[This is the thread to discuss the current corona virus psy-op.]
From Las Vegas, Pittsburg, Thousand Oaks to Russian Collusion and the Khashoggi assassination, false-flag hoaxes, conspoofacies, fake murders and other manufactured events are running non-stop around the world and around the corner.
A reader wrote in to suggest opening a comment section devoted to discussing current (faked) events. I thought it was a good idea and would provide a place where people could chime in on what’s going on in the news and even offer evidence for why they think the event was faked, hoaxed, manufactured, etc. (or why not). Have at it, unless you think it’s a waste of your time–in which case, don’t!
Aries said:
“Israel imposes 2nd nationwide COVID-19 lockdown as ‘cases’ surge.”
Yup, they’re definitely trying to drag this into 2021 like Jabroni Fauci “predicted.”
Besides the obvious, I think they’re trying to drag this out longer to have a reason to mandate the vaccines. I think Biden is going to win and mandate it, because it wouldn’t make sense for Trump to do it — he stated that only 11,000 people have died from COVID… so why would Trump mandate the vaccines? He’s the “good guy,” right?
I don’t think people will accept the vaccines once they’re mandatory, but I’m sure the Jew-broni Club will find some way to deceive the American people… yet again. Rinse-and-repeat.
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Chris Ryska said:
Try the movie, “Retaliation”, with Orlando Bloom.
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Josh said:
I’ve been enjoying watching the British sitcom “The IT Crowd” again with my kids. Remarkably little propaganda. Just goofy fun with no sacred cows.
The guy who created and wrote it was banned from Twitter recently (and probably committed career suicide) with his outspoken criticism against transgender procedures aimed at children, comparing them to NAZI experiments on children: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Linehan#Anti-transgender_activism
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James said:
IT Crowd is too funny not to be created by someone who has a few shreds of self-respect left.
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Josh said:
I’m in a funk. Last night the Israeli Cabinet voted to start another lockdown starting on Friday and lasting (at least!) 3 weeks. People will be required to stay within 500 meters of their homes except to buy food or medicine. Schools, restaurants, cafes and bars closed. And of course the mask mandate (which about 99% of people in my area seem to comply with) will continue. Here is an article about it, complete with the requisite numerology: “The death toll from coronavirus has reached 1,108 since the start of the pandemic.”
So. Fucking. Annoying. Sons of bitches!
The only silver lining is that this time around there is a lot more pushback with many people and groups calling for open defiance of the new regulations. Sadly, I don’t think it will materialize, and the police don’t seem that concerned by the grumbling.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Pharaoh is rolling over in his sarcophagus muttering “you mean it’s that easy? Why didn’t i think of that?”
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Raymond D. said:
They’re ramping up the propaganda in the UK for the “second wave”. Local lockdowns beginning today with presumably more and more as the days progress.
Well, they did signal the “second wave” even before the first wave got going, so this is part two of a global wheeze that they admit in their documents is just a “trial”. They might even introduce the “terrorist pathogen” narrative at this stage.
Our only chance is if people start pushing back starting with abandoning the mask. Unfortunately I suspect many institutions and their staff (e.g. police, medical, educational) have been literally bought off to play along with this nonsense. So those we might look to for common-sense in our neighbourhoods are complicit in the lie beyond mere brain-washing. They know covid19 is a lie but they got a bonus or something else and so remain silent.
That’s my extreme take on the compliance I’m seeing from the professional classes.
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laurence said:
the big boss went to all the offices this morning to force us to put on the mask because we have two identified cases of corona in the building.
a woman named C. Navaro (anagram) and the other E. Champion …
how is it possible that the virus targeted an employee whose name contains an anagram of the name of the virus ?
and the other employee is called by chance Champion …
Ah, to be champion, we are champions in France … world leader in championicity…even our president has a corona anagram name !
I think the next step will be to force women to shave their heads because the virus is transmitted through the hair when you move your head!
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Josh said:
People are trying to organize Sept. 15 as an international anti-mask defiance day
#nomask
https://www.reddit.com/user/illegalburnpile/comments/ikxv52/flyer003/
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James said:
The term “Rebel Alliance” is starting to have a nice ring to it. Perhaps it’s a bit cliche and obvious but maybe that’s what makes it perfect. The Empire’s mask has slipped and it really is Evil.
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James said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nonewnormal
This is the link that the image you linked to has in it. Lots of encouraging comments here anyway. If nothing else it’s nice for me to see people really vent about it and share anecdotes about going face-naked. One comment from a 18-year-old it sounded like calling 30-year-olds moralizing selfish “Doomers.”
That’s my prediction out of this is it will breed the most rebellious generation in a long time. The rage will build and it will not subside and that is what the rebel alliance needs. They won’t want to hear any crap from any official about anything.
I think the new unified slogan of the human race should be “Fuck Off”. Short succinct and it spits in the face of the governors hatred of dirty language.
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Popcorn said:
That’s really encouraging about the new generations.
But the “Fuck Off” part… it’s exactly what happened in Italy when the Movement 5 Stars was formed. And we ended up today with the benevolent dictator Giuseppe Conte.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
minority report after first 6 months of war-on-reason
In my country, Slovenia, with 2 million residents, there were, by now, 180 thousand tests performed in (roughly) 180 days of testing. That makes a 1000 tests/day. Also that means (roughly) 10% of the population has already been tested. That means another 9×180 days of testing are awaiting us (4,4 years), though they increased the number of tests/day performed from roughly 100 to more then 3300 tests/day. … and in these last 6 months 131 died (confirmed of an old age disease).
Lets say that they increase testing capacity – since their propaganda has succeeded in creating confusion by omission of reasoning in fear-fertile and authority-compliant highly controlled public ‘waves’ – and lets say they reach a midterm goal of 51% tested in the next 8 months (they just go up to 4400 tests/day), once the ‘democratic’ majority of residents/followers (1 million) will have been reached, ‘the rest’ (49%) would have to comply with the ‘majority’ rule (that flavor of ‘democracy’ is to the liking of current political elite). Eventually, starting with summer next year, ‘the rest’ will be forced to take a test ‘voluntarily’.
Does anyone here know, if these tests can be also used to ‘record our DNA’ (is that possible to do in laboratories, incognito, using those nose swabs). Could it be that my country will have collected the DNA of all residents sometime around this time next year? Should I apply pepper spray in my own nose cavity if the gestapo picks me up in some dark alley with a swab test’s safety-off?
Though I expect that testing percentages above 33% will be tough to achieve and there will be a face-saving ‘all tested successfully’ national declaration on October 11th 2021 issued. Although the ‘code orange/red’ will mysteriously remain in power domestically until 2024, when, finally, ‘war-won’ will be globally declared at 11th our of 11th day. And a new kind of Sun will begin shining upon us all; all healthy, free, responsible and matured citizens of the world, ready to receive it’s blessings in silent contemplation and personalized remembrance of distant emotional perturbations and connectivity limitations. Here I have to finish the report, since my battery is dangerously low.
– [Hawking voice]: “Battery low…low…low…you forgot to charge it on time…your social responsibility and compliance score is falling … your new social score is … calculating … emergency cloud data saving in progress … stay where you are, stay silent, don’t move … cloud police is being activated … look straight up for the identification purposes … battery low…lo_” –
At the same time at some non-disclosed location:
– “Take over manual zoom Joe!”
– “What have we got down there? Let me focus some more. Hey, look at this one, Jim. Isn’t he a…?”
– “…Yeah, we’ve got a Spreader. You know the drill Joe: Taze-Vax-Graze-Tax. Deploying the AstraZen-Hornet.”
– “Sir, this is the Gates Of Inclusion Municipality pilot Joe. Please sir, look up in the direction of the Airborne Relief&Control and maintain an eye contact at all times! Sting will be painless.”
– “Pleasure to include you in the service, sir. Invoice including the service rendered should already be included in your personal cloud account. GOIM pilot Joe wishes you a good day and… don’t forget to charge your serving device regularly, sir.”
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They Live said:
I can’t say for sure that they can’t collect DNA with these swabs jammed up your nose and down your throat, but I suspect not. Sadly, they collect the vast majority of peoples DNA at birth or even in utero with their various recommended genetic tests. I have my suspicions because they really push them hard under various names in different countries. Essentially the same test in Ireland is called a heel-prick test and in the US it’s called a Billy-Rubin test. They’re either collecting DNA or they’re vampires
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laurence said:
even that is a big joke: the only thing that we collect when we put a cotton swab in the nose are boogers …
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3rd doorman said:
yes, it is possible to collect DNA with a swab. It may not be much though. my understanding is that the smaller the sample, the more rigorous and expensive it will be to read a genome reliably. The sample will be small but may be preserved until its legal/affordable to sequence.
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suntzufighting said:
So where is the Golani in this? By that I mean the tradition of patriotic resistance that some Israelis displayed with the last war in Lebanon. It is as if questioning the corona pandemic is an order of magnitude worse than sedition.
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Josh said:
I don’t remember much resistance against the last war in Lebanon. There are probably more people against the new lock down measures, mainly because it will hit them in their pocketbooks. There was a big protest yesterday and lots of talk of defying the orders. We shall see…
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Maria said:
That does not sound good, and I would be pretty upset too if I was living in Israel. Sometimes I think they will drag this out for a long time because of all the, from their perspective, desired effects that this has on the economy. They’re not going to let go of this ability to just shut down the economy when it’s this easy with people not resisting. I thought this would be over once they had their vaccine, but this must be too lucrative for them to give up without a fight. I expect the vaccine to be delayed and/or the virus to mutate into new forms with a never ending war on this non-existent enemy.
Personally, I am still hoping for the fake alien invasion to replace this excruciatingly boring virus hoax, but this virus scare is probably very cost-effective as it requires no effort to create the illusion of an invisible enemy.
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mantalo said:
no need for aliens, humans have sunk into total alienation
alien nation
it is done.
if there was a journal distributed to the thinking species of the universe, it would headline
“a planet sinks into madness without anyone noticing”
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mantalo said:
also, this :
Alienation effect an audience’s inability to identify with a character in a performance, as an intended consequence of the actor’s interpretation of the script
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alienation
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Patrick said:
This vid is dated September 8 and is the most complete debunking of the CV psyop I’ve seen. I wasn’t looking for any more evidence, but this guy hooked me into the entire 37 minutes with his calm takedown of the entire operation. I don’t expect it to be up for long, and have found one address for it that shows up as “Video Unavailable”.
Shortcuts: :01 Gompertz curve :07 Spanish compared to CV :13 US & lockdowns, masks useless :19 Italy, Brazil, Peru lock vs nolock :22 US vs Euro & US regional
:24 difference between epidemic and “casedemic” :28:30 first Fauci casedemic and a following explanation of how a casedemic is turned into a “2nd wave”
Here is another address for the vid: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
Reading the comments gave me a much needed shot of optimism — 16K upvotes to 600 down. More and more people aware of the con? One can hope.
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thechemicaluniverse said:
@Patrick Thanks that is Ivor Cummins of the Irish Heart Association advancing “better metabolics” and calcium scores. It is not easy to sell “eat less sugar”. I am wondering with so much fearporn misinformation around, people realize it has never really been about “flu” season.
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Josef said:
I watched that video two days ago. He presents all the evidence needed to argue that there’s no covid virus, yet from start to finish he works under the assumption that there is a covid virus and that it wasn’t as devastating as we’ve been told. I’m not saying that he’s controlled opposition, but he’s certainly arguing the “yes, there’s a virus and, no, it never reach pandemic level”.
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custardcat said:
Even if that’s the case (I haven’t watched it yet) a video like that is exactly what is needed for the vast majority, who are simply unable to even consider “hoax”. They are so trapped that their only hope is baby steps.
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thechemicaluniverse said:
I think he was saying every year the flu viruses include corona type viruses..EVERY YEAR…and they always have s peculiar seasonality. as FLU VIRUSES are a mix of things which can be distinguished by PCR..technology .BUT THEY ARE JUST FLU VIRUSES!!! and have year by year recorded patterns..of infection and subsidence all around the world!! Normally no one cares..as there are lots of them and thye cant even make a flu vaccine as they dont know which ones will dominate the flu season…..except for 2020.as they seem to have picked out one to demonize..but hey it is still a flu virus..
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carol said:
@ Josef.
Exactly. As someone pointed out in an earlier post ( sorry, can’t remember who ) :
You are ” allowed” to say that the virus is real, that’s it was a Chinese abomination, that it was overhyped , that it’s just a version of flu etc.etc. Practically anything in fact as long as you go along with the official narrative that pathogenic viruses actually exist and that’s certainly not a given .
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3rd doorman said:
if there really is no virus, and its possible, would it not refute 100 years of microbiology?
it would jibe with or refute dna discovery, and implode an age of PCR ??
admit at least its alot of info to take in all at once! a briefing requiring toxicology/nutrition and Phoney-Pharma-scamz that possibly take the life and health of newborns! shockingly dark implications.
its more than most people can understand, and all at once. recipe for info overload.
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Popcorn said:
I think microbiology is not only about viruses, but also the various types of microbes. And how would DNA theory be refuted by the non-existance of Viruses?
I think Josh had a good point in his long post on this topic. Be the viruses real or not, the other microbes are indeed real as we can logically conclude from our own experiences.
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Thomas said:
Now, Canada protest against the corona circus, but unfortunately the Canadians think Trump is a good choice.
“https://www.toptradeguru.com/news/watch-protesters-in-montreal-fly-trump-2020-flags-while-chanting-u-s-a-rail-against-fake-news-mask-policies/#update”
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Wayne said:
Not that the Quebecois actually like Trump or USA, they know that waving Trump USA flags will piss the governors off.
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laurence said:
have you noticed the similarity between musk (elon) and mask (alone) ?
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rolleikin said:
39 Surprising Things Queen Elizabeth II Owns
(besides the world’s ugliest hats)
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/39-surprising-things-queen-elizabeth-ii-owns?utm_source=pocket-newtab
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Thomas said:
Indeed interesting, as the next question would be who own the Queen.
The Queen is just a front figure and must obey orders from higher up.
” https://www.lovemoney.com/gallerylist/72713/the-uks-50-biggest-landowners-revealed“
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Wayne said:
Queen owns the Commonwealth.
She is a member of the ruling/owning families, so she is not a lackey.
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Lio said:
I haven’t worn a mask yet, not going to. Most places don’t say a thing when I walk in without one, and the couple that did have lost my business. I work for myself, so that’s a lot easier for me than most people.
Funny how the governors can now circumvent the courts, the constitution and the parliament by simply getting the businesses to enforce their edicts for them. Just like free speech, freedom itself doesn’t apply when it’s a “private business”, eh?
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John James said:
Check out this loan program the World Bank has set up. Businesses are being paid to enforce these “prevention” rules. It also says the COVID 19 Financial Instrument Project will be going on until March 2025 (see Datasheet after Table of Contents).
[http://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/993371585947965984/pdf/World-COVID-19-Strategic-Preparedness-and-Response-Project.pdf]
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Ramsay said:
Good find JJ. Let’s eat the bankers first.
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custardcat said:
It was a good find indeed. And to think this was released to the public back in March. And then you look at page 16 and see precisely and exactly what is happening everywhere. All the phrases, catchcries and new words were disseminated by yet another global organisation. And to think some people still think that we’re not yet under global rule…
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John James said:
“Protecting the poor” yet they calculate exactly how to devastate the poor and then DO it.
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John James said:
And here it is: World Bank says recovery could take 5 years. It could happen tomorrow actually, but then that would ruin the world domination plan.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/world-bank-warns-global-recovery-could-take-five-years
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Swathy Krishna said:
This is not the first time the fascists have unmasked themselves, ignoring the constitution and crushing the people under their heels. From June 25 ’75 to March 3 ’77(3/3), the the. Prime minister Indira Gandhi had declared a state of emergency, as a response to “internal disturbance”, known later as The Emergency, during the period of which, according to Wiki,
The order bestowed upon the Prime Minister the authority to rule by decree, allowing elections to be suspended and civil liberties to be curbed. For much of the Emergency, most of Indira Gandhi’s political opponents were imprisoned and the press was censored. Several other human rights violations were reported from the time, including a mass forced sterilization campaign spearheaded by Sanjay Gandhi, the Prime Minister’s son. The Emergency is one of the most controversial periods of independent India’s history.
Not sure about that last one. Also the second last one. Wtf does that have to do with anything? My guess a revolution was bubbling up and they had to put a cork in it. More like an engineer boot to the throat. Aren’t these people lovely? Don’t you just want to flay them and drag them across the Sahara?
P.S Hang in there, Josh.
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thechemicaluniverse said:
As this nonsense goes on and on, even the sainted “alternative”media seems like nincompoops repeating daily how nonsensical it all is with their erudite counternarrative..as if todays news has to balance say 70 percent nonsensical narrative with 20 percent “It is nonsense” counternarrative and 10 percent “there is no such thing as nonsense’ narrative, and curiously it all becomes nonsense NONSENSE.!!!! How much longer can this go on???
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Ben said:
Federal judge rules Pennsylvania’s lockdown orders unconstitutional:
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/health/federal-judge-strikes-down-pennsylvanias-coronavirus-restrictions/2532609/
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Kevin said:
Heh – Dr. Levine (He/She) doesn’t want Pennsylvanians going back to the “old normal” because if that happens and no one gets sick (which they won’t), the whole Covid-1984 house of cards could start falling.
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Graham said:
This is a situation just begging for the PTB to start ramping up the fake covid numbers.
For many increased Covid rates will be “proof” the lockdowns etc were justified.
I wouldn’t mind betting that’s whats really going on here.
When was the last time a federal judge did the right thing?
Hope I’m wrong though, my cynicism has become all consuming I’m afraid.
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Wayne said:
“start ramping up the fake numbers”, that Phoenician Navy ship sailed at the beginning of the panic.
Fake from the get go.
No bats. No killer bio weapon. [Fatality rate is slightly higher than the deadly nerve agent Novichok.]
It’s all in the response.
First a completely unwarranted and irrational lock down of healthy individuals and the economy.
Then they give trillions to the big banks, again for nothing.
The Sting at a global level.
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MathisderMaler said:
Yep, note the name Levine. Nuff said.
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They Live said:
Was scanning the on-screen tv guide for some decent background noise when I saw NatGeo was airing a new program called “Bin Laden’s Hard Drive”. I couldn’t bring myself to tune in but had to look it up.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8703795/Osama-bin-Laden-hidden-messages-porn-videos-secretly-communicate-associates.html#comments
“Osama bin Laden may have hidden encrypted messages in porn videos to secretly communicate with his Al-Qaeda associates”
And to think some of us are worried about the spooks watching over us when they’ve been unable to crack the mysterious porn code all these years. What a bunch of hacks!
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Wayne said:
That’s how Osama in a cave in Afghanistan was able to coordinate the immaculate collapse of WTC7, and the high value target hit on the ONI team at the Pentagram.
Rumsfeld was able to sleep easier that night knowing the trail of the missing 2+ trillion USD had been vaporized.
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Jim said:
Potentially good news in PA and, I would think, the rest of the US. A Federal judge just ruled yesterday on a six-month old lawsuit brought by four PA counties plus individuals that specific pieces of the lockdown order are unconstitutional. https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/covid-19-restrictions-by-gov-wolf-dr-levine-unconstitutional-judge-rules/NZUQCAHNUFHUZAKD7ZRH7GOC54/
From the article: “…lawyers argue that, barring a stay, the indoor and outdoor gathering limits can’t be enforced.” I read elsewhere that, specifically in PA, this should remove the limitations on gatherings of 25 indoor and 250 outdoors. Of course Wolf is fighting to keep ALL his fascist executive orders in place including the mask mandate.
The judge wrote in his opinion on page 18: “[T]he record shows that Defendants [Governor and Secretary] view the presence of disease mitigation restrictions upon the citizens of Pennsylvania as a ‘new normal’ and they have no actual plan to return to a state where all restrictions are lifted. It bears repeating; after six months, there is no plan to return to a situation where there are no restrictions imposed upon the people of the Commonwealth.” We have had to put up with heavy doses of this ‘new normal’ psyop since March.
From the Conclusion: “The liberties protected by the Constitution are not fair-weather freedoms – in place when times are good but able to be cast aside in times of trouble. There is no question that this Country has faced, and will face, emergencies of every sort. But the solution to a national crisis can never be permitted to supersede the commitment to individual liberty that stands as the foundation of the American experiment. The Constitution cannot accept the concept of a ‘new normal’ where the basic liberties of the people can be subordinated to open-ended emergency mitigation measures. Rather, the Constitution sets certain lines that may not be crossed, even in an emergency. Actions taken by Defendants crossed those lines. It is the duty of the Court to declare those actions unconstitutional.” I know no one here will miss the ‘American experiment’ reference.
The full 66-page opinion, for those inclined towards reading this sort of thing:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tr60HixANZPAQYnSuT5xM1bJo1qsg2aS/view
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rolleikin said:
As Graham said, I suspect this PA ruling is a setup for a later scam. The covid numbers will be shown to rise and the ruling will be overturned, thus “proving” to the dopes that the lockdowns are justified.
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3rd doorman said:
Not to argue, but by their own science lockdowns for flu are of limited effectiveness, and we also see flu killed more than covid, during lockdowns, its their science. we might consider this, it doesn’t matter if these viral pathogens exist, there are contradictions in the idea that lockdowns were or are scientifically proven to be effective in slowing the spread of ANY respertory pathogen beyond two weeks.
its never been established for flu like illness. I can post WHO’s review of the many studies up to 2019.
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James said:
It’s good to see the courts still pretending like the constitution is a thing that exists. I couldn’t believe it literally just couldn’t believe it when they started imposing restrictions on gathering size. Seemed to me that same day back in March that it was a violation of the right to peacefully assemble. Even if it’s the illusion that the constitution means something I guess I just prefer it.
Now, can they please admit that forcing masks is a restriction on freedom of speech. Part of human speech is the ability to see the mouth move, the smiles, the thoughtful pauses. There is no restriction on speech allowed. I feel especially bad for deaf people who are used to reading lips.
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Ray said:
Thank you Jim. The decision references an academic paper on government over-reach. The paper finishes with this little gem:
“…the more that courts coalesce around a standard in which governments are held to exceedingly modest burdens of justification for incursions into our civil liberties during emergencies, the more those same governments might be incentivized not only to use emergencies as pretexts for scaling back our rights, but to find pretexts for triggering such emergencies in the first place.”
-CORONA VIRUS, CIVIL LIBERTIES, AND THE COURTS:
THE CASE AGAINST “SUSPENDING” JUDICIAL REVIEW
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Jim said:
Nice find, Ray.
There is quite a bit of interesting research in that Opinion doc. They describe secret meetings out of the Governor’s Office in the Background section, starting on Page 3… held by groups where “The names of the members remain unknown”. “None of their ‘hundreds if not thousands’ of meetings were open to the public, no minutes were kept, and ‘formality was not the first thing on [their] minds.’”
Wolf is bad enough, but Levine’s Wikipedia entry puts everything right out in the open. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine He is Jewish. Grew up attending Hebrew School. Graduated from Harvard. Fellowship from Mount Sinai Hospital (Manhattan). The only thing they don’t list is his CIA badge number. So it is safe to assume these meetings were saturated with Intelligence operatives and what we have been going through has been fully scripted.
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Jim said:
@Ben Sorry Ben, didn’t mean to step on your post. It’s what I get for trying to fit in a write-up between waking up, finding a news item and needing to switch my broadband connection over to my work PC for the day!
@Rolleiken, no argument that your and Graham’s assessment is probably the correct one. I do still have some hope for Miles’ assessment from earlier in the year, that something like this could be a manifestation of conflict between different factions of the Phoenicians.
Still, I like seeing that blurb from the judge’s Conclusion spelled out in a legal opinion and specifically calling out their ‘new normal’.
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rolleikin said:
“I do still have some hope”
I do too. But, I’ve become extremely skeptical of anything that looks like good news from these characters.
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Gerard Nordskoven said:
“That Irish feck is harshing my trillionaire buzz…”
ABBA CADAVER
CUT THE PALAVER.
AMORITE RULES
MEANS NO B.S. SCHOOLS.
NOW LEARNING ONLINE,
FROM JOHN LENNON TO “PINE”
THE CENSORSHIP FAIL
PUT STUDENTS ON THE TRAIL.
WISED UP TO FAKES,
ALL DRIVE OUT THE SNAKES.
EACH WOKE LASS AND LADDY
IS JUST LIKE ST. PADDY.
In short, thanks Miles, Josh, & kind friends. Special thanks to all the students who are Corona camped out online avidly mirroring MILES MATHIS “Updates” fully attributed and uncut. This poaching has done an end-run around search filters! Now topics like “John Lennon fake death” open up to a MILES MATHIS mirror first and second instead of debunkers. Hotlinks in those mirror files trace the inbreds, and more files are mirrored and Robert Zerhunkel er….Bob’s your uncle, an unfiltered mirror archive is born.
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Aries said:
I got a question.
How do you think these elites raise their children? Do they grow up like us with toys, games, and etc.? Do they grow up with “love” and “affection”? Do they even get to enjoy their childhood?
I know it’s an odd question, but that has been lingering on my mind for a minute now. We know these people are psychopaths, but how can they guarantee that their sons and daughters will be psychopaths, too (comma for emphasis)? Do they perform some sort of conditioning?
They use the media to condition us, so it makes you wonder if they let their children use media, right? They have unhealthy food at fast food restaurants… so do they let their children eat at McDonald’s?
It’s just a few things I’ve been curious about.
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rolleikin said:
“Do they perform some sort of conditioning?”
Opinions differ on this. I happen to think they do because I’ve seen evidence of it. Not everyone here agrees, however.
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Aries said:
Do you have any examples of what they do?
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rolleikin said:
https://tinyurl.com/y5uzgx3x
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Michael Deloatch said:
@ Rolley – I especially like the nice logo on that page you linked. Hmm, seems somehow evocative of something…
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Kieran said:
I’m young (mid-twenties) and through university and my subsequent travels I’ve met a few children of lower-rank members of The Families. My impression is that they are just as corrupted by modernity as everyone else. Some of them go to public high schools like most people; a friend from first year when to high school with Stephen Harper’s son. I get the impression that they go through all the same brainwashing as we do growing up. Years ago I asked David Miller’s (former mayor of Toronto, sharing that distinction with Rob Ford [faked his death] and incumbent John Tory [Jewish trust fund kid]) son – who was studying Political Science – who his preferred political philosopher was, out of Locke, Hobbes, and Rousseau. He said Rousseau. Never a good sign. Sure, we might recognize now that all three of them were spooks, but Rousseau was the most invidious of the bunch. I really doubt that most low-ranking spooks know the big picture behind what’s going on. We on this forum probably have more understanding than they do. Like most of the sheep they may honestly believe what they’re doing is right, or at least can ignore the fitful prodding of conscience and work through compartmentalization. Out of sight, out of mind. I would think it is only the true psychopaths climbing the ranks that are let in on more of the unvarnished truth. Even the children of the elites don’t need to know more than what they need to know.
At the highest levels I think the upbringing would be much more intentional, but that is only speculation. I take an evolutionary view of things, and the ruling class has been selected for its ability to lie and manipulate. They have an instinct for it. It is further in their interest to lie and manipulate, if for no other reason than to keep their millennia-long charade going. Many in the ruling class also intend to be deceitful, beyond having mere instinct and interest. But I don’t think the elites require elaborate rituals to control the next generation. They have an extreme bias towards helping kin (see Rushton’s Genetic Similarity Theory) and a dualist ethics that permits the exploitation of out-groups for the benefit of the in-group. That by itself would be enough to keep most in line. The few wayward sons that do arise, perhaps Nietzsche or Thoreau, aren’t powerful enough to turn the tide.
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Aries said:
That’s a good take to it. What about the children that get involved in politics? I’m sure they must know what’s really going on. I’m sure they must be handpicked to be in that field. That’s just a guess.
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James said:
I think a decent example can be found in the Star Wars prequel. How the emperor slowly fed Anikin lies and mistruths and how to the audience or the Jedi council it was obvious, but to Anikin it wasn’t. I think that’s why spooks have so much talk of “handlers.”
This also goes along with my theory that the movies which get critically panned get panned because they reveal slightly too much. They don’t want us to watch them, or if we do they don’t want us critically examining them the way we examine “good” movies. It takes place slowly over two long movies and the scenes with the emperor and Anikin almost seem to have a completely different author than the dumber scenes.
Basically, the handlers slowly weed out the decent parts that these people are born with. One more reason to hate the spooks. I think the final end goal being that the spooks grow into a worldview carefully crafted in which the rest of us are to be seen more as cattle, or stupid children, than as intelligent human beings worthy of respect. That way they can compartmentalize it, in that perhaps from their point of view they are doing something good for us. The same way that they lie to crisis actors telling them they’re going to raise awareness and make America “safer” or some such nonsense.
That’s just my guess.
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Gerard Nordskoven said:
Doc Rockefeller, who made the family fortune selling mineral oil as a cancer cure, was known to constantly train all his children on how to trick and cheat people by tricking and cheating them. All the carney skills of false claims, short-changing and pocket picking are now writ large in the Rockefeller dynasts who captured medicine for dispensing oil- based drugs, for example. The Frankist “Jews” who were all formally booted from Judaism at the Council of Four Lands in Poland, are so “Brave New World” promiscuous from groomed childhood on that they have often outed themselves. One group in Europe showed Catholics a translation of the Talmud to get them to persecute decadent Talmudic Jews because of Jesus and Mary execrations therein. (That is like Hitler Phoenician Frankist Jews versus Jews. ) Then they said their holy books of numerology pointed to Jesus, can they become Catholics? After baptizing about 500, the Catholics soon booted them out for pervy behavior. Ditto the Mormon Frankist a who got punked by settlers who got wise to their child bride tenet. Two adult males of my acquaintance said they were boinked as children by pairs of Mormon “elders.” Their sexual boundaries were shattered to no good end and both abuse drugs.
Trust funders I know are generally on permanent stand-down, keep quiet and do nothing, like good fake liberal Phoenicians, no hunger and thirst for justice unless via a six-figure job. Catholics are so infiltrated the fake Sister Lucia of Fatima, Lucy2 with the Habsburg jaw, has never been openly outed by the fake Fatima traditionalists running half of the liberal versus conservative franchise that still eats Judaism. They love the money. This is the flowering of the avarice and secrecy training of childhood untouched by going through the religious motions. “Were it possible even the elect would be fooled.”
Our shared worldly cultural heritage is being given permission to hate as used to great effect in “The Dreyfus Affair.” But shooting Indians and NAZI’s and Muslims will suffice to aid AMORITE looting and genocide. AMORITES are the root semitic imposters from neo-Sumerians, neo-Assyrians, neo-Babylonians, neo-Irish starving Irish etc. to Neo-cons. God help us and keep the children from being scandalized.
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perplexed1984 said:
Gerard, would be interested in more detail on your comment if you have fleshed it out somewhere or could point to some resources.
A British spook, I’m sure, wrote a book called “The Races of the Old Testament” where he in a roundabout way stated that the Israelites were really Amorites who were racially European.
It’s getting clearer to me that the “reveals” by the Phoenis are rooted in their commercial law which hinges on consent to contract no matter how duplicitous they have to be to get it. Still trying to piece it all together.
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Kevin said:
Interesting.
This site makes the claim that “Israelite people are traceable through time to the Keltic and Germanic tribes of today.”
https://christogenea.org/articles/what-christian-identity
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Chris Ryska said:
@ Aries, I remember that Steve Jobs didn’t allow his children access to wireless devices.
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Gerry said:
How the spook elites can raise generations of ever more obnoxious psychopath overlords, and at the same time an army of half-knowing lesser spooklings willing to serve & advance these assholes, that’s one of the things I’m most interested in finding out. I have talked about some imagined “onion” system before, but I didn’t have a definite answer then, and I don’t have it now. There are many ways to maintain varying degrees of malice & knowledge among the spooks, and likely several are used.
My point is that when we on this forum really know more than many lesser spooklings, then the exposure to our knowledge should be able to shake some into opposition to their own nefarious system, just like it’d happen to mainstreamers. Mainstreamers are shielded by the barrage of propaganda, and lesser spooks probably get some more internal propaganda. But still, there are always some who make it through. I wonder what happens to them when they stumble over Miles’ site, and read their first article?
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Runar said:
Unless you are out of it, money doesnt matter. What matter is family and their networks, and the bankers have been spawning for centuries.
What enables them to create more spooks and lords are the economy scheme. All rationalisation and brutalisation processes have enabled the industrial lords to create the new jobs of society. And now we see the new hordes in spook and media jobs. Picked out to promote “liberalism” and tyranny religion/ideology under disguise of democracy.
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Sven Swensen said:
My two cents. The research Miles has done seems to turn up an unusually high number of gay actors in key positions. This leads me to believe that something about their upbringing steers them this way, or possibly they are screen and identified as gay early – and then pointed for certain key positions in the elite hierarchy. With them essentially becoming dead branches in the family tree, since they’ll have no blood descendants…just speculation…..
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Aries said:
Well, they say molestation is one of the main causes of homosexuality. There is definitely something fishy about their upbringing.
What are the odds that most of their children grow up as psychopaths just like them? How is that “naturally” possible? I’m thinking their children go through some special conditioning.
I remember Chelsea Clinton always appearing sad/gloomy back in the early 90s. Very suspicious.
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John James said:
Look at Assyria’s brutality and how all those first cities were constantly gobbling each other up to be the temporary king of Mesopotamia. Now imagine growing up in the environment of those rulers- which were at first rulers of mysterious priesthoods. Narcissism and criminality was absolutely normal for them.
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rolleikin said:
“The research Miles has done seems to turn up an unusually high number of gay actors in key positions. This leads me to believe that something about their upbringing steers them this way…”
Although there is evidently no “gay gene,” I have read several studies that show that gay orientation does tend to run in families. These are easy to find via google searches.
There is also evidence that increased testosterone levels in the womb can produce more gay offspring with both male and female babies. So, this may be something that they are doing to intentionally increase the odds of gay offspring.
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Josh said:
Another possibility is that homosexuals are selected for high profile spook positions. Miles has alluded to the idea that they choose people for their theatrical bent, and there seems to be a higher percentage of homosexuals (or gay men at least) with a taste for the theater.
Once I asked Miles about this, and he said something to the effect that sex is a great way to create solidarity. So it could be that the spooks recruit gay men because they are looking for people who will have sex with them as a way to maintain loyalty.
Of course the breeding/raising vs. selection hypotheses are not mutually exclusive. They can both be true to some extent.
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Crow's Nest said:
Something that I haven’t seen considered here is the topic of intersex individuals. I don’t have sources at the moment but I recall reading internet “rumors” about Nicole Kidman being born intersex and apparently this is something that is fairly well known among the masses in Australia. If this is true, it could explain her historically publicized fertility problems. Expanding further, the possibility of intersex celebrities could account for the rather widespread problems they seem to have with conceiving naturally.
From the Wikipedia page on Intersex:
“Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, ‘do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies’. This range of atypical variation may be physically obvious from birth – babies may have ambiguous reproductive organs, or at the other extreme range it is not obvious and may remain unknown to people all their lives.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
I’m starting to wonder if the whole transsexual psyop may have been clever misdirection away from intersex celebrities. Jumping to the conclusion that, for example, most female celebrities are really men trying to pass as women is a step to far in the wrong direction and can be easily dismissed by most people as outlandish. However, intersex individuals do exist and aren’t always easy to identify.
One publicly disclosed example is Belgian model Hanne Gaby Odiele, born with Androgen insensitivity syndrome, “…meaning that she was born with a vulva and vagina despite her DNA being XY and internal gonads being testes; Odiele’s cells do not respond to the testosterone that her DNA causes her gonads to produce.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanne_Gaby_Odiele
Probably one of the best Hollywood candidates for the intersex argument is Sandra Bullock. Consider her strange appearance in this interview she gave in 1989 at the age of 24:
Another oddity comes from her past while she was a college student. While interviewed by Ellen DeGeneres:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article211347744.html#:~:text=Asked%20about%20the%20%22weirdest%20thing,for%20drag%20queens%20during%20college.
“Asked about the ‘weirdest thing’ she ever did to make money, actress Sandra Bullock told Ellen DeGeneres on her show Thursday: ‘I used to open up for drag queens in North Carolina by dancing.’
“Really?” an astonished DeGeneres asked. “Where? Like at a club?”
“In North Carolina,” Bullock repeated. “College.”
“Oh my god,” DeGeneres said. “You were a precursor to the drag queens?”
“Yes,” Bullock replied.
“That’s fantastic,” replied the host.
Bullock’s revelation came during a segment of The Ellen Show’s “Burning Questions.
The Hollywood actress graduated with a bachelor of fine arts degree in drama in 1987 from the school in Greenville, N.C.”
To me, the above seems like a strange way for a young, heterosexual female to spend her college years. A young intersex individual, on the other hand, could find the experience very valuable training.
Interestingly, Sandra Bullock has no biological children but has adopted children.
Given our discussions here on the prevalence of the top families intermarrying and breeding with one another over multiple generations, is it possible that the phenomenon of intersexuality has been overlooked? There are historical examples of various genetic problems associated with close interbreeding, of course. What might be the prevalence of intersexuality among the ruling bloodlines; and furthermore, how transmissible is intersexuality among genetic lines? For example, one interpretation of the numerous Hollywood celebrities choosing to raise their biological children as non-binary is that, rather than simply being a gender confusion psyop for the masses, they are doing so because their biological children are born intersex and literally don’t know yet which gender they’ll lean towards.
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Popcorn said:
While I read your comment I was reminded of the movie “Predestination” (2014) so I was a bit skeptic on the possibility that intersex people really exist. But after I finished reading I thought, what if abnormalities in the Y gene are the result of the continuous incest in the ruling families and only apply to them? I’m not talking about normal homosexuality which exists in normal people, but intersex and other similar conditions.
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rolleikin said:
MM has mentioned the use of twins as substitutes for certain celebrities. I have seen a number of cases beyond those mentioned by him in which this appears to be the case as well. Enough that it is looking like a definite pattern to me. That is, multiple births are brought about by fertility drugs that are known to have this effect and which have been around since at least the 1950s in children pre-chosen as candidates for celebrity status. These multiples (literal clones) are kept out of the public eye and used when necessary to replace a celebrity later in life for various reasons such as premature death, insubordination, etc. The existence of these multiples may be unknown even to the original celebrity subject.
But, getting back to the question of why are there so many gays in these families, there are a number of studies that point to …
”…prenatal endocrine environment has a significant influence on human sexual orientation…”
https://tinyurl.com/y2cbaynd
In other words, it is known that hormonal changes in the womb can increase the odds of children who turn out to be gay and fertility drugs do cause hormonal changes in the womb. So, there may be a connection here. Of course, this is simply conjecture by yours truly, a non-medically trained conspiracy nut. 🙂
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Raymond D. said:
And yet the whole gay thing goes way back when. Go back a few hundred years and you get Gay Jewish Spooks. Go back 1000 years and you get the Gay Jewish Spooks. Go back 2000 years and you get the old Gay Jewish Spooks. Tis a hoary trope these days.
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rolleikin said:
“And yet the whole gay thing goes way back when.”
Good point.
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tony martin said:
The world is being run by mutants.
Doesn’t that make you feel all warm and cosy inside?
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Crow's Nest said:
It depends on which side you choose, Tony: Charles Xavier’s or Magneto’s.
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Raymond D. said:
Earlier Josh mentioned that Miles had mentioned that sex could be used as a way of creating solidarity between people. I’ve read that in Ancient Greece the elites actively encouraged relationships between younger and older men; it was seen as a vital part of the educational process that produced “the citizen”. This relationship was sexual in many instances, e.g. King Agesilaos of Sparta was the younger lover of Lysander in what was probably a pederastic relationship. I think also Aristophanes made some lewd jokes about the Athenian aristocracy and ever-widening holes!
So perhaps part of a Phoenician upbringing includes homosexuality as a social bonding mechanism aka a brainwubbing and a grooming. Throw in the tendency to keep it in the family and you begin to wonder what on earth a Phoenician education really entails. Looking at it from this point of view then you can see how nature and nurture might have reinforced this tendency until it is ingrained into the DNA…maybe? Perhaps only certain family members are selected for this…um…”theatrical” life. God help ’em.
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Graham said:
@ Raymond:
“So perhaps part of a Phoenician upbringing includes homosexuality as a social bonding mechanism aka a brainwubbing and a grooming.”
If so I think the practice should be referred to from herein as “bum binding”.
I am reminded of an old fashioned way a sheep farmer trains his sheepdogs,which is cruel but effective. Young dogs who think its more fun to worry the sheep and ignore the farmers instructions get the same treatment from the farmer as it would its own parent apparently. Namely the farmer bites into the dogs ear, lifts it from the ground and shakes it violently. Not a very subtle way of getting complete dog obedience from therein, and the farmer now has a life long sheep controlling ally.
So in Phoenicians I wonder if arse rape achieves the same objective
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Raymond D. said:
PS So the new pupil arrives at “The Finishing School for Phoenician Citizens” and is told three things: he must learn the Family Tree by heart; he will master spooky puns and markers; and he will have to shag his male cousins Oo
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Gerard Nordskoven said:
Study noted sex-linked disorders like Anorexia…That is caused by anemia obviously aggravated in menstruating females. Lucrative psych treatment retards this fact becoming known. Sex-linked like Tourettes? More in males because of fewer bilateral brain hemisphere connections in the smaller male Corpus Callosum, and that means focused, goal-oriented leader or stuck on stupid, but males also have less flex in verbal wiring arena so less compensatory circuitry to mask or filter out-of-whack verbals. Bad exemplars for endocrine study.
And the way high 3%-10% homosexual population claim was debunked years ago as agendized claptrap not supported by any legit data.
NAMBLA motto is “8 is too late” undergirding simple grooming model. These sketchy unclear nuclear Phoeny families seen in pasted photos would aid predation and block same-gender-parent bonding, a proven socialization factor in homosex tendencies.
And if increased testosterone makes male and female homosexuals, expectant mothers must not ingest, uh…testosterone. But if this were true, the physiology of high uterine testosterone has been easily bio-markered for years as seen in comparative “index” toe and finger lengths, so this new gee whiz research re: high uterine testosterone levels seems extremely suspect. The tickle handshake would have been unnecessary to signal to fellow homosexuals when a simple observation of comparative finger length would have sufficed.
This AMORITE truthless, ruthless rebellion, fake history, social imposture and subversive perversion is and has been applied by them to everything, especially in assailing the “Woman & Child”, the Genesis 3:15 foes of Satan & Seed. “Queen” means woman, gyne/ gwena / queen, so the Phoenies invented kings (and groomed boys) that God told the Jews to forego. They did not. But the decadent remnant of inheriting through the mom was useful… Now we are so brain stirred “woman” is used as a rebuke, “Your momma” is an insult, “bitch” is a form of address and all cultural absconding is decried except men dressing up like women. Feh! The real endocrine issue today is ESTROGEN DOMINANCE from stuff like plastics and marijuana and soy and birth control pills in recycled water deranging ovaries and testes of all us critters so this gender bending science is ultimately misdirection. In short, all affected should use progesterone creme, male and female, to block ESTROGEN DOMINANCE. Or is that JOE ROGAN DOMINANCE? Autocorrect knows best.
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tony martin said:
I think this has something to do with it too.
One former yale student turned journalist for the new york observer managed to capture on video tape one of the skull and bones rituals for neophyte pledges to the society.
These rituals include a mock human sacrifice, the kissing of a skull and various, embarrassingly juvenile taunts from elder bonesmen to these neophytes. Another infamous hazing ritual involves having a neophyte lie naked in a coffin, masturbate, and reveal their most secretive sexual experiences and fantasies.
What a family!
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They Live said:
That’s if we’re to believe that the ancient Greeks were rampantly diddling little boys. My guess is that’s about as likely as the world being flooded by intersex beings. From WIki:
“Leonard Sax estimated that the prevalence of intersex was about 0.018% of the world’s population.[141]”
Also from Wiki:
“Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., said in two articles in 2000 that 1.7 percent of human births (1 in 60) might be intersex, including variations that may not become apparent until, for example, puberty, or until attempting to conceive”
I’m too tired to unwind, but my two cents worth I’ll donate. We’ve been told that it was a cultural norm in Greece 2000 years ago to make us more sympathetic to abnormal relations today. The Phoeneys may have been running this operations for millennia. Hermaphrodite comes from the same time frame, linking us back to the intersex theme.
I’m not saying that homosexuals or genetic misfires don’t exist, simply that the background stories are suspect
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Raymond D. said:
@They Live
The Ancient Greek texts that were eventually translated into English all “travelled” through Phoenician centres of power and learning. I suppose there could be no other way because all such centres are by definition Phoenician. Thus the veracity of the texts will always be open to debate — the question is how much did the scholars funded by, say, the Medicis fake those old greek histories and dramas and pass ’em off as genuine?
Furthermore, those old stories only mention homosexual grooming amongst the elite and not the general populace. So there are two points to lightly unpack there: the homosexuality is as a result of grooming; and the numbers involved are small due to be consigned to the elites. So there is no question of inflating the numbers of homosexuals within the general population. It is was a matter of elite culture and indoctrination. Obviously I’m not denying the existence of genuine homosexuals.
Unfortunately today the cultural indoctrination of homosexuality is now being projected onto the general populace. It is now everywhere in the media and academia; I think Queer Theory regards everything as being Gay! Now whether this is part of another massive psyop — recall the Protocols hinting at instigating rampant liberality which leads to a conservative backlash — I just don’t know, but it is going on nonetheless.
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Raymond D. said:
@Graham
That is why I called it a grooming and a brainwubbing, i.e. euphemisms for physical and mental rape. The theory is that the Phoeny spooks are literally “bum-chums”; they think they’re special but they are just the brainwashed and abused. So much for all that power and wealth — they can’t even think nor act for themselves.
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Raymond D. said:
PS Part of the mind-job acted upon these scions of the ultra rich has to be the constant brow-beating into them of their “special” heritage and the “ways” of spookery, e.g. all that numerology marking. Combine that with the arse-banditry and you have a very special trooper indeed.
That about sums it up.
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Raymond D. said:
@They Live
I just remembered that it was a sub-set of the elite in Ancient Greece that pursued homosexuality. So the numbers are even smaller. You’re right that the mainstream media would have us believe that it was rampant. Xenophon, a rich writer from the Classical period, wrote a work about a symposium (a gentleman’s drinking party) at the end of which all the men eagerly return home to their wives, tipsy and thinking amorous thoughts. I think only one person walks off with a man, or a boy, and that was Socrates 😉
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Kieran said:
I’m interested what people here think of this news story: https://news.mongabay.com/2020/09/biologists-warn-of-extinction-denial-as-latest-anti-science-conspiracy/
It addresses the ‘anti-science conspiracy’ of denying the loss of global biodiversity. It’s a conspiracy theory I hadn’t heard before. Comparisons to global warming denial are made. There are three varieties identified: literal denial, denying that species extinctions are happening at an alarming rate; interpretive denial, alleging that economic growth with solve the crisis; and implicatory denial, minimizing the policy implications of the data. Personally, I don’t doubt that we are losing biodiversity and decimating ecosystems at a frightening rate. I just doubt that meaningful action will be taken against those truly responsible. If anything at all is done, it will probably be in line with the Agenda 2030 playbook of forcibly lowering the standard of living of the population.
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oregonmatt said:
@ Kieran-
Leading up to 2020, global warming, now known as “climate change”, was the incessant propaganda drone. 2020 brings the incessant drone of covid. They have of course been linked by articles pointing out how one silver lining of this ‘epidemic’ is the reduction of our carbon footprint, which we of course have to eliminate anyway if we want to save the planet, right? Pointing out the nonsense and the agenda of climate change makes one a denialist, “anti-science”. Ditto covid-19.
Extinction denial is another made-up disease (not that extinction is not real and an issue), manufactured to add one more wrinkle to the necessity of curbing mankind’s activities and freedom. I think you are correct in pointing out it is another sly nod to where they are herding us, agenda 2030. All of these feed into that agenda.
I just came across this paper by the esteemed Dr. Fauci: https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2931012-6. A lot of fake viruses are mentioned (including the current one), and this paper is another oblique bit of propaganda, somewhat like extinction denial, as he makes the case that humans are to blame for these ‘viral’ outbreaks, and that we will have to be reined in to protect nature from us and vice versa. His words are chilling in the context of where these agendas are meant to lead us.
From the paper:
“Living in greater harmony with nature will require changes in human behavior as well as other radical changes that may take decades to achieve: rebuilding the infrastructures of human existence, from cities to homes to workplaces.”
“The COVID-19 pandemic is yet another reminder, added to the rapidly growing archive of historical reminders, that in a human-dominated world, in which our human activities represent aggressive, damaging, and unbalanced interactions with nature, we will increasingly provoke new disease emergences. We remain at risk for the foreseeable future. COVID-19 is among the most vivid wake-up calls in over a century. It should force us to begin to think in earnest and collectively about living in more thoughtful and creative harmony with nature.”
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James said:
He forgot to add, “therefore we all must take our clothes off and dance around a giant wooden owl for guidance.”
The thing that really makes me sick is how smug these people are, how they can pretend to be so much more scientific than they are and still have a straight face.
The notion that not as many species as we’re told are going extinct has crossed my mind perfectly freely before. When almost everything they pretend to “know” about global warming is fiction and bad science, why trust whatever they link to global warming?
Another reason I’ve wondered, and this is just my true honest scientist brain, is that they claim to be able to know how many unidentified species have gone extinct. If you haven’t identified them, you’re really gonna look at me with a straight face and tell me how much variety there was in the things you didn’t even identify?
Also, speciation is a kind of con as well. It goes along with the genetic con that all you are is just a few strands of nucleotides. You were this close to being a banana. You’re nothing. You’re a useless worm and you should be grateful you have rulers as wise and benevolent and all-knowing as we are.
Seriously after seeing the massive lies thrown over on us, I’m surprised people here aren’t skeptical of every piece of information they cannot personally confirm. Who knows how many species there are and how many have gone extinct, but I sure as hell don’t trust Harvard and Oxford to tell me anything remotely resembling the truth about it.
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Graham said:
Good rant, I’m in total agreement
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Patrick said:
I especially like the “therefore we all must take our clothes off and dance around a giant wooden owl for guidance” part. How many steps remain between mindlessly wearing masks and dancing around the owl?
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Graham said:
In the UK we’ve had morris dancers dancing round the maypole for centuries.
Though to be fair I think its supposed to represent a penis, not an owl.
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James said:
Appreciate it. I’ve got an inborn hot temper I’ve been suppressing for a long time. Seeing him talk about nature as if he has any clue, well, it takes work to translate the vitriol it inspired into coherent thoughts.
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Relax and live well said:
I wouldn’t be surprised if the so-called ‘nature reserves’ turned out to be another land-stealing schemes by the spooks under the guise of ‘protecting nature’.
Wicked-pedia: “Visits are allowed only with permission, and only for educational or scientific purposes.”
If the spooks keep cramming the masses like sardines into the cities, I wouldn’t be surprised seeing the majority of areas outside the cities being made into ‘nature reserves’.
Did anyone notice how ‘well-trained’ the masses are quick of censuring anyone seen as being ‘physically’ lazy and at the same time conveniently ignoring those who are being ‘mentally’ lazy?
Nothing except robots do beat physically diligent but mentally lazy workers to be sure.
Why does waking up early in the morning is seen as ‘good’ even if we do not get enough sleep, while waking up late in the afternoon is seen as ‘bad’ even if we do get enough sleep?
I don’t think I need to explain the real reason…
Did anyone here was taught that your right hand is the ‘good’ hand and your left hand is the ‘bad’ hand by parents, teachers or anyone from the older generations without any logical explanation?
We’re quite familiar with ‘sinister’ and ‘dexterity’ but I just noticed the similarity between the word ‘aristerá/αριστερά'(‘left’ in Greek) and ‘aristocrat/aristocracy/the spooks’.
Combine that with the fact that the ‘old’ right/old wealth/the spooks are the enemies of the ‘old left’.
Did anyone has similar opinion as mine?
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Raymond D. said:
Oh ffs, I didn’t know that!
starts cutting down maypole erected…um…installed in backyard
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Gerard Nordskoven said:
Morris (Dancers ) below Morris the NOAH family name as developing Egyptian and esp. canals and Lake Morris. Maypole is technology of Noah’s Ark wrapping composite laminate rosin-bound massive stem and stern posts, remembered as twin pillars of temples; and binding flotation bundles per mariner David Fasold THE ARK OF NOAH; and rope spinning, two left twist one right. Spin is all!
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James said:
After venting, it occurs to me that it could be akin to them creating the flat earth movement as a way to dismiss people. This can be lumped in with calling someone a creationist as a way to dismiss them.
Also, I don’t know any biologists personally, but I don’t see why any of them would care what conspiracy theories we believe in. At least not the lower level ones. Seems completely irrelevant to the work they do whether or not somebody believes something non-mainstream. They’re supposed to be brainy, nerdy scientists doing work completely divorced from all subjective reality. Oh, there I go using pesky logic again to shut down another Phoenician headline trick.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
It is obvious that TPTB are planing to globally designate food-producing-areas for human and farm animal consumption. Those [depopulated] areas of intensive and highly regulated food production will be owned by corporations, since only global corporations will be able to comply with FAO’s fine-print regulatory demands (written in the name of environmental protection by the same corporations, but really to reduce competition). Those designated areas will be private and inaccessible to general public, thus no real public oversight will be possible over food quality and production practices. Outside those areas the regulations will prohibit any food production for human and farm-animal consumption under the guise of environmental/biodiversity protection. That means no more middle/small farmers globally, only extensive hobbyists and those employed in cultural-landscape maintenance (micro farmers).
Article also says:
‘- Robert Watson, former chair of IPBES [Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services, founded by FAO], is confident that the biodiversity community is up to the task. “While not all climate or biodiversity experts are politically savvy or able to deal with the skeptics, politicians or the media, there are more than enough who understand the science-policy interface and can counter unfounded accusations and the misuse of evidence, … Overall, I am not worried by the deniers, … But I am worried that governments may not be able to deliver the actions that are required to conserve and restore biodiversity in a timely manner, in order for biodiversity to play its role in achieving the Sustainable Development Goals. Unless climate change, land degradation and biodiversity are addressed together, we will fail.” -‘
I read that as:
Watson personae is admitting that FAO has enough control over science-policy interface [we own all doors and those who use them to revolve], which is in his view obviously the most important tool to influence decisions globally in premeditated direction – Sustainable Development Goals – and in time allotted. Though there are some experts [naive do-gooders] still not under full grip of corporate food-lobby agenda, they will be easily purged from policy decision making process by the use of tactics of unfounded accusations and misinterpretation of evidence. It is not the public or deniers that can stall FAO’s project trajectory, it is inactivity of governments that he (Watson/FAO) is worried about [inactivity=unwanted decisions]. Decisions of those pesky parliaments around the world need to be circumvented by overwhelming them with Climate&Land&Biodiversity&[Pandemic] time-saving-crisis-battery-packet.
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thechemicaluniverse said:
maybe it is time to update the old game of monopoly. The winners of the last game are called the aristocrats as they own everything and control the bank. New players get loans from the “bank” at some interest rate, compounded each time they pass go. They get the privilege of buying properties they land on and forming partnerships with aristocrats, but they control the rents other players pay when they land on a property. They can also sell properties back to the bank when they need money.. Now if players lose everything they become wageslaves and are sent to work at “MacDonalds” to watch the games and have to try and save their salaries and Trump stimuus checks to afford to reenter the game. Havent quite worked out all the rules but I AM SURE IT WOULD BE LOADS OF FUN.
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Josh said:
Looks like another thing that’s happening under COVID cover is the FAA approval of widespread drone deliveries. Within a few years there may be millions of drones flying around delivering shit to people who are too afraid to leave their houses. I have to wonder if they are just going to keep hitting us with a stream of new and scary viruses. Maybe that’s why they’re calling this ‘the new normal’?
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3849996,00.html
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tillandsiausneoides said:
I think they’re starting to use drones for delivery, so people will easily accept their increasing presence. But this is another means of automation and loss of delivery jobs. More importantly, they’re going to be using drones not just for delivery, but for surveillance and eventually punishment and even elimination of people.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
It could go down something like this fictional scene:
https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-52/#comment-75543
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MathisderMaler said:
THere will be no new normal for me. I was living in the 1970s before Covid and will still be after Covid.
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MathisderMaler said:
By the way, they should call it the new abnormal. Nothing was ever normal.
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Michael Deloatch said:
I have scoffed at the “new normal” from the first time the phrase affronted my ears. Logically and mathematically, there is at all times exactly one deterministic normal i.e. the sum of all data points in a set divided by the number of samples. Not even the Almighty can change that, any more than he could make 2 + 2 = 5. (Yes, I know what is meant by the controllers by these words.) Like Miles here, I have decided, meh, I will continue to determine what my life is and its attributes.
Speaking of current events and chutzpah, here are “a few of my favorite things”
for 2020, as snapped from my back yard in an east coast US state yesterday afternoon. 5G and a tangerine sun — what’s not to love? Today the sun was more of a cotton candy pink which I didn’t photograph. Meanwhile, the ONION has the audacity to make nationwide pollution from the western state arson one of its jokes today.
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipO3C-V0KSrHLANHHYXrZyiHVRQqGx97wzNLL8LG
https://www.theonion.com/smoke-from-california-wildfires-creates-hazy-skies-nati-1845082806
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPWJtkSHT5Q5VdkiCdJNPesHd5yHP_VxY1pRir7
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kocotube01 začasni said:
@ Josh
Not just with a stream of ‘new and scary’ viruses, but the highest damage will be done by frequency of ‘new, abnormalizing realities’ unleashed on the public. Flying this – adaptation required; electric that – adaptation required; virtual this – adaptation required; individualized that – customization required; … Wave after wave after wave… all prodded up with marketing/propaganda/schooling/science complex
Lifetime of ‘education’ for obedient global citizen is upon us.
Can’t keep up? You must be old then, help will be provided (or you can buy automated service packet). You should also check your mental health. We can offer you…
Can’t remember/understand new regulations? Small print will be explained to you by digital service scheme after signing up for a fee.
Are you sure you can do that outdoors without violating some regulations? Mechanical chaperon will be provided.
You can’t buy it, but you can lease it, even for life (first 33 days are free).
Regarding your current financial status, you should voluntarily spend more on goods to relieve the strain on the public finances (otherwise you will be additionally taxed). You will receive notice when your consumption has reached the public financial equilibrium level. Other option is to blend your personal CLOUD account with the Cloud-Corporation, which will provide you with additional financial autonomy (read small print)..
You have entered class C public taxi of our autonomously driven service. In the event of a car crash, class A and class B vehicle passengers will have priority life saving procedures activated. Class C has none such procedures. Do you concur?
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oregonmatt said:
@Josh-
For support of this, did you see the Fauci article I posted above? According to him, all the scary ‘viruses’ of the past give us reason to fear the new ones that are surely coming. A couple of quotes from the paper are also copied above.
https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2931012-6
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Kevin said:
Of course there is an unlimited supply of fake viruses.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Even as all the scary “tyrants” of the past throughout history of humankind have absolutely zero bearing on the potentialities of 2020, nothing to see here, no way that could ever happen, move along folks…
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rolleikin said:
Seems to me that drone deliveries would make theft very easy for thieves. They could park in upscale neighborhoods and watch for approaching drones and snatch the packages from doorsteps.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
@ rolleikin
Don’t give them new ideas, to Phoenicians that is. They will crate a pirate drone – to be sold on the black market under their control – for every official and registered one. Pirate (shadow) drones will then steal from registered ones (stealing from people) and then whole additional Cloud Navy Fleet of defender drones will be charged on the public tab.
1 registered drone paid by customers)
+ 1 shadow drone (charged on customers)
+ 2 Navy defender drones (paid by the public) just to equalize the numbers
= 4 drones to ‘support’ one’s transactions.
Very inefficient, slow and expensive, but that is bureaucrat’s goal (vision of heaven).
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Thomas said:
No wonder we see so many Covid 19 cases.
From 12,000 to 379,000 dollars for each case.
My question, why the big difference in payment?
State-by-state breakdown of federal aid per COVID-19 case
“https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/state-by-state-breakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html”
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perplexed1984 said:
I think the states are given fixed amounts of money by the Federal government so these numbers reflect that total divided by the number of cases. Of course little makes sense any longer so who knows…
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custardcat said:
If anyone knows where to find it I would love this same data for Australia…
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custardcat said:
If anyone knows of a source I would love to see the same figures for Australia.
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Thomas said:
Above post, actually payments goes up to $471.000 for West Virginia
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tony martin said:
What’s up with the wildfires?
I heard yesterday that breathing the smoke was equal to smoking 400 cigarettes’ in one day. That equals 20 packs a day.
Does anybody live near there to give us a first hand account?
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rolleikin said:
I live a few miles from one of the fire areas (the “Bobcat Fire”). The smoke was quite bad for several days. In fact, I voluntarily put on a mask when outdoors due to my throat getting raw from smoke inhalation. The sky was completely covered with a gray blanket (and not from clouds) and the Sun was dim and red. It’s much better now and I just returned from doing some errands and I noticed no smoke at all.
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Phil C said:
I live in the Willamette valley, OR. I can confirm, the smoke is so bad I can’t stand to be out in it for more than a half hour. We pretty much have been in the 400+ on the air quality index (hazardous) since the 8th. They say it should move out by Friday but I’m not too sure. Comparing it to 20 packs of cigarettes a day sounds a bit extreme. I felt worse smoking a pack a day years and years ago, in my early 20’s. Right now I am experiencing a constant headache, a little bit of chest pain, stingy eyes, and overall I feel like trash. I long for a breath of fresh air..
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garrettderner said:
This map shows it; it can be set to view various particulates and chemicals: https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/particulates/surface/level/overlay=pm2.5/orthographic=-50.35,17.33,374
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Phil C said:
That’s cool! I’ve been using this one:
https://zoom.earth/#view=44.498,-122.51,7z/date=2020-09-16,20:10,-7/layers=fires
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Aries said:
About the wildfires, what are you guys’ thoughts? Natural or purposely done?
The answer might be “obvious” to some, but questions like this are what gets us to think; our brains stay sharp by that.
It’s on the mainstream news, so I’ve been questioning whether it was intentionally done or by chance. What do you guys think?
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rolleikin said:
“About the wildfires, what are you guys’ thoughts? Natural or purposely done?”
Purposely done. Set by FD people who know how to set them to create maximum visual effect and minimum property damage.
99% of what burns in these fires is simply wild foliage that quickly grows back. Fires are a necessary part of the life cycles of wilderness areas. Many plant species depend on periodic fires for their continued survival. The media shows the flames and sobs about how horrible the devastation is but it really isn’t. It all grows back in short order. A few homes are lost, that’s true, and the smoke has caused problems but the press greatly exaggerates those losses. Meanwhile, the media convinces the dopes that it’s all due to climate change and they better be afraid. Here is CA they used to blame arsonists for the fires but in recent years they’ve switched to blaming climate change.
A week or two ago we had some very high temperatures for a few days. It hit 115°F in my area. The press pushed how it was the hottest Summer on record, etc but I doubt that. Up until we had that hot weather we’d been having the coolest Summer I’d ever experienced here in Southern California. For two months we had below normal temps and then a few days of very hot temps which I don’t think works out to the “hottest Summer on record” at all. Then, just after the hot weather, we get the fires to “underscore” the horrible climate change and .. uh, oh … we all better be afraid ’cause we’re all gonna die soon.
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Wayne said:
“Minimal property damage”, not in Happy Camp, CA, Phoenix, OR, and other places. Many homes burnt to the ground. I was listening to the Jackson County, OR scanner feed as they were evacuating and firefighters were battling the fires in the mobile home parks. Fire chief requesting additional assets when none were available.
I don’t know anyone at all, real world or internet, who has died or been sick due to the viral panic. We could be in the middle of the most massive real life role playing hoax ever. Bodies supplied by elderly terminal care facilities, as in the Pittsburgh synagogue hoax.
Back to the fires, however, on one forum, there are two people who have lost their homes to these fires. Another member managed to evacuate in his RV that he was working on.
Maybe they are targeting certain areas for suburban and rural renewal. Like Paradise, CA, a conservative area.
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Jared Magneson said:
Up here near Seattle, on a 500-foot hill overlooking the valley, we’ve watched as numerous fires have “erupted” along the freeway corridors of Interstate 5 and Highway 167, the two main N/S highways here on the West Coast. Almost all the fires have been along these roads, which I have lived by my entire life. There was a huge one up Highway 410 on the way to the Cascade Mountains which caused my sister and brother to be displaced, but again, these are all major highways.
Not one of these fires were naturally caused. It’s not a thing. These are urban/semi-urban/suburb areas, and it hasn’t rained or stormed in months now. There’s no lightning.
Atop that, there have been dozens of arrests but these are ineffective to say the least. One man in Oregon was allegedly released on bail from his first arson and then set seven more before getting arrested again. One man from Puyallup, my recent home city, was arrested for an arson, made bail, then arrested the next morning for a burglary.
Who is paying these people to do these things? One guess.
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Wayne said:
The lightning story looked bogus to me. Every time I checked
http://www.blitzortung.org there were no strikes in CA, OR, WA, ID, NV, AZ, UT. Nearest strikes were in TX and OK.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Donning my tinfoil hat and slipping into my Faraday cage for careful cogitation, methinks perhaps they are purposefully filling the atmosphere with particulates so that the northern hemisphere can’t see that great big asteroid heading our way. A lot more cost efficient than cranking up the ‘trailing.
Purging the land for its new owners? Driving the human herd to stampede into cities? Satanic inversion to do the worst possible thing about “climate change” — i.e. dump maximal CO2 ?
Traumatized by prickly heat as babies and just plain mean?
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Michael Deloatch said:
Oh yeah, I forgot a big one: culling humanity when crops fail. Why wait for a random meteoric impact to spawn mass extinction when you can roll your own?
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ATallOne said:
Came across some news about a CVD test to return results in 30 seconds.
““https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2020/ai-can-test-for-covid-in-just-20-seconds.html”
And another one at the end of the article- breathalyser with results in 3 minutes.
(I can image a test that is fake that is pre-set to have a certain number of positive test results. Very lucrative. Terrible for the person testing “positive”.)
Then someone is quoted questioning whether the new test will be accurate, and then there is the point “but a person could be carrying it and not test positive”. Surely some people think “really what is the point?” If only a big chunk of people stood up and said “no more”.
I believe the images of a policeman pinning a protester to the ground in Melbourne Australia while encircled by 6 more policemen are being used to scare people. As though the person had just committed murder. (You can be arrested for protesting in Australia.)
Other people tell me that maybe 1 in 6 people still seemed to be freaked out wearing masks and keeping their distance, while other people behave as pre-cvd-normal. The more normal people don’t want to upset the freaked out people or be seen to be difficult. And so the circus continues on.
There was an article in the NYTimes and it mentions “the fence” so many times, saying the countries that have best tackled the COVID-19 pandemic are the ones who erected fences, and that means banning international travel, not allowing people to cross borders, as well as limits on movement within cities. (The second lockdown in Melbourne Australia focusing on a poor area and community housing reeked of intentional fanning the flames between the haves and have nots. Especially with news stories of “flagrant breaches” of the rules.)
The article feels like a step towards splitting cities into zones aka many dystopian fictional worlds like in Hunger Games. I truly hope this doesn’t result in physical fences or even gated communities. But then again it isn’t hard to jump a fence. Much harder to jump a wall. ( I’m pretty sure the author would have used “the wall” if only that didn’t have other connotations – ie “We are going to build a wall”).
Much effort went into the diagrams showing counts change over time (using a data visualisation program like Tableau). Governments have had lots of fun building tools like this to provide up to the minute data and appear to be Evidence-based. So hard to look at when it is all propaganda.
“To beat C, build a better fence.”
“https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/14/opinion/politics/coronavirus-close-borders-travel-quarantine.html”
Do you ever wonder whether people saying on this forum “Well they should be wrapping up that cvd hoax this month” becomes a reason the higherups decide to extend it – just because they can?? To demonstrate how the whole circus is completely under their control.
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rolleikin said:
The NY Times has published a ridiculous article titled “How Climate Migration Will Reshape America” here:
https://tinyurl.com/y5zx8vcu
They seem to be saying that climate change has become so horrific that huge numbers of people which they call “Climate Refugees” will move to new areas. As a lifelong Californian, I find the first paragraph of the article describing alleged recent weather events in California to be hysterically funny in its inaccuracies and exaggerations:
“August besieged California with a heat unseen in generations. A surge in air-conditioning broke the state’s electrical grid, leaving a population already ravaged by the coronavirus to work remotely by the dim light of their cellphones. By midmonth, the state had recorded possibly the hottest temperature ever measured on earth — 130 degrees in Death Valley — and an otherworldly storm of lightning had cracked open the sky. From Santa Cruz to Lake Tahoe, thousands of bolts of electricity exploded down onto withered grasslands and forests, some of them already hollowed out by climate-driven infestations of beetles and kiln-dried by the worst five-year drought on record. Soon, California was on fire.“
BTW, it pretty much always hits 130F in Death Valley. It’s one of the hottest places on Earth and it’s why they call it Death Valley. Nobody but lizards live there anyway. And, lightning is hardly “otherworldly.” I’ve seen no lightning at all anytime this Summer but so what if I did? Thunderstorms happen most every year. I have yet to see it “crack open the sky” but I guess that is supposed to mean it rained. So what? And, I guess the “thousands of bolts of exploding electricity” also refers to lightning. But, again, so what?
I think maybe they want people to move out of California so property values will drop and then they can buy it up before it goes up again. 🙂
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James said:
Gee, I wonder if forcing everyone to convert their homes into offices had anything to do with power losses? Of course, that supposes that the blackouts weren’t deliberately planned and executed just to be used in an excuse exactly like this.
They’ve been talking about climate refugees for 15 years now. These things will never come to pass because the Phoneys don’t understand science, and couldn’t implement it if they wanted to, it’s just another lie designed to get people to buy hybrids and electric cars and it’ll be used to pass carbon taxes which will of course just enrich the Phoneys.
I don’t go in for them being master social engineers. They are just in the business of constant fear and lies because that opens people’s wallets up and turns off their brains.
And as an aside I don’t believe they have some secret dastardly plan to cull the population. If you’ve ever lived in an area that isn’t densely populated, you know there’s more than enough land for many many many more people. More people means more dupes. They don’t want less dupes, they want more of them.
Also, too many fake conspiracy sites try to spread the fear of population culling. Those sites are intelligence fronts. That is information warfare. Many people who buy that end up becoming preppers who buy far more than they actually need. Gee who wins I wonder when I buy 40,000 cans of tuna? The Phoneys? Oh right yes that’s who.
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Wayne said:
The aim of social engineers is never to be “good” at what they do.
There is no science that supports Carbon as the only source for warming. Just a “consensus” of people, who receive funding dependent on promoting the project. They have to believe in man made warming or they will have find another scam.
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Sven Swensen said:
You can argue about the science of climate change, but that’s not the point. It’s simply the rallying point for changes coming down the pike to lower our standard of living, lower our carbon footprint, and control the economic collapse that’s baked into the cake.
You may not want to be a climate refugee, but don’t be surprised to see relocations as part of the requirements to continue to get food, shelter and clothing. It’s a wartime footing we’re being placed on, and the restrictions on U.S. citizens during World War II (meatless Tuesdays, gas rationing, the draft, etc.) will be a walk in the park compared to what’s coming. Think of how many citizens are dependent on government handouts? What are their other options?
I think we’ll see 40-50 millions jobs lost by this time next year. The numbers are pointing that way…
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Orsen Carte said:
Unscientific American finally gets woke and will go broke: endorses Bidet
“– https://www.bitchute.com/video/kVJiU39NxWKT/ –”
(enclosed in quotes and dashes to avoid those mega-tumb nails)
some amusing comments under the video
“This really isn’t news. I gave up on SA a decade ago when they started going political”
“SA went “woke” in 90s ”
“unspeakably unhinged ”
” full of wokeism”
“Woke Science”
“all-in on the anthropogenic global warming hysteria”
“All of those science mags for the regular guy were compromised long ago. Actually by the mid 2000’s any magazine you could buy off the rack were infiltrated”
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MathisderMaler said:
Good to see my readers there, doing their jobs well.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
@ Miles
Don’t want to steal your time, just wondering if you have time to read this short draft article, titled: ‘Violation of the zeroth law of turbulence in space plasmas’ and reason towards a better explanation for those ‘thermal walls’ in the Sun’s surface plasma observations.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2009.02828.pdf –
Article says:
“… we show that in strongly magnetized plasma turbulence such as that recently observed by the Parker Solar Probe (PSP) spacecraft, the zeroth law is routinely violated. … Namely, when such turbulence is “imbalanced” …nonlinear conservation laws imply the existence of a “barrier” at scales near the ion gyroradius.”
I have to admit that I have difficulty reading the article, specially I can’t visualize their proposed Helicity-barrier. What could be the explanation for ion-radius thermal blockage other then magnetic precession, if there is such barrier even possible at that radius in reality?
I myself would argue that observed ‘thermal walls’ are consequence of two opposing photonic flows – the incoming to and the outgoing from the Sun – and the region in between of both is where ions (or better said all particles caught there) get spun extremely and then release that (gyro)spin (as charge) explosively. Heck, it could even mean, that newly ‘fused’ elements are being dumped where cooler regions are observed. But that is just my layman’s try.
If this is wasting your time, I’m sorry to have bothered you.
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Josh said:
@kocotube01
I think you should e-mail your question to Miles directly to be sure he sees it.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
@ Josh
Thanks for the kind tip Josh, but I don’t want to bother him. If he sees this, then OK, if he doesn’t then OK, too. If someone else wants to take a look, very good.
Josh, I finally got through your Butler’s racket – part 1 – and: … what a job, excellent! Huge effort. ‘Life’s a racket’ .. and ‘angles upon angles upon’:…liked those.
Then I tried to think of an appropriate Slovenian word for racket and found none that would easily, straightforwardly and accurately convey the message. That means I can’t talk to others without explaining subtleties implied in that word, racket. If a language doesn’t have an easily recognizable word, how could people even begin to weed out the practices and people reflected in it? Or, … if you don’t have a word for it, you don’t acknowledge certain practices being present in your environment. In Slovenia we are still in the naive, romantic pre-phase of crony capitalism (free market will take care of all problems); so far we recognized (our media that is) privatization tycoons, road building barons and shadow forces behind the capital investments (debate kept always on the superficial political left/right level of shadow influence). If there wasn’t a 2008 cash crisis which exposed those actors to the extent that they were caught (with their trousers at their knees) without liquid cash, we wouldn’t even recognize those malevolent insider practices. But to think and speak of dynastic play-all-sides inbreed-crypto-actors, well … we sure need this current global scam theater to fail first. That would push us to develop appropriate antennae and find words needed to be able to see and speak of The BIG game(rs).
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MathisderMaler said:
I have trouble taking seriously anything called a zeroth law, but just reading what you have here, I would say you are on the right track.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
Oh, Miles, you answered already, just after I have answered to Josh and made me lough. Thanks. It is funny,… the O-th law.
I also had to look it up and then noticed that article is using some variation of it – the 0-th law of turbulence – but I guess it is same thing (turbulence as thermodynamic process,leading to thermal equilibrium, I guess). Magnetic turbulence and thermodynamics, big words used to describe what we are looking at on the surface of the Sun, but no detailed explanation. All their reasoning stops at the diameter of an atom and mathematical models begin their reign. I guess that they themselves have a wall, mental barrier, at those lengths.
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Wayne said:
“magnetic plasma” appears in jup.pdf, “Music from Jupiter”.
Relevant section, page 2:
“This is precisely why Space Today falls back on plasma explanations, and finally admits plasma physicists believe that current in the Io-Jupiter system is carried by a type of magnetic plasma wave called Alfven waves. However it works. . . .
They don’t know how it works. They give it new names: plasma and Alfven waves, but don’t tell you what those are composed of or here they fit into the old equations. I am telling you they are composed of photons, are equivalent to charge, and fit into the old equations as charge. This is the unified field.”
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Gerard Nordskoven said:
MILES the Morris Dancers around the Maypole are the NOAH family name seen in developing Egyptian canals and Lake Morris with over-under Noah’s Ark building and binding laminate pole construction, glueing with hot rosin by a guy in a wickerwork lift basket as I now see. Hot rosin caught on fire and industrial accident memorialized as burning wicker king, a job boss probably none too careful and had splashed hot rosin on workers. Laminates seen in ARK OF NOAH by mariner DAVID FASOLD re: Mt. Judi ARK find in Turkey. Blessings on your birthday!
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thechemicaluniverse said:
I wonder why in SoCal there are not more mass protests?? But maybe a serious organized boycott of fast food and box stores and Amazon until flu season ends might be more effective???
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suntzufighting said:
Aaaand the second wave is here, or at least in Europe.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/17/europe/coronavirus-europe-who-second-wave-intl/index.html
If people accept this, they have fully earned their right to slavery. These Phoeneys do not seem to get tired of winning.
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Raymond D. said:
The joke is that they even admit in their published documents that there would be 2 pandemic trials in 2020, right up to September. So they said it to our faces that it is all pretend. Infuriating. Disappointing.
What really grates is suspecting how many middling managers and professionals know it is all a scam. I’ll never fully trust any of ’em ever again.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
Aaannnd …
don’t forget on 102nd wave of Spanish influenza A H1N1 virus.
We should begin putting on 2 masks simultaneously, one for each virus; the first one designated as 2nd wave mask and the second mask marked as 102nd wave protection. We should also have hand sanitizers clearly marked for each virus. And additional unsocial distancing, doubling the current one to 4m.
And another mask for the Swine flu, mask number 3, marked as wave 13 protection
and mask No.4, Sars-Cov1 mask, marked as wave 19 protection.
And distancing increased to at least 16 meters (50 feet), roadside testing for all and much needed statistics for each respective virus incidence 24/7 news. Phone distancing apps for each and inspectors in public places, color coded, specialized to to hunt down ‘Spreaders’ of each virus.
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James said:
Had some piece of junk street art come up on my Chromecast background. It had a Latin phrase and some crappy art: “sic semper erat et sic semper erit”
Translates to “this is what it always was, and will always be”
I googled that phrase and the artist that made the mural came up first as Faith 47.
Supposedly from South Africa or some nonsense. Seems like a total spook phrase to me, being pushed by Google, with spook numbers.
Phoneys don’t expect most to bother interpreting it correctly. Also shows off their arrogance believing they’ll run things forever.
It was up in Rochester, NY for whatever that means to somebody.
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They Live said:
I’m reminded of the original spooky origins of this line of thought:
“The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” Ecclesiastes 1:9
The clergy would have us believe this is someone whining about the monotony of daily life, but we can read it many other ways. I tend to read it as “you are powerless to effect change”. I remember finding it a terribly depressing thought in Sunday school whatever way I understood it at the time.
Other modern variations are “What it is, what it was, what it shall be” I think that was coined in the awful Good Morning Vietnam, and also the dreaded “It is what it is”
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James said:
Right I remember that one from Gerry’s articles now. It was pointed out as interesting because it was apparently written by a king. Why would a king be complaining about being powerless to change anything? It was an excellent insight into the presence of hidden power even then.
I had never seen it in Latin like that before. Reminded me of the story of John Wilkes Booth yelled Sic Semper Tyrannis after shooting Lincoln, but we know that’s bogus.
Upon digging deeper into Google results, one of the earliest was for a company called Deloitte which must be one of the biggest companies almost no one has heard of. Privately owned, 300K employees.
They were most recently linked to bad expanded unemployment websites in various states because of Covid. Very strange company. The phrase came up in a blog about technology they had written at some point.
I had seen that company not a half hour earlier during a commercial during the US Open golf. They apparently have quite the presence in the Middle East as well.
I see what Miles means about the muses now. Gets me wondering about how privately owned companies fit into the puzzle as compared to public companies, as I had just read Miles’ article about Blackrock/Vanguard again earlier.
So this little phrase sucked me into a good little rabbit hole.
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Runar said:
DeLoitte is a big one, started by a Levite, in the 19th century. Here they even have their internal newspaper. What they really are doing seems to be a thing for investigation. I guess they as a lawyer firm are involved in creating schemes for legal theft. As PWC.
As a secretary of an organisation, years ago, I received a letter from them, a kind of marked analysis, an attempt to find out where money was.
I would bomb these before i take banks.
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Stephen said:
I much prefer to say “Toilette and Douche” rather than “Deloitte and Touche” as it’s more descriptive of their business. They’re all over government and banking IT, too.
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Gerry said:
I didn’t know as much about punnery then as I do now. Even in the Ecclesiastes book, which is already spooky, there may be puns beneath the literal text. Samson is supposed to come from שמש šmš for “sun”, but that word is similar to צמץ ṣmṣ for “veil”. And the word הבל hbl for “vanity” also has the (rare) meaning of “faking” & “feigning” (not yet published).
So, the famous Ecclesiastes phrase
“Vanity of vanities! All is vanity! Nothing is new under the sun!”
could really mean
“Fakery of fakeries! All is fake! Nothing is new behind the veil!”
😐
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3rd doorman said:
“There is no new thing under the sun” will never be a true statement IMO. Thanks for pointing out its biblical, I usually offer lasers and rocketry as “new”.
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Michael Deloatch said:
“whatever that means to somebody”
To me it summons Jack Benny’s voice saying “Oh, Rochester…”
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Wayne said:
“Faith 47” is probably actively promoted by the Usual Suspects. Might play into the race war project. I had recently seen that pseudonym somewhere on the Internet as well.
The “47” is a marker.
Odd thing about 09/18 in history. CIA and USAF were officially birthed as of 09/18/1947.
Not so well known, Sun Myung Moon held an large event in NYC at Madison Square Garden on 09/18/1974, that was announced to be a “Rebirthday” event for participants. 47 -> 74? Moon had KCIA, therefore CIA, ties. Moon had two Korean Colonels close to him, one was his interpreter, a public figure, known to be KCIA, the second was behind the scenes, attached to Moon’s residence and was a driver/bodyguard for Moon’s eldest daughter.
As someone posted here earlier, 9 is 1 plus 8, aces and eights, Chai.
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perplexed1984 said:
Good overview of the recent Pennsylvania court ruling against the state lockdown by a lawyer.
https://overcast.fm/+cuTzoCUQ8
He gives a bunch of reasons to not get excited about it, mainly because the legal system is such a sham.
Found this podcast from a comment here, and it’s got a lot of good info and perspective, mainly in disabusing people of the notion that the government is anything other than a racket.
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Loan said:
Thank you perplexed. Listened to it. Very, very enlightened.
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They Live said:
The ratings and writing spooks are rehashing another miserable hoax for our viewing pleasure once again:
Challenger: The Final Flight
Four-part docuseries on the 1986 Challenger space shuttle disaster, unpacking an indelible moment for a generation of Americans.
From the IMBD blurb for the trailer, “this series offers an in-depth look at one of the most diverse crews NASA assembled”
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12930534/
The only thing diverse about the crew are the various locales they were distributed to after the scam
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James said:
Followup on Latin phrase and Deloitte. From the Wikipedia article for the “Big Four” accounting firms, Deloitte, Ernst & Young, KPMG and PricewaterhouseCoopers, under the section in Criticism titled “Tax Avoidance”
“According to Australian taxation expert George Rozvany, the Big Four are “the masterminds of multinational tax avoidance and the architects of tax schemes which cost governments and their taxpayers an estimated $US1 trillion a year”. At the same time they are advising governments on tax reforms, they are advising their multinational clients how to avoid taxes.”
I enjoy it most when I seemingly come across these things by accident.
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3rd doorman said:
in the documentary “the panama papers” one investigative reporter speaking about the tax-shelters and shell companies indicated in the leaked documents of ONE law firm in panama, “this is the REAL economy” meaning the hidden money was significant in size.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossack_Fonseca
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers
I’m finding that its so far a limited hangout, we have also the “paradise papers” dealing with appleby [queen elizII was exposed], and yet there are so many tax jurisdictions we have no “leak” for. The real size of the economy is SURELY not yet clearly in view!!
The US did bring pressure on the swiss to open up records of secret banking, but even delaware and nevada are used as tax havens. There is so much still to audit.
miles pointed out we can go audit just about any country we want to, we have the carriers/subs/heli’s/infantry, so I respect him for trying to address why we don’t. This could penetrate “diffuse and opaque” but the secret vaults? Until we step up and look for them with the knowledge that their secrecy is a danger to every earthling, we get played. we cant even audit the gold in fort knox!
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James said:
Upon digging a little further, I was able to find that the Faith47 mural with the Latin phrase is under a train overpass in Rochester less than a mile from Deloitte (and other very major) offices, as well as City Hall being even closer, as well as a local radio station, so basically the upstate NY hive of spooks. I didn’t bother digging any further into “””artist””” Faith47 but they have done murals in many major cities….. Plus the frozen tundra of Rochester NY.
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They Live said:
Google draws your attention to crummy old Rochester, and two days later we have this:
https://www.thejournal.ie/rochester-new-york-mass-shooting-5209231-Sep2020/
More blackwashing of house parties, the apparent super spreader of death and destruction worldwide. If the virus doesn’t get you, the mass shooters will! Stay home, the comfort you have demanded is now mandatory…
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James said:
16 injured + 2 dead = 18. They just can’t help themselves can they? I can’t say that’s not a little spooky to me that it’s Rochester though. I’m not in Rochester I’m far from it, but its kinda creepy.
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3rd doorman said:
on the subject of public art, here in chicago I’m seeing “stop killing black people” spray painted on some high profile sidewalks. Previously I saw it in sticker form.
Its a mind twisting absurdity, i’m tempted to spray over it.
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Wayne said:
Eastman-Kodak and Cornell.
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Popcorn said:
The article ends with:
She said: “I’m begging everyone to remain calm and exercise deep restraint as RPD investigates what happened here and seeks those responsible.”
In Italian news about possibly real violence they always ask people to go to Police or Carabinieri to tell enything suspect they could have seen that is of potential help, not certainly to be quiet. But also, I’m not actively watching news for years so this could have changed…
Also the article contains this:
“I can say one of our deceased victims, was a male and approximately, age, 18 to 22 and the other was a female approximately the same age between 18 and 22,” he said.
Dear spook and rulers, it’s a code 18 and 22. I repeat, it’s a code 18 and code 22. Over.
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David Hagersten said:
1 day late:
Happy Birthday Miles!
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Popcorn said:
I didn’t know!
Happy Birthday Miles! A guiding light in the darkness…
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MathisderMaler said:
Thanks. Yes, I like to think I remain something new under the Sun.
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Josh said:
Happy belated birthday, Miles!
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Patrick said:
From one yahoo to another…President Trump presents Prime Minister Netanyahu with the “Key to the White House” and goes on to say, sounding quite gay, that it’s “the key to our country and to our hearts.”
Not to be outdone, Bebe replies that Trump has the key to the hearts of the people of Israel. So sweet, seeing two criminals so much in love.
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lanceresting said:
This was just a pr move. He had the key for quite some time.
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Chris Ryska said:
Politicians/actors just get worse over the years. We’ve been sold down the river I don’t know how many times, I’ve seemed to have lost track. Even an album back in the 70’s was titled: “Selling England By The Pound” which the band didn’t seem too happy about. Even Ariel Sharon, as bad as he was purported to be {I still don’t believe he had anything to do with the massacring by the phalangists inside the camps, in Lebanon} wasn’t anywhere near as bad as Netannou {I know, I’m speaking in the past tense as though his term was already over}.
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tony martin said:
This is the real “Key to the White House” and the true american flag.
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They Live said:
This little love fest has caught the eye of the Fauxbell Peace Prize committee:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/donald-trump-s-mideast-peace-deals-present-the-nobel-committee-with-a-benjamin-netanyahu-dilemma/ar-BB19aD56
I suspect that Bibi and Don will share the prize this year and whoever is responsible for the most fake deaths next year will win the big prize. And on and on the upside down goes…
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Wayne said:
Trump was nominated by a so called far right person. Does not mean that they will give it to Trump.
However, if Trump does get a crackerjack peace prize, we will know that Trump is playing part in the overall project.
The “peace” deals are actually war agreements for mutual self defense against Iran. Similar to how WW1 started with a hoax assassination and everyone had to dance to the same tune.
At the same time, these agreements include denying any support to the Palestinians.
Palestinian Lives Matter? No one is taking a knee for Palestine?
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kocotube01 začasni said:
In feudal times crypto-ruller had the primae noctis right to spread their seeds to their serves globally.
Today the same openly-crypto-rullers are not satisfied with carnal ‘expressions’ any more, they want them all: body, heart and possessions of the main-farm citizenry (US farm serves).
Harvesting of those fruits seeded. That’s the key’s function
But there is also another very ‘funny’ article ‘offered’ by the other Yahoo source, sharing Popular mechanics’s article, titled: ‘An Iceberg Might NOT Have Sunk the Titanic After All, a New Study Finds’. Funny to me is how disrespectful both (propaganda) outlets are to their readers’ cognitive abilities. Here is the gist of the article:
~ solar flare activity contributed;
~ right (wrong) kind of solar flare could have interfered with navigation and radios;
~ Sun emits gigantic solar storms that can even knock power out on Earth;
~ fascinating new research that raises big questions;
~ magnetic storm that night could have altered the Titanic’s navigational readings;
~ idea behind is pretty simple … Sun; powered by an innate nuclear dynamo, burning at millions of degrees, covered with sunspots, punctuated by giant explosions the size of the Earth or even larger solar flares. … In a matter of just a few minutes they heat material to many millions of degrees and release as much energy as a billion megatons of TNT, NASA explains … explosions cause magnetic ripples through the solar system;
~ theory by Mila Zinkova: mirages or other visual distortions played a part in the sinking;
~ solar flare can skew the Earth’s magnetic field and wreak havoc with magnetic instruments like compasses;
~ ship’s SOS position was around 13 nautical miles (24 km) off their real position;
~ rescue ship Carpathia likely had the same wrong information, …5.5 hours, before and after she received the Titanic’s SOS. This also points to how localized the solar flare phenomenon was.
Now I know what happened: Titanic sunk, a new study finds.
Than you Popular mechanics!
Now I know it all or at least almost all, which is good enough for most people, I guess: localized magnetic storm, focused on Titanic and (possibly also) ship Carpathia, crated navigational ‘fatamorgana’ that made both vessels to miss their plotted course for 25 kilometers. That must be a huge error in the vastness of Atlantic ocean. And that is why Titanic sunk? No? It was iceberg after all. But the title says …that it wasn’t iceberg. Which is it? Oh, I see what you mean, Mrs. Zinkova, it was some other iceberg that was transposed, from its original position, for some thousand miles to the south and not the one that was photographed and thought to be a culprit. Some magical powers were manifested by that magnetic storm that night. I can’t wait to read your other three parts of this four part paper installment on Titanic’s sinking, Mrs. Zinkova. …Oh, I will not be able to read them after all, since they are safe behind the pay wall.
Thank you Yahoo as well,
for giving me at least partial enlightenment on history’s ‘facts’ for free. Thank you for allowing me to be in the company of: megatons, TNT, solar system, NASA, magnetic poles and fields, solar flares phenomenon, SOS distress signals, theories on navigation, radios and compasses, sunspots, solar radiation and cosmic wind, visual distortions, weather and space data, Aurora Borealis, electrical grid and space traffic, Farady cages and many more scientific facts and concepts ‘shared’ in the paper. Those words and concepts used in the theory represent the core of any and all true scientific endeavors. Theory that uses the width and depth of current scientific language must be true and recognized as truly modern science discourse.
And also, yahoo, thank you for all the links you offer me to follow at the bottom of the page. Those will further deepen my current scientific horizon and enlighten me on important ‘popular’ historic facts:
~ This Device Can Send Messages Without Cell Service
~ The Best Portable BBQ Grills for Cooking Anywhere
~ The Best Video Game the Year You Were Born
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kocotube01 začasni said:
I forgot to link the article, if someone would like to giggle as spooks do when they write such propaganda refreshment articles as this one ‘An Iceberg Might NOT Have Sunk the Titanic After All, a New Study Finds’:
–https://finance.yahoo.com/news/solar-flare-actually-sunk-titanic-194900308.html–
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Wayne said:
The Aurora Borealis did it.
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Popcorn said:
The aliens will did do it (that’s not a typo). When their fake invasion finishes they will travel back in time to crash with the Titanic and sink it.
So you have it all: aliens, time travel, Titanic, destruction of causality
I’d have preferred that 100 times more than this stupid KRN virus…
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Jose S. Keenan said:
@Josh
An innocous comment I posted yesterday about Unscientific American and under another name than the above evidently went to spam or got deleted. It contained a bitchute link.
Not the first time this has happened under the name used.
This is under another name in the hope of avoiding the same fate.
I must say I am getting rather tired of being censored—i.e. making the effort of writing a comment and seeing it disappear into a black hole on clicking “post comment ”
This will be my last one if it doesn’t improve. There are plenty of regulars left to make highly cogent statements. I don’t care actually.
Are you sure that the “Ass-Kiss-Met” plugin is not performing rather more censorship than Word Press claims? I would be inclined to make that assumption.
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Wayne said:
“Ass-Kiss-Met” plugin causes issues at Giza Death Star.
The three letters t,i,t will kick a post, even when found in the middle of the name of the founding document of USA, Inc.
AI is only as good as the coders.
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Popcorn said:
“AI is as good as the coder”
As I already mentioned in the past, AI is fundamentally flawed. I’ll try to explain why as clearly as I can.
We’re obviously talking about IT (Information Technology) which is the set of professions behind all the various components of electronic devices and services. There are a lot of different tools and technologies. An electronic device has one or more processors that execute commands. There are layers, meaning lower level commands are grouped and named and this grouping forms higher level commands. Coders use these commands, low-level and/or high-level to build their softare programs, which again can be very different in nature.
This is very generic, and is applied to all the technologies you can think of, a website, or a dvd player, or a smartphone app and so on.
Let’s now go to AI, Artificial Intelligence. Its primary goal is to reproduce human categorization by learning. There are many approaches, and they have also a different set of phases, as ‘training’ is involved. I only studied the most basic concepts, years ago. What is done by “coders” as Wayne called them is to design a model of inputs (the data the sistem can collect to do the categorization), a way to rate an answer, and a procedure to follow for training.
I say that all this is fundamentally wrong because you can never design a model of input compelete enough, and you can never define a way to rate answers that can completely represent reality. If you were able to do those 2 tasks, the AI training would not be necessary.
I give you an example, that word Twain said is forbidden by the plugin can be admitted in some circumstances. To properly train the AI you have to rate its answers so that all the admitted circumstances are recognised, if you can’t do that an incorrect rating leads to a bad AI. But at the same time if you can do that you don’t need to train an AI at all in the first place.
Another example, a data hungry search engine. Only you who write something in the search field, know exactly why you are doing that particular research. It may be for someone else, or a typo, or to satisfy a sudden curiosity, or a million other reasons that would not link you to that particular search topic. It doesn’t matter, because the search engine AI will now categorize you as someone is similar to others who search the same topic, it also does a lot of other modeling, assuming other people that do the same searches you do often will possibly be interested in doing that meaningless search you just did.
I hope I was clear. This second example is essentially what drove me away from AI. It simply cannot work.
And what about AI Chess? That’s so stupid. All the AI do is interpret a certain position, it tries to calculate all possible moves, discarding “bad” series of moves. Based on what? The value of the pieces still on board? The goal is to checkmate the king, not to have more pieces than the opponent, so the “answer rating” is wrong, again.
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Thomas said:
A brave guy here, who stand up against all the nonsense.
John Ziegler – Fed Up With Ventura County Officials’ COVID-19 Lies.
This will never be forgotten……
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Popcorn said:
Wow! Thank you for sharing the video, it was soul shaking.
And the comments to it are really encouraging.
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rolleikin said:
A lawyer talks about mandatory vaccinations vs. our “rights”:
https://overcast.fm/+cuTwyHTjg
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thechemicaluniverse said:
From comment purgatory I wonder, Why cant Bill Gates afford LASIX or contact lenses??
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rolleikin said:
The glasses make him look more like a nerd which is what they seem to want us to think he is.
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Alex said:
I have also had a large percentage of my comments (mostly innocuous) disappear aswell. I changed the email address I use about a week back (for a different reason). All my comments are in the same name. I am not suggesting they are worth chasing up I never bothered.
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Jose S. Keenan said:
I’m curious to see it this gets killed:
WordPress.com is owned by a privately held company called Automattic.
https://automattic.com/
who somnehow found a few million the cash to buy Tumblr from Verizon.
WordPress censorship:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=wordpress+censorship&ia=web
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Josh said:
Hi Jose Keenan/Orsen Carte,
Yes that one about WordPress was also sent to moderation aka “killed.” And I fished your comment about Unscientific American out of the spam folder (not the same as moderation).
Almost everyone here, even the frequent commenters, have their comments go to moderation from time to time, sometimes even to spam. It happens. But in your case I think I figured out what is going on: it seems that every time you comment your IP address changes a little bit. Perhaps you are using a proxy IP or something like that. So I think WordPress thinks you are a new commenter every time to comment because the IP doesn’t match the IP of a previously approved commenter, even though the name and e-mail are the same. I could be wrong about that but it makes sense.
I support your right to use a proxy IP, but the only control I have over this is to simply allow comments from new commenters to go through, and I’m not willing to do that. If it is really too frustrating for you then maybe you can find a way to get a static proxy IP. Pretty sure it’s possible.
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Ben said:
My comments are not displaying with the message, “Your comment is awaiting moderation,” but are just disappearing when I hit submit. I guess that means they’re getting flagged as spam. I’m not using a proxy.
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Josh said:
@Ben, how many comments of yours have disappeared? There was one a bit earlier that went to moderation. You wrote that you are using a different e-mail address. But you’re also using an IP address that doesn’t come up when I search previous comments. If the system doesn’t recognize you then your comments will immediately go to moderation, in which case I will generally approve them. But sometimes they go to spam, which I don’t check because it is so packed with, well, spam. You can always drop me a note to go look for it in spam at joshg99@pm.me.
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Chris Ryska said:
Sometimes I wouldn’t mind if some of my comments ended up down the hole, too. Quality not quantity. But I’d surely like to see his paper on Franco, though.
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Josh said:
@Alex I just searched for your missing comments in spam but nothing came up. The spam folder only keeps comments from the previous two weeks, so I guess they were older than that.
Just to give everyone a sense, there were 2,355 spam comments over the last two weeks. So you can see why a spam filter is absolutely necessary.
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Ben said:
Why aren’t people who log in and get through moderation whitelisted by the spam filter? If you enter a password then the IP address should be irrelevant.
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They Live said:
I had a comment go down the rabbit hole last night also. Has only happened to me a couple of times
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thechemicaluniverse said:
I thought I was in comment purgatory and hence somewhere between heaven and hell…Thats OK as I realize not all of my comments are up to extremely high standards of CTTF, as I am still learning, but THESE ARE CRAZY TIMES I still enjoy reading comments as there does seem to be a focus on something beyond simple rah rah salesmanship.
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Josh said:
@TheyLive
I fished your comment from spam and approved it.
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James said:
Josh my reading skills stink feel free to ignore my comment relating to the new James Franco paper that went to moderation. Sergey Brin is mentioned.
Amazing how these giant companies are always founded in garages 🙄 Don’t these California royalty have any spare bedrooms or anything?
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Josh said:
James why ignore it? Is it incorrect?
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James said:
No, nothing incorrect in it, I just missed the mention in the Franco paper of Sergey Brin on first glance and I knew I had seen at one point that the YouTube CEO was the sister-in-law of the Google founder and thought that it was missed in the Franco paper, but it is in the Franco paper. So I thought it would be confusing if I said that the paper doesn’t mention Brim when it does. I had come across that information on my own a while back, just kind of disgusted by the obscene wealth and also fascist tendencies of these people and that they wouldn’t even pretend to sort of scour the land for the most qualified CEO or something. I was more naive then. Now I assume the whole lot of them, including Larry Page, are just front actors, responsible for nothing. They’re probably not even as wealthy as reported. Well they are, but it’s not because of Google. They’re just connected members of the families fronting an intelligence operation, like Musk and Gates and Jobs.
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Josh said:
James, nevermind. I just red the paper so I understand why you asked me to ignore your comment.
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James said:
Back to James Franco paper, they note the island of Madeira, out in the middle of nowhere. It reminded me of the attempted interpretation of the National Reconnaissance Office patch from the NRO2 article on Miles site. Instead of looking where the planes were pointing, I looked at the owl’s eyes when I read that. And one of the Owl’s eyes I remember looking up was right over top of the island of Madeira. I was on a pyramid kick at the time, and it turned out both the owl’s eyes were located over sites of old pyramids. Madeira and southern north Africa. So seeing spooky Franco PLUS his connections to Lockheed, shipping and aerospace plus that NRO patch means Madeira is probably a spook hangout from way back.
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James said:
A small article on ancient structures in the Azores:
https://portuguese-american-journal.com/pico-new-archeological-evidence-reveals-human-presence-before-portuguese-occupation-azores/
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James said:
And this is the NRO patch that was analyzed note the location of the eye on the left.
And the quote that closed the article “Whoever controls the Azores controls the Atlantic. Well, we know who controls and has controlled the Azores for a long long time.
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ATallOne said:
In the Franco paper when it mentioned the father of Franco worked on a progamme to help find shipping containers on a cargo ship “SecureBox”., the thought that popped into my head was – yes handy for human trafficking, (among other illegal traded items). (And there could be back doors into the programme, and also ways to disguise shipments or “lose” them).
“ http://mileswmathis.com/jfranco.pdf”
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ewan said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54189573
A pic of Navalny, somewhat suspect.
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Raymond D. said:
Yup, that head sure does look a tad weird. Pasted in?
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suntzufighting said:
When they said that they are gonna do the old Skripal routine he said yes, but not the hair!
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ewan said:
Also I think the woman on the right’s head is way off.
Anyhow that was BBC’s lead photo last week, really couldn’t give a damn, could they.
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Raymond D. said:
You’re right; her head looks wonky as-well. Utter garbage. The morons that created that image pocketed some cash and got a laugh from fooling the masses; in the end they are destroying their own souls, the pricks.
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ewan said:
Perks of the job Raymond, automatons don’t need pesky souls
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Mark said:
https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/
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suntzufighting said:
Good read. Good arguments. Use these, not the deeper ones, when you start on people. Use the tinfoil hat stuff(😁)only after you have snared them.
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Chris Ryska said:
@ suntzufighting, Exactly; just as a certain religious Book would advise: As with newborns, start off with the milk not the meat. If someone can’t even see 911 for what it is then how do you expect them to be receptive to “other”, less obvious, stuff? I’m not saying that there needs to be a rebirthing process, or something, but it seems that it would have to be the case for some.
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Graham said:
Also lets not forget that half the battle is in our style of delivery of the information, not just the information itself.
Maybe we all need to sign up to courses on dynamic presentation, there are times when I could use some coaching.
All this dark stuff they pull on us makes me a very very serious person sometimes, but I’ve noticed that can turn a lot of people off, trying to explain how deep, wide and old all the lies are, plus me scowling at them as I deliver my views.
I get a lot further by “keeping it light”, maybe just tell them a few things and gause the reaction. That way you don’t lose the ones wh aren’t really interested but they soemtimes come back curious another day. Those who want to argue back, challenge my intelligence – those are wins becuase at that point whatevwer they chose to believe, they are engaged in the debate. That we can work with.
Comedy and mockery work well too, that way people get a bit of entertainment with their education.
I am being a massive hyprcrite here, hardly ever get this stuff right, but maybe some of you good people will find the observations useful.
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James said:
“If we compare the waves of infection in countries with strict lockdown policies to countries that did not impose lockdowns (Sweden, Iceland …), we see similar curves. So there is no link between the imposed lockdown and the course of the infection. Lockdown has not led to a lower mortality rate.”
I’m surprised this doesn’t raise questions for those who are proponents of the theory of contagions in general. Surely forced isolation would have to reduce exposure to contagions, and yet, the numbers show no difference. I’m not saying this for the readers here, but for skeptics who still say “well there is a disease but it’s not as bad as they say.”
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cancelledCancelled said:
Above the text of the Belgian doctor’s letter there is a section entitled “Doctor’s Initiatives” and amongst the countries that have them is the United States. The group has called themselves America’s Frontline Doctors. It’s very enlightening.
https://americasfrontlinedoctorsummit.com/sessions
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Philip Cox said:
Controlled opposition. As always with these groups they treat COVID as real instead of the hoax that it is.
You have to take a closer look at the bios of the speakers. All these ‘doctors’ are at least part-time politicians, including presidential campaign advisors and writers for the WaPO, the CIA’s newspaper.
Like 9/11 Loose Change, this HCQ is clever misdirection that admits some things but tries to hold the fundamental lie intact.
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Philip Cox said:
As always with every conventional doctor I meet or read about, they seem to be in love of the position and title of being a “Doctor” instead of practicing as an actual doctor and doing the right thing. Doing the right thing of course means potentially losing their jobs, and we know they will never do that. The amount of heroes out there who will truly risk their privileged position are a tiny handful in today’s fully institutionalized world.
Resistance to this hoax tends to happen quietly as I’ve heard around the grapevine from local docs and nurses.
One also has to think about the amount of new doctors and nurses that are graduating out of universities every single year. They need jobs and things to do, and this COVID non-sense will keep them plenty busy. It’s like dentistry and the fact that root canals are hugely damaging to our health (with the inventor of root canals even coming out and admitting they are a huge detriment, and that this has been covered-up), but they still continue. Root canals are big money and dentists need things to do to justify their expertise and time sunk into their education.
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cancelled said:
What is the fundamental lie? That there is no such thing as a corona virus?
From personal experience, I know there are pathogens — call them viruses or what you will— that made me sick. I have personally had the flu, for example, with fever and cough and aches and pains. There could well be a strain of corona type flu going around that TPTB decided to exploit. Maybe it was fabricated from start to finish. But it’s out there, and it needs to be stopped. To me, this is a route to the lies, corruption, and fascism being exposed from a source that has not a whiff of “conspiracy theory” about it, from the point of view of the deceived, sleeping masses.
Yes, I noted red flags galore. But I also thought that the main message is an antidote : lies have been told about the numbers and severity, that the only danger of this covid thing is to elderly patients in nursing homes with co-morbidities anyway, and that the rest of the population is safe from it. And if someone does get symptoms, like fever and lung congestion, hydroxyquinone and zinc cure it quickly and safely. Hydroxyquinone is a generic unpatented drug so where’s the financial incentive for promoting it? They even compare it to a vaccine, which is great, because it removes any necessity for a vaccine, because heaven knows what would be in that diabolical tactic.
I love the fact that there is a safe and effective and cheap cure and prevention that doctors are being prevented from using by government is being exposed. I love it because, how can we expect people to wake up to corruption and lies if they don’t know these things exist at the highest levels? There are many, I would say most, people in this category.
It strikes me that this “message” these doctors are promoting would help end the fear that has been generated, because it argues there is a simple, effective cure and even prevention; and it also uses highly credible voices (i. e. doctors) to undermine blind allegiance and belief in the media and leaders such as mayors, governors, Fauci, the WHO, the CDC, et cetera — within the minds of unawakened people of the most brainwashed, propagandised disposition. Ending the fear, and waking up to phenomena such as disinformation, corruption, greed, lies, and economic destruction on a national —global — scale deliberately practiced by trusted authorities (and thereby generating some healthy anger, too in the process) is a healthy first step in my opinion.
With the fear abated, the disturbing compliance of social distancing, lockdowns, mandatory vaccination, mask wearing, etc, — for what, for a bug that most people’s immune systems conquer without any symptoms. — will be sorely compromised.
So for that reason, I would like to see their message get out there, far and wide. I don’t see how it could do any more damage, and I see it could do some good for a lot of blinkered people. So dismissing it outright strikes me as throwing the proverbial baby out with the bath water. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect long term brainwashed people to easily and suddenly wake up. The cognitive dissonance shuts them back down quickly. It takes baby steps. This frontline doctors message , coming from “the lap of the gods” for the vast majority of blinkered people, is a baby step in the right direction, and I think it’s done well in that respect.
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Nathan said:
“From personal experience, I know there are pathogens — call them viruses or what you will— that made me sick. I have personally had the flu, for example, with fever and cough and aches and pains.”
Translation: I know that there are invisible creatures that transmit disease because I had a disease.
That doesn’t seem logical to me. Not even a little bit.
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James said:
If the effect of blowing the short-term lie is to sink a long-term deeper lie even deeper then you have to assume that will be the end effect for the brainwashed. Their beliefs will only be reaffirmed, not challenged, but they will be left with less security and less trust and their minds will be further sunk into chaos. Lose/lose.
It fooled me at first but upon investigating some of the source links such as Troo.tube its definitely linked to controlled opposition and controlled opposition is always counterproductive to the truth. Look at the Q movement for example.
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Philip Cox said:
Im not saying HCQ isn’t effective or they are totally wrong here, but that’s how controlled opposition. They have to make it believable otherwise people won’t bite. It doesn’t mean anyone can’t learn anything from controlled opposition. It does backfire and this COVID operation stinks of desperation and overeach.
You have to understand about the governors is that they don’t give a damn about the truth. What I mean is that they will tell you the truth as long as they are the ones telling it. It’s about power and influence in the end.
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thechemicaluniverse said:
The HCQ question always fascinates me as of course you have to take it with zinc, earlier in the “disease” whatever that is..as the disease seems a “Disease of the Diseased”.. Drug professionals want to talk of “one virus one disease one cure/vaccine but to 99%+ it is not even a serious disease.
I would love to see a control group who had to stay say 10 days in the hospital and see how many died or became diseased, as even eating that hospital food is deadly.
The curiosity about HCQ is that it should be a relatively simple drug to give and access..but professionally they either blackwash it or say they need extensive 3 phase clinical trials, as if it had not been around forever I would love to see a control group who had to stay say 10 days in the hospital and see how many died or became diseased, as even eating that hospital food is deadly. The remdesivir seems like a loser as best they come up with is” shorter stay in hospitals” which for a nucleotide analogue like AZT seems “lame” which is also what the vaccines seem like LOSERS. Overall it seems like the cancer cures that promise two more experimentally significant but miserable months of life
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Philip Cox said:
Oops I posted too soon.
They are complaining of censorship from the social media platforms, but Dr. Simone Gold seems to be doing just fine looking at her Twitter feed with over 185k followers. Why can’t Twitter shut her down? Must be all those political oops I mean spook connections. Big red flag there, not to mention she is from LA and her name. And it doesn’t make a lick of sense all these states would go out of their way to ban HCQ – it stinks of manufactured controversy while also supporting the notion that COVID is real. They are making up this controversy over that so people don’t focus on the real one – that this is all a big wheeze and a gigantic hoax.
Why aren’t they talking about the manufactured stats, the ‘simulations’ that were ran months and years prior, and all the other mind twisting bullshit that has been revealed? We killed this hoax in a simple few papers and a sober reading of evidence, but all these professionals can’t see through the show? C’mon!
They have to protect their Global Shoah – that’s the fundamental lie here. If people start really figuring out how they manufacture news, events, and hoaxes every single day and have been doing it for centuries then it is the beginning of the end for the Global Lie Machine. It may already be the beginning of the end.
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Philip Cox said:
Seriously just browse down her Twitter feed. It just gets worse and worse and makes you angry. It’s so obvious these docs are either massively confused or are hired actors trying to salvage the COVID op. If you can’t see through this then go back and read a dozen more of Miles papers.
Here’s a tweet from July 30th she re-tweeted from the ‘Charlie Kirk Show’, where all these docs are sitting around the table WITH THEIR MASKS ON.
“According to Twitter, it is perfectly acceptable for Iran to call for the open murder of Jews but a handful of credible & certified doctors aren’t able to share good news about saving lives from the Chinese Virus”
Why are Jews & Iran being dragged into this, and treating the coronavirus as something other than the cold/flu? C’mon folks this isn’t that hard.
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cancelled said:
I’m curious Philip. Why didn’t you raise controlled opposition objections about the Belgian doctors link Mark posted? Suntzufighting, Chris Ryska and Graham all commented on the material in the link. “Good read. Good arguments. Use these, not the deeper ones when you start on people ….” “Start with the milk, not the meat” says the same thing in a different way.
Because the Belgian letter is controlled opposition as well; it promotes the covid hoax as real, yet you didn’t raise the matter then. Nobody did. And still hasn’t.
This letter, to which there has been no objections, directly references the American doctors and thereby motivates people like myself to investigate what activism is being done in their own countries. So it leads straight to the American Frontline Doctors session videos, and written material. It also links to it under the Doctor’s Initiatives menu. Following Mark’s link is what led me to that controlled op stuff which was not called out as such.
Why didn’t you raise your objection with Mark, and Chris and Suntzu? The Belgian letter also treats “COVID as real instead of the hoax that it is.” It also promotes “the deeper, fundamental lie that viruses exist.” It promotes the use of hydrocloroquin as well as the highly toxic AZT for treatment.
Is it because you didn’t read the link? Or perhaps you speak neither Dutch nor French and cannot investigate the backgrounds of the signatories to ascertain whether any or all of them have links to Belgian politics or intelligence? Unfortunately, the author of the Belgian letter is not disclosed. Which makes it nearly impossible to investigate who is behind it. Or perhaps you did read it, and also thought it was good stuff.
Why the bias here?
It’s okay for some to advocate a soft, step by step approach to help people wake up to the realities of our world , using controlled op information as a tool or a first step, and not okay for others. That confuses me.
What is the criteria for assessing which controlled op material is acceptable, and which isn’t?
I think it’s important to raise this matter because, as I said, there is confusion here.
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Alex said:
Controlled opposition @ cancelled,, anything you see in the media is controlled opposition, nearly everything you see in the alternative media is also controlled opposition. It gets very boring pointing this out, it is also difficult to explain this to new people. There is a lot more to be said on the topic. There are different levels of controlled opposition for different people that is what ‘ censorship ‘ is mostly about. The easiest first step to waking some one up is using the admitted to conspiracies first but it is dangerous because they usually get caught in one of the pre arranged traps. The only real way through is actual logical thinking and good luck convincing any one to do that.
Then the next part is how can you fix the supposed problems. What are the solutions? They are many levels beyond those given and that is assuming there is a problem that needs fixing or can be fixed (good luck having that conversation over an internet chat and not being misunderstood).
Enjoy the journey and understand that most people will post far less than 1 percent of what they think (otherwise you would be getting thousands of comments a day.
Ps it was mentioned many times that the protests with Kennedy and Ike were controlled opposition.
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Jared Magneson said:
@cancelled:
I’m not quite sure what you’re implying about Philip, but (no offense Josh) have you ever really seen the comments here? There are SO MANY it’s an act of love to sort through. On the other threads it’s not so tedious but Current Events here, there’s no way I’d know if anyone had ever answered me or not. Josh would normally tell me but he’s swamped too, I imagine.
I just don’t think even Philip could answer everything here, anymore. So I don’t really see your line of rebuttal as valid, Cancelled. There’s no logic to it. Why didn’t he raise objections?
Maybe he never even saw them. I sure didn’t.
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oregonmatt said:
@cancelled
“What is the fundamental lie? That there is no such thing as a corona virus?”…
That says it perfectly. Agreeing with Philip here, this is controlled opp.
“From personal experience, I know there are pathogens…that made me sick.”
How do you know that pathogens made you sick? Who told you that story? Was the medical industry responsible for that narrative, say, for the last hundred plus years?…before you accepted the story that you are supposed to believe, did you carefully consider and then choose to eliminate toxicity as the probable cause of your sickness? It is easy to link the flu to toxicity, the first link below is one example.
The “industry” has clear motive for spinning that story. First, it makes them the controllers of your health, as only they can define disease, and only they can ‘save’ you from it. Second, it gives them immense power, and you are seeing that power on display right now. Without their disease narrative, this could not be happening.
Show me a disease that is purported to be spread person-to-person, and I will show you the toxicity responsible. Or do the research yourself, others have exposed the ‘story’.
Relative to covid specifically, see this writeup detailing toxicity as cause in the “endemic” areas. https://harvoa-med.blogspot.com/2020/04/COVID2020.html. Relative to that other famous ‘coronavirus’, sars, see this: https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/environmental-toxins/the-sars-epidemic-are-viruses-taking-the-rap-for-industrial-poisons/.
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tillandsiausneoides said:
Aren’t STDs transmitted person to person?
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oregonmatt said:
The short answer: No. STD’s have the same profile as other so-called ‘infectious’ diseases, blamed on pathogens by the industry, but clearly due to toxicity. TC Fry in the book entitled The Cruel Hoax Called Herpes Genitalis, states:
“The diseases that we attribute to viruses are actually body created eliminative crises to eject forcibly toxic matters that have accumulated. Uneliminated wastes are life-sapping and deadly.”
Here is an interesting historical herpes incident, taken from a 1954 paper by Ralph R. Scobey, MD.
“In 1900, there occurred an epidemic of arsenical poisoning in and around Manchester, England, involving several thousand beer drinkers27-29. For fully six months the etiology was not discovered and the patients exhibited in sequence digestive symptoms, nasal and pharyngeal catarrh, bronchitis, acute skin lesions, disturbances of sensibility, motor paralysis, pigmentation and keratoses, Reynolds28, toward the end of this period, observing an unusually large number of cases of herpes zoster during the epidemic and recalling numerous reports of this type of eruption occurring in association with arsenical poisoning, came to the conclusion that this drug must be the source of the epidemic. Investigations revealed that the arsenic originated from Spanish pyrites that were used in the making of sulfuric acid which was employed for the preparation of sugars used in the brewing of beer.”
Most importantly, read this article. Short, sweet, to the point. https://whatreallymakesyouill.com/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-sexually-transmitted-disease-2-2/
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Jared Magneson said:
@tillandsiausneoides: Yes, they are. They have nothing to do with toxicity and everything to do with fucking the wrong person.
@OregonMatt: I mean obviously you’ve never had one and that’s awesome but also nothing in that response is accurate at all, to people who actually have sex. It’s almost hilarious. Nearly.
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oregonmatt said:
@jared: did you read and consider the article i posted, and the points in it? how do you know “they have nothing to do with toxicity”?
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Josh said:
@oregonmatt @James
I had trouble falling asleep last night because I was turning over the “microbes/viruses don’t cause disease” and especially the more extreme version that viruses themselves don’t even exist. I recalled Miles’ saying that the whole idea that viruses don’t or can’t cause disease smells of Flat Earth style denialism. He admitted that he hadn’t looked into the issue much, but in general I put a lot of weight on his instincts because he is so often right. But I admit I’ve been sort of a fence-sitter, in part due to not wanting to spend a lot of time going down that particular rabbit hole.
But at the same time, if it is wrong, I don’t want this place to become a pit of disinfo just because I can’t be arsed to look into it. Actually it was James’ assertion that viruses don’t exist at all that provoked my decision to think hard on it. And the more I think about it, the more I think Miles’ intuition here is absolutely correct. I’ve decided it’s time to push back and push back hard. The notion that viruses don’t exist strikes me as obviously wrong, and I’m afraid the outing of Wendell Stanley just isn’t enough to prove the point. There is plenty of evidence that viruses do exist.
Also, the idea that germ theory is simply wrong and that germs do not and cannot cause disease has always struck me as implausible. There are many illnesses that are obviously caused by bacterial infections. This becomes totally clear when the disease is treated by an antibiotic.
The article you posted that is a ‘short and sweet’ refutation of the idea that STD’s are caused by human-to-human transmission strikes me as totally bogus. I agree with Jared that you obviously have never had an STD. Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are both caused by bacteria and are easily and quickly treated with antibiotics. So you are basically asserting that the experiences of everyone who has ever noticed their STD appearing soon after a sexual encounter is ‘just a coincidence’ and that the antibiotics that appear to cure the apparent infection aren’t really doing anything related to an infection?
The article you linked to includes this passage: “Herbert Shelton cites the words of Dr Beddow Bayly MD MRCS LRCP, who wrote in the June 1928 edition of London Medical World that:
“I am prepared to maintain with scientifically established facts, that in no single instance has it been conclusively proved that any microorganism is the specific cause of a disease.””
And then it follows with this complete non sequitur:
“This means that even if ‘germs’ were transferable, which they are not, they have never been proven to cause people to become ill.”
So one doctor writes his opinion in one medical journal and that means conclusively that germs have never been proven to cause people to become ill? Yes I realize this is not even close to the only reason people who think germs don’t cause disease, but there is mounds and mounds of evidence that germs can cause people and other organisms to become ill. You can’t just dismiss that evidence with a hand wave and say it is misinterpreted. If you inject a mouse, say, with a bacterium or a virus and the mouse becomes sick and/or dies, then it is pretty good evidence that you don’t have the causality backwards and that the germ actually does cause the disease.
And there is certainly enough evidence in my own life with contagion that I have experienced and observed in people around me. Just like Jared assumes that people who don’t believe STD’s are transmitted sexually must never have had one, I feel like people who don’t believe in contagion have never had kids.
There is really nothing at all compelling in the article you linked to, except a constant re-statement of the assertion that disease is toxic release and nothing else.
As for the other comment where you (oregonmatt) said that Herpes is just caused by Arsenic poisoning. So if that was the case, then every time somebody experienced arsenic poisoning, they should break out in Herpes. Do you know that to be the case? I sincerely doubt it.
But to understand what is the connection you only need to use a bit of common sense. People whose immune systems are weakened, for example by toxins such as arsenic, are less able to fight off infections (of all kinds). Are you familiar with what a cold sore is? It is a form of oral herpes that tends to appear when people get colds. Why? Because their immune system is burdened fighting off another infection that the herpes virus is able to make a rebound. There are other things like stress and fatigue that can create the conditions that allow the cold sore to appear.
As for Koch’s postulates. When I first read them, they seemed to me to be somewhat naive and primitive (and of course immediately suspicious of Jewish Koch). And indeed, they were laid out in 1890 and have been set aside. Even Koch himself in his own lifetime came to recognize that there were problems with the postulates, in particular the 1st one that the microorganisms should be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease but not in organisms not suffering from the disease. This one directly speaks to the point raised in the article you posted that some people can be carriers but not know it, which was not recognized at the time that Koch developed his postulates. His postulates have been largely abandoned and replaced with other criteria so I don’t know why people keep referring to them as if they are the word of God. I think it’s either ignorance or intentional misdirection.
I have been saying this about this issue from the beginning: the germ theory vs. terrain theory is an unnecessary forced choice duality. Germs can cause disease, but if our terrain (body) is healthy we can in most cases fight off the pathogens so that we don’t develop symptoms. So it needn’t be either/or. Or another way to say it is that germs are a necessary but rarely sufficient cause of certain diseases. It may be that the symptoms we do develop (at least in some cases) are indeed our body getting rid of toxins. But in that case the pathogen did cause something — it was just healing misrecognized as disease.
I will give you a real example of this from my life. A few years ago I started to get really itchy skin, first on my chest then later on my back as well. I would mainly feel it after a shower. I also noticed that it got worse starting in mid-May when it starts to get really hot and humid around here, and it would subside soon after I made my annual visit home to somewhat cooler, drying climes. Finally I went to the doctor and he diagnosed it as Tinea Versicolor, which is a fungal infection. Except the thing about it is that it’s not like a fungus that you contract from someone or from the shower floor at the gym. It’s a fungus (a yeast called Malassezia) that grows on us all the time. But usually our bodies do a good job of keeping it in check. But for a variety of reasons it can spin out of control. Heat and humidity can do it. So he gave me an ointment to use and it cleared up pretty quickly until the following summer. This isn’t an example of contagion, obviously, but it is an example of how a germ that we carry with us all the time can spin out of control if the terrain is messed up. The same is true of yeast infections in general. (I should mention that I hardly felt any signs of it and did not need to use the ointment this year despite spending the entire summer in hot humid conditions, which I attribute to my low vitamin A diet and regular consumption of selenium in the form of Brazil nuts.)
The point is that even though I was “infected” with Malassezia, one could say that I was asymptomatic until certain conditions of the terrain caused the ‘infection’ to overcome my body’s ability to maintain the yeast in balance.
Another thing I will say about this is that all of the critiques I’ve seen that reject germ theory wholesale hang their argument on extremely thin evidence. Whereas they place an essentially unsatisfiable burden of proof on the side of germ theory and are quick to dismiss any and all of the copious amounts of evidence we have that germs do/can cause disease, the proof they use of their own argument is mostly just hearsay, along the lines of: “There was this guy who said he invented this magic microscope that nobody has been able to recreate and he saw all kinds of amazing things under it that nobody has seen since.” I’m not saying that it isn’t true — maybe it is. But that is basically — as far as I can tell — the extent of the evidence that is used to support the theory of microzymas. (And, by the way, even if microzymas are correct, I don’t see how they necessarily invalidate the theory that germs cause disease.)
It is in this respect that the ‘viruses don’t cause disease’ line reminds me of Flat Earth: denial of mounds of evidence that the Earth is a sphere but cherry picking some very tenuous and even hearsay evidence to try to get people to believe in something that is definitely wrong. The main difference is that in our everyday experience, the Earth really does seem flat and we don’t seem to hurling and spinning through space at incredible speeds. But in this case, we have (or most of us do) real first-hand experiences of contagion that cannot be easily re-spun as “toxic exposure.” (Which doesn’t mean there is zero role for toxic exposure in trying to understand the etiology of disease.)
There almost certainly are cases where toxicity is the cause of some disease outbreak. Or cases where the toxicity aspect is downplayed and fear of the virus is overplayed. I don’t doubt that. But I am convinced this whole thing is being pushed too far as part of Operation Fantasy Land, and I won’t allow this blog to be used to try to convince people that up is down and day is night and if they ever imagined differently it was just their confusion.
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Alex said:
@Josh
I see where you are coming from but do not 100 percent agree with your comparisons. I would suggest the theory that viruses do not cause diseases passed on from human to human through the air is more akin to the theory the moon landings were faked rather than flat earth. Flat earth would be more equivalent to cells or bacteria do not exist. You could almost put the German new medicine ideas in with flat earth perhaps. I have been led to believe that ‘giant viruses’ have been isolated and purified.
I do agree that there is an intentional attempt to lump in bacteria and fungus with viruses to muddy the waters. As usual people are trying to find one solution to many problems. I could give a personal example of a supposed viral problem some one I know had that was caused through environmental factors but such a story is really of little value. Whatever the truth is we all now know the waters around it will be extremely muddy and full of disinformation controlled opposition and backwashing etc. I do believe it is possible to sort through it all and was attempting to do so just before the current scam began. I have since put it on hold and may get back to it but probably not any time soon.
For the longest time I could not believe that terror attacks were faked it just seemed like flat earth to me trying to take attention away from the fact that it was the CIA etc actually committing these atrocities (gladio style). I also could not accept that the moon landings were faked because I believed that was something only flat earth’s believed eventually I had to tell myself they probably landed but just faked the movie. And obviously the fake terror has now been admitted to (I was on board before that) with the big New York Times article about the 48 fake bombings in a year and a half. There is no way I would have believed fake Nuclear weapons or Physics conferences 5 years ago even knowing about fake terrorism and wars. I am willing to consider that virus theory is intentionally incorrect especially having read the beginnings of it. I find it very similar to quantum physics.
Remember most of physics is basically correct up until a certain stage (the invisible stage basically).
My point being it is difficult to judge where TPTB are trying push things or stop you going. You talk about peoples instincts, remember many believed Alex Jones and other fake opposition and almost all of us believed the news at some stage. We just need to be more willing to admit that everyone gets things wrong both ways, and we all do it a lot and it’s going to continue.
Ps I have no dog in this fight good luck with whatever you decide but please remember there is no suggestion (by any intelligent person on either side) that viruses, bacteria, and fungus are the same. And oversimplification is always incorrect.
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Josh said:
Alex, I agree with much of what you said. I think it may be more akin to the ‘rockets don’t work in a vacuum’ malarky. And yes it can be very difficult to know where TPTB are trying to push things or stop people from discovering them.
By the way the microzyma discovery (which could be correct for all I know) is very close to saying that bacteria, fungi, viruses do not exist as such or at least can be transformed into other types of microbes and back into microzymas.
I don’t know if the lumping of bacteria and fungi together with viruses is done to intentionally muddy the waters. But it is definitely the case that many (most) people who argue that germs are not ever the cause of disease will tell you that a so-called bacterial infection is just bacteria thriving on dead tissue and part of some kind of healing process. So putting germ theory on its head is done with both viruses and bacteria.
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thechemicaluniverse said:
Lots of health models are being challenged by this “flu season” as biochemists collect a lot of “reproducible observations” that they publish and try to fit into “models” models which in turn drive the search for further observations. A virus may have certain biochemical features, but exactly how these features cause a disease or even correlate to a DISEASE may be unclear. Another way of putting it is that today “we” know every protein that the cell makes, We just don’t know how all together these parts “work” to create life. Or death or disease or health. Though that is what people want to know, as it implies a way to cure the disease. For instance there are years of observations of a beta or tau proteins correlating to Alzheimer’s disease, but to date experimental attempts to eliminate or reduce these proteins have not demonstrated a “CURE” Here is the latest one
https://www.biospace.com/article/ac-immune-and-genentech-s-semorinemab-flunks-alzheimer-s-trial/?utm_campaign=ClinicaSpace&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=95891825&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8kV7rOAWJKGeLsJ4pDai68VcDhqt5I2fatsykpsgczdYMDWpgw_PxEsO7xxnDFn4-J0eRlTv2xLBj-JlP_pWtw7BRpFw&utm_content=95891825&utm_source=hs_email
IS THE MEDICINE BAD OR THE “MODEL” OF THE DISEASE BAD?? How embarrassing if one devolved a “CURE” but could not patent it!!!???
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Alec said:
@Josh wouldn’t it be nice if we could get accurate data without the bs I wonder how far (in every way) the human race could advance in just 25 years.
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oregonmatt said:
@jared:
I pasted a quote directly above your comment, from Scobey. Perhaps you read it? Key points from it…”there occurred an epidemic of arsenical poisoning…involving several thousand beer drinkers. For fully six months the etiology was not discovered and the patients exhibited in sequence digestive symptoms, nasal and pharyngeal catarrh, bronchitis, ACUTE SKIN LESIONS, disturbances of sensibility, motor paralysis, PIGMENTATION AND KERATOSES… large number of cases of HERPES ZOSTER during the epidemic and recalling NUMEROUS REPORTS OF THIS TYPE OF ERUPTION occurring in association with arsenical poisoning”.
Back in Scobey’s time, medical professionals still were allowed to talk (quietly) about disease and toxicity. Takeaways from this: Poisons have an effect on the body, and one main way of necessary
elimination is through the skin. Many examples come to mind, and the information in the article I linked at the end of my post above begins to make sense, contrary to your assertion that “nothing in that response is accurate at all.”
According to the CDC,
“Genital herpes is a common STD, and most people with genital herpes infection do not know they have it.”
Now why is that? Are they saying that many of us are asymptomatic carriers of herpes, kinda like all of the asymptomatic carriers of covid-19 running around on the loose? I’m starting to see a pattern here, and I think maybe we should look into this. Just maybe ‘they’re’ making some things up.
Asymptomatic is an invention of the disease ‘experts’, a way to turn healthy people into supposed walking bio-hazards.
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James said:
@josh I am tired of arguing the point anyway, since I admit I don’t really know enough about genetics or tiny microbial bodies. I feel like I’ve convinced myself, and that’s all I ever really need on most subjects to live my life. I don’t even really want to start any kind of kerfuffle over it anyway. I would personally separate bacteria and visible microbes from viruses, as that seems to be a division between life/non-life. I think one of my general objections to a lot of microbiology is its assertion that we are little more than machines. I find it personally objectionable to think that way.
I will be happy to drop the subject and think in other ways. If I wasn’t shy I’d be happy to prove my immense level of obviously-not-connected-to-anyone, but I have some pride left.
I don’t jump up to the bacteria-can’t-screw-up-a-body argument, because bacteria are living creatures, I guess I draw that demarcation line for myself more than anything.
Apologies for bringing it up so repeatedly.
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Josh said:
@James
Yes I am also tired of arguing the point. And to be clear, I was not accusing you are anybody else here of deliberately spreading what I view to be disinformation. That may be the case, of course, but for now I would prefer to assume that you are simply mistaken in your beliefs.
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James said:
For what its worth, I never tried to supplant virus theory with any other alternative theory, because that isn’t the nature of my skepticism. I was just expressing a skepticism that rose to the surface as I read Miles in the past few months and had a vast sea of fakeness exposed to me right in the middle of a, according to the media, viral pandemic. I ended up connecting the two. I wouldn’t claim to know enough about basic chemistry to implant a theory of toxicity or anything. If I had to choose the answer my mind is leaning towards, its that of what I call the placeb-uh-oh effect, that mind has more influence than is currently understood. I don’t ascribe to any spooky theories on the mind, just my own general hunches and unanswered questions.
I hope my comments don’t ring of some sort of spookiness.
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Philip Cox said:
Thanks Josh for a sober breakdown on your reasoning and opinions. Makes sense.
I come from the direction that the medical establishments keeps implementing half-truths as full-truths, and there is nothing more dangerous than doing that in the medical world. I agree germ theory v. the terrain strikes as a false dichotomy, but they both play a part in health. I interpret the terrain = environment, both inside our bodies and outside of it. And the last thing the governors want to do is actually clean up both environments, hence too much (intentional) focus on viruses and germs.
There’s a lot of parallels between the corruption of physics and medicine (and everything else we might say) in the past century, which is why I turned back to 19th century or earlier concepts, herbalism, TCM, and ayurvedic medicine, which I found great success with for my issues. No it isn’t perfect. Nothing is. Also, they keep trying to steal control of our own bodies, with this COVID scam the greatest attempt so far. Turning to the above mentioned allowed me to take back that control.
The biggest problem with Western medicine is that it believes the body can’t fix itself or that everyday people can’t take care of themselves with everyday methods and tools, thus it needs intervention by ‘experts’ who are often on the oligarch’s dime, and can’t see that their education was subverted by the Rockefellers or more culprits.
There are signs this is changing (‘Intergrative medicine’), but these docs have got to realize just like physicists that they have to take back control from the evil corruption that plagues their institutions, otherwise people will continue to lose all trust like I have.
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Josh said:
Well said, Phillip. For the record I only laid out part of my reasons for being highly skeptical of the ‘germs don’t cause disease’ argument.
Also I haven’t had a chance to finish your paper yet but I really like what I see so far. Kudos!
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Michael Deloatch said:
Josh – thanks for taking to task those who keep beating the no-such-thing-as-germs drum. I have thought likewise each time I read that sort of stuff.
However, my toddler granddaughter instructed my family a couple nights ago when she dropped some food at the table. She wouldn’t go for the five-second rule. She said “I’m not eating that now, it’s gross, there are worms on the floor that will make me sick!” I actually did think of the recent virus/germ deniers when she said that — hello Worm Theory of illness!
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Josh said:
Michael that’s funny but definitely a good example of how the emphasis on germs as dangerous has got us doing things that are bad for our health or the health of our terrain. We want kids playing in dirt with works and getting lots of exposure to all kinds of microbes. But instead we are made to be so fearful of ‘germs’ that we try to closer ourselves up in sterile antiseptic environments.
George Carlin has a good bit on that.
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tony martin said:
Try bringing your anthrax infected cattle onto another mans ranch and see if you don’t get lynched for the “No such thing as contagion theory”
Anthrax can kill otherwise healthy looking animals rapidly.
http://www.ozarksfn.com/2015/07/27/understanding-anthrax-2/
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Laurence said:
Anthrax is a bacteria
Not a virus
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tony martin said:
I know it’s not a virus.
Rabies is a viral disease that causes inflammation of the brain in humans and other mammals. Early symptoms can include fever and tingling at the site of exposure.
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Benjamin said:
Perfectly said, Josh!
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Jim said:
What I DO hope is that the good people in this forum continue to put their ideas and research findings out here. It is obvious, from the fact we have not nailed it yet, that the answer is a bit complex and/or key points are hidden beneath/between/behind layers of mainstream subterfuge. We can be sure that they have scripted a project in the COVID scam that minimizes risk to themselves while providing a maximum amount of cover as they empty the coffers once again. There has to be clues in that alone. The fact we are not privy to the kind of tools and facilities that require deep pockets means we have to be crafty and figure this out logically. From what I have observed, there are quite a few here who are up to that task.
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MathisderMaler said:
This germ thing should be snipped to a separate thread. It isn’t a current event. It still smells like pollution to me. Seems like someone wants to pin the no-germ idea on me and my readers. They should know I can’t be led. If I ever get there on my own, I’ll be the first to let you know.
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Ramsay said:
Germs, bacteria, virus’, exosomes and Osmosis Jones, it all gets kind of confusing. I agree it deserves its own blog section. The subject gets lost in the health post. Maybe we need a ‘Lets Have a Corona’ post. But, I disagree that it isn’t current events. It’s so current that it has me fully charged up 100% of the f-ing time. It is emotionally draining being the only maskless person in every store or farmers market I go to, with VERY few exceptions.
The whole reason folks are wearing them is because the corona virus is ‘transmittable’. Which just may be a big f-ing lie. I’m of the opinion it is. So was Aajonus Vonderplanitz, a smartie like Miles. And Antoine Bechamp. Another one who’s scientific findings were not money making and health deteriorating enough for the overlords in Lois Pasteur’s day.
So, ‘Let’s have a Carona’.
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Swathy Krishna said:
James Franco played Tommy Wiseau in Disaster Artist. Does that mean he’s realted to Wiseau, who is also a Phoeny? What a stupid movie. Franco went full retard, if that is possible. I guess they make these obviously bad movies like The Room to cover other “good” flicks.
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3rd doorman said:
On the subject of what to watch, on youtube, and “fakery” being explicitly called out I have to direct you all to the humorous SuperEyepatchWolf and
“The Bizarre World of Fake Martial Arts” of feb2020.
i’ve seen a few martial arts movies, to my shame perhaps, but this doco has some fantastic “real” footage and proceeds to document many fraudulent “masters” i had never imagined.
at 3.9 mil views many will have seen this, and it is VIOLENT, a long standing propaganda technique to de-sensitize us and glorify combat and war. It has some real blood, and fake too, so be WARNED, but on this subject i think it is worth taking a peek, it doesn’t get so gratuitous in it’s depiction.
It touches on the sinister effect such entertainment has on people and real world examples of “teachers” succeding perhaps “to sell a delusional narative [of self defense] and prey on innocent people”.
We see in covid a massively successful parallel! And it may even touch on how Phoney Scions are raised, they are raised/taught to believe they are “special” and go on to believe it, and must submit to norms or risk losing a cornerstone of their narcisistic self image.
The fakery really gets relevant to us at minute 19:29. for the squeemish start there for a look into a Chinese cultural phenomenon that i think HAS to be a psyop. Xu Xiaoddong, radio DJ and MMA hobbyist [mixed martial artist] is pummeling China’s traditions! Can it be? I really want you to decide..
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjbSCEhmjJA”
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Raymond D. said:
Great stuff.
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Relax and live well said:
It’s no different from American superhero culture phenomenon.
Different countries(turfs of the spookdom) got different ‘local flavor’ of psyops.
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suntzufighting said:
Heydrick molested an 11 year old boy and was sentenced to 33 years. It appears for a moment in the background. So he is also a spook, down to the name, which has to be Heydrich.
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Dennis Heretz said:
That’s a very interesting video. I took some martial arts, kung fu and tai chi, and I remember the instructor explaining that tai chi was actually a very effective martial art, you just needed to speed up the motions. I was dubious that those graceful arcing motions would be a useful attack, and to see that poor tai chi master in the video get pummeled sort of confirms that, though it was a bit sad.
I also remember a student asking how effective krav maga was vs. kung fu, and the instructor scoffed, saying, ‘That’s just street fighting.’ I feel that kung fu does have a certain elegance in its movements, but I always wondered how it would hold up against someone willing to do any vicious technique to win a fight.
As to your question whether this is a psyop: Yes, absolutely! It stinks of a psyop. Some clues:
The MMA fighter, Xu Xiaoddong, works in the media
I could understand his motive for doing one or two fights–he was taunted and has to prove his point–but why go on to fight after fight beating a new Chinese master? With every fight the government supposedly treats him worse and worse. His social credit score tanked and he lost his house, etc. Why should he go on? What’s in it for him?
In later fights they make him paint his face with white and blue stripes to appear like a “watermelon clown.” That detail seems silly, and again, why would he submit to such humiliation, unless it was part of an act?
If the government is so concerned about the effect of this man on the perception of Chinese culture, why do they keep broadcasting these fights? Do they really think eventually he will be beaten? And if so, why don’t they just broadcast the fight where he does get beaten?
All that said, I’m sort of baffled at the point of this psyop. What does China gain by showing their own martial arts culture is basically fake?
One thought: Maybe the audience for the psyop is not China, but America and the West. I’ve heard an awful lot about the social credit system in China, and am of course appalled. I think the media keeps mentioning it as a veiled threat: You think you have it bad in America, imagine if you were in China and couldn’t get a mortgage because you spit in the street too much?
Another angle: Xu Xiaoddong is presented as a brave truth-teller who revealed that part of his nation’s history was a fraud, and continued telling his message despite all the opposition he faced. The video mentions all the ways his life was destroyed by sticking to his conscience and telling the truth. Is that the point of this, to show what happens to people who tell the truth, and to scare them off from doing so?
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Graham said:
Lots of possibilities here I think.
Up front I will say I’m drawing on personal experience of a very close friend trained to a high degree in a form of Kung Fu, that used to love to fight individuals or groups on his own, usually outside pubs and always over very swiftly unless he felt like prolonging it for his own entertainment.
The numbers and strength of opponents seem to make no difference, nor what they might be armed with. I have no way of knowing if its martial arts that have given him that ability, or just the fact that he is stronger than an ox, ignores pain and enjoys violence.
My assumption is the training was real.
Several more possibilities with the potential psyop here though:
Maybe those “masters” so easily defeated don’t actually represent the pinnacle of their discipline. In the same way nobel prize winners can’t be said to represent the pinnacle of achievement in physics etc, maybe they are just members of the Chinese phoeny branch simply in place via their hereditary entitlement and unrepresentative of the real power of the art.
Secondly the martial arts tend to give people heightened self discipline and self reliance, the last thing the masters want, so blackwashing those arts would make sense for them. Some of them have side disciplines that involve natural healing – something at odds with the roll out of big pharma and vaccination – in a country that was/is renowned for effective natural medicine
And of MMA itself? Maybe its just promotion as its a lucrative business, similar to the WWF and such rubbish in the States. That chap that has had such a hard time “exposing” fake masters certainly seemed to have no shortage of cash and time to train in big expensive gyms or getting his mug in front of the cameras. Perhaps those “masters” were paid to take a dive like crisis actors.
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Dennis Heretz said:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that kung fu is not a useful self-defense technique against a troublemaker you might meet on the street. What I was wondering about was how acknowledged masters of each of the styles–kung fu, krav maga, MMA–would stack up if they fought each other.
Your suggestion that the point might be to promote MMA is a good one. I missed that simple commercial interests might be at play here. Like they want to introduce MMA to a huge new audience, and what better way than to defeat the old styles. I bet the ratings in China for MMA will be much higher than for the old stuff.
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Thomas said:
Indeed, we are supposed to believe the power of martial arts, but as soon
the fight is with a none martial art fighter, who don’t follow the rules, it all fall to the floor. Here is one Chinese guy, who knock out all the tough martial art fighters, but he also got a lot of trouble with the Chines government.
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UvRavszvPY”
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Raymond D. said:
Thanks for bringing this to our attention; I love MA but this is a revelation.
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Lio said:
The “ancient kung fu” masters and styles have looong been known as fakery, Bruce Lee himself outed it all in the 60s/70s. Many of them are historically political groups disguised as martial arts schools, many Chinese dynasties and empires have warred against the shaolin temples, and other martial arts schools because they were the gathering places of political dissidents and opposition. The CCCP has been especially belligerent against a fairly recent form the name of which escapes me.
Probably one of the reasons Lee left China and maybe why he needed to fake his death, he exposed too much too soon. But now others have caught on thanks to the popularity of MMA (also a whole lot of fakery, but this time with a more “believable” veneer)
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John James said:
Falun Gong?
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Relax and live well said:
I remembered bruce lee mentioned as a spook in one of Miles’ papers.
Needless to say, falun gong is also another spook front, it’s no different from cccp and other spook fronts.
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Mark said:
Maybe……..Trust children……one way they maybe control their offspring is likely through the use of discretionary trusts that the trustees use to control the flow of funds to the beneficiary at their discretion. If behaviour is not compliant then flow of funds stops or reduces? Maybe the Trust tax returns are sent to a special department of the IRS/Inland Revenue where they are processed with no tax taken so the Trusts grows without the costs and time rules the general public are contained by when trying to pass wealth down the generations?
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cancelled said:
James,
What is the “long term deeper lie” you are referring to?
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James said:
In this particular instance, that viruses don’t exist at all. That is a long term deeper lie. There are so many of them that if people actually started catching on to, the house of cards would fall. The spooks don’t mind blowing the cover of this or that lie some decades down the road, as long as in doing so they don’t blow your “respect for authority.” As long as people don’t demand proof for every single claim these bastards make, they’re happy to run controlled opposition for the people who are skeptical of authority, but who don’t want to do very much thinking for themselves. They know there will always be those who are skeptical, but they have little circles built for them to run around in. Bill Gates is the devil, or some such nonsense that will lead nowhere and exposes nothing and isn’t even true. Bill Gates is, at best, a patsy and an actor, but that exposes too much. Sure, let’s throw some heat on the WHO for a little bit, but not actually ask any hard questions or expose anything.
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perplexed1984 said:
James, based on your other posts I think you meant to say the deeper lie is that viruses exist. I was a bit confused reading it, then saw your comment about a Stanley being behind the whole thing.
I think Pasteur also conjured them from thin air. But certainly by looking at “cui bono” it’s easy to see how useful viruses are to the governors.
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James said:
Yeah I tend to type conversationally as if in speaking and when I’m speaking there’s no mistaking it. That was my bad. That is what I meant to say, the lie is that viruses exist.
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James said:
I also meant in the comment above that “viruses don’t exist” is still only a smaller piece of the much bigger lie. I wouldn’t say that’s the biggest lie of all, although it feels big tight now. Yeah, I found Stanley and his Wikipedia page seemed like a joke to me before I had even read most of the more recent genealogy papers. I wasn’t even thinking of his name when he seemed like a spook to me. For example three of the top names Wikipedia uses as research to substantiate its virology article are all sourced from a single old source and very little evidence is given. I do not believe it’s as solid a science as it is portrayed, much the way that Miles has punched holes through modern physics. I think you would end up finding all of virology’s top names riddled with peer connections and spooky pasts if you did the research. Which I might end up doing when I get the time.
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recalcitrant soul said:
I’m in the ‘viruses’ don’t exist in the way that it is stated. Yes, there is still fungus, bacteria and parasites to deal with.
The Bio Terrain workings of the body is about the effects of how toxins, poisons cause the body to react and fix the problem IF the system has the needed resources to deal with it. “Viruses’ are the last line of defense and are a solvent made in the cell to dissolve a specific problem and make it able to be removed from the body. These broken down remnants from the cells are themselves toxic and that is what causes the ‘sickness’.
They can NOT be transferred from human to human period, nor animal to human. The only way the can be passed to another living creature is by injection. So basically living cells with this process being present are injected into another living being.
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