of hidden meaning as well, but I didn’t include the whole text in order to keep the already super long post shorter. Definitely fodder for future research.
But of course I had to do it. I had to look up Elam on Wiki, and from there ended up staring at the deep dark abyss that is Antediluvian or “Atlantean” pre-history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Elam
As we would expect on the whitewashed pages of Wikipedia, the page on Elam mis-directs mightily and makes no suggestion that Elam is named after one of the sons of Shem, the son of Noah. Elam had a daughter named Susan, which would also be the name for Elam’s capital Susiana or Susa.
“Elam (/ˈiːləm/;[1] עֵילָם ‘Êlām) in the Hebrew Bible (Genesis 10:22, Ezra 4:9;) is said to be one of the sons of Shem, the son of Noah. It is also used (as in Akkadian), for the ancient country of Elam in what is now southern Iran, whose people the Hebrews believed to be the offspring of Elam,[2] son of Shem (Genesis 10:22). This implies that the Elamites were considered Semites by the Hebrews. Their language was not one of the Semitic languages, but is considered a linguistic isolate. ”
Funny. Let’s translate those last two sentences into ‘meme’ form:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shem
Shem’s other children were Ashur (Assyria), Arpachshad (Sumeria), Lud (Lydia), and Aram (Syria). On Arpachshad’s page we’re told some Jewish sources point to his founding of Ur Kasdim (birthplace of Abraham). The Talmud says Ur Kasdim = Warka or Uruk of Sumeria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_of_the_Chaldees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruk
“Some ancient Jewish sources, particularly Jubilees, point to Arpachshad as the immediate progenitor of Ura and Kesed, who allegedly founded the city of Ur Kesdim (Ur of the Chaldees) on the west bank of the Euphrates (Jub. 9:4; 11:1-7) — the same bank where Ur, identified by Leonard Woolley in 1927 as Ur of the Chaldees, is located.[3]”
The amount of spinning on these pages is intense. We’re constantly given evidence Ur/Uruk is a Semitic/Hebrew city but then they deny it in the very next paragraph. Sumeria we’re told developed into a bilingual empire including Sumerian and East Semitic Akkadian, but I’m not chasing the Akkadian rabbit for now.
Furthermore they mention there is another “Arpaxad” on this page (but they don’t create a separate Wiki page for him?) but thousands of years later as a king of the Medes, who we’re told could be identified with Phraortes, and who was the son of that super spooky Deioces I just posted above.
Its apparent now that Iranian/Persian civilization was founded by the same crypto-rulers who also founded Sumeria, Assyria, Babylonia, Egypt, etc.
Going down this route ends us way back to the now “discredited” Generations of Noah theory that was raging in the 19th century, or that Japheth and his brothers Shem and Ham formed the three major races of the world (Semitic, Hamitic, and Japhetic).
However I will touch upon this later as this post is already too long, and the next part includes having to wade through Donnelly’s (total spook) book on Atlantis, but it might be worth it since its clear the Phoencian-Jewish connection was wide open back then:
“THE Hebrews are a branch of the great family of which that powerful commercial race, the Phœnicians, who were the merchants of the world fifteen hundred years before the time of Christ, were a part. “ – Donnelly
But he outright contradicts himself in a few chapters, which is one sign he is mis-directing us. Also the mask comes off on this one part about the Egyptians, which seems out of place with the rest of the book. But knowing he was a spook it does read like they have some sort of sore spot regarding Egypt in the distant past.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ataw/ataw403.htm
“Sanchoniathon claims that the learning of Egypt, Greece, and Judæa was derived from the Phœnicians. It would appear probable that, while other races represent the conquests or colonizations of Atlantis, the Phœnicians succeeded to their arts, sciences, and especially their commercial supremacy; and hence the close resemblances which we have found to exist between the Hebrews, a branch of the Phœnician stock, and the people of America.“
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Yeh, looks like the ancient Egyptians poked the Phoenies in the eye once upon a time.
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I posted another long comment regarding Elam, however its been caught in moderation.
However as soon as I posted that Wikipedia went down and is still down as of writing. This is right after the Internet Archive went down yesterday.
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PHilip, you have the start of a good paper here. How about it? Looks like you can expect a lot of help from this forum, and Gerry might get involved as well.
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If you do move forward with that Philip (I won’t), you might also want to look into Steven Biko. I mention it because someone on Reddit was claiming that the false memory of Mandela dying was due to people remembering Biko’s death and funeral at that time but (due to ignorance) conflating Biko with Mandela.
There seem to be two main narratives around the Mandela effect. The first that it is due to some kind of intertwining of alternative realities due to some kind of quantum fudge blah blah. The other is that it is simply an attempt to take advantage of people’s poor memories about things like Biko/Mandela, the spelling of fruit loops (now froot loops), haas avocados, etc. There may be some truth to that as well, but that is the mainstream alternative explanation that is planted and pushed to explain all such phenomena. It works on some people but not for others as they trust their memory (and rightly so). So they turn to the alternative explanation that is given to them about CERN and quantum mumbo jumbo. They don’t consider the third alternative, which is that TPTB are using their power to change the historical record to create a new reality and convince people that it has always been that way no matter what they remember, which we see so clearly with Molly. (I agree with Rolleikin that at least in some/many/all cases they planned it far in advance–which is one reason why Biko is relevant here.) That is the ‘third alternative’ that you will rarely if ever see in forum discussions about the Mandela Effect.
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I was thinking this could turn into a full fledged paper. I’ve been pretty busy though, so these short bursts is about all I can do for now.
But I’m seeing some sort of nebulous shape in my vision now. ‘Elam’ and the Generations of Noah, I think, will provide a path for us to the ‘Bronze Age’ of spookery, and possibly a real clue to ‘Atlantis’. But I also really dislike the term ‘Atlantis’, as it reads to me like a 2000+ year old mis-direction.
But I see I still have ALOT of reading ahead of me, in order to attempt to understand this time-period more. Paraphrasing from Donnelly’s book on Atlantis, the ‘Shem and Ham’ families had inter-married with each other for so long that they practically became one inter-connected clan by Roman times. Seems like a legit claim given what we’ve found so far. This might help explain the different ‘flavors’ of ancient spookery we are now finding in Persian and Egyptian history.
On page 131 Donnelly’s mask comes off:
“It was in its early days that Egypt worshipped one only God; in the later ages this simple and sublime belief was buried under the corruptions of polytheism. The greatest pyramids were built by the Fourth Dynasty, and so universal was education at that time among the people that the stones with which they were built retain to this day the writing of the workmen. The first king was Menes.
“At the epoch of Menes,” says Winchell, “the Egyptians were already a civilized and numerous people. Manetho tells us that Athotis, the son of this first king, Menes, built the palace at Memphis; that he was a physician, and left anatomical books. All these statements imply that even at this early period the Egyptians were in a high state of civilization.” (Winchell’s “Preadamites,” p. 120.) “In the time of Menes the Egyptians had long been architects, sculptors, painters, mythologists, and theologians.” Professor Richard Owen says, “Egypt is recorded to have been a civilized and
p. 132
governed community before the time of Menes. The pastoral community of a group of nomad families, as portrayed in the Pentateuch, may be admitted as an early step in civilization. But how far in advance of this stage is a nation administered by a kingly government, consisting of grades of society, with divisions of labor, of which one kind, assigned to the priesthood, was to record or chronicle the names and dynasties of the kings, the duration and chief events of their reigns!”
Aaaahhhh.. so what I’ve been reading here and elsewhere, is that the Egyptians messed with what I call now, the Monotheism Project (or the ‘Centralize the World’ project before the modern era), initiated by the ancient spook families. In other parts of the book Donnelly rages about Egyptian polytheism, and by the last chapter he can barely contain his crypto-Jewish fandom.
Definitely read this page in it’s entirety. Not sure if Gerry already covered this. I need to re-read his papers for a refresher:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizraim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menes
“According to Eusebius’ Chronicon, Manetho had suggested that the great age of antiquity of which the later Egyptians boasted had actually preceded the Flood and that they were really descended from Mizraim, who settled there anew. A similar story is related by medieval Islamic historians, such as Sibt ibn al-Jawzi, the Egyptian Ibn ‘Abd al-Hakam, and the Persians al-Tabari and Muhammad Khwandamir, stating that the pyramids, etc. had been built by the wicked races before the Deluge, but that Noah’s descendant Mizraim (Masar or Mesr) was entrusted with reoccupying the region afterward. The Islamic accounts also make Masar the son of a Bansar or Beisar and grandson of Ham, rather than a direct son of Ham, and add that he lived to the age of 700. Some scholars think it likely that Mizraim is a dual form of the word Misr meaning “land”, and was translated literally into Ancient Egyptian as Ta-Wy (the Two Lands) by early pharaohs at Thebes, who later founded the Middle Kingdom.
But according to George Syncellus, the Book of Sothis, attributed to Manetho, identified Mizraim with the legendary first Pharaoh Menes, said to have unified the Old Kingdom and built Memphis. Mizraim also seems to correspond to Misor, said in Phoenician mythology to have been father of Taautus, to whom was given Egypt, and later scholars noticed that this also recalls Menes, whose son or successor was said to be Athothis.[citation needed]”
The historians now poo poo the Book of Sothis, and the amount of spinning on these pages about Bronze Age history is off the charts. Flavius Josephus was allegedly the first to write about the Generations of Noah, and who we previously outed as an ancient spook.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_of_Noah#In_Flavius_Josephus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannus
“According to the monk Annio da Viterbo (1498), the Hellenistic Babylonian writer Berossus had mentioned 30 children born to Noah after the Deluge, including sons named Tuisto (Mannus), Prometheus, Iapetus (Japheth), Macrus, “16 titans”, Cranus (Cronus), Granaus, Oceanus, and Tipheus (Typhon). Also mentioned are daughters of Noah named Araxa “the Great”, Regina, Pandora, Crana, and Thetis. However, Annio’s manuscript is widely regarded today as having been a forgery.[58]”
I’m not sure what Granaus or Macrus stands for. I’m thinking Macrus is a mis-spelling of Marcus, or Markos. Think of outed CIA agent Markos Moulitsas of the Daily Kos. Again the current historians poo poo Viterbo, but read his Wiki page and you’ll understand why.
“The names Mannus and Tuisto/Tuisco seem to have some relation to Proto-Germanic Mannaz, “man” and Tiwaz, “Tyr, the god””
Tyr = Trier.
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You’re certainly on to quite a lot with your post! I would suggest you may like to turn some of your attention eastward, and back in time. The Throne of Solomon reminds me of nothing so much as a ziggurat. Since the throne was moved, we are told, to Babylon, I would focus there.
The ziggurat of Babylon was known as the Etemenanki (“temple of the foundation of heaven and earth”). It was six levels with a temple on top, and perhaps the model for six levels with a throne on top. In all it was estimated 300′ tall. Quite a structure for mud brick.3000+ years ago. Not to mention why.
The Etemenanki was dedicated to the Sumerian deity Marduk, the tutelary deity of Babylon. His name can be translated as “bull calf of the sun”, and the bull was his sacred animal. Remember that while Moses was busy on Mt. Sinai, the naughty Jews created a golden calf. Any connection? Also, remember that Moloch is not a proper name and just means “king”. Any possibility this is the king referred to?
The final picture you posted of the bull on the dark blue tile is from the Ishtar Gate located in Babylon. Well, it should be called the “Marduk Gate” because the inscription dedicates it to him alone, and does not even mention Ishtar. Strange misdirection, eh?
Fun note 1: Alexander the Great had planned to make Babylon his capital, and he had ordered repairs made to the Etemenanki. He died there, fulfilling a prediction made by a man named Calanus before Alexander had even planned to go to Babylon.
Fun note 2: When the US invaded Iraq in 2003, the first base they constructed was Camp Alpha located in… Babylon. Not close to–in, causing irreparable “major damage”. Were the wide open empty deserts surrounding it (and everywhere else) not good enough, or was there another reason? All these years later, the US still has tens of thousands of troops in Iraq and runs the joint from the “Green Zone”, which is five times the size of the Vatican.
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I suspect a lot of these wars in the Middle East are about destroying or hiding archaeological evidence. They can rewrite the histories to their hearts content but the real world needs real intervention. Reminds me of those teams who went around Europe, in the aftermath of World War One, collecting and destroying any documentary evidence regarding the origins of the Great War.
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SPARTAN MYTH.
Now I’m wondering if the Spartan ruling class was Phoenician. This video says their famous battle with the Persians was largely just propaganda. And the Spartans ruled over a large slave society. And their training of soldiers was not nearly as spartan as the propaganda portrayed it. The video is called “Misunderstood Moments in History – The Spartan Myth” at youtube.com/watch?v=hMQmU0epVr4
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It’s indirect, but I wanted to drop in a connection through the city of Taranto in Italy. Uncle Owen links to it from Brendan Tarrant it his Christchurch 3 paper, where he states that it was a Phoenician colony (of which I can find no substantiation whatsoever). The mainstream holds that it was founded by Sparta but Uncle Owen completely dismisses this claim and, really, the importance of the city. I think it all deserves a closer look.
Across the Tasman Sea from Christchurch is Port Arthur, site of another famous fake shooting and thus subject of another Mathis paper. What caught my attention is that in that paper he mentions the suspicious character Mr. Bryan Walpol, which brought up Horace Walpole and his work “The Castle of Otranto”.(1764) The city of Taranto is only about 70 miles from that castle. What are the odds of all this being chance?
Taranto was very prominent indeed in the ancient world. The fact that no one ever talks about that city raises a red flag. Wiki states it was founded in 706BC and that by 500BC “the city was one of the largest in the world with population estimates up to 300,000 people.” The Ancient History Encyclopedia page on Tarentum tells us that “the city would prosper and become one of the most important commercial centres in the region.” How many people have even heard of this place before?
But is there a link to the Phoenicians? Ancient.eu comes through again with the combo. First the jab: “Tarentum, like most of the southern Italian cities, sided with Carthage….” Carthage is conventionally accepted to have been founded by Dido of Tyre. Then comes the right cross: “The city still produced products for export such as wool, textiles, Tyrian purple dye, ….” I think you’ll agree that’s a KO!
But back to it’s founding. I think the best place to read up on it is the Wiki page for “Partheniae”. Everybody’s got a different story on who these people were but it’s all variations on misfits and outcasts. I think this is one of the disinfo patterns where you can pick any narrative they give you because they’re all false.
My guess is that these stories were circulated to keep everyone’s attention off Taranto while the Spartans (Phoenicians) set up a new trading hub. Just look on a map, where Taranto is protected at the back of the Gulf of Taranto, and Otranto controls the Strait of Otranto and access to the Adriatic.
Finally, there’s a certain link through mythology but I think that’s for another day.
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link .
Now hold on there just a wee minute because that sounds just like something the Phoenies would do…
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Nada you have something there.
“— think, “The Thing”.
So instead of calling them ‘They’, maybe we should name the collective, which is a thing, The thing which is the collective aristocratic, royal, banking, mercantile folks. They’ve had so many other names over the years, I think they could do with a change.
It is the thing which controls us – the thing which owns us. Even living off-grid, at the end of the day, ‘there is no escape!’.
Mr White: “The first thing you should know about us is that.we have people everywhere.”
Then there’s John Wick 2. I can’t wait to see how he gets out of that one.
I know the point is over-exaggerated but I believe it is a valid.
From day to day, they just use anti-virus software to scan every file on your computer to make sure you are not conspiring to topple the New World Order. In poop vs fan scenarios, it’s probably a whole different story.
Look how quickly a group of friends can be called to action with weapons, to attack an individual say, a local drug dealer who supplied a child of one of the friends. So scale that up a million times to protection of those at the top. The mind boggleth!
They are already talking up mobile/cell phone anti-virus. Get those phones scanned…see what people are plotting.
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I think you’re spot about the anti-virus software. I stopped using those programs because they always bogged down my computer system. But on reflection, hell yeh they were scanning my computer. Point of information: now we can guess who created the f**king viruses in the first place! Same old MO — create a problem as an excuse to implement your nefarious goals.
Yes, “The Thing” metaphor does grow on you 😉 They try to isolate you and then takeover; they work together to create distrust and paranoia; they gaslight you to self-destruction. So with regards to nation after nation, they absorb the elites and then they have a new sandbox to play with.
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PS And the anti-virus metaphor is apt for what they do to our minds with their mind-fubbing techniques. Firstly, “anti-virus” is probably an Orwellian term and what we’re actually doing is voluntarily installing bloated virus-suites onto our computers. Jeebus. Similarly the behaviours, attitudes and knowledge that their priests rub into our young minds — fake history, warped morality, skewed judgement etc — are damned lies that turn us into confused,compliant zombies.
Apt that Dawkins came up with the word “meme” — a thingish thing to do, to create a word so closely related to the spread of ideas. When I first stumbled across the word it annoyed me intensely. I remember arguing with people that it is just another term for “a good idea”; a sexing up, if you will, of a bit of common-sense. It seemed like sophistry to me.
Now the term looks loaded with nasty subtext: a meme is a bad idea wrapped in a good idea, or at least that is what I think Dawkins was smirking to himself when he coined the word. Hate the word intensely. I know it is part of the lexicon and has a perfectly reasonable use in everyday conversation…but I just hate the fubbing thing 🙂
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“…a meme is a bad idea wrapped in a good idea…”
Are you a carpenter dude, because you keep hitting nails squarely on the head there.
Please don’t start dissing Dawkins you lot, not until I’ve read his books.
I’ve got all on handling Malcolm Gladwell’s books. Every person he talks about has a Jewish name, and I mean 100% kosher like Rosenberg. I have to ignore this as the people he talks about just happen to be the ones who have done the research and have the knowledge. Privileged maybe but knowledgeable.
Fascinating reading by the way, if anyone is interested. I have Blink, Tipping Point and David & Goliath, and need more but short of cash right now. My daughter has around 6 or 7 Dawkins books, which I’m hoping she’ll lend me.
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Read Ishmael instead. Dawkins is an absolute joke, you’d have more fun reading Hawking because at least then you could laugh the entire time. But Daniel Quinn’s “Ishmael” books (three of them) are just devastating and VERY in line with everything we’ve been discussing here. The only hedge would be laying blame upon exactly who deserves it, historically, but it’s also not the scope of the books and one wouldn’t expect a gorilla to care about the genealogies anyway. To a gorilla, all of (modern) humanity is to blame.
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Per dictionary.com on the word meme:
noun
Thinking about it, they’ve been using ‘memes’ for centuries.
IMHO it’s one of the “tools” in the governors playbox and I don’t think they like that it has gotten away from them. I remember the day my go-to site for memes (giphy) was taken over and scrubbed clean of anything offensive to the spooks, or interesting. And if I also remember correctly Mexico tried to pass an ‘anti-meme’ law some time ago:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/anti-meme-law-mexico-insulting-images-veracruz-a8567041.html
Now it hosts .gifs about Trump in the news, the latest Bachelorette episode, and of course CIA darling Taylor Swift’s latest music video, or whoever victim they are fronting this week. It’s homepage is the same as the CNN, Fox, or any MSM outlet.
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A couple of quick points.
First, I’ve never read the book but you may want to be on the lookout for landmines in Daniel Quinn’s “Ishmael”. From Wiki: “The novel was awarded the $500,000 Turner Tomorrow Fellowship Award in 1991, a year before its formal publication.” Wow, okay, happens every day.. And the “Turner” of this payoff–sorry–award is Ted Turner, the arch globalist who said in 1996: “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” What a prince.
Second, As regards the definition of “meme”, the second definition came along decades after the first. I was quite surprised when I found out a few years ago that it applied to trivial Internet graphics. If you check Google Books Ngram Viewer, they claim the word appeared about as frequently in 1800 as it does now. Yeah, I’d say that’s a coverup.
So what’s the big problem? They decided they’d made a mistake when their toady Dawkins used the idea to sell some BS related to their Evolution fraud. (Miles should blow that one up someday.) Instead, it dawned on a few sharp cookies that what it really meant was that ideas could infect your mind like a virus. And who is spitting snot full of these mind-viruses at us at all hours of the day and night? The media, Hollywood, and all other “popular culture” which they control. Can’t let the slaves put two and two together, now can we? Better that they believe they’re all informed, independent, rational thinkers.
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A few quick points to answer, but please, Matt, take no rancor here. This is polemics, and what you just did was a Straw Man, essentially. “I’ve never read the book (material), but…” And I get this pretty much every time I mention it, and by all means, good looking out.
But you’ve never read anything like “Ishmael”, nor had anyone else ever until Quinn popped it out. It’s not a religion, just a blatant assessment of OUR story, how people came to be this way, as viewed through the AUTHOR’s conception of how a GORILLA might view us. Nobody takes us through history the way Quinn and Ishmael himself do. Even the genealogical research done by our pals Miles and Gerry and Philip and Josh and the others here would severely benefit from Ishy’s story. It’s a STORY, and not intended to be anything other than a research of OUR story, how humanity got here and why. And it’s damning stuff, in exactly the same vein as all the work done by our folks here.
I have read it all. Quinn as an author might be a spook or might not, but unless you read the quick stories (the books are very short) you’re really doing yourself a disservice – either in agreement with me or not. I’d gladly send anyone here a copy of the first book to TEST this.
I don’t give a fuck about Ted Turner. Also, in contrast, I DO give a fuck about making you feel like I’m pushing you against a wall on this. I’m not. I honestly and fervently believe (spin or none) that everyone should read Ishmael – in the same way I believe everyone intelligent should be reading Miles and Josh and Vex and the rest. This is where the GOOD STUFF is. I’ve not found it in many other places, but I’ll continue to recommend these people because they are the strongest and most intelligent.
In the same way, I’ll continue to recommend “God Emperor of Dune” to any goddamn person because no matter how weird or spoopy Dune might seem to an outsider, if one hasn’t read God Emperor then one really has no business pretending to analyze politics or leadership of humanity or anything like that. It’s effectively the definitive work on the topic, fiction or no.
Why? Because let’s pretend ALL of us came together and found REAL answers to the biggest, worst problems ailing humanity. Let’s posit for a moment that it would even be possible to find those answers. Well that’s what the fucking God Emperor does, in the story. He represents THAT guy. The one who know what to fucking DO about it all. And then he does it, in the story, and it takes 3,000 years but that’s what he does. Nobody really like it or likes him (much of the book is about assassination attempts, even) but he saves the fucking people anyway. Not just HIS people but all people everywhere, ever. That’s what being God Emperor is, after all.
It’s an allegory, a story. Just like Ishmael is. We can ignore it and pretend they were never written or we can digest it and glean allllll the goodies and discard any spin, any deflections. There really aren’t many, in either work, if any at all. They are beautiful. They are powerful.
And most importantly, given the topic of this particular blog page on “A Brief History of Spookery”, no two works could I ever consider more intelligent and informative. Give Ishy a shot. I honestly believe everyone here would love it, and give us a great deal of material to go over and analyze – and even some real fucking answers on how to proceed.
The only author I’d recommend before Quinn would be Miles, and his guest-writers and Josh and company. But even then it’s a hard choice. Quinn prepared my mind to receive these things, just as those guys had their own muses to prepare theirs. It’s a journey, you know?
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To be clear there, I care nothing for Ted Turner or his input on Ishmael. If anything, his input was generated to blackwash Ishy. Quinn makes a powerful and damning case for Natural Law regarding people, but at no point does he ever opine that people need to die wholesale or otherwise to achieve Natural Law. Just knowing it exists and comparing humans to every other species is enough to teach us how to proceed on that one, and fuck Ted Turner anyway. I agree, that guy is a total douchebag.
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Jared, I really do admire the strength of your conviction, a characteristic but few have these days. If nothing else, the length and detail of your post shows that you have thought much on this subject.
I read over the “Plot summary” on the Ishmael Wiki page, and whether that summary was accurate or not and whether my judgement is fair or not, I found what I expected to find. Nothing about that, of course, detracts from anything you may have gleaned from the work.
To be short, blame and necessity for change is directed toward the Taker civilization, correct? That would include you and me and everyone we know. But as the work of Miles and Gerry and the others have shown in exhausting detail, you and me and everyone we know have had virtually no part in directing our civilization. That is, it was handed down to us by the Elites since, well, probably the inception of civilization. How many are even aware of this at any level? And how do the Elite, the culture creators, figure into Ishmael’s analysis? They do not, which would tend to render the overall argument unsound.
Are we guilty of some kind of “original sin” as the novel suggests? Indeed so, in my opinion, but not as Ishmael suggests. Where we went wrong was in ever going along with the program of those creating the Taker civilization, the Elites who never seem to take a day off from influencing our behavior. Going along is sure easier and is the “smart” thing to do. To quote Detective Jimmy McNulty, “Everybody gets paid, everybody stays friends, and everybody has a future.” You also get a historical horror show stretching the limits of imagination. But it’s all laid at our feet? When did you last see a riot break out among protesters demanding war?
Does the novel alert us to this state of affairs? Not so far as I can tell. Rather, it suggests you and me and everyone we know have sinned, and we must repent and change our ways. And what effect will this have on the imperatives of the Elites, who brought this state of the world into manifestation? Well, none, I would guess.
But I’m a thousand percent with on you Natural Law. I cannot recommend highly enough the work of Mark Passio on this precise subject. And he lays it out directly and crisply, like a slap to the face.
Everyone, stop going along with your programming! Exercise your free will and moral sense! You (yes, you) need to educate yourself about Natural Law and start behaving accordingly. Yeah, it’s gonna cost you, but tell these Elite dickheads to take a hike. A paradise on this very Earth awaits. And that ain’t no bullshit, neither.
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I “feel ya” and respect your questions in the spirit they’re given, Matt. It would actually just be easier if you read the three short books though, instead of third-party (spooky) synopses, since they answer all of your questions but one.
Matt said: “To be short, blame and necessity for change is directed toward the Taker civilization, correct? That would include you and me and everyone we know.”
Yes, Quinn places blame on our monoculture, Totalitarian Agriculture. But he (or rather, Ishmael himself) ALSO claims that our culture was formed initially by evil, greedy, selfish, lazy men who had no compassion for anyone else or anything. Given the timelines of publication, it’s not likely that Quinn COULD have known what Miles and co. have given us. Not to say Quinn couldn’t have learned or researched that on his own, but rather that’s not the scope of the books. He’s not trying to hide the perpetrators, he’s saying “this is how things came to be this way, as far as I can tell”, but saying it through the mind of a gorilla as best HE can ascertain how a sentient, thought-sharing gorilla might feel and think.
Matt said: “Are we guilty of some kind of “original sin” as the novel suggests? Indeed so, in my opinion, but not as Ishmael suggests.”
Ishmael never suggests such a thing. Any mention of “original sin” at all is used as an allegory, such as with Cain and Abel. A metaphor for the Taker culture (ours) meeting the Leaver cultures (everyone else on Earth). Quinn never suggest that anyone “sinned”, at all. What he does suggest is that it could be considered evil to break Natural Law, to put humans above all other creatures and above the health of the planet itself. And that’s what our “Taker” culture has done. The story of our culture claims that the world is here for OUR usage, that we are elevated above all other creatures by divine right.
Quinn is definitively against this concept, which is why he wrote the books at all.
“Does the novel alert us to this state of affairs? Not so far as I can tell. Rather, it suggests you and me and everyone we know have sinned, and we must repent and change our ways. And what effect will this have on the imperatives of the Elites, who brought this state of the world into manifestation? Well, none, I would guess.”
Well “so far as” you “can tell” wouldn’t be very far, since you’re relying on a terrible synopsis instead of the actual material. Take no rancor – but it’s a blatant straw man, mostly on the part of the synopsis you read. It appears whoever wrote THAT is attempting to blackwash Quinn (and Ishy), not actually report on the literature itself. Almost to the point that whoever wrote that probably didn’t read the books either.
Again, Quinn or Ishy say nothing of the sort. Especially not to “repent”.
If I am harsh here please don’t take it personally, as my ire would be directed at the spooks who wrote that synopsis, not you yourself. They lied to you about the story, in essence. They perverted it for whatever reason – mostly to hide Ishmael’s very benign, peaceful nature and his desire to help change things. That’s the real theme behind the novels, not any “sin” or “repentance”. It’s not as damning as the genealogies and stuff we’re working from here, by any stretch, but it’s GOOD stuff. Everyone should read it. Nobody should rely on a Langley synopsis. There’s no spin in the novels that I could detect, just an honest impression of what MIGHT have happened to bring us to this sad state of affairs today, and suggestions on how to change that.
And no, Ishy doesn’t suggest reverting to tribalism or anything of the sort. Those ways worked for those people at those times, naturally. They likely could not now, no matter what. He’s not suggesting ditching technology, living in caves, or anything of the sort, but much like Miles does Ishy is urging us to THINK about things different and hopefully find a better way. The gorilla is really quite a character and the dialogue is excellent. There are many similarities to Miles’ writings as well, in tone and demeanor. Ishy even gets upset and impatient at times, with his students, but is never cruel or insulting to them – rather, prodding them to think harder, to do better.
I mean we can continue debating this topic and that’s fine, but at some point we would have spent more time debating it than it would take you to just read it. And of course that’s up to you. If you never do, that’s your business and I feel nothing either way on that. It’s just a really good story and I found it ultimately helpful in my own life.
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Zee original attempt to post this failed…
The “flies” in question are the non-Roman elites…
This sounds a wee bit like the Phoeny method of assimilation, although the Phoenies always seem to eventually replace the local elties completely — think, “The Thing” 😉
https://news.umich.edu/the-art-of-the-roman-deal/
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Flies, eh?
These court historians are so cute.” Instead, Terrenato thinks that elite Roman landowners and politicians offered positions of political power to non-Roman nobles in order to woo them into their empire. A wealth of recently digitized inscriptions shows local aristocrats surviving the conquest unscathed. Some of these aristocrats even thrived as politicians in Rome.”
Said every single page I read on Roman history. Thought of course they don’t present it that way to the public or in the official histories. It all has to bend to the ‘narrative’, but they do it admit here and there in small sections, or on ‘side’ pages related to the page you are on, or if you are politically astute enough. “Oh and the Romans bought everyone out. The end”.
But it seems like they are responding to us more and more. Honestly ‘official’ history in Western culture is a complete joke anymore, and seriously, what the hell does being a historian even mean anymore?
If I were these jokers in the universities I would be searching for some credibility really, really, really fast before it all vaporizes soon. They are either dupes or spooks anymore.
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That’s what I thought when I read the piece, especially the talk of elite families being absorbed into Rome’s Empire. I asked myself are these guys now changing the narrative because of the work of Miles et al on the Ancient Spooks?
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RE: all the Mandela Effect discussion:
I have been tracking my own personal “memory discrepancies” since long before the so called Mandela Effect became a meme.
For what it’s worth I remember seeing the braces on Dolly (Moonraker) long ago, and now my old DVD edition has no braces, since I went back and checked it last week
However I do find it tedious to see it assumed that all perceived historical changes have a single cause or explanation. There may be more than one thing going on. Just as there are both real and faked crop circles, there also appears to be more than one kind of UFO event. Jacques Vallee in his book Revelations, Alien Contact and Human Deception, demonstrates that some but not all so called UFO incidents are of human origin. So I am willing to accept the possibility that human agencies are playing word games to muddle beliefs around the memory discrepancies, while something else may be going on as well. Is it possible that there is a real Effect, and that the word games are an attempt to muddle the evidence?
Many years ago (around 2005) I went back to a temporary employment agency to reactivate my account to see if I could get around two weeks of work. I was handed a giant wad of paperwork, while they told me my computer record had been erased. I left with the papers and did not return until one month had passed. When I went back, there was a construction company in that office space and complex changes had been made to the office space with the movement of walls and rooms. The secretary there told me the Temp agency had moved out two years before, and that the changes had been made at that time. I relocated the temp agency and they also told me that they had moved to their new strip mall location two years earlier. I was left with a puzzler. Only I remembered the temp agency location of one month earlier and I was left with no evidence except for my own memories to show that something had changed.
I had also tracked changes in my memories of a certain science fiction book by Walt & Leigh Richmond, The Lost Millennium. (1967, 1977, 1979 somewhere in storage I also have an even earlier dated Ace doublet version.) For a while I thought it was just a matter of various editions but the changes also related to a quote regarding the Great Flood from the Book of Genesis. The bit of text changed also related to vast changes in the map of the Southern Hemisphere of Earth… South America seems to have displaced two time zones toward the east.
I also remember a bicycle touring vacation I took to New Zealand in 1985, which involved a lot of looking at maps, and it does seem to me that a certain volcano has shifted around one hundred miles in location, as well as the straights between the North and South islands. Mt Egmont, now apparently Mt Taranaki, in my memory was quite close to Wellington, which concerned me as a risk involved in taking a possible job offer there, so I clearly remember that volcano being much closer to Wellington. As well I remember the channel between the islands being an East/West passage while now it is more of a North/South passage. To repeat myself: This was a bicycle tour I was taking with some job hunting thrown in, so I had done a lot of looking at maps in 1985 and much that I clearly remember is now vastly altered.
Odd then that the changes in the text of The Lost Millennium described a mechanism by which the entire layout of the globe may have been altered at the time of the Great Flood.
I actually don’t really care much about all the spelling changes. A Jewish friend pointed out that Old Testament text changes that I noticed in the King James Version had not affected the Hebrew text. She and I have discussed this extensively as she and her brother have also noted personal events changing in their own lives. We both seem to remember Roy Clark dying at two different dates separated by at least two years.
I wrote to Miles Mathis about all this following his first paper on the Mandela Effect, but I do not recall him responding to my strange tale at that time. Those letters appear to have vanished from my Sent folder.
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You know, Alan, I have a very similar situation with cartography, myself. I’ve come to just assume that my memory of maps and layouts of places I’ve never been just isn’t that good. Obviously the landscape does NOT change that fast, but if I were to try to draw, say, a map of Europe or of Greece it would be just WRONG. Local environs, no problem. But even if I tried to draw a map of New England or something I’d get it soooo wrong, despite studying maps my entire life. I’ve spent a great deal of time “in Greece” lately (playing Odyssey on my computer) and the real map is nothing like the salt clay map I remembered making in school, despite me even USING a real map then. It’s the memories that are flawed in my case, not my salt clay map or the actual landscape in Odyssey.
But sometimes it FEELS like the maps have changed, you know? Or the world has. Or whatever, but I know that geography doesn’t really work that way and it’s just an area I really struggle with, personally. This isn’t an assessment of YOUR interactions or memories at all, just saying I know the feeling you shared! And it makes one feel weird, to say the least. I can remember all kinds of other shit, often perfectly, but cartography simply isn’t a talent in my toolbag.
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I do have a really good memory, although not perfect. The location of Mt Egmont really stuck in my mind though, after that vacation. I had a job offer in Wellington from Digital New Zealand (DEC) and one of the deciding factors was just how close it was (around 10 miles) to the volcano, in a group of mountains along the west coast. Now on maps it is miles inland at the center of a plain, around another 100 miles north-northwest. I really remember territory I have ridden a bicycle over. No old maps agree with my memory of it and I have no decent explanation other than that my memories are of an entirely different planet.
In the (fictional) book The Lost Millennium, travelers from a destroyed Atlantis arrived home after a 500 year interstellar voyage, and used superconductors in orbit to change the rotational speed of the Earth for 40 days (150 rotations) causing the flood. In the story this was done to reduce radiation after a disaster. Possibly some change to this method could have torqued the southern hemisphere many degrees. If so I still have no explanation why my memories from 1985 would be from another world or timeline.
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Something is faulty with your memory here Alan. Mt. Taranakai (Egmont) is on the west coast, near the sea. There is no way Wellington has shifted 100 miles south east in 30 years. If you are trying to promote the ‘another world or timeline’ angle, I’m not buying it.
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I do not believe that Mt Egmont shifted position recently, all the maps now in existence make that clear. It is not right on the coast now, but there appears to be 12 or more miles of sedate farm land between the mountain and the coast, unlike the terrain just northwest of Wellington where in my memory of 1985 the mountain was right on the coast. I do not dispute the current geography. I am simply recounting a “Mandela Effect” of which the only evidence is my memory. Disputing the current maps is pointless as you and I both have current maps available online and I suppose they agree.
The possible explanations for this are for now, for me, inadequate, since I have nothing I can prove except that I do have a decent memory which is proven over and over to those who know me well. Maybe there is technology that can alter people’s memories (handy for changing accounts of history). Personally I think there may be time travelers altering the past. I also think spooks are trying to confuse the issue with faked alterations, for some unknown (to me) reason. Perhaps the world I remember was destroyed and my memories were transferred here? Frankly, I just do not know, but I have seen what I have seen and I cannot buy the explanation that every report is just fakery or delusion. You did not see what I saw so I cannot expect you to agree with me. Go ahead and doubt the reality of my report, that is your right.
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No, it’s literally just your memory. It doesn’t matter how many people of whatever caliber say it’s been good. As I evidenced in my first response, cartography is a weird one even for intelligent folk.
There are no time travelers and there is no “Mandela Effect”. It’s the subjective nature of memory itself. Do you remember every pedal stroke on that bike ride? No, you don’t. Our memories reconstruct what the mind thinks it needs WHEN it needs it, and they are absolutely subjective about things like this.
Memories like this aren’t required for answers in the same way that rote, calculative memories are. And thus they are far more prone to subjective, subconscious editing. It’s part of the way our minds “store” things. You might be able to get more of it back using some chemicals or other, but at a price that those chemicals introduce and is most often not worth the exchange. But I am not remotely saying you should TRY.
It’s okay to admit we’re fallible. It’s also the honest answer.
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In response to Alan Ackley:
“No, it’s literally just your memory.”
I cannot disagree that that is how it at first appears. I started looking into what I at first called “memory glitches” back in the 1990’s regarding the book (and other incidents) and hunting down multiple copies of that one book. Then the up close incident with the relocated temp employment agency forced me to reconsider. Only then did I realize that the problem was not just inaccurate or altered memory.
None of you saw what I saw so I cannot expect to convert anyone to my point of view, and I intend to quite soon (or even now) allow this topic to drop. My intent here is just to plant the seed of the idea so that if one or more of you eventually have the type of experiences as I have, then you will begin to understand.
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i found something interesting about how Earth changed from spherical to ellipsoïde :
“The earliest indications that the Earth as a whole is slightly ellipsoidal are both empirical and theoretical in nature. Thus, Jean-Dominique Cassini had observed in 1666 that Jupiter was strongly flattened. This discovery was also made in England by John Flamsteed (flam steed ?).
The flattening involved is about 1/15. It was tempting to put this fact in relation to Jupiter’s rapid rotation on himself in just under 10 hours. It was the same for Saturn.
By analogy, it was natural to think that the Earth itself was somewhat flattened (it was natural to think… is this a scientific way to prove a theory ?)
On the other hand, the observation of Jean Richer showing that the length of the clock that beat the second was greater in Paris than Cayenne was known to Newton and Huyghens, and aroused their reflection.”
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“It should be noted that the idea of a flattened Earth was in complete rupture with the traditional philosophical ideas inherited from the Ancients. Indeed, according to authors such as Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, Ptolemy and their followers, the Earth must necessarily be a sphere, since the Earth erected in cosmic divinity had to be perfect, and that the sphere is the “perfect” solid body par excellence.”
it’s funny to notice that the first experience to prove that earth was not spherical was made in cayenne…
Cayenne is 60 kilometres far from Kourou, and kourou is the Guiana Space Centre from where Ariane was launched…
As Ariane is a rocket that costed a lot to french taxpayers, we can ask why Ariane and spherical earth model are both born in that place…
if earth is not ellipsoïdal, but spherical, the maps can hide one ring of sea and land, …
One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them in the Land of Mordor where (even) the Shadows lie… 🙂
the french wiki about ellipsoïdal model is much more detailed than the english wiki, i cannot translate here, but as Newton was also involved, it could be a beautiful fake…
note that this theory appears in 1666… a great numerology…
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An oblated spheroid is not an ellipsoid. I’m sorry but this assessment is flawed from the first sentence.
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https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modèle_ellipsoïdal_de_la_Terre
and sorry not to be fluent in your language
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_ellipsoid
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A note on your Moonraker DVD experience: We all think the Mandela Effect (or Psyop) began a couple of years ago. But what if the operation goes back many, many years? Suppose the DVD was modified back when that edition was produced. Now run through the thought experiment.
We all saw the film in 1979 and we all noticed Dolly’s prominent braces and understood that as a charming detail of why Jaws was attracted to her. Then some of us watched the DVD many years later. Can any of us say we took special note of her braces at that time? Why would we, since we “knew” they were there? Quite possibly our minds even did some “filling in”, as they do with many things.
But what if some “fresh” viewer only ever watched the DVD? Well, Dolly is a hot chick, so why wouldn’t Jaws be into her? And how could you possibly notice some missing detail that you never knew existed? What are the chances a friend who had seen the original would mention detail that to you beforehand? Zero.
Diabolical, I say.
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While doing the above research I came across this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David's_Mighty_Warriors
David’s Mighty Warriors (also known as David’s Mighty Men or the Gibborim; Hebrew: הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים ha-Gibbōrîm) are a group of 37 men in the Hebrew Bible who fought with King David and are identified in 2 Samuel 23:8–38, part of the “supplementary information” added to the Second Book of Samuel in its final four chapters. The International Standard Version calls them “David’s special forces”.
Then it goes on about this ‘Three of the Thirty’, and some crazy non-sense about stealing water from Philistines and killing Egyptians:
“The text also contains a narrative passage about “three of The Thirty”. It is unclear from the text whether this refers to The Three, hence implying that The Three were a special group within The Thirty, or whether it refers to another group of three individuals. The narrative, which recounts a single exploit, ends with “such were the exploits of the three mighty men”, and textual scholars believe that the narrative may be an extract from a larger group of tales concerning these three. The flowing narrative differs in style from the more abrupt introductions to individual members of The Three and The Thirty that surround it, and textual scholars believe that it may originally have been from a different document.[26][page needed]
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An additional account, continuing on from the description of The Three, which was interrupted by the narrative concerning David’s thirst, describes Abishai, the brother of Joab. According to the text, he killed 300 men with a spear, and so became famous among The Thirty, though not as famous and respected as The Three. The text states that despite the fame and respect he was not included among The Three, suggesting that being a part of The Three is not just a group of famous people, but something which an individual could in some way gain membership, with criteria that involved more than fame and honour. “
I will take this as the reason they plant 3’s and 33’s everywhere. It’s their ‘we are here’ marker.
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I believe the “33” reference comes from a much older source. The “MUL.APIN” is a Sumerian astronomy text dated to about 1000BC. But that date is for the written text itself, so who is to say how much older the ideas are? Wiki tells us they split the sky into 3 divisions, one of them “the northern path of Enlil containing 33 stars or constellations”. And though it may seem this is just some superstitious ancient nonsense from a culture long turned to dust, we should note that that we have 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, 24 hours in a day, 360 degrees in a circle, etc. thanks to the Sumerians. They cast a very long shadow indeed.
As to the main subject, I had never before heard of “David’s Mighty Warriors”, so thanks for bringing them up! Buckle up for some insanity….
Very long story somewhat shortened, I believe very strongly that they were giants. Yes, like giant humans. (But then again, maybe not fully humans.) They’re sprinkled through a lot of the Old Testament, and research on them is pretty easy to find. The Three were almost certainly simply particularly big ones, perhaps because of a higher non-human genetic component.
We first find mention of giants very early on, in Genesis 6:4, as the “Nephilim”. They are said to be the offspring of human women and the “bene Elohim”, or the “sons of God”. Or is that the “sons of the gods”? Or is that the “sons of whoever the Elohim were”?
I find the very word “Nephilim” telling in itself. Most modern translations punt the ball and leave it untranslated, but the KJV and some others give it to you straight: “giants”. And these Nephilim are themselves, as you’ll see in the same verse, described as “haGibborim” or “mighty men”.
Further, the etymology is quite intriguing. I would say that “Nephilim” could fairly be translated as “The Fallen”. Also, the word “giant” itself comes from the Greek “gigantes”, which means “earth-born”. Whoa, wait–isn’t everyone and everything supposed to have been born on Earth?
Putting it all together, I always mentally translate “Nephilim” as “The Fallen” (Transformers, anyone?), and believe that they were a race of giant humanoids who had fallen physically (bound now to earth but from a parent race of space-farers), fallen genetically (from pure whatever-they-were), and fallen culturally (like we would think of someone as “sub-human”). These genetics were passed on, including some level of giant stature, through various groups and into David’s Mighty Warriors. In re-reading that with this new context, we can see that giants were rare but remarkable only for the deeds their size allowed but not for their size itself.
Final note: According to the OT, the remnants of these giants (“Rephaim”) became concentrated in the land of Canaan. That is to say, Phoenicia.
Crazy as it is, hope this helps your research!
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This video here presents a nice overview of Nephilim story:
Basically the “ben Elohim” as “sons of God(s)” are indicative of the polytheistic origins of Canaanite religions. They correspond to the gods of neigbouring nations, while Yahwe is either just one of them or identical to the supreme god. The “Nephilim” correspond to demigods as they were common among other mythologies in that region. This polytheistic diction was later changed to fit monotheisim. But these vestigal remnants are still there.
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The Nephilim are mentioned in the Book of Enoch (Hanokh in Hebrew), I have the pdf version with notes by Andy McCracken who wrote: ‘Enoch left us a book that describes people of an advanced culture; blond-haired people that Enoch’s people considered to be Angels of God, and it was written on the angels’ instruction.’
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Here’s something that I posted before.
In the first place, the Book of Genesis is purloined and plagiarized by
the rabbis and priests from the previously existing religious texts of
Mesopotamia and Egypt. The Creation of the World by the word of God,
was attested by the Egyptians in such writings of around 2000 BC in the
The Memphite Theology of Creation, which was certainly available to
the rabbis. The Story of Noah and the Flood and the Ark with all the
animals in it, was common in Sumeria and Babylonia as early as 2600 BC,
at least a millennium before there were any Jews to steal the story and
put their own names on it. All the rabbis did was change the Sumerian
names to Hebrew names and then destroy every Sumerian copy that
they could find. It is a standard of Judaism to destroy the places of
worship as well as the writings of all other religions so that the lies
of the rabbis are all that the People have left.
Archaeology proves that there was no great king named David and
certainly there was no Solomon. If either of these mythological characters
had been great kings, then the literature that has been excavated from the
kingdoms surrounding Israel and Judah would certainly mention them.
But out of the entire Middle East, whether inside or outside of ancient
Israel and Judah, whether in any language other than Hebrew or not,
there is absolutely zero mention of either David or Solomon. The one
exception is found on what is called the Tell Dan inscription where the
single word “House of David” is used by king Hazael of Damascus bragging
that he killed the king of Israel and the son of the king of Judah in battle
and to indicate the dynasty of one of those Hebrew kings by the
dynastic name, “House of David.”
But if archaeology proves that if there was ever a king David, he could
only have been little more than a goat-rustler in the vicinity of Judah
because Judah had always been a backward, poor and rocky abode of
sheep rustlers and assorted gangsters. It was never a rich or famous
place except in the imagination of the rabbis who directly profited from
the taxes and barbequed goats due at the Temple for the “sin” of breaking
the Laws of the priests.
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Even the mythical Solomon, who has absolutely zero history in any place
other than in the lies of the Old Testament, could never have been the rich
and powerful king that the rabbis claim that he was. If he had been so f
fabulously rich and wise as the rabbis claim, then he would certainly
have been on first name terms with the other kings of that time. But there
is zero mention of him anywhere, nor of his alleged trade partner
king Hiram of Lebanon. Solomon’s mines, his stables of horses, his great
building projects are proven by archaeology to have been built by other
peoples and at other times than by whom and when the lying rabbis claim.
And Solomon’s reputed “wisdom” is found in the wisdom literature of Egypt
and Babylonia. All that the rabbis did was steal it from the libraries of
those ancient empires and put their own name on it. And who would know,
since the only available copies of those wise sayings was in the Old
Testament — that is, until archaeologists dug up the original archives
in the buried cities and translated them.
As for the various “mighty kings of Israel and Judah” these were mainly
small town hicks and petty tyrants, lording it over goat herders and
small farmers. The kingdom of Israel was at one time wealthy but only
because it was a vassal state of Assyria, who built it up and incorporated
it within Assyrian international trade. Typically, once the Israelites tried
to betray Assyria, the Assyrians kicked their asses and shipped them off to
Assyria and Babylonia where the Ten Tribes disappeared from history.
Thus, the kingdom of Israel became extinct, leaving the lying rabbis of
Judah making up stories to make themselves look good to the illiterate
Hebrew yokels. After all, in those days the only ones who could read or
write were the priests and scribes. So, everybody had no choice but to
believe what the lying rabbis wrote. And since the rabbis thought that
their lies would never be found out, they told some whoppers.
Crossing the Reed Sea, killing all the first born of Egypt, sending plagues
and turning the Nile red as blood, having a great magician named Moses
to lead them out of Egypt while stealing the gold and silver of the
Egyptians, were all stories that appealed to the Hebrew thieves and
goat-rustlers. Everybody in the ancient Near East knew about the
power and might of Egypt. So, defeating the pharaoh with their own
made-to-order Yahweh-god, was just what the priests needed to get the
Hebrews to donate to the Temple. Who could resist donating money
and roasted goats to the priests of such a mighty god as the one who
was sitting on his throne in the Temple of Jerusalem? It was a
profitable scam.
Even the god of the Hebrews is a fake. The word “Yahweh”, was actually
taken from Egypt where “Yah” was the name of the Moon God of Egypt.
The Semites have always been partial to the Moon God since they rely
on the Babylonian Calendar which is a lunar calendar. The Jewish Calendar
is actually the Babylonian Calendar that the Jews stole and put their
own name upon. All of the Semites have always considered the Moon God
to be superior to the Sun God simply because the Moon controls the
calendar and it is in the sky more than the sun is, being visible both in
the day and the night. So, obviously, the Moon is a greater god than
the Sun. The modern Muslims follow their Moon god, Al-Lah, and the
modern Jews follow their Moon god Yah-weh. And the mighty pharaoh
who kicked the Hebrews (Hyksos) out of Egypt was Ahmose
(The Moon is Born). So, the Hebrews merely worshipped the highest god
that they knew and later claimed that it was the only god. Even the
Sinai Peninsula is named after the Semitic Moon God, Sin, as in
“Sin-ai” or the “Wilderness of the Moon-God-Sin”. And in their usual
religious stupidity, the rabbis claim that Sinai is derived from the
Hebrew word for “hatred”, the Hatred of the Jewish God for all of Mankind.
But even their claim that monotheism is Jewish, is another Jewish lie.
Nearly a thousand years before they declared Yahweh as the only god,
Ankenaton of Egypt was declaring his god Aton as the one true god.
The Jews just can’t win, since everything that they promote is a lie.
Science and archaeology prove that the Jews are liars. Stories such as
Daniel in the Lions Den, was written during Roman times and attributed
to ancient kings who actually never existed. But who would know, since
the ancient records had been buried for a thousand years by the time the
Romans showed up on the scene? The same for a large number of the
so-called “prophets” — Jonah in the belly of the whale, etc . The Book of Job
is purloined from the wisdom writings of Egypt and Mesopotamia. And
the Song of Solomon is simply a pornographic Hebrew rendition of
Egyptian erotic literature and hymns to the Sun God.
That their writings were written sometimes centuries after they were
supposed to have been written and had undergone extensive editorial
re-writing in all that time, clearly shows that the rabbis are liars. It was
easy to write something in 300 AD about a “prophet” who “foretold events”
in 300 AD but who “lived” in 500 AD, and then claim that that prophet was
so “wise” to be able to “foresee events” from 200 years ago! And who would
know, since the only documents were in the hands of the rabbis or else
buried under the rubble of the destroyed cities where even the most
wicked rabbi in his most evil delusions would never guess that anyone
would want to dig in search of the original clay tablets and papyrus scrolls.
Comparative literature, philology, historians and archaeologists prove
that most of the Old Testament is nothing but a series of ancient forgeries,
falsified histories and myths that were stolen from other peoples. The Jews
are liars and they have always been known as liars both in ancient times
and in modern times. But they are also hypocrites in that in the face
of all proofs, they continue with their lies.
Furthermore, there is no reason to claim that there is no God just because
the Jews are lying devils. That the Old Testament is a Lie, simply means that
the Jews are liars. But it also shows clearly that the Muslims are also liars
and that Mohammad (may he rot in hell) was a false prophet. If Mohammad
had been truly in contact with God, then he would not have accepted the
lies of the Old Testament and enlarged upon them. Rather, he would have
gotten the truth from God and told the Truth. But instead, the illiterate
Mohammad stupidly believed the lies of the rabbis and then twisted
them up into his own version.
And the biggest lie of all is the “We” lie. “We” were slaves in Egypt, spoken
by a European Jew without a single genetic connection to the ancient
Hebrews, is one of those lies. “We” were oppressed by Pharaoh, spoken by
any Jew today who is living 2000 years after the last pharaoh died, is
another Jewish lie. “We” suffered from the Holocaust, is another lie spoken
by snot-nosed Jewish kids on skate boards whose only memory of
World War Two is found in watching the lies on TV. This ancient “we” lie
of the Jews is the lie that whatever happens to one Jew, happens to all
Jews forever. “We” crossed the Red Sea on dry land, is an ancient lie
that the modern Jews claim actually happened to them, personally.
The Jews are liars, deceivers, hypocrites and murderers, just as Jesus
said that they are. Science proves it. And history seals it.
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Wow, that’s one huge disgusting hodgepodge of boilerplate anti-Semitic insults, if I’ve ever seen one. Looks like it’s copied & pasted straight from some spook cookbook. And the content has no relation to the actual spookery, all the slurs & swearing totally miss the point. It’s as if the author has read neither my papers nor Miles’ papers.
You said you were actually NOT trying to be a pain in the ass. If that’s really true, you shouldn’t have posted this.
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Definitely copy-pasted, from perhaps a .PDF or other unformatted… format?
The carriage returns are terrible.
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Surely this statement undermines the entire post, given what we now know? 😉
Oh a serious note, I don’t think the ancient texts are fakes. They may mislead, distract and pun us away from the truth, but I don’t think they are all fakes full of lies.
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“Oh a serious note”
That should say “On a serious note” but it sounds like the start of a song about earnest chords.
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https://newindian.activeboard.com/t62392046/why-the-old-testment-is-a-lie-by-banjo_billy/
If you go to the above link, lo and behold!
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Agreeing with Gerry. That’s some low IQ non-sense. The type of tirades the spooks like since it insults your average Jew while also missing the point. Probably written by a cubicle troll.
They hate the precision Miles and his methods provide. This forum isn’t about Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc. but about exposing HIDDEN RULING FAMILIES or SPOOKS, their METHODS, and their LACKEYS fucking everyone on this planet for their own gain.
These Machiavellians, and all their methods, must be totally exposed. IMHO, humanity can’t really move forward as a species without this. These spook families are a straight-jacket on humanity, and its time for them to piss off permanently.
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I posted the link that ihatestarwars put up somewhere before.
I don’t believe anything in the bible is true.That’s all.So that seemed interesting to me.
Sorry to offend you guys.
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Tony Martin said: “I posted the link that ihatestarwars put up somewhere before.”
So you were just copy-pasting some information from that link? I mean that’s fine and all, I have no beef with you doing so. But quotation marks and a quick explanation maybe would have avoided the confusion!
I don’t think anyone was offended. Disagreement isn’t offense, you know? 😉
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“I don’t think anyone was offended”
Jared and everyone…..I’m not trying to be a pain in the ass….. but how am I supposed to interpret this?
“You said you were actually NOT trying to be a pain in the ass. If that’s really true, you shouldn’t have posted this.”
“This forum isn’t about Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc. but about exposing HIDDEN RULING FAMILIES or SPOOKS, their METHODS, and their LACKEYS fucking everyone on this planet for their own gain.”
Phillip….. by the way If the Jewish rabbis in the olden days Plagiarise the Bible and sold it to the whole of humanity to this day as this great wonderful book ….don’t you think that that understanding is also exposing HIDDEN RULING FAMILIES or SPOOKS, their METHODS, and their LACKEYS fucking everyone on this planet for their own gain.
That’s how I feel about the Bible and it’s plagiarizer’s. The Bible has always been fucking everyone on this planet for its own gain too.
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I see. But I was saying precision is the the key here, and that copy-paste crossed way over into ad-hominem territory and that’s not my bag. And neither is it effective as an argument.
It’s too broad of a brush-stroke, like modern “art” and all its color smearing. We can out the plagiarizers without calling every Jew a liar or deceiver. The spooks wouldn’t have gotten as far as they have in this century if they recruited every single Jewish person in the world anyways. It’s not how their scheme works. They are all about ‘fronting’.
There’s some decent moral lessons here and there sprinkled throughout these holy books of the past, and there is something to be said about the age old advice of ‘Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater’.
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Confucius said: “The man of noble mind seeks to achieve the good in others and not their evil. The little-minded man is the reverse of this.” (A decent moral lesson.)
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Guys, IMO it’s a very bad idea for any forum or website to post or accept posting of plain insults like this:
“Mohammad (may he rot in hell) was a false prophet”
“Hebrew thieves and goat-rustlers”
“the Jews are lying devils”
I don’t think “that’s fine and all”. It’s totally insulting to common religious people, and also all totally besides the point.
I too think that much of religious scripture may be made up. But that trollish nonsense post smears & undermines any such hypothesis by mixing it with baseless insults, while exempting Christianity. It makes any critical researcher look like a hateful idiot Christian. It was written precisely for that purpose, by spooks.
On top of that, on the side it peddles many dangerous paradigms which IMO are spook tools: personas-taken-literally, religion-taken-literally, religion-vs-religion, nation-vs-nation, rags-to-riches-“Jews”, plus the idea that if there are no archaeological finds in the Levant, it means there’s nothing to see there. We should all know better than that by now.
@tony martin, if you’re really a newcomer and haven’t read Miles’ works yet: Please read them first, and please don’t ever post something like that again here. There’s nothing of value in there, but much that hurts our cause, on so many levels. Just my opinion.
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@Gerry: I completely agree. But as I said to Tony directly, if he doesn’t BELIEVE that stuff himself or whatever then quotation marks and a reference would have made that clear.
Gerry said: “the idea that if there are no archaeological finds in the Levant, it means there’s nothing to see there. We should all know better than that by now.”
I can’t imagine anyone thinking there aren’t archaeological finds there, though? Have you ever heard of or read “The Source”, but (probably spooky) author James Michener?
I read it at 16 years old, and it was amazing to me then though I’m sure there’s tons of spin in there, from our perspective here. It’s about a “tell” being excavated in the Levant for archaeological purposes, and they go layer by layer through it, back some 11,000 years or so. Back to, you know, THE SOURCE. It’s a historical fiction but I found it very interesting. For each major chapter they have a current-time story, and as they find various artifacts going deeper and deeper, the next chapter is a story FROM the timeframe of that artifact.
The section on Jews in the Spanish Inquisition horrified me as a teen, but my guess is now that it’s entirely propaganda, intended to do just that. When actually (of course) it was Jews themselves who perpetrated the entire thing, which is likely nothing like we are told, either historically or in that book. Still a good read. Michener writes well and presents a lot of good stuff along with the prop, I feel like.
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I get ya, Jared. But that rant is so obviously horrible, I’d still find it a bad idea if someone posted it full length and just put 2 little quotation marks around it. Imagine for a second that the religions were reversed here, and it would be a rant against Christianity.
Tony stated that his reason for posting it was that he doesn’t believe anything in the Bible is true. Only a small part of that rant would be needed to make the connection, so I’d have much preferred such a partial quotation. But hey, we all get worked up about different things.
As for the archeology, I meant “no finds around Israel that support a great regional empire in Biblical times along the lines of Solomon”. Should’ve written it like that. Not sure if even that is true, but I haven’t found anything. There’s plenty of other finds, but they do tend to get more Egyptian or Mesopotamian the more you approach the Late Bronze Age, if the datings are correct at all. And of course, there’s much megalithic potential in the Levant, as with the Temple Mount foundations, the Batroun wall, or the Baalbek stone.
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@tony martin – I know where you got all that stuff. Why not link the books? “Greg Delaney” is an interesting project. If you’re involved in it, could you provide a link to Volume III, delayed for years now, or give an update on its progress? For those unfamiliar with these, they include; The Sumerian Swindle, Monsters of Babylon, and the ever-forthcoming Bloodsuckers of Judah. There’s quite a bit of insight in his muddied bathwater, but for most anyone encountering “his” vitriol, the recoil effect has to be fairly profound. What I’d call Mission Accomplished. The deconstruction of scriptural hoaxes, lineage anomalies, archeological finds, and other subjects can be quite compelling, but it’s hard to plow through the rat-poison along the way.
I think a more practical approach in attempting to deal with our ruling class was the outreach document When Victims Rule by a group calling itself the Consortium. They called for dialog, not genocide. They were educating all people, and they used excerpts from over 4,000 books written by mostly contemporary Jews. They were speaking particularly to those manipulated by the Rabbi’s you abhor. It’s pretty obscure these days and one of the internet hosts of the 2,000+ page tome is a wildly radical “Christian” site that is such a terrible put-off. But it is still out there, which leads me to think that it’s meant to be and serves some future purpose. The ruling class drove a lot of unwilling people to the Middle East since World War II and it’s plausible they’d do it again, which will require the kind of “anti-Semitism” that Theodor Hertzl said was Zionism’s best friend.
Did anyone notice that “Karl Radl” and his Semitic Controversies site has been scrubbed recently? Interesting times.
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It would appear that this thread has been left to bleed out. Too bad, it did have potential.
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What do you mean? How does outing and delving into these types of things, with great posts and new papers inspired herein as well, diminish its value?
What “potential” were you hoping for here, us going back in time far enough to find out how to summon Unicron himself?
You’re always welcome to add to the mix further. You know, help us all live up to your lofty “potential”. 😉
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Luv ya Jared, but this cattle corral ends at 6,000 BPE. Even Jerry has no more to contribute. If I can find something written by people educated in the public school system in 500 BC. or so, I promise to bring it! best of luck in the search!
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Well I feel like you’re being stifling, in your language. Out of frustration?
There’s plenty more work to be done! So much more…. It’s a vast ocean of lies we’re trying to navigate together. Grab an oar! Keep rowing!
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If you know something we don’t, just say it don’t spray it brother. Nobody likes a tease.
It’s summer and the weather is too ding dang nice out. After that ‘orrible Winter and Spring Im outside as much as possible.
Though after that last rant on Health Matters I realized I need to start my own site, with a focus on health matters obviously.
Will pick up the ancient spook stuff again later.
A whole paper needs done on Pythagoras.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras
A sea of red flags..
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Don’t like Pythagoras! … Always coming at you from a different angle…..
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See my novel above….. Better make that 50,000 years ago we came out of Africa. Must have been a bit chilly but Wiki says so, so it must be true. If my memory serves me correctly, one of the coldest times of the last major glaciation was near the end, around 26,000 years ago. Maybe we popped back to Africa for a while until it warmed up again? Animals (food/clothing) migrated all the time, so why not humans….follow the food….
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MP:
The mainstream narrative, that we all came out of Africa around 150,000 years ago, seems okay until scrutinised. This means – with its whistles and bells written historic events – that we were Mr & Mrs Flintstone before this. But that is only a single major glaciation event, which must have been pretty devastating worldwide, to a human population at least. I don’t see any reason why there couldn’t have been relatively advanced human societies going back many hundreds of thousands of years. If 10 or 20,000 years will wipe out almost any trace of modern civilisation, then what will be left after 150,000? We have a habit of shallow burial in earth or cremation to prevent disease. Even human bones eventually decompose, unless preserved in certain types of mud, silt or bog. Vast areas of the lands north of the equator will have been scraped clean by glaciers or scrubbed and washed clean by mudslides and floods. Very few skeletons or artefacts would remain. The greatest numbers of intact human remains would be in more equatorial regions. Problem here is burial under sand, or jungle/forest. We would lose a large percentage of remains to predators; the bones weathering quite quickly in the sun and open air. Best place to store artefacts would be stone burial chambers but after 1,000 or 3,000 or 15,000 years, how many would remain intact and not plundered by grave robbers? So we are left making logically deduced assumptions, for the most part, while we sit patiently waiting for that breakthrough discovery that will turn history upside down. Hushed up it may be and hushed up it may already have been, just to keep the modern narrative on track and controllable. If my assumptions are true, then the evidence is out there. We just need to look in the right places. A very costly and time consuming endeavour. When finding fossils, how many metres of earth and rock have been worn away by decomposition, caused by rain, wind blown abrasives, temperature and acidity/alkalinity? The uppermost layers usually being the most susceptible – and so the most recent, perhaps messing up our timeline over the past few million years, over which time there have been many major glaciations. It is doubtful we’ll find human remains in rock strata but silt and mud are a great place to look. Problem being, most of this artefact rich silt is kilometres out to sea, as 95% of the time, this is where the majority of people would have lived for fishing, travel and trade. Less predators too. Same today with many major cities being near or on the coast, or tidal estuary’s/rivers. Lets face it, we find a small enough number of human remains from even a few thousand years ago. The argument from a fossil perspective, is that we may have found thousands of animal and plant remains, but most are from rock and many, many millions of years old….out of how many animals and plants….trillions? So if we are talking about a max of perhaps 200 million humans worldwide, spread over 400,000 years, at a birth and death rate of around 5,000 a year, those look like pretty sustainable numbers to me. Catastrophe would hit those numbers but they would be spread out over a very large area and would soon recover. Or maybe this is the most advanced and populous we have ever been. …… Someone mentioned giants. The temperature and CO2 levels peaked and were much higher around 8,000 years ago, so plants would grow more profusely and reliably. Humans from just a few hundred years ago in the UK had small houses with low ceilings and tiny doors. People were starved and much smaller back then. Food has become more plentiful and sanitation techniques have reduced disease, so we are growing larger and living longer. Extrapolate that back 8,000 years and some peoples may well have been much taller, stronger and long lived. As the centuries went by and CO2 levels and temperatures dropped, people grew smaller, because intermittent famine would be a greater and greater problem. There is also the fact that during the long and often highly disruptive climatic conditions during the glaciations, starvation would have been the order of the day, keeping the population in check and the human remains abnormally small. We talk about older finds as being from much earlier humans. Common identifiers are small size and unusually shaped skulls. I guess 75,000 years of intermittent severe nutrient deficiency will do that to a species. Look at the chronic levels of deformity over relatively very short time periods where rickets is concerned for an example of how nutrition can severely affect the human form. Any road up! I think it will be extremely difficult to find any clear proof of extremely ancient civilisations, while we keep looking in the wrong place.
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Turns out my father (in Odyssey, or rather Kassandra’s father) IS Pythagoras, who has somehow lived for hundreds of years and also guards Atlantis itself. Crazy that all these topics we’ve been discussing have come up, in a fucking video game! I really feel like someone at Ubisoft is dropping hints, but unless someone were following along with Miles and co. on their expose’s, the hints would make no sense or never be pieced together? Perhaps they have been following along and that’s what CAUSED them to write the game?
Bear with me. All it would mean is that EVERYONE in the game, from Socrates to Pythagoras to Leonidas and all of them, are somehow spooky. Either from the families or directly Komnenes themselves? I don’t know, just an idea. Also it’s one of the best video games ever made, hands-down, so it’s not like I’m going to stop playing until I’m done or anything.
Whatever – now I’m going to look into the writers. Jonathan Dumont; Melissa MacCoubrey; Hugo Giard. And the producer, one Marc-Alexis Côté. Maybe that’ll lead somewhere, maybe I’m just being a dork.
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Pythagoras, son of a gem-engraver or a wealthy merchant, need I say more?
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@Jared: Are you serious? Pythragoras? I don’t think I’ve made it that far. Did you ever play Origins?
Seriously everything Ubisoft does is spooky. I would check out their writers but I think it’s pretty clear that publisher is completely stacked with spooks.
No doubt they are trying to control the truth and this is how they do it. I’m sure within some length of time, the mainstream will twist our revelations here and they will paint themselves as the good guys throughout all of history. AC fits that new narrative.
You gotta think from their perspective: would you rather have your dissidents scattered across the wilderness and harder to track, or would you rather have them all corralled onto your public platforms, easier to watch and also easier to adjust the narrative to whatever level they are on now?
But the claim that the “Pythagorean theorem” was his is a bald-faced, multi-century lie. They still try to bury this, but its not really possible in our internet world.
See here and here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IM_67118
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhoubi_Suanjing
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DeAdLy SeRiOuS! 😉
Most readers will miss this or wonder why we’re talking about a stinkin’ VIDEO Game, but Odyssey is in more homes than many television shows right now. I couldn’t find exact numbers, but Ubisoft claims it has outsold all the other Asssassin’s Creed games, blatantly. And that’s even with Black Flag (AC 4) selling over 10 million copies in its first two months!
And you know? These two games specifically DESERVE the sales, spin or no spin, propaganda or none. They’re two of the best video games ever made, with great historical references that you can actually visit in the games, explore, enjoy, and the graphics and gameplay are of course beautiful. I’m NOT promoting the spookery, just the experience. Hell, I even have all the sea-shanty songs from Black Flag in my Jeep for driving and singing along, it’s great fun! People look at’cha funny but that’s nothing new for my ugly mug. 🙂
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That’s what is so odd about (ahem) Odyssey to me, Philip. It’s like they’re blatantly calling out the Komnenes as a CULT. But then all the other heroes in the story as probably directly related to them as well? Including the player character?
So it’s a lot like Hitler being Jewish but being blamed for anti-Semitism in that fashion. But it’s such a subtle spin, you know? Am I supposed to hate this work of art, this masterpiece of its medium, or am I supposed to dig in, enjoy it, and (virtually) slaughter the Komnenes wholesale as the game demands? I mean it makes it even MORE fun knowing the enemies (the blatant ones, the Cult of Kosmos chief opponents) are representing ACTUAL Tyrant assholes, you know?
But on the other hand, it is a distraction. Yet even so, all work and no play…
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Hahah well I preferred the older AC games and Origins over Odyssey. Just for gameplay reasons, but yeah the art direction and world design is incredible in Odyssey. Makes you really want to live in the Mediterranean. There’s a lot of creative talent in these dev houses. But I’m in my 30s now so I’m one of those grumpy gamers who remember how games used to be, damnit!
Well I would say they definitely have a Good Spook vs. Bad Spook dichotomy going on here, which is why I was asking if you played AC:Origins, since I thought that theme was more prevalent there.
Yeah we all need to escape and veg out for awhile. My view is once the propaganda in the medium has been ‘defused’ and acknowledged, all it really can do after that is nibble at your bum. It has been de-fanged. I also see they have a hard time delivering propaganda in video games, which is true since vidya games are a much more subjective experience. I noticed the sequel to Wolfenstein failed to deliver its propaganda, and many players didn’t bite.
Maybe this is another sign of a split? Ubisoft did have a hostile take-over attempt by Vivendi awhile back. Not sure what the outcome was out of that. But I’m far past placing any iota in trust in these guys, so the cynic in me says they are fake attacking themselves once again here. But then again.. if they gotta skirt this close to the truth now, then maybe we are making some progress..
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When I was 15 I followed the development of the original assassins creed extremely closely, in part because Jade Raymond was beautiful, but also because it looked like a really interesting game. When it finally came out, my teenage self was extremely disappointed, and I promised I would never again buy into hype, and #2 I would never buy another Ubisoft game.
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@RT: I’d never heard of “Jade Raymond” until just now. Must be a Canadian thing? I mean, her celebrity status?
Out of curiosity what disappointed you in the first game? I found it a bit buggy but otherwise ground-breaking in many ways, including the amazing combat system which has just gotten better and better with time.
But that’s just me. I prefer ninjas to Jewish assassins, but whatever. 🙂
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I don’t think she has any celebrity status in reality, I was just a huge nerd who saw a trailer at E3 and ended up trying to find everything I could find on the game’s production, including many interviews of the producer(?) Jade Raymond. She was the one who would appear on panels and other interviews tracking the game’s progress.
I don’t know, I think as such a young kid I was just easily influenced by the cinematic quality of the original E3 trailers — I actually don’t think any game would have satisfied my expectations. But yeah, the game really just didn’t impress me, I found the gameplay to be basically one-note, versus the games I was playing at the time like Starcraft Brood War, FFXI, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, Half-Life Counter-Strike, I just wasn’t really impressed at all as there was no depth in the gameplay. The dumbing down of video gaming has been popularized, in part, by video games series like assassins creed, with tons of cinematic quality but no depth to the actual mechanics. Now obviously I’m sure a lot has changed since the first one, and I trust your tastes, so I’m sure it has some great qualities, but I’m more talking about the series of games in general.
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Not sure where to post this, so I suppose I’ll just post it here. I’m a little nervous about Miles’ home network situation — I think there may be a possibility that some subset of spooks is restricting his home’s network, I know he just purchased a new router and it should be arriving any day now, and he is also switching to a local small business network provider. I’m not sure what home network issue wouldn’t be fixed by getting a new line from a different provider, new network hardware, and fresh cabling, but he’s trying everything. Maybe the new hardware / ISP will solve the issue and he’ll regain access to everything, that’s what I’m hoping.
As a network engineer myself, once you’ve exhausted all of those troubleshooting steps, I’m not sure what else I can recommend from afar. Apparently he’s even blocked at the public library. I’ve visited his website from many networks, and never have I been blocked from it from a web filter or something like that. So why would a public library block him from his own website?
I’m not trying to scare anyone, just providing an update on the situation as I see it.
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@RT: I think the posts about “Miles’ home network situation” should go into “current events” or perhaps “support for Miles Mathis”, not here. I’m worried too, and I think your comment got lost here in the video games talk.
If anyone of you US guys lives near him, you could maybe offer to call him or visit him or something, only after checking via email if he really wants that of course, since he usually doesn’t.
As for the library block: I’m working at a huge bllsht corporation which uses URL based web content filters from an external provider. For many years, milesmathis.com (without the W) was blocked for me, but mileswmathis.com (with W) wasn’t. Dunno if that means the science stuff is seen as more dangerous, or if it was just some random oversight either way. With some update a while ago, the ban was lifted and I can now access both sites. Miles’ library may theoretically have a different provider where they’re both blocked.
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Actually, Jared it wasn’t directed at you. It was for the Jack-in -the-boxes. But the real trail is in the neolithic era. The 7,500 year old olive oil factory recently discovered in Israel might be a good place to start. 60-75 presses is quite large for a culture that had no writing, money, or knowledge of mathematics. Just sayin…..
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Well lead us down the trail, then! If you DARE… Muhuhahahaha!
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i agree with you that the spook story started very early, and i believe it would be a mistake to stop rewarding the time at Phoenician Era.
i have no certainty about the place, but about the period, i’m quite sure that something huge happened during neolithic era that gave them a huge advance compared to others. Until now they keep this advance.
this has something to do with fire, obviously, as fire is omnipresent in their fake-or-not events, in many real or symbolic ways (shootings with fire guns, launching with big flames, even their satanist religion is about 🔥, as satan is prince of hells, and hell is the land of fire), fire is in carthage, london, alexandria, hiroshima, …., notre dame, even in game of thrones, also in wars, in burnings, in pyres at the end of witches trial, in fireworks when they marry their daughters, and so on…
i’m also almost quite sure that mister magne-son will denigrate this idea, as he usually does when some writer leaves the authorised zone (authorized by him or his boss)…
but, with or not the agreement of mister benkebir, i will go on looking into the very early periods, because the answer is there.
before the melting of the great glaciers, before the Flood.
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I want to mention the book “Solar History: Grand Solar Minima – times of peace” by Sacha Dobler (see https://abruptearthchanges.com/2018/10/26/solar-history-ebook-out-now/). Dobler also wrote the book “Black Death and Abrupt Earth Changes in the 14th Century” , and I probably already mentioned this book on the blog.
In my opinion the Black Death book is more useful than the Solar History book. The first problem with the Solar History is that I am not that sure that the chronology is that correct, even for the so called 2nd millennium AD. But the biggest problem is that the major historical events were probably managed and manufactured by the elite families.
I already had a discussion in the past on Vexman’s blog, with Vexman and Jared, about the fact that the elites probably take advantage of these major natural cycles. The problem that I have with Dobler hypothesis is that he seems to put the emphasis on the natural cycles, not on the elite shenanigans. Nonetheless, the book may prove to be useful.
It would also be nice if Mathis writes a few additional papers about the subject of solar cycles.
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Black Death and abrupt earth changes. I downloaded that recently but haven’t started it yet. Yes I think the elites would certainly take advantage of these times. We hear today of conspiracy to control population but in times of severe famine, this would protect the food supply to the elite. How far back does the term, “useless eaters” go I wonder? ……………… Games with spoops! I love the old Anno 1404 which Ubisoft released from Related Designs back in 2009. All the elements are there. Merchant shipping from the tropics and orient to the mountainous north lands, and includes sabotage and crusades with corsair pirate ships. As the game builds you achieve higher status and new class levels with more modern goods, bigger ships etc. Also has an endless version. You end up busy 100% of the time and can’t let your guard down or you get infiltrated by spies and taken over people from other lands. Is that spoopy enough for Ubisoft? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_1404 I’ll check out Odyssey….sounds cool.
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A podcast on just that subject: https://www.corbettreport.com/who-coined-the-term-useless-eaters-questions-for-corbett-034/
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I think the real problem with this whole enchilada is that with the sea level rise after the Pleistocene, most of the sites we would want to examine are almost all under water. Kfar Samir is under only 5 meters, but it is relatively recent at 7,500 BPE. This dovetails with Mr. Irwanto’s sea rise chart where it leveled off at around 5,000 BPE. BTW. So, logically, the most fertile places to look would be around the equator up to a depth of around or up to 500′. Preferably near a river mouth or even a current harbor. But this requires major capital and who has any idea how much of the discoveries would be released to the public in such a case? I’m guessin the filters would get a good workout. And the evidence would never be enough for many in any case. And, as Russell mentioned, what would remain after so much time? I think there is enough evidence to convince me that it is there. Whether there is any desire to dig it up remains to be seen.
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I’d be so down, except I’ve never really dove and have no money to speak of! But otherwise, it sounds like a great time!
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Rome was defeated in battle by the Gauls and the city sacked in 390 or 387BC. The elites of Rome bribed the Gauls with 1000lb of gold to depart the smouldering city. Then Rome rebuilds itself and founds an Empire…
I was playing around with the notion that twas the Gauls who bribed the Roman elite with 1000lbs of Gold, i.e. Brennus the Gaulish leader was leading a Phoeny mercenary army. The army apparently then marched south to serve some Sicilian tyrant.
There is no evidence of a widespread sacking of the City, nor of any new city planning after the event. So what if there was no army and what we have left is a mythical version of the assimilation of Rome’s elite. Or at least the climax of a long process?
Iberia and Gaul were probably assimilated during the previous centuries and so what we might have here is merely an extension of the Herculean Way into Italy — the story of the Phoeny capture of the Western Mediterranean. Hercules is a Phoeny Hero-God as much as a Greek Hero-God. Hercules’ journeys in the West seem to act as a kind of land deed or claim that colonists used (armed with Oracular authority) to build new cities.
Anyway, perhaps 390BC represents the year the Phoenies choose Rome as a new power centre for their hegemonic ambitions.
So that is my thought for the day 😛
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“chose Rome”? Who knows.
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Clever thinking. I never thought of the Hercules journeys as some sort of land deed or claim operation, but I like it.
But you have to back another 400 years to find the Phonies. They set up the Romans from the beginning:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numa_Pompilius
“Titus Livius (Livy) and Plutarch refer to the story that Numa was instructed in philosophy by Pythagoras but discredit it as chronologically and geographically implausible.[3] ”
Chronologically yes but not geographically. It just means Numa was an earlier prototype of the Pythagorean spook cult which Livy and Plutrach are hinting at here.
Here Numa is also called the Agent of the gods.
But the biggest red flags is the ‘Book of Numa’ story and his relationship with his “girlfriend” Egeria. Sounds like a handler to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egeria_(mythology)
“The precise level of her relationship to Numa has been described diversely. She is typically given the respectful label coniuncta (“consort”); Plutarch is very evasive as of the actual mode of intimacy between Numa and Egeria, and hints that Numa himself entertained a level of ambiguity.[14] By Juvenal’s day that tradition was treated more critically. Juvenal called her Numa’s Amica (or “girlfriend”) in a sceptical phrase.[15]”
At the bottom of Egeria’s page links to Joseph Conrad’s Under Western Eyes and also The Secret Agent, the latter to have said been a major inspiration for the Una-bomber. Both books are about controlling the opposition if you read closely.
But about those books…
“Livy narrates that while digging in the field of the scriba L. Petilius at the foot of the Ianiculum, peasants found two stone coffers, eight feet long and four feet wide, inscribed both in Latin and in Greek characters, one stating that Numa Pompilus, son of Pompon, king of the Romans was buried (there) and the other that Numa’s books were inside it. When Petilius after the advice of his friends opened it, the one that was inscribed with the name of the king was found empty, the other containing two bundles each of seven books, not complete but looking very recent, seven in Latin dealing with pontifical law and seven in Greek of philosophy as it was in that remote past.
The books were shown to other people and the fact became public. Praetor Q. Petilius, who was friends with L. Petilius, requested them, found them very dangerous to religion and told Lucius he would have them burnt, but he allowed him to try and recover them by legal or other means. The scriba brought the case to the tribunes of the plebs, and the tribunes in turn brought it to the senate. The praetor declared he was ready to swear an oath that it was not a good thing either to read or to store those books, and the senate deliberated that the offer of the oath was sufficient by itself, that the books be burnt on the Comitium as soon as possible and that an indemnity fixed by the praetor and the tribunes be paid to the owner. L. Petilius though declined to accept the sum. The books were burnt by the victimarii.
The action of the praetor has been seen as politically motivated, and in accord with the Catonian reaction of those years.[20] It is relevant though that some of the annalists of those times or only a few years later, do not seem to show any doubt about the authenticity of the books.[21] The whole incident has been critically analyzed again by philologist E. Peruzzi, who by comparing the different versions, strives to demonstrate the overall authenticity of the books.[22] By contrast, M.J. Pena’s position is more reserved and critical.[23]
Francophone scholars A. Delatte and J. Carcopino believe the incident to be the result of a real initiative of the pythagoric sect of Rome.[24] The fears of the Roman authorities should be explained in connection to the nature of the doctrines contained in the books, which are supposed to have contained a type of physikòs lógos, a partly moral and partly cosmological interpretation of religious beliefs that has been proven by Delatte to be proper of the ancient pythagorism. Part of it must have been in contradiction with the beliefs of fulgural and augural art and of the procuratio of the prodigies.[25]”
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Furthermore Dionysius of Halicarnaasus says the books were actually kept secret by the state.
“Other authors, according to Plutarch, gave Numa, in addition, five sons, Pompo (or Pomponius), Pinus, Calpus, Mamercus, and Numa, from whom the noble families (gentes) of the Pomponii, Pinarii, Calpurnii, Aemilii, and Pompilii respectively traced their descent. Still other writers, writes Plutarch, believed these were fictional genealogies to enhance the status of these families.[5]”
Plutarch, in like manner, tells of the early religion of the Romans, that it was imageless and spiritual. He says Numa “forbade the Romans to represent the deity in the form either of man or of beast. Nor was there among them formerly any image or statue of the Divine Being; during the first one hundred and seventy years they built temples, indeed, and other sacred domes, but placed in them no figure of any kind; persuaded that it is impious to represent things Divine by what is perishable, and that we can have no conception of God but by the understanding”.
Protyping for Islam, monotheism, and later iconoclasm? I think this war against all real art (or anything real) goes way further back than the Modern era.
Also.. about this Dionysius…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysian_imitatio
“Dionysian imitatio is the literary method of imitation as formulated by Dionysius, who conceived it as the rhetorical practice of emulating, adapting, reworking, and enriching a source text by an earlier author.[6][7] “
Or in other words.. re-writing history.
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I really love this stuff, though I can barely keep up with it if at all. Just reams of further research to do – or undo, almost. Redo. Whatever, it’s really interesting!
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Pompo? Any relation to pompous ass Mike Pompeo?
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Parts of this giant asylum are more bizarre than others. Seems the Phoenec’…sorry Venetians can get away with anything and hate tourists breaking their sacred rules; or do they just hate tourists?
But come on now…..US$1,066 for brewing a coffee? And to add to the list of bizarre laws, you’ll soon be charged as much as US$11 just for being a flippin’ tourist. An entry charge.
It gets dafter!
You can be fined for pausing too long on a bridge, or sitting on steps. You can’t cycle through the cities pedestrian areas. What? Must be the only city on the planet that doesn’t actively promote cycling.
On certain streets in Florence, you could be fined up to US$578 for eating outdoors at certain hours. Whaaaaat?
Now it gets truly insane. In Italy’s Cinque Terre, you can be fined US$2,824 for wearing the wrong type of shoes….hahahaha…..oh my word, my sides are aching!
Flip-Fops, sandals or pumps, I kid you not. Excuse? Because of the rough and hilly terrain. So leather soled brogues or stiletto heels are ok then? And where do they draw the line between a ladies open topped shoe with a flat sole, and a sandal?
The list goes on. Fined anywhere between US$27 and US$556 for having a picnic in a public place.
Was a committee of paranoid schizophrenics, asked to sit down and think up the most bizarre bunch of laws imaginable?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49054042
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@Russell Taylor:
“…Was a committee of paranoid schizophrenics, asked to sit down and think up the most bizarre bunch of laws imaginable?”
Sounds like Venice is even worse than Singapore, which is known by visitors as the Fine City!
Trouble is, trying to police these petty laws is difficult, unless you can employ a large number of enforcement officers on very low pay to make it work as in Singapore. I don’t think this is going to happen in Venice, which has still not recovered from the recession. Just like the smoking ban in Irish pubs, few prosecutions for infringements will mean the laws will get largely forgotten and ignored.
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Gerry, (and everyone interested), have you seen this article yet?
http://www.viewzone.com/phoenician.html
The page is titled “The Phoenicians: What History Doesn’t Want You to Know”, but the article’s title is “What Osama Bin Laden Doesn’t Want YOU to Know – About the Phoenicians and the Jews!” Spooky title, but the meat of the essay is rather strong evidence and seems legit on the surface. Excerpts:
“… the Phoenicians themselves claimed to have been civilized since about 30,000 BC.”
“The Cabeiri are the Khyberi, or people of the Khyber … The Cabeiri are … Cuvera, the Hindoo god of wealth and regent of the North, – that is, in simple language, the Kyber; it’s region is wealthy and abounds with rubies; gold is found in the rivers in its vicinity, and it was likewise the ruling northern power in those days … There is yet another important view in which the Khaiberi are to be considered. They are the Khebrew-i, or Hebrews. ”
“In those remotest of times, places like Afghanistan weren’t so barren and hostile to human life as they are now. The area was exceedingly fertile. As time went by, the Khyberis or Kheebers came to own all the arable land, creating vast feudal estates. Although their religion preached that mankind should be humanitarian, they became selfish and cruel to landless peasants and nomads. As their wealth in land and cattle grew, the nomads or Abels (not cattle), had less and less free space to graze their sheep and goats. Finally, the Khybers and the Abels began to make war on each other. Little by little, the Abels were absorbed into the feudal system as slaves. ”
Again, we have the Takers and the Leavers overlapping. Though it’s certainly possible Daniel Quinn has read this stuff too or whatever, but even so Ishmael’s story is off by about 20,000 years, and in the wrong location – so I don’t think Quinn was referencing these writers. But Ishy also doesn’t claim that as fact, just that it’s the Story we have been given (by the mainstream). Ishmael’s parable of Cain and Abel fits this narrative perfectly, however, though I doubt it’s an original parable on Daniel Quinn’s part.
“Meanwhile, back in Khyberia (the Khyber Mountain region), the Kheeberis discovered how to smelt copper, The discovery of copper was probably the greatest historical happening in the history of the world.
“There was no end to the demand, and the Cabeiris had a monopoly on the market, both national and international.”
So we have the ancient Hebrew-Phoenies as metal smiths going way back, further than the Fertile Crescent allegedly, though I can find no confirmations of the timeline (and wouldn’t expect to, easily). Before the Bronze Age Phoenician states, there were Copper Age ones, basically. And of course you need copper to make bronze.
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Nice find dude. All makes sense to me.
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Also, the coldest point in the last ice age was around 26,000 years ago or 24,000 BC. So it makes sense that any forward motion of civilisation would have that as a starting point.
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Aye, I was hoping you’d chime on on this and see if it fit your timelines. I really don’t know much about this era, but as someone else said the Phoenicians in Tyre isn’t the furthest back we can probably go. If we tie the Tyrants to just a few (slowly expanding to 50-100) families over time, this might be a logical place to look. Though I’m skeptical of the author in this case, having never read him or anything and having not gone through to verify much. Confirmation bias, on my part.
That said, there’s no reason to think the Tyrant families even LIKE each other. The rifts between them are likely vast gulfs of animosity. They only despise us, the free-range rude, just enough more than each other to ally in various causes – another case of LESS REPULSION seeming like attraction. If I am any student of human nature, groups and families of greedy folk are far more likely to turn on each other than groups or families of selfless, helpful folk.
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We have a need to help one another….they don’t.
Just found this, courtesy of IceAgeNow. If a short term solar minimum can cause such vast upheaval across the whole northern hemisphere, just imagine how bad things were 24,000 years ago.
The surviving families would have every reason to be bloodthirsty, cannibalistic, genocidal nutcases, just to stay alive. I guess that once that type of thought process gets stuck in the psyche, it takes some shifting. Those powerful memories being written in code to our DNA, being recalled by the subconscious in our modern decision making. That ruthless stereotype will resurface as and when the need arises. Hence some families are greedy and power hungry for no outwardly apparent reason.
https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/late-antiquity-little-ice-age-triggered-plague-decline-empires-and-020737
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Talking of ancients, do you think that the old shape-shifting myths originated by people observing tadpoles turning into frogs and caterpillars turning into butterflies? When they cross bred dogs, maybe the outcome confused the heck out of observers. Lets face it, a weird combination can produce some pretty weird pupsters! They didn’t understand evolution back then, and could have thought the animal had been taken over by demons while in it’s mothers womb….or some such.
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Russell Taylor said: “The surviving families would have every reason to be bloodthirsty, cannibalistic, genocidal nutcases, just to stay alive. I guess that once that type of thought process gets stuck in the psyche, it takes some shifting.”
I hear you, and imagine you’re trying to think how THEY think for the sake of conversation, yeah?
Every other culture that survived did fine WITHOUT establishing Totalitarian Agriculture. Hundreds, maybe thousands of human tribes and cultures worldwide. So the Tyrants became that way by choice, by vitriol and bile, in the same way they resume this choice by doing so today. They didn’t HAVE to, to survive. All they had to do was migrate and learn what to eat, elsewhere. They were lazy, so they founded lazy communities where stealing from each other was the RULE. Where using people was the name of the game. It just so happened that their culture (which is ours, now) generated the most food, and thus sustained an ever-growing population unchecked by Natural Law. With this population they were able to conquer.
I have no doubts that any smithing skills even in the Copper Age were subverted and also stolen by the Tyrants. They didn’t KNOW anything, just as they don’t know. The only thing they can do is conquer and steal. They don’t create anything worthwhile themselves, not one thing.
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Nice! I totally agree.
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I spent way too much time on that site last night. But the articles on the Phoenicians and Abraham might be worth checking out.
http://www.viewzone.com/abraham.html
This one on Abraham is more compelling I think. This one is by a Gene D Matlock, BA, MA. Hmmm Matlock..
TREAD CAUTIOUSLY, however. Taking one step backwards on that site will take you to the main page, which appears to be some sort of conspiracy honeypot website. Standard conspiracy stuff here about aliens and pyramids.
I did find an article series where the site owner talks about himself a bit:
http://www.viewzone.com/state-of-mind/01.html
“First, let me introduce myself. I’m Gary Vey and I own and have written most of the stories on this website, viewzone.com. Sometimes I have written under the name Dan Eden. Whichever, it’s me.”
Said he chose psychology as a profession, but was also a writer for 20 years. After reading the series on Abraham I was still unsure of what to make of it. Possibly mis-direction, or possibly getting close to the truth. I just don’t have enough knowledge in this time-frame.
Here he is promoting Julian Jaynes’ “The Origin of Consciousness in The Breakup of the Bicameral Mind.”
I actually have that book sitting on my shelf, but I haven’t read it yet, nor have I done a background check on Julian. One reason I haven’t touched it yet is that the top EU people also promote it, so I know I would have to be extra super duper vigilant. I do believe consciousness (or conscientiousness) plays a big role in how they control us though, and how they came to be.
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Good stuff, Philip. I’ll admit up until recently I’ve been much more interested in the physics side of things, but hopefully with more rooting we can find a bit of verification of anything on the Viewzone site. Remain skeptical always, but “beyond reasonable doubt” is generally good enough for me.
I think another part of skepticism is maintaining the mindframe that “while this seems like truth, it may yet be unraveled as falsity, so we must be vigilant and open to new data.” A closed mind – which I am guilty of on a great many topics – can block out so much learning, so I’m really trying to remain open while taking out the trash and spin as we run into it. Not always easy.
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It’s a fine line between truth and falsehood. It’s a delicate balance trying to absorb information while at the same time rejecting anything that’s illogical/false/etc to our senses. Definitely a challenge, but a worthy one IMHO. I like studying history on “Expert” or “Hardcore” difficulty mode.
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Here’s possible puns for the Hindu deities:
Brahman = “form of greatness”?
ब्रह्मन् brahman : god Brahma, prayer, devotion — SpokenSanskrit
बृहत् bṛhat : strong, high, mighty — SpokenSanskrit
मान māna : purpose, idea, form, resemblance, likeness, notion — SpokenSanskrit
Sarasvati = “supremacy of wealth”?
सरस्वती sarasvatī : deity identified with education and knowledge — SpokenSanskrit
सार sāra : wealth, property, strength, power — SpokenSanskrit
सवति savati : possess supremacy — SpokenSanskrit
Maybe to the spooks they’re a parable about “visible power” and the “supreme wealth” that is really behind it?
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Thanks, Jared, but that Viewzone article seems to contain an insane amount of bullshit IMO. There may be some gold nuggets to find, but we’d need to sift out a lot.
For instance, that guy conflates עבר ˁbr for “Hebrew” or “crossing”, and חבר ḥbr for “joining” or “company”. Now that may be a hidden pun, but he doesn’t even say that. In fact, he almost never cites any references or gives us links, but just babbles along how it all must have been, once again with “enlightened kings” and whatnot. Where do that 30,000 BC number and Afghanistan come from? Why does he put Osama Bin Laden in the title?!?
He peddles the same old nation-vs-nation paradigm. He conflates all deities who come in pairs. But what do their many different names really mean? Does he even bother to check? He talks about different “tribes” of “merchants” and “warriors”, plus many other “tribes”, but in our time we’ve seen that spook life is all about arbitrary job-hopping.
And I’m really really wary about the false hope that the top spooks can be neatly divided into identifiable, separate clans, who eternally hate each other. With so much fake conflicts peddled to us, I’d become rather careful with that idea. They still may hate each other, and themselves, but not as different groups. I’d say Miles’ research rather shows that they’re all one huge interbred global mesh.
The most interesting clue to me is really the Sanskrit term पणि pani for “merchant”. I had found it before, plus many similar ones, and it may be the actual “incarnation” of the word Phoenicia in Sanskrit. But as for युध् yudh for “warrior”, I think the spook aristocrats never were “warriors”. They commanded the soldiers of whatever land they owned at any one time, and used them as cannonfodder for their profiteering. I think many Biblical “tribes” really refer to different aspects of ruling, not peoples. Same may go for all those “deities”, but we’d have to check.
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Definitely plenty to be skeptical of on that site. I just thought there might be some clues or links to work from, but I would obviously defer to your input on this topic and especially your study of the language(s) involved!
I’m gonna research the Afghani angle for more clues, but I’m not expecting anything groundbreaking. Just interesting.
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I too wondered why Osama was in the title, but I think that article was written shortly after 9/11.
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“He peddles the same old nation-vs-nation paradigm. He conflates all deities who come in pairs. But what do their many different names really mean? Does he even bother to check? He talks about different “tribes” of “merchants” and “warriors”, plus many other “tribes”, but in our time we’ve seen that spook life is all about arbitrary job-hopping.”
Interestingly, that’s the ‘Roman à clef’ in Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines (2004 vidya game), where all the vampire clans(aka spook families) are divided into neatly identifiable groups. But I agree these jokers are all about fronting.
I found this on the comment page on the Abraham pages.
The 12 Tribes of Ishmael
http://nabataea.net/12tribes.html
From the commenter:
“Hello,
I read your article on the Indian roots of Abraham. I was also researching this subject some time ago, and came to learn that the Hindu deity Shiva, is also known as Kedar. In fact, the Lord Shiva is worshipped in India at the Kedarnath Temple. What is intersting is that according to Arab traditions, and the Bible, Abraham’s son Ishmael also had 12 sons, amongst the 12 sons, who later formed the 12 Tribes of Ishmael, one son was named Kedar. Prophet Muhammad is his descendent, as are the 12 Imams. Muslims believe that the promised Mahdi will descend from this family.
Perhaps you may want to look into doing research on the history of the Ishmaelites, and why they have been forgotten in histroy and their heritage hidden and or covered up. Here is a good start, http://nabataea.net/12tribes.html
Also, did you know that according to Arab tradition, when Abraham settled in Iraq, he chose to live in the city of Noah, Kufa. It is on this same account that the Ishmaelite Imam, ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, the first Imam of the 12 Imams, made Kufa his capital. This is also why according to some traditions that Mahdi will also make Kufa a city of importance, and or maybe even his capital in the region.
I am not trying to preach to you, so please do not get that impression. I just wanted to share traditional knowledge with you which I had access to. “
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One more post, but I never seen a family tree like this:
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I’ve seen trees like this before, from the Mormons. But theirs are even worse, especially whenever you get into Mormon Mythology (their entire fabricated book, for example). But despite having the best genealogical records in the world (allegedly), they sure present things really sloppy.
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@Jared Magneson”
“…So we have the ancient Hebrew-Phoenies as metal smiths going way back, further than the Fertile Crescent allegedly, though I can find no confirmations of the timeline (and wouldn’t expect to, easily). Before the Bronze Age Phoenician states, there were Copper Age ones, basically. And of course you need copper to make bronze…”
Thanks Jared for posting a link to the article, ‘“The Phoenicians: What History Doesn’t Want You to Know”’ and while it is has some interesting ideas, there is little real evidence on which to base them. The bit about copper and bronze being is particularly dodgy as most of the tin found in bronze items comes from the south-west of England as there are/were plentiful supplies of both metals, often found in the same geological formations…
“One of the most enduring mysteries about ancient technology, Wilford wrote, is where did the metalsmiths of the Middle East [Mesopotamia] get the tin to produce the prized alloy that gave the Bronze Age its name? Digging through ruins and deciphering ancient texts, scholars found many sources of copper ore and evidence of furnaces for copper smelting. But despite their searching, they could never find any sign of ancient tin mining or smelting anywhere close to the copper rich areas.”
The nearest early tin mine found to date is in the Taurus Mountains of Turkey, over 700 miles away from where the copper was mined.
However, the occurrence of copper, tin and arsenic at exactly the same location in Cornwall is common and smelting these mixed metallic ores could easily lead to the accidental discovery of hard arsenical bronze as well as the more common tin/copper bronze alloy….
“Of around 1,530 mines producing metalliferous minerals in the county between the mid-nineteenth century and the First World War, about 380 derived income from the sale of more than one mineral, or approximately a quarter of the total. These multi-mineral producers included all of the major mines and accounted for more than four-fifths of the county’s total output. Of the multiple producers, over 260 mines sold both copper and tin ores in varying combinations, frequently in association with arsenic.”
The other issue which worries me about these ideas concerning the origins of the Phonytians, is that the Zionists seem to want to push Hebrews as founding fathers of civilisation and seem to be going to great lengths to find the archaeological evidence which supports their claim. The ‘Big Lie’ is always the easiest to get the public to swallow e,g, Apollo 11 man on the moon spoof. So more work needs tobe done on this topic.
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I agree with you for the most part, again, pending further research. For example it turns out that there’s plenty of mines going on in Afghanistan currently, and it’s been ramping up to Industrial levels since around 2010 – mostly at the investment and behest of US and UN-nation interests, it looks like.
There’s even a large tin mine in Daykundi Province, currently:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghanistan
Not that tin is terribly precious or valuable right now, but it’s THERE. It’s a pretty rare element though, ~2 parts per million on average, according to the assholes at the USGS. But it’s a pretty interesting atom:
https://www.nevyns-lab.com/mathis/app/AtomicViewer/AtomicViewer.php?metadata=false&element=50&position=0,0,75
But slightly more relevant is Afghanistan’s rather abundant copper mining:
“The government completed Afghanistan’s first railway with an investment of $170 million in 2010. The 76-kilometer (km) route link Mazar-i-Sharif to the extensive rail networks in Uzbekistan. The new route would allow Afghan exporters to transport minerals and other goods into Europe. China Metallurgical Group Corporation (MCC) is building a railroad to transport copper ore in Afghanistan from Logar to Kabul. ”
So we have Chinese (Jewish) interests building railroads for Afghani copper, right now. China is pretty big so it seems like there should be plenty of copper to be found there, and yet Afghanistan has enough to mine profitably. This might be an indication as to a shred of truth on that article, might mean nothing. Just some research.
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“So we have Chinese (Jewish) interests building railroads for Afghani copper, right now. China is pretty big so it seems like there should be plenty of copper to be found there, and yet Afghanistan has enough to mine profitably…”
Good example of how sovereign countries are stripped of their natural wealth, with the indigenous population living in poverty. and seeing no benefit The puppet government set up by the British/US cartel is doing a good job and getting plenty of cash in their back pockets for their treachery. Same thing happened in South Africa, with Mandela and the ANC allowing most of the country’s raw materials to be plundered, while the native people continue to live in poverty. Sadly what is, is what was.
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Talking of South Africa, I found this interesting document about the Boervolk:
http://www.faze.co.za/Restitution.pdf
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I too wondered just how much historical evidence has been ‘planted’ by them. I think this idea has been floated around before.
What’s the pros and cons of this? Meaning.. if they REALLY want to claim they are the founding fathers of human civilization and progress, why would they want to?
Pro: They take full responsibility for the past 5000 years or whatever length of time. Raking in all the credit.
Con: They take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the past 5000 years. And the last time I checked the numbers are still way stacked on the ‘have-nots’ side versus the haves. Plus all the manufactured conflicts, choke-hold put on all important resources, the destruction of native cultures and habitats, destruction of religion, splitting the family/sexes, mass polluting the environment, etc. Do they really want to do that?
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Indeed, these people would never take ACTUAL responsibility. That’s why they contrived the entire “anti-Semitism” movement, and whitewashed Jewish folk via the Holocaust as well. To place their own ancestors outside any real critique. To shame anyone who wants to delve. If you do, too loudly or in public, you are labeled RACIST immediately and thrown under the bus.
Here it’s safe to critique anything (topically), but in almost all “public” forums one cannot. At all.
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Woo weee.. I knew I would be tumbling down hole after hole after exploring that site. Damnit Jared.. lol.
Not trying to spin off the current conversations into many directions, but this was too good to pass up. I’m not sure what exactly is going on here (yet) but at least it’s fodder for future research/outings.
Another article on that site is about Mithras and Jesus. Tread VERY cautiously here.
http://www.viewzone.com/mithras.html
This one is by Flavio Barbiero, a former Italian Navy Admiral who also has a personal website AND an Italian wiki page. Probably a spook, but he does have a short bio on his site.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fit.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFlavio_Barbiero
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://www.altriocchi.com/H_ITA/pi5/discendenti/start_discendenti.html&xid=17259,15700021,15700186,15700190,15700256,15700259,15700262,15700265&usg=ALkJrhjJi7lWD-BU_QGE85PnWFABwurIvw
Long story short if you explore his pages and articles, Mithraism was the primary mystery cult used to infiltrate and undermine Rome’s institutions. Basically, a bait and switch into monotheism/Christianity.
“If there is a man, in history, able to rival in greatness with Moses, for genius, organizational ability, vision, culture, audacity and determination, these are Giuseppe Mattatia, better known with the acquired name of Josephus.
Joseph was a priest of the highest rank, belonging to the first of the 24 priestly families of Jerusalem, and within this to the most illustrious of the tribes. He was also related by his mother to the Hasmonean royal family.
He was a direct descendant of Moses, like all the “cohanim” (plural of “cohen” = priest), as shown in the section dedicated to his family .
After the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple, Joseph moved to Rome, along with a large group of high priests who, like him, had been saved by going over to the Romans, and giving them the treasure of the Temple.
In Rome, Giuseppe devised a strategy that over the course of three centuries was to lead to the total replacement of the ruling class of that very powerful empire that had destroyed the Jewish kingdom with the descendants of that group of priests.
There are two tools used by the family: the so-called cult of the “Sol Invictus Mitra”, a secret organization whose task was to infiltrate the imperial administration and the army; and the Church of Rome, which was reorganized according to the dictates of Paul of Tarsus, to whom Joseph was bound by a profound friendship .
At the end of the fourth century AD, the descendants of that group of priests made up almost all of the Roman Senate and, together with the Christian bishops, owned most of the lands and riches of the western empire.
The entire Roman population was Christianized and ruled by bishops endowed with almost real prerogatives in their seats, all of whom were chosen among the ranks of the senatorial class and continued to be so for at least another three centuries.
The interests and privileges of this class of landowners and of the Church were effectively defended by the barbarian populations of the Visigoths, Franks and Burgundians, who constituted as many permanent armies at limited cost, and who never expropriated them from their lands.
It was thus that they soon re-emerged as the dominant class, giving rise to the feudal nobility of the whole of Europe. The words of Giuseppe Flavio are well suited to it, at the beginning of his autobiography: “… as with each people there is a different foundation of nobility, so from us the excellence of the lineage finds confirmation in belonging to the priestly order:”
Giuseppe is the Italian name for Joseph.
Miles found a East -> West infiltration around the time of the Crusades, but it appears it was on-going for centuries prior.
Indeed if you read up on the history of the Saints, they almost all came from aristocratic and former senatorial families.
Hmmm this Josephus name though…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus
Titus Flavius Josephus (/dʒoʊˈsiːfəs/;[1] Greek: Φλάβιος Ἰώσηπος; 37 – c. 100),[2] born Yosef ben Matityahu
Mattatia… Mattityahu… are we dealing with the same guy here??
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I now think the Roman elites were assimilated by the Phoenies before the destruction of the Second Temple. Though the bells of cognitive dissonance ring loud in my head, I now suspect Cicero himself of misdirection when he long ago complained of the influence of Jews in Rome.
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“Though the bells of cognitive dissonance ring loud in my head…”
That’s a great line. I’ll borrow it if I may.
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Of course! And perhaps I subconsciously borrowed it from someone else.
Person #1: “What’s that awful racket coming from that website over yonder?”
Person #2: “Oh that’s just Cutting Through the Fog — it is full of clangers disabusing readers of every thing that they thought they knew. Bell-ringers really are bastards, aren’t they?”
No offence to any bell-ringers in the family; just pulling the cognitive bell-ringers around here 😀
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Disabused. A delicious word. Which has nothing to do with abuse ironically.
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This Italian guys site is a goldmine. Wow:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://www.altriocchi.com/H_ITA/pi5/discendenti/2_origine_giudaica.html&xid=17259,15700021,15700186,15700190,15700256,15700259,15700262,15700265&usg=ALkJrhhyO1qbprFBmaiSWxsuwYrLClfP5w
Scroll to the bottom to see all the heraldry symbols used by the Roman Jewish families.
Some standouts here like Perez, Cohen, de Rossi, Of Moses, Pappo, Gershom, Treves, and so on.
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yes,
also a goldmine, the comment at the end, signed by a David Living-stone :
“It explains a lot I was having trouble to understand, but I have a few differences that I’d like to share. First of all, ever since Cumont, the study of Mithraism has gone sideways. Scholars of our time do not share his breadth of knowledge, and fail to understand the basis of his conclusions.
So, modern scholarship believes that Mithraism was entirely an invention of the Roman period. However, what Cumont would have suggested is that Mithraism underwent several stages of evolution. At the earliest, Mithraism belonged to an occult tradition that drifted away from orthodox Zoroastrianism, mixing with it Babylonian astrology and magic, and likely developed in the 6th century BC.
These so-called “Magi” dispersed with the expansions of the Persian Empire. This explains why Heraclitus in the 6th century BC describes the “infernal” rites of the Magi, which the Dionysiacs imitated.
By contributing to Orphism, this early Magian cult of Mithras influenced the thought of Pythagoras and finally Plato. It is likely for this reason that beginning with Aristobulus in the third century BC, as with all the leading Jewish Kabbalists over the centuries, Plato was regarded as the godfather of their mysteries, and to have been a student of the Jews.
This Greco-Judaic philosophy laid the basis for the theology that eventually emerged as the Mysteries. One particular point of influence was the Mysteries of Merkabah, which became the basis of all the leading pagan mysteries, including Mithraism and Hermeticism, but also Gnosticism.
And the first clear instance of the worship of Mithras was with Antiochus I of COMMAGENE, where he was equated with Apollo and Helios.
Interestingly, the House of Commagene formed a curious dynastic network with several other important families. Namely, the Priest-Kings of Emesa in Syria, a traditional priesthood of Elagabalus, later known as Sol Invictus. The other family was the Claudio-Julia line that included Caesar, claiming descent from Aeneas. And finally, the House of Herod.
Curiously, these families would continue to intermarry over the centuries, and would produce a line of Emperors that would persist in attempts to impose the Elagabalus/Sol Invictus cult on the Empire, but failing to until the rise of Constantine.
What you have brought forward in your article clearly points out a hidden agenda, where these Mithraists appropriated the emerging Christian movement.
This is a common strategy that follows the occult all the way back to Plato. He put forward the notion of the “Noble Lie”, suggesting that the masses were too intellectually feeble to handle the truth, and therefore instead needed myths to be steered right.
Typical to all the leading occultists of the centuries, the same strategy has held true. That is, the need to infiltrate religions to undermine them from within. There, they usually preach that all exoteric religions share a single underlying esoteric “truth”. This is what was popularized during the Renaissance as the “Prisca Theologia”, or “Ancient Wisdom”, and continues to be the underlying basis of the ecumenical and one-world-relgion movements.
David Livingstone”
wouh!
seems that mister livingstone knows a lot about Magnus Spookerus !
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do you notice the
CUMONT
and
COMMAGENE
?
Cumont (dead 20/8/1947) was an eminent prof in university of Gand and member of most proéminent academia :
Académie royale des sciences de Suède
Académie royale des sciences, des lettres et des beaux-arts de Belgique
The Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Académie royale néerlandaise des arts et des sciences
Académie des inscriptions et belles-lettres
Académie roumaine
Académie bavaroise des sciences
Académie des sciences de Göttingen (1910)
Académie royale des sciences de Prusse (1911)
Académie autrichienne des sciences (1912)
Académie des Lyncéens (1922)
After receiving royal travelling fellowships, he undertook archaeology in Pontus and ARMENIA (published in 1906) and in Syria, but he is best known for his studies on the impact of Eastern mystery religions, particularly Mithraism, on the Roman Empire….
COMMAGENE
The Kingdom of Commagene was an ancient ARMENIAN kingdom of the Hellenistic period, located in and around the ancient city of Samosata, which served as its capital. The Iron Age name of Samosata, Kummuh, probably gives its name to Commagene.
Commagene has been characterized as a “buffer state” between Armenia, Parthia, Syria, and Rome;
culturally, it seems to have been correspondingly mixed.
The kings of the Kingdom of Commagene claimed descent from Orontes with Darius I of Persia as their ancestor, by his marriage to Rodogoune, daughter of Artaxerxes II who had a family descent from king Darius I.
The territory of Commagene corresponds roughly to the modern Turkish provinces of Adıyaman and northern Antep.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Commagene
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Yes I was hoping someone else saw that comment by a David Livingstone.
Although I think they are leaking some truth, I also believe we’re still being led around by the nose here. When coming across something like this, I ask myself 1) What’s the focus? and, 2) What’s missing?
I finally read that whole article on Mithraism and Jesus last night, and the focus was always on the “priestly families”. The priestly families, the priestly families…
What’s still missing from this narrative? The financiers and merchant families! Again!
Since religion is of no use to them anymore, they’re probably concluded they can let those old “priestly” families hang on this.
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These Italian symbols are all puns. What’s depicted is not important, but how you pronounce it, presumably in Hebrew / Phoenician.
We already figured out most of them. I’m still not sure about the lily, the five-petaled rose, and the rooster-dragon.
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‘Etymology
The word “dragon” derives from Greek δράκων (drakōn), “a serpent of huge size, a python, a dragon” and that from the verb δέρκομαι (derkomai) “to see clearly”.’
(source: https://mythology.wikia.org/wiki/Dragon)
Who sees clearly? A spy?
‘Jewish tradition poses the Rooster as an emblem of gallantry and honesty. They were so revered that temple officers were called “Rooster” as one of their titles. The Old Testament speaks of the officers has having a “cock girded about the loins”. (!)
Zoroastrianism adds even more honor to the Rooster considering it a symbol of the victory of light over darkness.’ (source: whatismyspiritanimal.com)
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COCK.
I use this site to look up a lot of catastrophist literature sources on various topics: http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/search.cgi?zoom_query
There’s nothing for Rooster, but there are 10 hits for Cock. Many or most such motifs come from mythology, which appears to be based on a far different sky than the present one. Planets etc were apparently very close to Earth. And electrical properties added to their appearances.
I noticed one source said Cock was connected with Mars, but I think there were several associations, not just with Mars.
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By the way, here is the webpage for their hits on Cock: http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/search.cgi?zoom_query=cock&zoom_per_page=25&zoom_and=1&zoom_cat%5B%5D=-1
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From what I know, the rooster is usually associated with mercury. For example see the wikipedia pages for the gods Mercury and Hermes (which of course are considered equivalent). Both pages have a special column on the right, and on that column one it has the symbols associated with Hermes/Mercury. The Mercury page even has a picture by Hendrik Goltzius about the symbols of Mercury. Also, see the Mercury card from the Mantegna Tarot.
The rooster is also associated with France. In Italian the word for rooster is gallo and in Latin is gallus. The words are very similar to Gaul, the supposed name for ancient French territories.
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Here is a short article about the symbolism of the rooster https://library.acropolis.org/the-symbolism-of-the-rooster/.
The mythological connection between the rooster and the Sun and Mercury can be explained by the fact that Mercury is always close to the Sun. The greatest angular distance is about 28 degrees (on average a zodiac constellation is 30 degrees). So Mercury looks like it is the herald for the Sun. Also, you can see Mercury only immediately before the dawn or immediately after the sunset (again due to the close proximity to the Sun). So it is easy to see why Mercury is associated with the rooster, especially Mercury at the dawn.
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In a previous comment I mentioned the Mercury card from the Mantegna tarot. Can somebody explain me the symbolism of the creepy head under Mercury. See this page for a good image https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1446887&partId=1&searchText=Tarot+Mantegna&page=1
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Good find on the dragon. I’ll have to cross-check Greek & Semitic Bible versions for it.
One main Semitic word for “rooster” is geber, which also means “manliness”, “force”, “might”, “power”, all derived from male-ness. That’s not much of a great pun though, and a bit unspecific.
There’s also a weird Sumerian word for rooster, tar-lugal, which was used in Akkadian & Aramaic, and lugal obviously means “king”. But I’m not sure if the late spooks still understood these ancient languages.
There’s many more words, and maybe there’s some more specific pun.
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Could it be (rooster = cockerel = cock = penis) perhaps? Both rise in the morning and are a sign of male dominance. The Hebrew word for penis is akrobustia (phonetic spelling ak-rob-oos-tee’-ah, perhaps a rooster in there somewhere? Sorry if this is unhelpful, but I do know the old spooks love their silly smutty puns!
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And the word root in rooster.
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The Orsini family crest has a 5-petaled red rose atop red and white diagonal lines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orsini_family
Miles in his henryvii.pdf wrote: ‘The Orsinis claim to descend from Julius Caesar, but no one believes that. I suggest they are crypto-Jews, like the Medicis and Morosinis. The Orsinis and Medicis intermarried several times.’
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The X-petaled flowers were also on that Flavio Barbiero site that Philip showed us. They also appear on Phoenician steles. There’s a even a scene in the Italian film Annibale where Victor Mature as Hannibal stands directly in front of such a petaled flower on a Carthaginian column.
I thought that it’s perhaps really just the petals that are meant, because if you reduce that word to PTL, then it’s the name “Naphtali”, as the N is just a prefix.
One problem I have with that solution is that I found no ancient Semitic word for “petal”. The other is that “Naphtali” officially has only negative meanings: “twisted” & “perverted”. It could be that it’s yet another of those “twisting” & “turning” words that were used to mean “financial exchange”.
Might be something different still, it’s one of my unsolved puns.
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What do you think about this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXo7xKF_Q1k (entitled Project MONOLITH – The Brain Of The Apocalypse – The History Hoax on the Andrew Dyson channel). This is an interview with John Le Bon. There is an additional video about the “War hoax”.
In a way the video is about the limits of historical revisionism or hyper-revisionism. After minute 29 they also discuss about the renaissance art. Maybe Mathis can write about the subject.
I am also interested in your opinion about John le Bon.
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http://sitejabber.com/reviews/johnlebon.com#1
Waste of time, imo.
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There are other people that are suspicious of John Le Bon. For example see the beginning of this article by Calcified Lies https://calcifiedlies.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/the-skeleton-key-911-the-millenium-monolith/#more-133 .
However, I do think that we should discuss some of the ideas promoted by John le Bon. Maybe Josh would say that he promotes a lot of ideas that belong to the “Operation fantasy land”. But if some of the ideas are bad, maybe we should combat it with better ideas.
At one point they talk about the paint not resisting more than 50 years (or maybe the canvas). This is in the territory of Mathis. In the video they didn’t mention this directly, but they seemed to hint at the book “Lives of the Most Excellent Painters, Sculptors, and Architects” by Giorgio Vasari. John le Bon likes to trace the written primary sources. Nonetheless, this is another thing that it is in the territory of Mathis. I also believe that we should take a closer look at many of medieval and renaissance people, including the famous painters, sculptors and architects.
John le Bon’s work is definitely more subtle than the work of people that talk about flat earth, reptilians, funny gematria, Alien UFO and other weak speculations. In the end he promotes the idea at looking closely at the written primary sources and the stories behind major events. There are a few things that I saw that made me think that le Bon is not sincere, but I wanted to hear people’s reaction first. Nonetheless, I think that some of his ideas deserve more scrutiny. People should not criticize only John le Bon the persona, but also the ideas promoted by him. And I have to say that one criticism is the fact that he seems to promote ideas, he doesn’t just impartially present these ideas ( or at least this is the way it appears to me).
I hope that this comment gives more context of where I stand and why I started this discussion. Of course, there are many other things that I can say but I will keep these thoughts for other comments ,assuming that this discussion continues.
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Bad vibes from Le Bon. After a 10 minute brows, it is my opinion that…
He uses a hundred words when a couple would have done.
He doesn’t believe Flat Earth, but also rejects a heliocentric solar system.
Believes in the Synchro crap, and accepts original texts as fact. He doesn’t admit that the Syncro observations are a result of the way the script works and doesn’t understand you have to make the broad assumption that all history (including written) is fake, as are all important events today – what is, is what was.
Being a Le Bon also doesn’t help his cause, with top royal connections to this name in the past and links to the spooky pop star Simon Le Bon family today, meaning I wouldn’t trust anything this obvious gatekeeper says.
Here is one of his family fauxographs…
https://tinyurl.com/y56b3d6d
I think his wife, Yasmin could also be a he/she…
https://tinyurl.com/y6jqcwvr
Just look at the size of her feet!…
https://tinyurl.com/y6x3tql4
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On JLB’s own website it says that he has made 30 videos “debunking” flat Earth as well as acting as host to multiple episodes of the Ball Earth Skeptic Roundtable podcasts and has also authored numerous articles on his website on the same topic. (link withheld as I don’t have the heart to promote this jerk).
For someone who supposedly doesn’t believe the flat Earth nonsense, he sure has talked about it a lot and isn’t that one of the purposes of the flat Earth hoax? To get people talking and arguing and confused about it?
Miles dismissed Flat Earth with a few words. Nothing more is needed.
When someone talks on and on endlessly about something, even something they supposedly disagree with, then they are actually promoting it, not debunking it. They are helping serve its purpose to distract and to muddy the waters.
And, yapping on endlessly (while saying practically nothing) seems to be a habit with JLB. It’s hard to believe anyone actually listens to or watches his painfully long podcasts and videos but I suppose a few do. Poor things. 🙂
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@Gerry:
rusian
Looks like the symbol adopted by the Rosicrucian secret society. Subrosa was an old English expression for having a confidential conversation, with with death being the agreed penalty of talking about it with any other person. Red roses, hearts and blood are intrinsically entwined.
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@Boris, about “subrosa”: That may be spot on, thanks for the tip.
You’ve seen the rose symbols on the crests, right? Hidden “under the rose” petals in red & white, there are those 5 and 6 pointed stars, disguised as green calyx leaves!
The “under the rose” idiom is derived from Latin, and I’d wager that “rose” is homonymous with something else in Latin or Greek, or even Phoenician. One possibility is Semitic ršm for sing, mark, symbol, prefigure.
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I searched ‘Miles Mathis’ at the John Le Bon site and it looks like they’ve done a podcast on him. The comments are closed and you need to register to listen, which I couldn’t be bothered to do right now, but I’m sure it will be revealing.
https://www.johnlebon.com/podcasts/jlb-member-skype-12-miles-mathis-population-hoax-18-mar-2018/
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Offensively controlled opposition. As its meant to be (trying to split the movement).
https://www.johnlebon.com/about/jlb-bio/
“Attacks on JLB
Owing largely to his interest in challenging popular narratives of both the mainstream and ‘alternative’ media/authorities, his relatively professional production values and manner of speaking, and willingness to work entirely independently from the various groups and cliques which dominate the online ‘alternative research’ landscape (not to mention his insufferable humility), JLB has earned a reputation from some quarters as a ‘paid shill’, allegedly sent by an intelligence agency to ‘discredit’ the ‘truth movement’.
Whereas he once attempted to calmly dispel these baseless, ad hominem attacks with reason and evidence, JLB now wears such accusations with pride, because his time in this scene has shown him that the majority of people involved in the so-called ‘truth movement’ are retarded. As in, literally retarded – or as JLB describes them, conspiritarded.
Those to have accused JLB of being a ‘paid shill’ include:
Simon Shack of September Clues and ‘Cluesforum’ fame
Jeffrey C of FreeRadioRevolution (now NewWorldAgenda)
Bob Knodel of GlobeBusters
Max Ratt of the Max Ratt Deconstruction Zone”
The majority of people in the truth movement are retarded, eh? Putting up a ‘cult of personality’ aura in his language. Hiding behind a paywall system? Why would you call your top members, Super Agents?
You’re witnessing controlled opposition at work here folks.
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about hierarchy of hoax, its not bad…
https://www.johnlebon.com/hoax-hierarchy/
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Actually that ‘hoax hierarchy’ is one of the most offensive parts.
You see what he’s doing here? “Baby” hoaxes, “Toddler”, hoaxes, “Teeny”, etc.
Here and everyone else on that site he is trying to be as condescending as possible. Remember their #1 goal is to delay the revolution, the second to delay the revolution, and and the third is also to delay the revolution. He’s trying to paint this all as unappealing as possible, he is an obvious sellout due to the paywall he set up, and generally mucking it all up (on purpose) like rolleikin said. The fact he has a long video freely up on CIA-controlled YT is another huge red flag.
Also one of his “members” is Tokarski listed there. The PoM controlled-op guy who said his cousin is CIA.
But you can tell this particular network has had their jimmies rustled, since this is all they can do. They are Freudian slipping up all over this site, and they can barely hide their contempt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems
Folks need to get really familiar with their Sun Tzu ‘bibles’ that they use. Especially pay attention to Chapters 2, 4, and 6. They’re using ‘Chain Strategems’ and they adjust as they deem necessary.
This evil shit is why the world has devolved into a ‘war of all against all’.
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@Phil, it was Tokarski’s ex-wife’s brother 🙂
Rumor has it, that “John le Bon” or “John bin Gustave” (his fake name at cluesforum) is an Alumni of the posh private Xavier College in Melbourne, so his contempt for normal, regular, working class people is very real I fear.
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Having “Closed Comments” on a site like that is an absolute bitch move. It’s not like Miles’ site, which is a repository of essays. It’s effectively just a marketing dodge. Any and every blog site should have comments as an option – the only reason not to is to stifle and corral the would-be-readers.
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I looked a little more and the guy actually has TWO tiers of subscription, and two more for passers-by:
Availability
Full Green = Full Member
Light Green = Part Member
Sky Blue = Freeloader Member
Pink = Public
Hell, that’s worse than Adobe or Autodesk. Another sure sign of a con, as well as controlled opposition. A real “truth seeker” wouldn’t slang his troof on the streets like a common whore. It’s not a service, it’s a QUEST.
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@LeakyGut, I don’t know what that link proves? One bad review is nothing. The only interesting thing is that the contact details given don’t match those on his website, and the phone code +44 is UK when JLB is Australian. But I don’t think you were referring to that. I have no firm opinion on the man yet, but $60 AUD registration fee to access most of his material for just one month is a steep price, and certainly enough to make a skeptic skeptical of the skeptic! The brief glimpses of his work I’ve looked at so far seem OK, but it’d be crazy if they didn’t given he’s trying to convince you to pay up. (Hey, if an honest truther can earn some money in the process good luck to them, it’d actually be fantastic, but I’m sure the man himself would understand the skepticism it promotes).
I like his research method of tracking the references of ‘historical’ documents, only to find they often lead them back to one untrustworthy source – its a great way to blow a whole line of research. Don’t have much else to say at this stage. Don’t know enough about painting to know how well the materials could realistically be expected to hold up. However noticeably the ’50 years’ timescale – which the bloke says is just a guess anyway – is without varnish. Varnish would almost certainly effect the longevity of the paints, but how it effects the canvas I don’t know. Hopefully Miles sees this and can chime in.
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John le bon is now a regular commenter over at PoM. His paper ‘debunking’ the Cavendish experiment pales in comparison to Miles’ analysis of that experiment. John says it’s a ridiculous experiment that really can’t be taken seriously. That’s about the extent of it iirc. The whole ‘I’m don’t believe in FE but I’m curious and/or open-minded and/or think they raise some good points is the line they always use to lure people in.
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Good find. I didn’t bother looking far beyond his asking price. It was clear everything about his site was geared towards that. Unfortunately there are probably some who pay up.
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Here is Andrew Dyson talking about painting pigments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf77qDF-9e4 . The relevant stuff starts around min 10. Maybe Mathis can respond to the claims presented in this video. It would be an interesting topic in my opinion.
BTW, what’s up with the almost 5 minute introduction. The introductory music is about 4 minutes. This is a bit excessive.
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Breaking Reality, huh? I much prefer my writers to put it back together, thank you very much!
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« Blessing for some, curse for others, his flaming feathers make him dream more than one, and his legend will mark forever the spirits of those who will come to try to see him. »
this is how is presented an event called « firebird » at our well known cinderella castle in France…. you remember ? the De Menthon famille, 1000 years leading this county, Disney copying their castle to design cindirella’s one ?
the great St. bernard Pass, and all what i wrote about these people ?
this is happening in july and august, now
https://www.lac-annecy.com/fete-et-manifestation/1/5297285-soirees-estivales-au-chateau-l-oiseau-de-feu.html
even if you don’t read french, just scroll and have a look to the picture 🙂
Annecy is a nice abjad anagram of Canaan
CNN
NNC
this town is a spook town… white cross on red background of savoie and black eagle on red tower of maurienne
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Blason_Maurienne.svg
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Near the end of AS4, Miles mentioned his thought that something was being hidden about the Sea Peoples and the Late Bronze Age Collapse. There’s also been some discussion above of the Bronze Age, and I wanted to turn the spotlight on its beginning. As it encompasses more than a third of recorded history, you’d think we’d all know more about it, huh?
Let me draw your attention by beginning before the beginning with the Chalcolithic. Already with the misdirection! Why do they not just call it the Copper Age as previously? It’s another shim. The Copper Age is named after copper, but do you know what copper is named after? The “Native copper” wiki tells us it “comes from the Greek kyprios, ‘of Cyprus’, the location of copper mines since pre-historic times.” Isn’t that the island at the (dead, black) heart of future Phoenicia?
And how far back does the Chalcolithic go? From its wiki: “The Timna Valley contains evidence of copper mining in 7000–5000 BC.” The mainstream can’t be bothered to pin down when the Bronze Age began, but you might see a figure of about 3500 BC. So we’re supposed to believe that for 1500-3500 years no one got hold of any tin and wondered what would happen if you mixed it in with copper. Just a bunch of incurious ignoramuses.
But who was that first ignoramus that did it, perhaps even accidentally? Maybe it was a guy from Cornwall around 3500 BC, just trying to smelt copper and–whoops!–getting some tin in there too. Totally possible! But the conundrum here is that the mainstream holds Bronze Age Britain didn’t begin until 2500 BC. You can make up some scenario where the Phoenicians steal his IP, suicide him, and never get back around to selling bronze in Britain for a thousand years but, c’mon, really?
Moving to the Bronze Age itself and it’s wiki, examining the dates by region tells you that it began anywhere from 3300-3100 BC. That is to say, it ripped across the whole of the Eurasian landmass in 200 years. I thought we just saw how stupid they all were. But now they’re reverse-engineering alloys and securing transcontinental supplies of tin?
You may be thinking, “The Phoenicians just trafficked the technology and materials, and sold it to everyone, to ensure continuous warfare and promote arms sales.” Think so? Bronze weapons and armor would have been “war decisive”, a Wunderwaffe of the time. Don’t you think the Phoenicians would have done anything and everything to secure the tech and tin sources? And then after that just equip mercenary super-soldiers to go tear-assing around the world taking anything they wished, enslaving all they cared to, and slaughtering any who objected? I do.
“They were too moral and ethical for that,” you say. Then we just have to look at the end of the Bronze Age, where the collapse came because the (ahem) “Sea Peoples” destroyed most all civilization in the eastern Mediterranean and Near East. Most of the cities were stomped so hard they were never reinhabited.
So where am I going with all this? For me, it puts a stake in the heart of the paradigm that the Phoenicians gradually (or even quickly) evolved to dominate human society, and have just been making in-jokes to each other ever since. The way the deal went down in the Bronze Age just does not seem to fit naturally. Yeah, you can make it fit since the narrative is made up mostly of holes, but I find that unsatisfying..To me, they seem like bishops and knights: at a higher level than us pawns but still being moved around the game board by more powerful forces. And not kings, and certainly not the intelligences that are actually engaged in playing.
As a parting shot, remember when Gerry in AS4 discussed the GBL word root and it’s associations? He may have missed one. From the “Gibil” wiki: “In some versions of the Enûma Eliš [Babylonian creation myth] Gibil is said to maintain the sharp point of weapons, have broad wisdom, and that his mind is ‘so vast that all the gods, all of them, cannot fathom it’. Some versions state Gibil, as lord of the fire and the forge, also possesses wisdom of metallurgy.” Hm.
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This reminds me of something in the Bible which I figure was written by the phonies.
Genesis 4:22
Zillah also bore Tubal-cain; he was the forger of all instruments of bronze and iron. The sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
Thought by many to be the same with Vulcan, his name and business agreeing; for the names are near in sound, Tubalcain may easily pass into Vulcan; and who, with the Heathens, was the god of the smiths, and the maker of Jupiter’s thunderbolts, as this was an artificer in iron and brass, as follows: his name is compounded of two words, the latter of which was no doubt put into his name in memory of Cain his great ancestor; the former Josephus reads Thobel, and says of him, that he exceeded all in strength, and had great skill in military affairs:an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron;he taught men the way of melting metals, and of making armour and weapons of war, and other instruments, for various uses, out of them; and he seems to be the same with the Chrysor of Sanchoniatho; for he says of them (Agreus and Halieus) were begotten two brothers, the inventors of iron, and of working of it: one of these, called Chrysor, is said to be Hephaestus or Vulcan; and Chrysor, as Bochartus seems rightly to conjecture, is (rwa-vrx) , “Choresh-Ur, a worker in fire”; that, by means of fire, melted metals, and cast them into different forms, and for different uses; and one of these words is used in the text of Tubalcain; and so, according to Diodorus Siculus, Vulcan signifies fire, and was not only the inventor of fire, but he says he was the inventor of all works in iron, brass, gold, and silver, and of all other things wrought by fire, and of all other uses of fire, both by artificers and all other men, and therefore he was called by all (pur) , “fire”.
(Here is the part about Cypress)
Clemens of Alexandria ascribes the invention of brass and iron to the Idaeans or priests of Cybele in Cyprus; and so Sophocles in Strabo:
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@Matt, very good points about both Bronze & Copper Age. I also like that you challenge my paradigm that some group came to dominate the world and has just been playing wit their own assets ever since.
I know that this paradigm is mightily unpopular with many of you. I find it unsatisfying myself. I originally titled my paper “Spook Origins”, and wanted to find out how the spooks initially crushed all other forces. But I never found a hint of those other forces. There’s plenty of official wars, but the stories all have the same fishy smell about them, then as now. But you’re right, the gaps are huge, and I may have filled them wrong.
Here’s my reasoning why I didn’t go further into the Late Bronze Age Collapse, why I follow the “no real opposition” paradigm, and why so far I’m not entirely convinced of the “Destruction by Sea Peoples” theory:
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My theory is similar but it rests on the idea of the ‘Ruling Families vs. Everybody else’.
As the centuries marched on and the ruling families were grafting their clans onto one gigantic tree, they had less and less of any real reason to actually fight each other. Blood is blood as it’s said, plus fighting is bad for business (unless it’s war business). And as Miles noted once, there seems to be certain “Jewish” or spook-ish Rules of Combat. The # 1 rule being that not any one of them is to fuck it up for the rest of the Families.
I do believe the Dark Ages represented a partial loss of control for them. Mainly due to three reasons 1) Social collapse due to the insanely corrupt Roman Empire, 2) The Bagaudae revolts (which reads like a true revolt due to how they’ve been memory-holed), due to reason # 1, and 3) The Justinian Plague.. I’m thinking the merchant classes would suffer the greatest devastation compared to any other group, with a serious plague like that.
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First, the Sea Peoples are mostly a modern theory that rests on little archaeological evidence and just a few primary sources.
As for the archeology: The main victim of the Collapse was supposed to be the Old Hittite empire (the Biblical Hittites being “Neo”-Hittites). But since I wrote my papers, Miles has found out that the double-headed eagle is really a phoenix. I have further analyzed that word now and can totally confirm it. Yet many of the double-headed eagle symbols, or phoenixes, are dated to the OLD Hittite empire. So they couldn’t have been straightforward enemies, much as I’d have liked them to.
As for the primary sources: It’s mostly these 2:
1) Egyptian texts, of which I’ve already shown you evidence that they read like the Egyptian elites were in on some scam: The Egyptians say they defeated the Sea Peoples, but then arm them and integrate them into their own armies, even fight battles with them which they then lose. Doesn’t pass the smell test.
2) The so-called “Amarna letters”, which depict all Phoenician lords as bickering little underlings of some overlord who’s implied to be Egyptian. They constantly snitch & backstab, even physically assault each other. Then they’re swallowed up by some implied invasion. All this didn’t feel right to me. When I tried to verify the cuneiform of one letter, I found that it had been switched in the museum, i.e. the fragment on display is not the one analyzed by the original translators. That makes the whole batch suspicious.
So, the primary textual sources are also rather a hint in the direction that something is very fishy about the entire Sea Peoples paradigm.
As for the archaeological findings of destruction layers: If someone has an idea on how to verify those, we could still try that one.
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Second, and more importantly, everything that came after The Collapse doesn’t look like non-spooky, heads-on textbook warfare, if you read between the lines. It’s like with the shooting hoaxes: If they just tell you someone got shot, you can’t debunk it very well. But whenever details are provided, they don’t quite match up.
I don’t deny that wars are very real and kill actual people. And if there’s a spook “onion”, then many of the lesser spooklings may also be told they’re part of some big eternal battle or somesuch. But I don’t see that these fights are real on a live-or-death level to the top spooks: They don’t behave like they were ever afraid of wars.
Some of the most brutal & straightforward conquests, with exactly that type of “Wunderwaffe” superiority you talked about, happened in the modern colonial age: European colonists brought giant armies, guns & cannons, the few defenders were armed with spears & bows. You stand a tiny chance in Hollywood movies, but none in reality.
And even here, with these overwhelming odds, the spooks worked by infiltration, first secretly hooking the native elites to their own banner, and then crushing the population from both sides. Here on the CTTF forum, we found evidence of traitorous, spooked leaders sealing the fate of their Aztec, Inca, and Guatemala city states.
The last straw for me was the “Dances with Spooks” guest paper, where Phil showed that even the North American natives of the great plains were spooked by leaders within their own ranks! If there was one known society were a spooky assault should have failed I would’ve thought it’s the small nomadic tribes, without those steep hierarchies, without stone walls for corrupt people to hide behind, with communities where everyone knew everyone else, where leaders were still only experienced elders & seniors, who’d share the fate of “their” people. That’s how I’d envision humanity in the Bronze Age outside the “great” civilizations. If spookery worked even there, it’d seem to work everywhere. I don’t know what to think anymore.
Again, my point is not that “Phoenicians” were “too moral and ethical” for brute-force mass-conquest and enslavement. Quite the opposite, they’re quite capable of that both morally & financially. I’m not saying weapons & violence were never used. I’m just saying it seems they were never used against an opponent that wasn’t already half-conquered or fully owned by other means.
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I find that the closer we get to the present, the less I trust any sources. (Tiny example: Meriwether Lewis’s journals are definitely NOT the originals. What did they really find?) At least with ancient sources, it was literally carved in stone, right? But seriously, there is compelling, widespread, and quite disturbing evidence (IMO) that the last 200 years of history have been totally made up, and who knows how much farther back it goes. How much of the most famous person of the 20th Century, Adolf Hitler, is just made up pictures?
I haven’t seen anyone mention these topics on this forum but I’d direct people to start by looking up, say, “mud flood”, “tartaria”, and “star forts”. Everyone has to judge for themselves, but for me it’s like all of us and our history textbooks got jerked out of our dimension to an alternate earth where a bunch of stuff exists that just shouldn’t, with no trace to be found in mainstream historical narratives. If you accept the evidence, as I have, you’ll find that while the spook problem as discussed is very bad indeed, the damage is far greater than you ever imagined. And it’s no better if the evidence was faked—if they’re capable of that and are that far ahead, well, we’re toast.
This is all far too big a can of worms to be discussed here but I felt I should mention it.
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To a certain extent but there is reality and the spooks cannot completely obliterate it. Miles has shown that logic and common-sense can either expose the lies or shine a new light on existing evidence. But I agree with your main point — the lies have grown exponentially and we are living in a total matrix. I see people mesmerized by media even though each news story they just watched/listened to (whether national or international) is deeply suspect and probably a lie. I’m literally shouted at if when I point this out.
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Gad, I’m so obtuse. “To a certain extent” is complete rubbish. I agree with you that to the fullest extent possible, all the mainstream knowledge that we are exposed to is manipulated, rigged or made-up.
What I was trying to say is that even given this sorry state of affairs, Miles has shown the way to extract some understanding of the truth. It is not all bleak.
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Speaking of nomadic infiltration, I was checking out Genghis Khan today (I would start here for that rabbit hole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borjigin and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan#Basaraba) and found this. I knew the cat had to be out of the bag for a while.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_antiquity
If someone can read French this guy might be worth checking out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Settipani
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If you’re getting into researching the Mongols, let me fire off a couple of warning flares. One is that (so I heard) virtually everything known about the Mongols comes from a single book: “The Secret History of the Mongols”. That book only appears in the public record, so to speak, in 1915. Spidey-sense tingling yet?
Another item I picked up along the way concerns the prototype Mongols, Genghis Khan and his grandson Kublai Khan. The mainstream shows them to you as clearly Asian but according to the earliest descriptions and depictions they were white guys record scratching sound. I see no reason not to assume all the other Mongols were white as well. See Rashid al-Din and Marco Polo for their accounts.
But you’re wondering, “Who would care what these chumps were up to in Central Asia hundreds of years ago? What was there to cover up?” Enter “Tartaria”, or the “Empire of Tartary”. Polo in fact refers to Genghis as “Lord of the Tartars”. But they just had sauce, right? Wrong.
Research is very, very new on this but it seems that there was a huge empire covering Asia and perhaps even North America (and I suspect it was global) that has been nearly extirpated from history. You might check stolenhistory.org, reddit.com/r/Tartaria, and Sylvie Ivanowa’s NewEarth channel on YouTube for more. Pull down on your lap bar before doing so, and the ride does not return to this station.
Finally, notice how the Mongols are characterized by the mainstream as violent savages and historical villains? Have we not seen how all historical events are inverted, turned on their heads? My thesis on Tartaria is that powerful forces completely wiped out a whole group of probable good guys and wish us to believe–to the extent we are aware of them at all–that they were only bad, bad people. And looking at the world around us, it doesn’t seem like the good guys won, does it?
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Thank you for all this Matt. Looks like fascinating stuff.
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Genghis Khan has been depicted with green eyes and red hair, not unlike those ancient white mummies found in China:
https://redhairedroots.com/2019/01/redhead-mummies-chinas-ancient-secret-uncovered/
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Good stuff thanks for the heads up.
No reason for us to buy into the mainstream reading of of the Mongols and Genghis. My initial assumption is that Genghis was a Chinese plant created from the ruling Han (and spooky) Families at the time.
Right now, I’m not really sure where to draw the line when it comes to Chinese/Indian history and where the infiltration began or how many latter invasions there were. I assume it started pretty early just as it did in the West. Hell I can barely pronounce most Chinese and Indian words and their cultures are still hard to penetrate. I’ve read the Chinese language is as deep and complex as any other, full of puns and other cultural subtleties.
Some have said it ‘look to the East’ or claimed it all started in the East, but I’m not ready to make any hard claim on that (yet). I’m thinking we need to stop thinking in terms of geography. These spooks have always seen nations,clans,tribes as just another front to them, so it’s more accurate to think in terms of family relations and ‘realpolitik’ when trying to expose them.
One of the reasons I slowed down on researching ancient history is finding out just how all these Medieval scholars deliberately drew the ancient writers to be as Jewish or Semitic looking at as possible. I feel like all these medieval writers and scholars need fully shaken down first before I proceed. I do think Miles is right in the view that history is a ‘palimpsest’, meaning the underlying structure is still there but all the details, names, relations, and dates have been scrambled to suit their purposes. Studying these genealogy trees it seems they take their blood lines very seriously, which would lead me to believe that not all of history is total fiction.
Interesting you mention Tartary. I know of the Tartars (and it’s fuzzy definitions) but I didn’t know they had their own continent spanning empire.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/1806_Cary_Map_of_Tartary_or_Central_Asia_-Geographicus–Tartary-cary-1806.jpg/1920px-1806_Cary_Map_of_Tartary_or_Central_Asia–Geographicus-_Tartary-cary-1806.jpg
One reason I linked up that page on the Borjigin dynasty is that later down its said they…
“The senior Borjigid provided ruling princes for Mongolia and Inner Mongolia until the 20th century.
…
“The Borjigit clan had once dominated large lands stretching from Java to Iran and from Indo-China to Novgorod.”
Wait, what?! All the way to Java?! These nomadic horsemen had an empire all the way into Indonesia? Preposterous.
And the name Borjigin it sounds so familiar. Possibly a variant on a spook family name we have covered before?
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Futhermore there is the Secret History of the Mongols, but back in 2010 Jack McIver Weatherford (” ..former DeWitt Wallace Professor of anthropology at Macalester College in Minnesota. He is best known for his 2004 book, Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World. In 2006, he was awarded the Order of the Polar Star, Mongolia’s highest national honor for foreigners. “) released a book called The Secret History of the Mongol Queens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_History_of_the_Mongol_Queens
“Weatherford suggests in the introduction that the unknown censor who deliberately cut away part of The Secret History of the Mongols did so in order to obscure Mongol women who became too powerful. Only a small part of the text written by Genghis Khan in 1206 when he was proclaimed Qaghan of the Mongols, remains: “Let us reward our female offspring”. However, external sources yielded impressions of these women and their accomplishments.
The Persian chronicler Rashid al-Din wrote that “there are many stories about these daughters”, and promised that “if the reader pays attention everything will be understood.” Weatherford further suggests that traces of the Mongol queens have indirectly appeared in the diplomatic reports of the Chinese court, letters to the Vatican, Muslim histories, royal Armenian chronicles, the memoirs of merchants such as Marco Polo, texts carved into the stones of Taoist temples,[3] and in the rhymes of Chaucer and the arias of Puccini. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid-al-Din_Hamadani
Rashid-al-Din Hamadani or Rashīd al-Dīn Ṭabīb (Persian: رشیدالدین طبیب), also known as Rashīd al-Dīn Faḍlullāh Hamadānī (رشیدالدین فضلالله همدانی, 1247–1318), was a statesman, historian and physician in Ilkhanate-ruled Iran.[1] He was born into a Persian Jewish family from Hamadan.
This is what I mean when I say we need to shake down all these old writers first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altan_Tobchi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdeniin_Tobchi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Muhammad_Haidar_Dughlat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ming
All his sources and writers have some serious red flags.
“The Qing deliberately excluded references and information that showed the Jurchens (Manchus) as subservient to the Ming dynasty, from the History of Ming to hide their former subservient relationship to the Ming. The Veritable Records of Ming were not used to source content on Jurchens during Ming rule in the History of Ming because of this.[2]”
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@Gerry, I’m glad to hear you’re going to be looking into the Egyptian angle on this, because I think there is much to be learned. We’re all counting on you for the heavy lifting with ancient languages and I have found your work invaluable.
For those of us pushing forward with research into the ancient world, where evidence gets so very thin, I would suggest you pay attention to the theophoric names to help figure out who might be on what team. Lest anyone think that this necessitates some sort of belief in ancient deities, let me offer an illustration.
Suppose you walk into a bar in San Francisco before a big Forty-niners home game and the bar is filled with fans wearing Niners jerseys. You personally find all professional sports irrelevant and even detrimental to society, but you can safely conclude the following: these people do find football important, they feel a level of affinity for the team and each other, and none of them necessarily knows anything at all about gold mining. And when a couple of guys wearing Oakland Raiders jerseys walk in, there may be some level of antipathy. Trouble may even break out. So is it so simple that often these ancient kings are wearing team jerseys?
I’ve identified two teams from this time period in Egypt: Team Amun Ra and Team Ptah. Because it’s easier for most of us to deal with polarities, let’s provisionally say the former are the “bad guys” and the latter the “good guys”. We’ll see if this all holds up.
The mainstream tells us that Pharoah Merneptah (“Beloved of Ptah”) reigned from 1213-1203 BC. (It already starts off oddly because he had 12 older brothers who all died before him.) Anyway, he successfully fought the Sea Peoples, but then two connections spectacularly fail to be made: first, that this was probably the opening act of the Late Bronze Age Collapse, and second, that this was directly after he succeeded Ramesses II. You may remember him as Ramesses the Great, the guy who could not find a statue big enough to match his ego. Ramesses means “Born of Ra”.
But were the Sea Peoples necessarily on anyone’s team? The Merneptah Stele tells us, “The wretched, fallen chief of Libya, Meryre [“Beloved of Ra”], son of Ded, has fallen upon the country of Tehenu….” The Athribis Stele also records Merneptah dreaming of Ptah handing him a sword, and also that for the Sea Peoples, “Amun was with them as a shield.” Whatever that means.
There followed a very tumultuous period, including 5 rulers in 27 years, where it seems like the two teams were wrestling for control. Then in 1186 BC it looks like Team Amun Ra emerged victorious with—guess who?—Ramesses III, who reigned for 31 years.
But wait! Ramesses III himself fought the Sea Peoples! Maybe so, but we find some odd items on his wiki page, such as “Ramesses III incorporated the Sea Peoples as subject peoples and settled them in southern Canaan. Their presence in Canaan may have contributed to the formation of new states in this region such as Philistia….” It somehow makes me think of “Haavara Agreement”, another settlement project in Canaan 3200 years later.
Also from his page they admit that, “The heavy cost of these battles slowly exhausted Egypt’s treasury and contributed to the gradual decline of the Egyptian Empire in Asia.” But three paragraphs up we were told that he “defeated them in two great land and sea battles.” Just how long were these battles such that they slowly drained the treasury? I think we all get the con here.
Most tellingly for this crowd, he constructed the “Medinet Habu Temple” with big giant carvings commemorating his great victory over the Sea Peoples. They apparently didn’t have YouTube to promote their super true “well documented violent events” in those days.
So does the thesis hold? Is the suggestion helpful?
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Sorry again, but I don’t think that the ancient elites believed in gods, and I don’t think they can be neatly divided into large warring factions. I know that’s also unpopular, but it’s what I’ve come to believe for the moment.
As for Amun & Ptah, their names mean “hidden” & “open”. For Amun that’s even official, for Ptah the meaning of “building” is the official one.
If we were being creative, we could view your perceived 2 factions as planners who advocated for ruling “secretly” vs. “openly”, with the “secret” faction ultimately being more successful. Though I suppose the “open” faction was not about “open government”, but rather about “openly” showing your power and “openly” having yourself worshipped as a god by the masses, who are “openly” whipped into reverential prostration. So, not sure which side I’d have rooted for.
As for Ra as in Amun-Ra, I’m not sure what that’s supposed to be. Ra means “sun”, and a “hidden sun” or “secret sun” sun doesn’t make any sense. The closest homonymous spook-word I found is “administration”. It may even be related via: sun > light > door > large building > administration. All are pronounced a bit like Ra. But it’s all still speculation on my part. In your context however, Amun-Ra as a “hidden administration” fits perfectly.
Note I’m not saying “the Egyptians” became our spooks. I just think ancient elites all over the world may have converted from “open” tyrants into “hidden” tyrants, presumably “like” those Egyptian factions, if they’re really that.
We’d need to analyze more details though, if this is to become anything more than speculation. Sadly, my Egyptian isn’t yet good enough for “heavy lifting”, and the primary Egyptian sources are scattered & hard to find, unlike the Biblical texts.
My theory that all Egyptian gods were just puns is probably also not very popular. 😉
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I might be totally wrong but when I saw hidden sun, I instantly thought of Moon.
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“I might be totally wrong but when I saw hidden sun, I instantly thought of Moon.”
Made me think of big volcanic eruptions, blotting out the Sun and bringing on many years of famine. With around 6 super-volcano eruptions over the last 5,000 years or so, One of the biggest on the China Korea border 946 AD and New Zealand 232 AD.
Heap big years ago, around 1640 BC there was a huge eruption in Greece. Many smaller ones along the way but these huge ones would cause widespread political/population changes. How do those dates tie in?
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MONRA(forestal) is … the Trademark of Talleres Ramón Castro.
https://www.monraforestal.com/index.php/en/
They cut trees !!! (oh my dear sequoia)
may be they want Earth to look like king valley in louxor 😦
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Ebby MOONRA has the answer to all your questions about health 🙂
http://ca.viadeo.com/fr/profile/ebby.moonra
“…curator and director of EXODEUS perfumery, high-quality body care products from organic and wild natural sources.
Growing up in a natural environment in the Frelighsburg Valley in Quebec and enjoying a healthy diet during all my growth, it was clear that as an adult I continue this path of beauty and well-being.
The scents, colors, flavors, textures and sounds of nature have created in me a passion revealing EXODEUS.
Being fashion model for twenty years I traveled a lot.
Photography, painting and singing helped me to recognize myself and pursue my spiritual quest.
The EXODEUS perfumery was born primarily from my personal need to use natural and organic products.
The cosmetics market that does not meet my criteria by offering products from synthetic and often toxic sources left me with no choice but to create a collection of perfumes and body care products myself. The world of natural essences inspires me and fascinates me as psychically as therapeutic.
EXODEUS products awaken the five senses and make us feel a sense of absoluteness…”
What does she mean by EXODEUS ? migration is exodus, not Ex O Deus
Or is this a clue ?
exodus of ex-deus, from egypt to canada ?
yes, i can believe that the line from Amun-Ra is now comfortable in canaa-da
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here a translation (sorry if it’s not perfect) of french wiki about Joseph Davidovits (vits = fitz = son of), a french engineer who bear the theory of egyptian pyramids build in molded stone. He has also an interesting theory about old spookery…
linking amenophis to joseph…
Specialist in Roman concretes, Davidovits is also a lover of Egypt’s history and is the author of essays where he develops theories on the construction of Egyptian pyramids made of Reacted Stone or on the origins of the Israelites. recognized by the scientific community, not published in books or peer-reviewed journals.
Theory on the construction of Egyptian pyramids made from molded stones
According to Joseph Davidovits, the clayey limestone, naturally present on the construction site, was broken up in water and then mixed with a binder consisting essentially of natron and lime. This mixture, poured into the molds, would have solidified to form a reagglomerate stone, as solid as a natural stone. Joseph Davidovits and his team performed life-size stone molding experiments, which demonstrated the feasibility of the method.
This theory attempts to provide answers to the difficulties associated with the transport, lifting, or very tight adjustment of the blocks, as well as other questions deemed insoluble, such as the manufacture of statues and hard stone vases. fine forms and the appearance of neat surface, which seem impossible to achieve by cutting methods, especially at a time when the tools were stone and copper.
Theory of the origin of the Israelites
The relevance of this section is questionable. Consider its contents carefully. Improve it or discuss it. (May 2017)
Joseph Davidovits uses his recent knowledge of geopolymer science and geopolymerization chemistry to understand some ancient civilizations. He thus makes a transfer of knowledge between hard science (this new chemistry) and archaeological science. His approach is isolated, and claims to rely on technological data that would be unknown to archaeologists, Egyptologists or archaeologists. His essays on these subjects do not know any validation or recension among specialists and have never been the subject of publications in peer-reviewed journals.
In three of his works, Davidovits asserts that the events reported in the Bible about the Hebrews’ passage into Egypt and their flight to Canaan have a historical basis: the Hebrew people were originally found to be members of the Semitic clan. Amenophis Son of Hapu, originally from Mittani, came to Egypt with his family; King Amenhotep III entrusted him with immense powers; Davidovits thinks that the Patriarch Joseph was none other than Amenophis Son of Hapou, the most eminent scribe and scholar of Egypt, grand chancellor and builder of the Pharaoh. This would be the origin of a specific spiritual tradition centered around his memorial Temple. From this family group of Aménophis Fils de Hapou, would come the leaders of the religious movement that sought to impose, with Pharaoh Akhenaton, monotheism in Egypt. After the death of this king, the partisans of monotheism were oppressed, then expelled from Egypt in two waves: some were first exiled in the border zone of Judea and Samaria where a member of Joseph’s family was governor in the city that will become Jerusalem; then in a second wave, the descendants of the craftsmen who had built the monotheistic capital, El Amarna, called the Hebrers, and descendants of Joseph-Amenophis’s family group, joined their cousins already established in Canaan. The Bible would evoke these events: the fact that it does not describe the period from the arrival of Joseph to the exile of the Hebrews, which would require to develop collaboration with the Egyptian religious and political authorities, would be voluntary and plead according to him in the sense of his thesis. Joseph Davidovits puts forward and links together a series of attested facts in the sense of his thesis: the commonalities between the lives of Joseph son of Jacob and Amenophis of Hapou; the common points between the religious tradition of the Hebrews and that of the clan of Amenophis Son of Hapou; transfers from Egypt to Canaan of people and technology related to the Amenophis clan.
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“All rebellions are ordinary and an ultimate bore. They are copied out of the same pattern, one much like another. The driving force is adrenaline addiction and the desire to gain personal power. All rebels are closet aristocrats. That’s why I can convert them so easily.”
(Leto II to Duncan Idaho, GEoD, pg. 27)
Of course, an “aristocrat” thinks they are the “best ruler”. Most people think they can do better than most other people, you know? The problem with aristocracy in this fashion is that it’s not real. All of the “ruling” positions are simply muppetry. Anyone WANTING to be the “best ruler” is still stuck in the game, where all their actual efforts do is make the real rulers, the real Tyrant families, even richer.
I think that it would generally be very easy for these folks to co-opt any major rebellions, which is why we only find fake ones. Only a rebel fueled by real ethics and real power could survive their buy-offs or their buy-outs, and thus far we’ve not seen much real power in these folks, historically.
Another one:
” You will learn the integrated communication methods as you complete the next step in your mental education. This is a gestalten function which will overlay data paths in your awareness, resolving complexities and masses of input from the mentat index-catalogue techniques which you have already mastered. Your initial problem will be the breaking tensions arising from the divergent assembly of minutiae/data on specialized subjects. Be warned. Without mentat overlay integration, you can be immersed in the Babel Problem, which is the label we give to the omnipresent dangers of achieving wrong combinations from accurate information.”
The Mentat Handbook
(Frank Herbert, “God Emperor of Dune”)
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Frank Herbert, any relation to horror writer James? (James’ father was Herbert Herbert!) Or even George Herbert Walker Bush?
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I’ll dig around, but we already know he’s spooky. The difference is he’s BETTER than the spooks, or at least his writing is. God Emperor is a treasure-trove of knowledge and ideas about ideal governance, written from the point of view OF the God Emperor himself, Leto II (Paul’s son from the first Dune book), some 3,000 years after Dune. Leto II is half-sandworm at this point, retaining only his human face and arms and hands. He has enforced a vast, galaxy-spanning peace upon humanity for 3,000 years in the story, driving them all to the point where they MUST scatter and escape him to thrive, grow, or survive – and that is his point, and purpose. His “Golden Path” forward, for humanity. He’s cruel, brutal, yet benevolent and kind in his own way. Anyway, let’s dig. From the Wiki:
He was born “to Frank Patrick Herbert Sr. and Eileen (McCarthy) Herbert. Because of a poor home environment, he ran away from home in 1938 to live with an aunt and uncle in Salem, Oregon.[3] He enrolled in high school at Salem High School (now North Salem High School), where he graduated the next year.[3] In 1939 he lied about his age to get his first newspaper job at the Glendale Star.[4] Herbert then returned to Salem in 1940 where he worked for the Oregon Statesman newspaper (now Statesman Journal) in a variety of positions, including photographer.[3]
“He served in the U.S. Navy’s Seabees for six months as a photographer during World War II, then he was given a medical discharge. He married Flora Parkinson in San Pedro, California, in 1940. They had a daughter, Penny (b. February 16, 1942), but divorced in 1945.”
So we have the same old story about rags-to-riches. Which to me is at least an orange flag anymore. Also:
“Dune is the best-selling science fiction novel of all time,[2] and the whole series is widely considered to be among the classics of the genre.”
We know it’s not a meritocracy, and to be honest the first book really isn’t that good. The last four, Children, God Emperor, Heretics, and Chapterhouse, are ALL much better and far, far deeper in scope and purpose. The timespan goes from 3,000 years to like 10,000. It’s really good stuff, interesting and powerful, but that’s not how he GOT to the point of being a best-selling author. So why is Dune promoted?
Because they want to control rebellions. He’s telling us exactly how and why they do it, basically. It’s controlled opposition, once again. But as with the other CO stuff, there’s hints of truth and realities mixed in as well, and at no point does the Author actually PROMOTE the status quo, the “system” as we know it today. His chief point is to claim that too MUCH peace leads to stagnation and boredom, and weakness, which leaves humanity wide open to attacks from without, say from aliens or robots. Which is precisely where the plot goes, after Chapterhouse. His son finished the series after Herbert’s demise in the 80s, and it was also really good, but not quite as deep in my opinion. It’s kind of like Terminator, in that the robots are viciously evil and their AI, the Evermind “Omnius” is hell-bent on eradicating people. So in the son’s story, eventually Leto II is reincarnated and he then MERGES with Omnius, becoming a man/machine/sandworm hybrid of sorts, with the Spice being the facilitating factor that allows this mergine. Leto II takes over Omnius and defeats the robots, basically, by ABSORBING them.
And I don’t dislike that part of the story. It’s better than Terminator/Skynet, where no merging or solution is ever given. And I think it’s not necessarily a bad thing to merge with robotics. It may be inevitable. They may never develop “thinking machines” otherwise, I don’t know.
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I know he IS a spook, but every once in awhile even a spook gets something right, you know? I’m re-reading God Emperor anyway, afresh, looking now for more spooky markers or possible shreds of truth I missed, given the new context of our conversations here and Miles and co.’s excellent work.
One thing that stands out though is the Jews, in the fifth book “Heretics”. They’ve been hiding and living as Jews for thousands of years, an actual minority (there are only a few of them), but the OLD Jewish folk evolved into the Tleilaxu, humans that rival the Bene Gesserit, the Ixians, and the other factions and “races” as it were in the story. The Tleilaxu have developed a breeding program technology that allows them to rebirth dead people from their DNA alone, in “breeding tanks” which are actually just disgusting women bred solely for that purpose. In the story, these rebirthed people are called “ghola” and they can even have their memories reactivated, up to the time of their original death. It’s quite interesting but I doubt it’s feasible, whatever.
Point being that there ARE Jewish folk and proto-Jews who are ALSO crypto about their origins, and who also run a very spooky breeding program. So that’s one way his work ties in, sort of, to the topics of Spookery.
Weird part is, the more I think about it, the more his future-history sounds like our fake REAL history in many ways.
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I read the whole series as an adolescent and thoroughly enjoyed it largely due to the quality of Herbert’s writing. Though I do wonder if Stacy Herbert at the Max Keiser Report, which I find highly entertaining, if nothing else, is a relation.
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In the Star Trek episode with space hippies (series 3), ‘Herbert’ was an insulting term applied to Capt’n Kirk by the chief hippy.
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https://www.startrek.com/database_article/herbert
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My family have called idiots ‘herberts’ all my life. Its a common term in these parts. “You stupid herbert” is an often heard phrase, more so from the older generations.
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In light of the papers on Ancient Spooks, and those covering infiltration of the aristocracy going back 1000s of years, I wonder if Miles might now reach a different conclusion with regards to the Protocols?
His original take was that it was a disguised attack by the recently defeated aristocracy against the financiers. But if they were and are one and the same, then what was the purpose of the Protocols?
Perhaps to misdirect away from the aristocracy’s own play-acting in its own demise? To add to the discombobulation of those times?
Everyone was blaming the bolshies or the banksters or the Romanovs when in fact they were all working for the same side.
Maybe. I was just re-reading the paper and was trying to re-hang it 😛
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“….when in fact they were all working for the same side.”
Totally agree.
Putin, Bush, Trump, Merkle etc all sit around the same table and bash out future world policies. The grand facade of hatred between them is just a smokescreen.
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Whilst I agree that minions like Putin , Bush , Merkel et al may well be all singing from the same song sheet I believe that there are REAL divisions concerning ‘ the way forward.’ I tend to think that the PTB are like a huge extended mafia family all fighting for precedence and control of the spoils and they’ll harm each other if necessary in their greed to achieve this. No honour amongst thieves. So sometimes those divisions are very real.
Let’s face it. They might all belong to one big family but every family has its quarrels. Sometimes ………….albeit very rarely…………it works in our favour ………although of course that isn’t the preconceived intention. For me it’s the only way I can see any logic in the political shenanigans that currently prevail.
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I must respectfully disagree, Russell. Those people don’t bash out ANYTHING. They are just actors playing their roles, they have no real power and do nothing but pretend to power. They make no real policies, no changes, but merely facilitate the Tyrants’ will as a voice to the people. They didn’t win any elections. They don’t make anything worthwhile at all. They are just puppets, nothing more.
Even the Queen is just a puppet, despite being a very wealthy one. The wealth isn’t HERS though, it belongs to the Families. They just put it in her name to perpetuate the ILLUSION of regal power. She’s really good at her role and a nice old lady, but still just another puppet.
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Yes, they are mostly fronts, puppets and scions of the rich. Spooky spoiled brats or creepy agents, either way they are following orders or acting out a scene to distract from what is unseen. You’re right to remind us of that very important fact.
Here’s hopin’ they’re starting to believe their own lies and are devouring themselves in the process.
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Or maybe when these clowns are together, they are just trying to show off how well they memorize their script?
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Cal said: “I tend to think that the PTB are like a huge extended mafia family all fighting for precedence and control of the spoils and they’ll harm each other if necessary in their greed to achieve this. No honour amongst thieves.”
I definitely agree there. And this is their greatest weakness.
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While rereading “Iran’s Jewish Rulers” by Donny Ahzmond at Mile’s site, two other cons occurred to me which emphasizes the deceit. When the author discusses the exploitation of the 1979 oil crisis by western elite families, the deception goes even deeper in my opinion. Many years ago I read an article explaining how oil is a renewable resource, “Anhydride Theory by C. Warren Hunt”. The brains here may be able to argue otherwise, but the theory is compelling to me and if true, means we are dupes again. The same issue I have with the “rareness” of diamonds. A book I read many moons ago went into detail how natural diamonds, in large amounts, are laying on the ground in areas of South Africa. Whether both of these theories are misdirection, misinformation is over my head and I will leave that to the impressive talent here. But, if they are close to being true, the deception and lies that we are subjected to, seem to have no bound. I appreciate all of the entries here, the availability provided by Josh, and hope MM is up and running very soon! Looking forward to all of those new papers!
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Apparently Jared, Rainier is just about the most dangerous volcano in North America.
Just keep an eye on that snow melt.
https://www.iceagenow.info/is-el-popo-the-most-dangerous-volcano-in-north-america/#more-29318
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Why I posted this on the spookery thread is beyond me. Sorry Josh..
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Thanks for the lookout, my friend. Indeed, for the last 8 years I lived on the Puyallup River, in the direct path of the chief lahars should the Mountain blow westward. I would have about an hour warning, tops. There’s a great deal of people living in its path, and it’s a very Vesuvian situation here, but of course humanity only learns the hard way – and it’s BEAUTIFUL country, as a result of the rich volcanic nutrition pouring down each year. Best soil around, really.
But I moved to the big west hillscape in February, so I’m in no real danger from the Big Guy anymore. Pumice or something maybe, ashen rain, but no lahars, lava flows, or pyroclastics could reach this high up. The valley below is fucked, though. All the way to Seattle.
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Hazard Stevens (June 9, 1842 – October 11, 1918) was an American military officer, mountaineer, politician and writer. He received the Medal of Honor for his service in the Union army during the American Civil War at the Battle of Fort Huger.
Stevens and Philemon Beecher Van TRUMP made the first documented successful climb of Mount Rainier on August 17, 1870
funny to find a trump here 🙂
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David Koresh’s mother, Bonnie Clark Haldeman, sporting a Star of David necklace after the Waco Project.
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-52030109.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all
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Article here:
https://heavy.com/entertainment/2018/01/david-koresh-parents-mom-bonnie-dad-bobby-family/
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More Stanley references for New Mexico.
Epstein allegedly bought his NM ranch from Bruce King, former governor of New Mexico who has a curiously short bio on WIkipedia (relation to King Ranch TX?). Bruce King’s son, Gary King, started a law firm in 1984 called King and Stanley. From wikipedia:
“…He then attended the University of New Mexico School of Law, where he received his J.D. In 1984, King formed the law firm of King and Stanley in Moriarty, New Mexico; in 1990, he assumed the position of Corporate General Counsel and Senior Environmental Scientist with Advanced Sciences, Inc., an environmental consulting firm.”
“Assumed the position” is a nice turn of phrase. Us regular folks are merely hired for the position. Also funny how he went from General Counsel of an environmental consulting firm to Attorney General for the State. That’s quite a leap for someone with no government experience. Typically to be an State Attorney General you must have worked as a public prosecutor at some point rather than as the only attorney at a tiny consulting firm which as of today has 2 employees:
https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0250663D:US
I looked up “Stanley” at the Online Bar search for NM and found John A. Stanley, currently inactive:
https://www.nmbar.org/Nmstatebar/FindAnAttorney
Mailing address listed as Calabash, North Carolina. Then a FastPeopleSearch turns up John A. Stanley, current address Calabash, prior address in Moriarty, NM. His bar entry lists his email as … wait for it…
andyace88@gmail.com
On a side note regarding the whole Epstein story I find it curious there is not one allegation of violence or drugging of any of the alleged victims. The girls were “ordered” to have sex and they apparently complied. Or they cried and then they complied. And then they were paid. And where is even one parent of one of these alleged victims? We’re not talking about orphans here or kids at risk like Savile is alleged to have abused. But not one peep from any parent that they were concerned about their 16 year old jetting around the world with a middle aged man? The tabloids are full of stories and maybe that is the ultimate goal here. Not to mention the scores of “anonymous sources” who claim “he was always with groups of high school age girls and everyone knew and no one said anything because he was known to be a big tipper.”
I’d say the whole Epstein affair proves Miles’s Theory that the Families make this stuff up out of whole cloth merely to confound us while the real crimes are taking place just off stage left.
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Bruce King’s wife has a background in energy beam weapons and nuclear survivability:
https://www.ladailypost.com/content/new-mexico%E2%80%99s-attorney-general-and-his-wife-%E2%80%93-it-really-was-chemistry
“…Dr. Yolanda Jones King retired in 2014 from the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, where she served as the government advisor to the DSB Task Force on nuclear survivability and authored many reports and presentations. Since then, she has been a senior technical and programmatic advisor for the Engility Corp., providing insight and advice regarding the Air Force and Navy warhead projects and system-level survivability.”
https://www.governor.state.nm.us/2019/02/26/governor-lujan-grisham-nominates-regents-for-new-mexico-state-university-and-new-mexico-tech/
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Aye, it is a load of phoeny phooey. People should not form any opinions, nor make any decisions based on this claptrap. Just like any other mainstream news story.
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I would also add it’s a way for them to keep in line those upper echelons who may not be card-members of the current ruling Club. Threats of character assassination or whatever. Like what they did to MJ.
Sometimes I wonder if that’s what’s going on with Dave Chappelle. He bolted out of Hollywood years ago after telling everyone on Inside the Actor’s Studio that H-Wood is a fucked up place. Then they ran some blackwashing articles against him calling him a crackhead. He lives in Yellow Springs with his fam, not too far from me. But in the past few years he’s been back on tube and doing stand up again. Sometimes he doesn’t look too thrilled to be doing it. Now he’s hosting a big free event in downtown Dayton where the alleged shooting took place. Just weird..
Or the mayor of Dayton. It just didn’t look like she had the correct face on after the event. She looked more guilty and frightened than sad or in mourning.
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ace 88 hahahahaha!
No stop….I’ll burst my spleen!
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Was flabbergasted when I saw it and knew I had to post it here.
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