[This is the thread to discuss the current corona virus psy-op.]
From Las Vegas, Pittsburg, Thousand Oaks to Russian Collusion and the Khashoggi assassination, false-flag hoaxes, conspoofacies, fake murders and other manufactured events are running non-stop around the world and around the corner.
A reader wrote in to suggest opening a comment section devoted to discussing current (faked) events. I thought it was a good idea and would provide a place where people could chime in on what’s going on in the news and even offer evidence for why they think the event was faked, hoaxed, manufactured, etc. (or why not). Have at it, unless you think it’s a waste of your time–in which case, don’t!
rolleikin said:
Tarantino has announced he is only making one more movie. I don’t necessarily believe that but that is what he said.
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Josh said:
Hasn’t he already announced his exit from film making like 2 or 3 times already? I don’t believe it. He’s too in love with himself to stop.
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rolleikin said:
“Hasn’t he already announced his exit from film making like 2 or 3 times already?”
Yes, he’s been saying for years that he plans to retire after his tenth film and his next one will be his tenth.
But, I also doubt he will really disappear after #10 (unfortunately).
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John James said:
Tarantino is only popular due to saturation marketing, because he puts out garbage and that’s what the PTB want our souls to dwell on. I’m sick of hearing about how these spooks became well-funded and popular due to their talent when it’s evident they aren’t very good and they are just filling our minds with filth. They take the talented people and make them engineers of sorts where they have no say over the content.
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Graham said:
Miles has updated his Lincoln paper
Click to access lincoln.pdf
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Maria said:
I’ve been waiting for this fraudulent corona-craze to trigger a predictable looting of the treasuries, and now I just read that Italy has set aside 25 billion EUR to mitigate the economics effects of the pandemic. I also learned that the UK has dedicated 30 billion GBP to fighting the corona virus. It was commented here earlier that the U.S. would donate 8.3 billion USD. The EU has, like Italy, pledged 25 billion EUR. Japan will spend 4 billion USD on the virus and Canada will spend 1 billion and possibly(=surely) more.The IMF pledges 50 billion USD in a stimulus package to low and middle income countries. This “stimulus” is given out as loans, I guess, and so will only bring more misery to these countries. I feel pretty confident these numbers will continue to rise and that all this money will find its way to the pockets of our usual suspects who set up this fake virus crisis for this very purpose. Here in Europe they are going bananas sending out new updates every half hour with the latest (fake) stats and what new Orwellian measures are to be implemented. It all reminds me of this old Monty Python sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PktyJR_U2J0
Links
Italy: https://www.fxstreet.com/news/italys-conte-government-to-set-aside-25-billion-euros-to-help-economy-202003111009
UK: https://www.avonadvocate.com.au/story/6674535/uk-vows-30-billion-pounds-to-fight-virus/?cs=12
IMF: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-imf-pledges-50-billion-as-coronavirus-stimulus-what-is-europe-waiting-for-2020-03-05
EU: https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/eu-pledges-e25-billion-to-weather-coronavirus-impact/
Japan: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-live-updates-china-reports-19-new-cases-italy-quarantines.html
Canada: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/03/11/canada-creates-c1-billion-to-fight-coronavirus-prepared-to-spend-more
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Vick said:
Good research. Thank you!
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Roelf_zelf said:
Tom Hanks of course
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Vick said:
Ominous photo there IMHO. Remember — One definition of FEAR is False Evidence Appearing Real!
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Cory W. said:
Right. You knew it was going to be a “big name” celebrity.
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Vick said:
I didn’t guess the “Hanx” (handkerchiefs?) would be the first celebs to contract this hard-to-actually-see virus infection, but I do have a question. Why no cheeky photo of the two “Hanx” with a nice view of the Australia coast while holding up glasses of wine and mugging for the camera? Perhaps because they would look a little too healthy and happy?
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Roelf_zelf said:
Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson have tested positive for the coronavirus. Both have been down in Australia for the pre-production of Baz Luhrmann’s untitled Elvis Presley film from Warner Bros. The two-time Oscar winner Hanks is set to play Presley’s longtime manager Colonel Tom Parker in the project
Funny
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Patrick said:
Hanks’ son gives update – center stage tatt indicates Sonny Boy knows which side of the bread the butter’s on:
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Roelf_zelf said:
The one I saw was 33 seconds exact. They must have changed it.
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Vick said:
What a fine upstanding spawn of Hollywood the Hanx managed to raise. Well now Disneyland will be closing is the latest announcement. Not just for a day or two but for a record breaking long time — “at least until the end of [March].” Video bloggers Pockets of the Future and Richie from Boston (YouTube channels probably also on Bitchute) both have interesting analysis and ideas about what is really happening and what is likely to come. Expect nothing, be ready for anything is my motto. Oh yah and the Owen Benjamin “Fear nothing but God” sounds like a generally good idea too. Remember, the Chinese word for “Crisis” is composed of two Chinese characters signifying both “danger” and “opportunity.” If you get a chance to get closer to Nature and God or both (without dying of the virus) I say go for it!
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Graham said:
I avoid doctors like the plague but have a good mind to fake symptoms of the virus and ask for a check up. Just to see if I get a positive. Then after two weeks of self isolation, come out and say I didn’t have it, experienced no symptoms but was still diagnosed with it.
Except that no news outlet will publish it of course, the only benefit will be a couple of weeks off work…
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Josh said:
Here’s a nice little nugget related to this Coronavirus hysteria. Looks like the CDC started hiring for statewide coordinators of its Quarantine Program back in mid-November (also, notice the pay grade at the end):
https://jobs.cdc.gov/job/dallas/public-health-advisor-quarantine-program/250/14136286
Public Health Advisor (Quarantine Program)
Job ID HHS-CDC-D3-20-10640010
Date posted 11/15/2019
Location: Dallas, Texas, El Paso, Texas, Houston, Texas, Seattle, Washington, Anchorage, Alaska, Los Angeles, California, San Diego, California, San Francisco, California, Miami, Florida, Atlanta, Georgia, Honolulu, Hawaii, Chicago, Illinois, Boston, Massachusetts, Detroit, Michigan, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Newark, New Jersey, New York, New York, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, San Juan
Department: Department of Health And Human Services
Agency: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Job Announcement Number: HHS-CDC-D3-20-10640010
SALARY RANGE: $51440.0 to $93077.0/Per Year
OPEN PERIOD: 2019-11-15 to 2020-05-15
SERIES & GRADE: GS–9/11
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Vick said:
Front page news here in San Francisco is basically telling people to stay home even if they just have the sniffles just to be on the safe side because they don’t have enough test kits. I bet a bit of that big money changing hands is going to actually be used to help people but I wouldn’t count on it and certainly the vast majority of the money ain’t going into the pockts of the people who as George Carlin would say, “. . .are not in the Big Club.” Get ready to hunker down without fear is my attitude. A special St. Joseph novena just started at my church which will be followed by a St. Patrick’s Day Dinner and Dance! I love it. Oh and by the way the annual St. Patrick’s Day parade was cancelled several days ago. The Irish San Franciscans are generally annoyed that the Chinese got to have their parade but they are not being allowed their own.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/coronavirus-UC-San-Francisco-Maria-Raven-15118851.php
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MathisderMaler said:
I just learned something interesting. We have already established that the PHoenicians flourished due to their early control of shipping and banking, but it appears a semi-monopoly on iron production was also a part of it. Turns out the Sea Peoples destroyed the Hittite Empire, and the Hittites used to be linked to a monopoly on Iron smelting. As part of this old theory, the Sea Peoples took over the monopoly and spread it west. That theory has been pooh-poohed by more recent “historians”, and since those historians tend to be Jewish, we can ignore them. So it looks to me like the Iron Age itself is a pointer to Jewish hegemony. Byblos was right on the Southern border of the Hittite empire. So it is probable the Sea Peoples were so dominant at that time because they were the only ones with iron armor and weapons. Everyone else in Europe was fighting with bronze until many centuries later. The only other people who had iron at that time were the Indians, but the Indians were never especially interested in war. THe Hittites got the technology from India, but like the Indians weren’t that interested in empire building. It was the Phoenicians who had the fleets and who were interested in conquest.
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MathisderMaler said:
More indication of this is that at the very time the Sea Peoples were sacking the Hittites and many other places, the Israelites were defeating the Canaanites and founding their 12 tribes, including the Tribe of Asher, which was the furthest north and contained the ports of Tyre and SIdon. Well, the Sea Peoples were called the Weshesh by the Egyptians, which is a corruption of “men of Asher”. The Egyptians also called them the Denyen, which may be a corruption of “men of Dan”. Dan also had a prominent seaport at Jaffa. The Egyptians also called them Sherden, which the historians pretend not to understand, or link to Sardinia! But that almost certainly points to Sidon again.
As for Hanks, I will believe it when I see him in a coffin with my own eyes, and probably not even then. I will poke him with a pin, like Willis did to Malkovich in Red2.
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mantalo said:
I suggest that the “people of the sea” were actually people from the black sea, more précisely, coming from colchis which was a very very healthy kingdom at this time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis
“The Colchis was considered by the Greeks as a country of fabulous wealth. The inhabitants of Colchis lived by the extraction and the processing of gold ores, iron, copper. They were masters in the manufacture of bronze objects.
According to the Greek mythology, Colchis was a fabulously wealthy land situated on the mysterious periphery of the heroic world. Here in the sacred grove of the war god Ares, King Aeëtes hung the Golden Fleece until it was seized by Jason and the Argonauts. Colchis was also the land where the mythological Prometheus was punished by being chained to a mountain while an eagle ate at his liver for revealing to humanity the secret of fire.
Colchis also is thought to be a possible homeland of the Amazons. Amazons also were said to be of Scythian origin from Colchis.
why black sea ?
because the old name of black sea was “pont euxin”, in which we find the he usual P N X characterizing “phoenicians”
I suggest also that the alleged “collaps” was not at all a collapse, but a renaming and reorganization of powers thanks to marriages between elites.
without forgetting that today amazon is both the longest river in the world but also the largest online sales site.
In my opinion, it is not for nothing that this word is used to name two sacred “monsters”
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Sir Blumenbach said:
The Bronze Age collapse was just around the time the Trojan war happened. Troy was also on the western border of the Old Hittites, called the Phrygians by the Greeks.
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FredPenner said:
Thanx Hanx. Hope they keep you in isolation for a very long time
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John C. said:
I find the connection between the solar minimum that Miles has written about and the “Corona” virus curious. Could it be that the “project directors” are “capitalizing” on people’s weak immune systems at a time of solar minimum and a maximum of pharma poisoning for a giant fear and looting scheme?
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Vick said:
The news is notoriously dishonest. The Bigger the Story the Bigger the Lie is often the situation. The idea that someone is “capitalizing” on a weakening effect of the solar minimum requires a fundamental belief that the virus is real to begin with. I’ve yet to see one single story of this virus harming anybody that is necessarily believable at all. I don’t know one single person that is sick right now with anything at all. I get more of a negative effect from eating too much sugar than any solar minimum thing that I am conscious of. I’ve never even looked at a virus under an electron microscope. Have you? This story requires a lot of foundational trust in the global medical industry. Who makes these tester kits? How are they made? How do they work? No answers.
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John C. said:
I totally agree with the scepticism regarding the reality of the virus and its supposed effects. My point was that people’s immune systems are already very weak due to various circumstances (solar minimum, pharma poisoning, constant fear, etc.) and that any mild illness or symptoms thereof can be used as “proof” of its existence. This “project” has similarities to past “health scares”.
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Vick said:
Good point. There are many signs that this was well “planned” top to bottom. Some say the modern day health concerns are symbolically akin to Agatha Christie’s “Murder on the Orient Express” with death by a thousand cuts to the average American happening daily. The top three causes of death in America are the same as they were over 50 years ago but literally millions of times more profitable than they used to be. Cancer. Heart Disease. Diabetes. A short list of things adversely and perhaps even unconsciously affecting everyone’s health in our modern age perhaps includes but is not limited to the following (based in part on http://www.Educate-yourself.org) :
Too much sugar consumption; Too much white flour consumption; Too much drug consumption (both legal and illegal); Too much extra chemical consumption (e.g. fast food); Too much exposure to Dangers of Wifi, Cell Phones, Smart Meters and Exposure to Microwave Energy; Lack of Enough Sunlight Exposure; Lack of enough pure water; Too much exposure to Tell-Lie-Vision programming which makes people fearful and egotistical at the same time; Too much exposure to movies such as those created by Quentin Tarantino which adversely affect ones health and happiness by inflicting unconscious trauma through character identification and willing suspension of disbelief.
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mantalo said:
50 years ago,people didn’t take too much chemicals, nor drugs, nor fast food, wifi didn’t exist, water was purer, television was at the beginning, movies were not so bad, etc…
we have to find something else.
and, are you sure at 100% that cancer is really what we believe it is ?
who tells you that you have cancer ?
the same people who will make a lot of money when trying to cure you…
with what ? chemo ? chemistry again ?
so we are still in the hands of chemists… and it’s not a good place
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Patrick said:
Re: Vick “Who makes these tester kits? How are they made? How do they work?”
Probably by the same criminals that make the voting machines – and we can’t be shown how they’re made or how they work because it’s “proprietary information”. Flu can be changed into The Latest Dread Disease the same way that votes can be changed is my guess, for what it’s worth.
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Chris Ryska said:
@ Graham, Thanks for the Bach, Well Tempered Clavier, it brought back memories. I actually hadn’t heard it since my mom forced me to attend those concerts when I was growing up.
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tony martin said:
The scam continues. But where are the torches and pitchforks?
Humanity really is a bunch of credulous sucker losers.
Federal Reserve to Offer $270 Billion in Loans to Wall Street Tomorrow
Don’t all you guys feel sorry for them? I’m beside myself crying my heart out for those poor guys on Wall Street.
https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/03/federal-reserve-to-offer-270-billion-in-loans-to-wall-street-tomorrow/
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Graham said:
I thought Wall Street already owned the Federal Reserve, isn’t it a private entity?
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John C. said:
Yes, it is privately owned by the banking usual suspects. It’s not Federal and there is no reserve. It’s a tool in the giant take down scam.
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Cory W. said:
Ah yeah, just another confirmation of the controllers using the manufactured hysteria as a cover to transfer wealth to the usual suspects. It is no loan.
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Greg said:
Looks like most of our corporations are in on it. I’ve received tons of “significantly enhanced our cleaning and sanitation efforts” emails this week from every place i’ve shopped at. Even local businesses are sending them out. I’m like shouldn’t these places had cleaning and sanitation efforts before hand. I don’t want the rude overworked part time employee to hack a lugey in my milkshake.
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Benjamin said:
I’m amazed at the extent they are going all in on this. Many sporting competitions are cancelled worldwide. That’s a huge loss of gate takings, significant ramifications for broadcast deals, and jersey sponsors who didn’t pay huge sums for their brands to be kept off the field. Airlines and tourist industries will also have significant losses. It must be about more than just fear this time. Is it their big push for mandatory vaccinations?
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Graham said:
If so lets hope it backfires. Millions of sporting fans and holiday makers will be sitting at home bored. Maybe some of them will find their way here and start spreading the word, and also start spending time with their families…
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Philip Cox said:
Possibly the rumors are true. They are using this as a cover for an economic downturn, and probably other shenanigans. Also conventional/Western medicine has taken a huge hit in credibility in the last couple decades, and it seems they are shoring up their defenses by creating a lot of chaos that only medicinal institutions can fix of course.
Since the last downturn in 2008 had everyone (correctly) pointing their fingers at the financiers, they likely thought they would rather create a scapegoat this time unrelated to the economic sphere.
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Graham said:
According to Wiki we have been experiencing economic crises with increasing regularity since AD33 lol.
They’ve already decided this latest affair is worthy of the list. And yes it appears to be the first one not attributed to the aftermath of greed or war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_economic_crises#21st_century
Neither the bubonic plague black death or “spanish flu” seem to have caused one.
The financiers must just be snowflakes these days lol.
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Philip Cox said:
They also know by attacking healthcare they are attacking people where they are most vulnerable. Very few people can put up any kind of resistance to this kind of chaos-mongering when their very health (and sanity) is being toyed with. Especially if they have a family and kids in school. Ohio just ordered the public schools shut down for 3 weeks. Unprecedented I think, but the schools here are also absolutely abysmal and any excuse for release kids from those prisons is fine by me. Of course the parents hate it as now they have to do something about their kids. Dayton’s schools are also being taken over by the state due to their abysmal performance. Also I know the teachers have been talking of strikes for years, but of course nothing ever comes of it.
This whole episode suggests to me they are feeling the heat and are afraid of losing control, hence they are dialing up the chaos to the 11th or 12th degree now. Daily fake shootings obviously wasn’t doing it and some girls I talk to seem to be numb to the whole serial killer fake, so let’s make everyone afraid of invisible viruses they said.
And they will keep dialing up the fearporn year after year until one day they will finally be forced to show us the brickwall in the back of the theater.
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Graham said:
And when its all over the grateful sheep will just be happy that they survived, want the vaccine, spend all thoir money and forget that they’ve been fucked over with low wages, slavery, malnutrition, non education and the destruction of culture at al all their lives.
A sure way to distract from the long overdue quantum shift in world governance we all need.
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Benjamin said:
Yes money is the God of these people. There must be some major economic incentives for all these major corporations to comply.
They’ve pushed this one so hard its become impossible to ignore, with friends and family talking about stock piling and self isolating. I really hope someone blows the whole thing with a guest paper for Miles. I’d do it myself, but I haven’t been paying attention.
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Roelf_zelf said:
@graham. They will shut down the Internet for a couple of weeks.
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Maria said:
As expected!
Is anyone working on a paper on the Corona scam? I saw these photos that allegedly are of intensive care unit Corona patients in a hospital in Cremona, Italy:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/worrying-photos-show-coronavirus-victims-in-italy-on-life-support/news-story/447837fc5b29b80d9171234b19f538ba
and
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11131963/coronavirus-life-support-italy-photos/
Some of the patients are lying face down, which I find strange given they are supposed to have airway problems and may need assistance to breathe. I also wonder why they are mostly naked and why they have bandages around their heads. One of them also have bandages around his feet.
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Vick said:
I agree that those photos of patients lying face down and bare skinned look strange and scary. Probably on purpose! Are they lying to us and this virus is more deadly than they want us to yet realize? Or are they lying about the virus being deadly at all? Or do they have a one-two punch of virus releases planned? We shall see. Or not!
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Graham said:
The victims have two things in common.
They are alleged to have coronavirus, and they are in hospital.
I haven’t heard of anyone dying outside of hospital.
My bet is they are dying of chemical induced pneumonia, or fucked up vaccine reaction. Or maybe they are just normal intensive care patients – In UK they make patients wear tight stockings to prevent DVT after operations, maybe thats what the leg bandages are about. And maybe the bloke laying on his face just makes it easier to get a thermometer up his arse.
I would rather take my chances and trust my immune system, than a bunch of geeks in hazmats with a chemical arsenal at their fingertips anyday.
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Maria said:
I don’t think these are real patients as they are too young. I would expect to see frail 80+ year old people. And why are there 5 people trying to operate the same machinery? You would send only absolutely necessary personell into such germ infested areas, personell who would have been trained to operate the equipment present in such places and noot need help. Nothing about these images seems real to me and so I conclude they are fake. I also conclude there is no epidemic outside the normal influenza viruses that circulate every year. A real epidemic would require actual resources being allocated to the healthcare system, and the organizers are just too greedy for that. There is no advantage in having a real epidemic when they can fake one so easily. So my comment to the suggestion that the virus is more deadly than they want to admit, is that real viruses would cost real money. I also believe the idea that the virus is a lot more dangerous than official stats show is the second layer of lies they circulate to cover up that it is just one giant bluff. They’re already saying that the epidemic is reducing in places like China and South Korea, which they have to do before people realize the hospitals aren’t filling up with sick people. I also don’t think the patients in the images are dying from something else, as again, they look too young and healthy to be the first to be affected by chemicals or anything else harmful.
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KeBane said:
Regarding the healthcare system, university research hospitals, foundations and institutions that produce this deluge of “expert talking heads” all over the media; why haven’t these bloated, over-charging entities taken it upon themselves to produce “the tests” and corral the disease? How many hospitals, universities who educate epidemiologists, and private foundations constantly advertise for our healthcare dollars, take private insurance and medicare and are glutted with trillions of our medical care dollars over the decades? Yet these giants are suddenly unable to test, unable to prepare for cases of the disease, unable to give answers and generally unable to handle a new disease without imput from the government. What are these institutions waiting for? Or is this situation all contrived? Not moving the private healthcare system on purpose?
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Wayne G. said:
Et tu Josh?!!
Sorry man you know how I feel about you but you’re just wrong on this one, hospitalist Dad or not. Let’s start with the truth/lie issue here first.
Again I reiterate my feelings on language and use of the word “truth.” Truth, my friend, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. See the alt- rights and lefts, et al. So that word needs to be flushed from the record. We can talk facts and facts alone. As I’ve also stated previously, language is an imperfect form of communication, made worse by what the phon(e)y’s have done with/to it. Now add the frenzied media who are playing this baby to the hilt, as they do with every other piece of manufactured “news.” We know for a fact, these organizations are in the pockets of those outed daily here and through Miles, you, Vex and others. This was my huge bitch on the Kobe Bryant “death.” That and the fact, eight others purportedly died, including his 13-year old daughter, yet it was all about a rapist roundball player, whose death was probably faked.
As I stated to Maria, we must be careful how we frame hoaxes, out and out deception and fakery. Indeed, there is a virus (contagion) called COVID19 we know it was patented by the US Patent Office as such. And as such, the word virus is in the legal and medical lexicon and now certainly in every vocabulary worldwide. So the basic “facts” say a virus is in fact real…in legal terms. Yet, science has yet to actually be able to prove viruses exist and this one is no exception. So legal terminology or not, there is little scientific evidence to prove one way or another. Now add the fun loving virologists to the bag of tricks. They’ll concoct anything to keep their high paying jobs and do so on a regular basis. Just as chopper pilots will push weather when they should be grounded. Chopper pilots have self determination in that regard and have a nasty habit of failing too often, as do virologists, only worse.
Beyond all this we get into yet another dilemma, since in reality our governors’ track records to this point are, at best, really, really effing bad. Even you admit this. So there’s that and Bill & Melinda Greed, big Pharma, understaffed and under-educated hospital staff. That’s before we look at hospital administrators. Wanna go there? You yourself said costs are high, so beds need to be filled and ventilators need patients and if someone’s even borderline and insured, they’re great placeholder$. Admins basically know nothing in medical terms, they’re simply business people.
Then there’s testing. Yet another bag of tricks. I’ve included a couple links below on SARS, also a Coronavirus, and COVID19. The huge outbreak in China was mostly because of tests that were more proganda than actual fact. Chinese doctors administered tests on patients getting positives one day, negative the next and then plosives the third. Why? Because the test being done, didn’t work, at least quite the way “they” wanted. When the Chinese finally figured out that testing was flawed they changed the parameters of the test to what used to be acceptable definitions; their cases dropped dramatically and the virus was more akin to normal flu issues and is basically gone now.
I’m certainly not a doctor but having kids I know what a bunch of buffoons hospitals and Doctors can be. My former wife was having serious problems breathing and literally collapsed on the floor trying to go from the bed to the bathroom. She went to her primary care doctor who told her she was depressed and prescribed some RX meds for depression. She had had bouts of anxiety for a goodly portion of her life and had been diagnosed with low grade anxiety and was receiving CB therapy. I was livid over the asshat’s diagnosis and tossed the damn meds. She had two more incidents, the second he told her she had a sinus infection and by the third I was crazy and told her not to leave that office without at least a chest x-ray. She finally got it, from the nurse practitioner. The x-ray showed a tumor the size of a deflated football in her chest. She was diagnosed with Non Hodgkin’s, large B-cell lymphoma. It was Fourth of July weekend and had we not acted when we did and waited out the holiday, she would have died enroute via ambulance. One of many reasons why I have no use for western for-profit medicine. Anecdotal, I know but nonetheless my experiences have left me questioning everything, though I have questioned everything since I was a child.
The reality here is you are certainly entitled to your opinion. As you stated, we’ll know something one way or another in a few weeks. Fact is, that’s not true. We will never know the true facts and you better than most should know that. So in essence, you’ll win this little tiff since we all know “truth” in their linguistics is always a falsehood but no one is ever gonna admit what the real facts are to this ending. Certainly doesn’t change my feelings toward you, just feel a little smarter for not having bet the bank on this one!
Click to access SARS.pdf
Click to access CoronavirusPanic.pdf
PS. As I started to send this I saw your update on testing. Is your Dad a virologist? Is he certified lab technician? How is he so sure these new test kits are accurate? The tests can be and are fudged, period. Money talks…we all know the rest of that story.
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Rudi said:
And some of those lying face down are over weight people as well. As an overweight guy myself, I can tell you that’s a damn good way to stop me from breathing properly. Clearly someone’s having a laugh here
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Josh said:
Alright, I’m going to come out and declare my position, which is not likely to be very popular in these circles, but here it is: I believe the virus (or whatever is causing this illness) is real. I don’t think it’s a hoax. That’s not to say I believe everything or even most of what I read about it. Undoubtedly the issue is surrounded by immense amounts of fog and misdirection. However, I believe there is a novel illness here and that it is contagious and spreading rapidly. How quickly and widely it will spread and how serious it will prove to be is still an open question and also something that is likely to vary dramatically from area to area for a wide range of reasons.
Regarding people laying on their stomachs, a quick search shows that this practice is used for ventilating patients who have very serious lung issues:
https://www.cochrane.org/CD008095/EMERG_prone-face-down-position-mechanical-ventilation-adults-acute-respiratory-failure
https://news.christianacare.org/2019/01/prone-positioning-of-some-critically-ill-patients-becomes-new-standard-of-care/
About the PCR tests. Yes they are highly inaccurate, however they are not totally inaccurate. And if they are done more than once the accuracy goes up. PCR is also not the only way to diagnose Corona. It turns out that a patient with lung problems from Corona has a fairly unique pattern and Corona can be diagnosed with some accuracy just based on what the lungs look like: https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020200642
One of the reasons I have formed my opinion is that my dad currently works as a hospitalist for two major hospitals in Santa Clara County, the epicenter of the outbreak in California and the one mentioned by Loralei55. (If anyone doubts that, those who know my last name can simply do an internet search on my last name and the word hospitalist.) They have Corona patients, some of whom are on ventilators and some of whom have died. Most recovered. This is not simply a reclassification of flu. What they are seeing is a unique presentation of symptoms that in some cases lead to very serious lung problems. Are there going to be some false positives? Yes, undoubtedly. Are they all going to be false positives attributed to Corona rather than some other disease? I really don’t think so. I expect that the healthcare system in most places in the U.S. is going to be put under an extreme burden in the next month due to the explosion of Corona cases. I will report back from him to provide an inside scoop if things get worse. If they get significantly worse, then we can be certain this is no hoax.
I was the one who linked to a Reddit post listing many instances in which 33 came up in reporting on the coronavirus. That would seem to indicate a hoax, but not necessarily. In my first paper on Smedley Butler, I mentioned the 33 numerology around the opioid crisis and suggested it might be fake or way overblown. Some people wrote back that based on their personal experience, it is most definitely real and causing a lot of pain and misery and death. The conclusion I’ve come to since then is that the crisis is real (though perhaps exaggerated to some extent), but the reasons we are given for it are not. It was engineered by the governors to serve a wide range of desiderata, and they used 33 as their calling card.
I believe the same is true here. Nobody would say that on 9/11 the twin towers did not fall. That part was not fake. But the amount of fog and lies surrounding what really happened on that day stack to the heavens. Nobody would say that WWI or WWII were fake and that there were no casualites in those wars, even if the numbers are inaccurate and the wars were manufactured. I believe this is similar. I also believe the virus was deliberately engineered and released on the public and that they obviously knew ahead of time (see my previous comment about early hiring for quarantine directors). The amount of fog and lies surrounding Coronavirus are immense, but there is a kernel of reality behind all of that. I believe time will tell. I hope to be proven wrong.
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BB said:
Sorry, Josh. You’re off the mark on this one.
It’s been pretty well proven that Germ Theory is fake, so they aren’t engineering viruses to contaminate the world because viruses (that cause illness) don’t exist. Sure, you can see things under a microscope, but they aren’t causing illnesses.
More like an explosion of people that think they have Corona cases due to the mass hysteria created by the media. With that in mind, I have no doubt that hospitals will be flooded with moderately sick people.
No, we can’t. What kind of logic is this?
It’s already been shown that literally everything is a hoax, so why is Coronavirus any different?
I’m now using Coronavirus as my litmus test for my favorite figures. And most are failing the test.
Pretty disappointing.
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Josh said:
@BB
I’ll be happy if I’m proven wrong. But your comment doesn’t do it for me, sorry.
Has it? I admit I haven’t read deeply enough on this issue. But I still haven’t seen any reasonable rebuttal of a common sense observation: how do you explain contagion without germs? I’ve witnessed contagion happening in my own household. I know it happens from my own personal experience. And yet I haven’t seen a satisfactory explanation other than germs. I’m not saying that our understanding of germs is correct or complete by any means. But from my own experience they do play a causal role in illness. (By the way, some people here would disagree with your statement that you can see viruses with a microscope.)
I guess you don’t really understand how basic medical triage works, how thermometers work, how stethoscopes and blood tests and x-ray machines work. You can’t just walk into a hospital, complain of symptoms, and expect to be admitted. In fact, hospitals in the US do everything they can to stop people from being admitted, because the costs are high and insurance companies are reticent to pay and will reimburse at the rates they choose, not the rates the hospitals choose. So they are very careful about whom they admit, and it is only the very sick who get admitted. And they decide if someone is sick not just based on the symptoms they claim to have: they have all kinds of tests (like those mentioned above) to determine if someone actually needs to be admitted. I suppose it would be possible to flood the emergency rooms of America with people who are moderately ill. But it would not be possible to swamp the hospitals with such people–unless the hospitals changed their policy and started admitting moderately sick people. But when we start talking about swamping ICU’s and putting people on a respirator, do you seriously think you can just fake your way to that? Either it’s going to happen for real or it’s not.
China and Italy are too remote for me to decide whether their experiences with sick people overwhelming the hospitals/ICUs/respirator capacity were/are real or not. But since my dad is working on the front lines in the U.S., I will have a direct way to know whether it is real or not. You can decide to believe it or not. I don’t care. I also don’t care if I failed your test. I only care what is true and what is not.
If the hospitals are overrun, the ICU’s are over capacity and they start having to choose who gets a respirator and who gets to die, then we can be sure that this isn’t just the flu, because that doesn’t happen every year during flu season, now does it? Though I guess I should have said “I can be certain this is no hoax,” since I don’t expect anybody else to take my word for it. Or my dad’s.
No, you’re wrong, and that is the point I tried to make with my analogy to 9/11 and WWI and WWII. Not every aspect of every psyop is a hoax. Some things actually DO happen in reality. Buildings are destroyed. People die fighting wars. Those events are manufactured and orchestrated very carefully. That’s doesn’t mean every aspect of them is fake.
Why do I think that there is an element of truth/reality behind this psyop? It’s hard to say, really. It’s just a conclusion I reached after sifting through a lot of evidence. Maybe it’s because it’s hitting close to home.
As I said, I don’t care if I failed your test. I don’t know you, and if I’m being completely honest, I don’t really care what you think. I am fairly certain I will be vindicated. But I truly hope not.
And don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that this virus is as nasty as they say it is and that all the extreme measures they are taking are appropriate. I think it is going to crash the economy severely and cause years of economic distress, among many other things. I am much more concerned about repercussions and the response they have waiting in the pipeline (which I expect is going to be something major) than I am about the disease itself. However, I refuse to feel fear, because I refuse to let them have that power over me.
And as for the elite: they have luxury bunkers they can go to and ride it out. They don’t need to worry about catching it. They may also know how to cure it if needed.
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Cory W. said:
Yep, BB this is my litmus test going forward.
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Raymond D. said:
@Josh
It is possible your Dad is being misdirected with a piece of theatrics. Perhaps those victims are suffering from the normal flu which is being reported as covid19.
If the Phoenician Navy were really going to infect huge swathes of the world’s population then they would do it through the water supply systems, not some uncontrollable air-borne/touch-spread disease. They need to know what not to drink or touch and where not to go.
Anyway, whether tis fabricated or manufactured this is still a planned-demic. Gad save us from the hysteria and I hope you are dead wrong. Cards on the table: I’m guessing you are wrong on this one, given precedent and logic.
Those buildings on 9/11 were demolished but the lie was that terrorists in planes brought ’em down. The lie with this psyop is that a virus is rapidly spreading and killing many people. The Phoenician Navy can say anything they want and setup any event they need to push this narrative.
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Josh said:
Raymond, I’ll agree to disagree. I believe we will have our answer in the next few weeks. But meantime a question for you: if like 9/11 there is a truth and lie, and you stated the lie with this psyop is that a virus is rapidly spreading and killing many people, then what part of it is true? Or does the analogy with 9/11 not hold and there is nothing true here.
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Josh said:
And let me add: I could imagine a scenario where it might be possible that my dad and other doctors in the US are currently being fooled. That assumes what we saw in China and are seeing in Italy is fabricated. But if the hospitals in the US become inundated with cases and lots of people end up in the ICU on ventilators, then no, I don’t believe it’s possible for that to happen based on theatrics. You can’t get dozens of people to fool doctors to put them on life support. And that will also mean it isn’t the flu, because that doesn’t happen with the regular flu.
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Mantalo said:
you completely underestimate the power of the anxiety attack …
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Raymond D. said:
@Josh
Perhaps many doctors are part of the lie, lying to their more honest colleagues. You might then fall back on the hoary response that “it is impossible to get so many people to keep such a conspiracy a secret”. To be frank, I’d have to be given a tour of those wards with all these patients on ventilators to be convinced; and even then medical staff in on the scam could be sticking genuine flu sufferers on the life support.
Besides, I thought the tests had to be sent to centres outside the hospitals? Perhaps doctors and nurses are being told that such and such have the virus and must be quarantined. You said yourself that this has been long in the planning, so why not use that time to prepare complicit medical staff and crisis-actors?
Unleashing such an uncontrollable disease surely risks infecting members of the Phoenician Navy aswell? Surely they would use the water-supply for such nefarious deeds — you’d be able to infect specific regions
It is about identifying what is the lie and what is actually happening. In this case, the government restraints and public-panic are very real; it is the virus narrative that is the lie. Whereas with Orson Welle’s infamous War of the World’s broadcast (the truth) it was the crazed reaction by the public that was a total fabrication by the press. In the case of current event, the virus is the lie being used to create a real public panic.
I hope you are wrong. If there is a real infection being deliberately spread then it is certainly not this air-bourne/touch-spreading nonsense.
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They Live said:
And the virus known as the Fed furthers the pillage from the Treasury today by $1.5 trillion
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/12/investing/ny-fed-trillion-coronavirus/index.html
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rolleikin said:
I just went to the local grocery store here in Los Angeles and the place was mobbed. I’ve never seen it like that. Shelves were emptying and people were piling their carts high with groceries. Some were pushing two carts. All checkout lines were open and the lines were about 20 deep. And, it’s raining heavily too. Usually stores here when it rains.
I thought maybe WWIII had been declared or something. I just bought a few things and went home and checked the MSM sites but I don’t see anything all that different from the last week or so.
Disneyland closed due to the big bad germs. Maybe that’s it. 🙂
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rolleikin said:
“Usually stores here have fewer shoppers when it rains.”
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Michael Deloatch said:
I make a motion to the chair of this site that the 3 topics of spookery, health matters, and current events have reached a point of full convergence so the website might as well blend those 3 threads of commenting into a single unity.
While we are on the topic, just what measures is Cutting Through the Fog taking to protect us its valued clients vis a vis the COVIC? I had about 33 emails today from all sorts of concerns, but looked in vain for a comforting notification from Josh… Even a dental practice I haven’t used in half a decade assured me that they got my back, hooray!
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Michael Deloatch said:
Sorry – I meant COVID, not COVIC!!!
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Josh said:
Well, Michael, I was waiting to make the announcement after I finished, but as a public service I have been thoroughly wiping every word written on the site with Lysol brand Clorox wipes. And dousing them in Purell. I understand that the virus can be spread by contact with the eyes, so I wouldn’t want any to pass from the blog to your eyeballs. I am about 3/4 of the way done. I started with more recent posts and working my way back to older posts. I made sure to do the entire Health Matters post so that is safe. Though as you point out, all the threads have kind of blended into one, including the Ancient Spooks post. Oh well. If people want they can subscribe to updates from each thread, so it will be easier to keep track.
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Patrick said:
You were right to take such strong measures, Josh – this virus is so fearsomely powerful that some of the richest folks in New York have been deemed to be in need of the services of the National Guard.
“[…]New Rochelle became an epicenter for COVID-19 in New York during the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak, with Governor Andrew Cuomo ordering components of the New York Air National Guard and New York Army National Guard to a containment area in the suburb of a one mile radius around the New Israel synagogue to halt the spread of the virus.[…]”
Wiki calls it New Israel but news reports call it Young Israel while it seems to call itself Young Israel New Rochelle Synagogue. Details, details.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/06/rabbi-at-new-rochelle-coronavirus-synagogue-has-tested-positive/
https://www.yinr.org/
Anyway, this rabbi at that synagogue tested positive for CV so oh-my-god call the troops. The zip of the synagogue is 10804. Pricey digs. “[…]Some of the country’s most expensive real estate can be found in New Rochelle. The north end of the city (10804) is ranked in Forbes magazine’s list of the ‘500 most expensive zip-codes’ in the country.[29] According to the list, the average household income was $199,061 and the average home price was over $752,000.[…]”
“[…]Some 33 families established the community of la Nouvelle-Rochelle in 1688.[…]”
Of course there were 33 families in ’88. How could it be otherwise?
If you want safety, you want New Rochelle. “[…]New Rochelle is the safest city of its size in New York State and the fifth-safest city of its size in the United States.[…]” The Chamber of Commerce can now boast that Here In New Rochelle We’ll Even Keep You Safe From A Common Cold.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rochelle,_New_York
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Vick said:
Wanna know the rest? BUYTHE RIGHTS! How bizarre?
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John C. said:
At this point, until I see with my own eyes the Stanleys and related others infected and dying, I’ll take what’s behind door number three Monty.
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carol said:
Interesting that the Cheltenham Gold Cup , that annual meeting of the rich, royal and famous has NOT been cancelled.
Nothing more to be said. The really interesting thing though is , nobody but nobody in the media is asking the question why .
Pandemic? Pull the other one.
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Benjamin said:
Aussie politician Peter Dutton “got it”. He’d been with the prime minister just days before, but the PM was very quickly ‘cleared by medical officials’. It is obviously not meant for him.
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Patrick said:
Pretty sure that you don’t get to be in the media if you start asking questions.
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theordinaryguy said:
https://www.lawfirms.com/resources/environment/environment-health/cdc-members-own-more-50-patents-connected-vaccinations
“CDC Members Own More Than 50 Patents Connected to Vaccinations”
This isn’t even a truth site. Just a regular website to find a lawyer. This law firm seems to have written an article about the CDC and their obvious conflict of interest. The CDC will make a boatload once they approve the vaccine for coronavirus.
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Dennis Heretz said:
@Roelf_zelf Agree, the internet will be affected. My company got sent home today to work online for two weeks. If most companies do the same, which is to be expected, plus all universities now moving online, will the internet be able to handle all the extra traffic of people doing their video conferences? At best everything will get extremely sluggish.
But I could also imagine them deciding for the sake of business continuity that “non-essential” traffic be curtailed on the internet, and this could include people talking on forums or accessing any site they want to turn off.
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John James said:
Corona Virus, Corona Virus Disease 19, Covid-19. CV, CV-19.
China Virus ’19. Coincidence Virus ’19. Corporate Virus ’19. Curriculum Vitae ’19? All of these C words tie in to the narrative around it, the last being a display of their mass psychology methodology.
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John James said:
You could also call it the Control Virus, or China Vaccination, as it will lead to greater vaccination rate than the previous 3% there.
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Benjamin said:
Corona means crown. Crown Virus. Crown of course referring to royalty and power, but also where they are targeting, as crown means your head. Psychological virus.
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John James said:
That’s right. It’s a military psychological operation.
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rolleikin said:
“National emergency” now, says Trumpy Bear.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Anything that has shut down the public schools statewide where I live can’t be all bad…
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Cory W. said:
What does this mean now? I predict as they ramp this up to phase 2 or 3 of their preplanned “pandemic” they will soon have the masses begging for a medical Marshal Law.
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tony martin said:
The current situation is a hypochondriacs worst nightmare.
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Vick said:
Thank you so much! All the comments above are very well written, interesting and enjoyable to read. I would click the “like” button on all the postings I have enjoyed reading but to do that I would first have to create and sign into accounts I don’t have and don’t want. FEELINGS ON THIS THING I feel like I am in a bit player in somebody else’s movie and they didn’t give me or anyone else I know the script. What’s gonna happen next??? It’s anybody’s guess beyond the obvious that inflation is going to jump and food prices are going to rise in the very near future. Mike Adams has a video specifically dedicated to scaring the bejeezus out of Californians and I don’t recommend you watch it even if you don’t live in California. Miles Mathis considers Mike Adams someone -not-entirely-without-political-bias-that-adversely-affects-his-conjecturing, to put it nicely. That concept of Miles Mathis helped take a little of the sting out of Mike Adams many dire and dark predictions for me.
TrutherGirls Sonia (of YouTube) also had some constructive criticism of Mike Adams and his wildly high pandemic fatality predictions. I do like Mike Adams in general but I do also hope she and not he is right! Mike Adams believes the COVID-19 death stats are being unnaturally suppressed but I don’t see anything to support that idea besides the dire footage and claims of crematoriums burning up from over use that are coming out of China. Is it fake or is it real? Is the celebrity Face of the pandemic, the ever so personable “Hanx” secretly doomed or just playing roles to confuse and downplay reality? I don’t know. I suspect the Hanx are not doomed and neither are we. Also, I don’t believe there is much of anything you can’t buy on the internet right now if you don’t want to deal with stressful mobs at stores. Perhaps that was one of the many goals. To get people buying more crap on the internet. Well anyway, I do hope you Truthers and especially Miles Mathis, are taking good care of yourselves and are not wanting for anything! It is a good time to practice fasting and living more simply and getting sunshine if possible. Best Wishes to everyone.
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Chris Ryska said:
There aren’t any cases of C-19 in Santa Barbara {there’s a guy that thinks he has it but was turned away from the ER and told to just go home} and, there aren’t any test kits in Santa Barbara. But when they do get the test kits, they will be designated for those deemed, “most at risk”. Yeah right! Obviously, they know that S.B. is not supposed to be a targeted city.
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rolleikin said:
There’s a Bob Dylan biopic in the works. They usually do that after someone dies. So, maybe they’re planning to kill off Bob with this virus thing.
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Graham said:
Who knows, the answer is definitely blowing in the wind.
He must be knocking on heavens door by now..
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rolleikin said:
Well after all he’s only a pawn in their game and he’s had one too many mornings anyway so when the ship comes in he’ll probably bid a restless farewell to all the masters of war and hitch a ride with Mr Tambourine Man.
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tony martin said:
I can’t help but think that one of the reasons for this whole thing is that they are testing to see how much they could control people like puppets. And sadly it looks like it’s working better than they expected.
The second thing is they are trying to make people afraid of other people and isolate everyone from everyone else?
“ I’m sorry I can’t have sex with you until you get tested baby”
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Wayne G. said:
Does anyone here actually know of anyone who has officially contracted this virus? Serious question. BTW, in 2018, the latest “official” docs on influenza, 50,000 people died in the US, related to the disease. Remember those stats being bandied about? No? Me neither.
What’s the end game here? Seeing as there will be no March Madness gaming pools happening this year, I propose we embark on a pool of what the actual end game is. Insurance scam? Money grab? Economic collapse? Marshall Law? Add some more and we’ll build a spreadsheet.
Twenty bucks a square, full payout to the winner, unless it’s Tony Martin, he gets paid in vodka. Who’s in?
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tony martin said:
It’s hard to predict the mind of these sadistic psychopaths.
And forget food and toilet paper….. I’m stocking up on vodka.😎
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Wayne G. said:
Ahhh, toilet paper hoarding. Always a massive need for an upper respiratory ailment. Here let me help you shove that TP into your lungs. I traded my TP supply for a Ferrari. Also opted for the lesser Corolla version of the virus. Cheaper and more easily managed.
Knew you would stock up on the vodka. Moving copious quantities from here down your way. I already cleared Cape Cod of all Crown Royal, except Peach. Who wants peach sipping whiskey?
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Vick said:
They are calling it a “Quaran-tini” right on mainstream news — Vodka plus Emergen-C powdered vitamin supplement. I’m surprised at the plentiful amounts of all kinds of alcohol (except Corona beer) still to be had everywhere here in San Francisco.
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Wayne G. said:
Yeah, Corona Beer is probably taking a hit. Damn shame, that’s a semi-decent substitute when local craft brews aren’t about. Here on Cape Cod the bars are still bustling—socially distancing be damned. But then again, with winter still blowing a gale here, there really isn’t anything else to do!! Cheers, skol, bottoms up.
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Josh said:
Here they moved schools from fourth grade and up plus universities to “distance learning.” Now they just announced they’re closing lower grade plus preschool and daycare. Also all bars, cafes, restaurants and places of entertainment. They are also limiting public gatherings to 10 people max and asking workplaces to allow people to work from home etc. But at least they’ve assured us there will be no food or toilet paper shortage! I’m not going to hold my breath.
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Josh said:
And by the way, I expect something similar is going to happen where everyone lives. I recommend stocking up a bit on food. Even just rice and beans just in case. As we saw they’ve been planning this quarantine for awhile.
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Wayne G. said:
Josh, what are your numbers there? Do you actually know of a single person who is, using the term loosely, sick? Closed bars, cafes and restaurants? No entertainment? How the heck do they get away with that crap? Freaking divorce, addiction and suicide rates are gonna climb to new heights. Time for people to stand up. I’m going bar hopping tonight. No one is gonna tell me otherwise.
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Josh said:
There are almost 200 “confirmed” cases with tensb of thousands of people in home quarantine. The government gave itself permission to track the movement of people diagnosed with Coronavirus using their cell phones. Apparently nobody is willing to leave their homes with their phone…
I don’t know anybody who has it or anybody who knows someone who has it.
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Joki said:
The answer to your first question is “No.” I don’t know anyone who’s said to have actually contracted the virus. I know many people who’ve been told they were potentially exposed to someone who had it, but zero confirmed cases among those I personally know.
Your second question addressed average deaths from influenza/pneumonia-like illnesses, which number around 50-some-thousand each year going back at least a decade. No one that I’ve seen has mentioned this fact, nor brought it up as a comparison. To be fair, I don’t watch the news except where a friend specifically asks me to view something. I do read a lot of articles, though, and I’ve not encountered anyone attempting to meaningfully compare the current “outbreak” to the “normal” influenza we deal with every year.
People are now cut off from sports to a significant degree. Seeing as I know people for whom basketball or hockey season is practically their raison d’etre (sp.?) this is going to drive all of them to look for another avenue to release that pent up energy. All that’s left is… television. And the internet.
Fair enough. Maybe many or most of them were already glued to the internet to begin with, and they’ll simply shift their attention to another area of interest to make up for the lack of live, current events to watch. Ditto for those cut off from things like outdoor entertainment in the form of concerts, plays, etc. They’ll watch old concerts on youtube instead.
There is so much money currently being made and so much lost that it’s difficult to know where to begin speculating on “the end game”. Certainly everyone in the bio-medical industry stands to make a ton of money. Is that a fair statement? Those who create and supply testing equipment, in particular, are going to make bank. So will the “health care providers” known otherwise as insurance companies, especially when the gov’t begins to “reimburse” them for at least a portion of their financial outlay during this period.
Walmart, Target, etc. appear poised to make bank, as well. Their respective CEOs and representatives were paraded past the mic the other day to say how happy they were to help in these dire times. Walmart is offering up its parking lots for use as testing stations, and where do you think all the people encouraged to go to those stations are going to shop? If you guessed “at the Walmart across the parking lot”, congratulations, you’re not a total idiot. Ditto Target, Walgreens and so on.
The airlines will get their bailout. So will Wall St and the banks. And no doubt others, as well.
There’s money being lost in the form of wages as more and more people are sent home, but how much? Many will be reimbursed through federal or state funds, where they don’t already have paid leave. In other words, they’ll get their bailouts just like the airlines. Where does the bailout money come from? You, and me, and every other citizen of the country who pays any form of taxation.
At the end of the day it won’t matter who gets paid or how much, because all of it will serve to put us further in debt to central bankers. There will be some losses and some gains, on individual and company levels, but the bankers can only gain with every dollar spent, no matter who spends it.
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Wayne G. said:
Same old, same old. The plots are thin and very transparent. The same old miserable cast of characters and the Hollywood ending is always the same—bogus. How many times have we read these old tired “his stories?” Every efing day, no?
This one is different. Sure the casts are the same and the money grab is as always but what is happening here (US) is laughable. Yes, I’m pissed that Lord Stanley’s Cup (cast of characters again) might not be skated this year, but know what? I’ll survive. But the lunacy playing out around me is positive insanity. Had to have some stitches removed on Thursday. Everyone at the doctor’s office was talking about the “shut down.” I calmly exclaimed, “kind foolish to shut down the country over a fake virus, no?” Should have seen the looks on people’s faces. That precious moment when their brains actually kicked in to question the possibility. Priceless. Even my doctor admitted it was a possibility, though without testing we don’t really know. Asked why no testing was being done? No answer. These people need better peyote.
Don’t disagree with your oracle and thought process but this one seems different and watching play out is hysterical. Glad the stitches are out cause they only hurt every time I laughed…which has been a lot between screaming “stop watching the news and turn off the damn TV” and laughing my butt off. It’s fun to screw with minds that haven’t been awake for centuries…. Shakin’ the cobwebs out. Hmmm, sounds like a good country and western song.
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Ramsay said:
The older, wiser folks just ain’t what they used to be, ain’t what he used to be, ain’t what they used to be..
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Vick said:
What’s the end game here? Why limit it to just ONE thing? And how can you PROVE any of it when all is said and done? My money is on “them” killing at LEAST six birds with one stone as usual. AT the very least SIX.
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Wayne G. said:
That’s my pool concept. How many different “ends” are there to this one newly minted mind screwing (trying to keep it clean!!). In the end we discover who comes the closest to picking the winner and that person walks off with a massive take of gold (toilet paper). The real money goes to Miles to get him out of his altitude issue and moved some place where he has internet and specially brewed lead paint, so EMFs won’t hurt him!! Pony up your “endings!”
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BB said:
My friend just got tested today. He’ll know in 8-24 hours.
He said it costs $115 without insurance, too. So you get billed just to know if you have this fake virus.
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Cory W. said:
Well the buzzwords I keep hearing and seeing now are “social distancing” and “low contact”
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carol said:
There’s definitely a big scam going on but why?
It’s getting beyond ridiculous.
I’m beginning to think that ”The families ( 12 of them? ) ” are undergoing a power struggle . Maybe Globalism versus Nationalism. It won’t really matter which one comes out of it all as the victor …………………..we, the ”little people ” will still be collateral damage . We don’t, never have and never will matter to them.
As for the CV I’m just completely ignoring it until it goes away as it will eventually when the propaganda has done its job.
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tony martin said:
Well…. they’re definitely cashing in on all the science fiction movies about germs destroying the earth that they’ve been sponsoring and putting out since the beginning of movies.
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rolleikin said:
I predict the Easter Bunny will come down with it and all Easter egg hunts will be canceled.
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Wayne G. said:
My money’s on this outcome!!!
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John C. said:
Is there another species on this planet that does these sadistic mind f**king things to its own kind? Could this be a test to see which families are on board? Or could this be a diversionary tactic from something much larger taking place while the sheep are in their homes with their hoarded tp?
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haggisnneeps said:
Pedo Prince Andrew perhaps? Prince…Corona..crown…
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Sir Blumenbach said:
Prince Philip once said that he would “reincarnate as a deadly virus”, and now there’s a supposed virus sweeping the world called the “crown virus”.
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Raymond D. said:
Glad to see lots of posters asking what this one is all about. It is aggravating to see everyone around me simply accept what they are being told and being told to do. However it is equally frustrating trying to figure out what the hell the Phoenician Navy wants this new global mind-job. Others here have pointed out that aside from the usual treasury-theft and fear-mongering, this one is quite specific and long heralded (e.g. all those zombie and infection movies).
Mandatory vaccinations?
Splitting the sexes ever further apart what with “social distancing” and (maybe) more men than women being sceptical about the virus?
Forcing other changes in social behaviour such as ending cinema-going and getting the sheople to stream in their homes more often?
Ramping up mass migration to Europe and the West?
What legal, financial and cultural changes will be place by the time this faux-crisis is resolved? Will it ever end?
In terms of length of time, here in the North of Ireland we are being told that the school closures might last for 4 months. Is this mind-job going to be unlimited, like the never-ending War on Terror, War on Carbon and War on Drugs? Never-mind the nuke fear-porn that is now over 70 years old. I have that sinking feeling that this is a step change of some nasty sort.
Is if proof that the Phoenies are aware of Charge and are preparing for the new solar maximum by preparing to drain us of renewed energy via fear?
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tony martin said:
These guys remind me of the evil cowboy that makes somebody dance by shooting bullets at his feet and laughing.
It’s amazing how nicely humanity dances.
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Greg said:
In the meantime your local strip bar is open going strong. Dollars in mouths and in between boobies. Make sure you’re the first dude otherwise you will get 2nd hand slobber on those tee taz cuz the girls don’t wash off their chest when they on the stage. They close schools and stores but not titty bars….insane!
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Graham said:
You still got titty bars?
The feminazis had them all closed down round these parts years ago.
But you can still go to shows where blokes with cocks and tits perform dressed as women if you like, apparently that is culturally acceptable.
You better be careful where you stuff your dollar bills, just in case…
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rolleikin said:
It was all a plan to sell toilet paper laced with flu vaccine.
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tony martin said:
Somebody’s making money but it ain’t me.
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Wayne G. said:
LMAO!! Let me guess, you’re in PR and/or product development?!!
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Laurie said:
Speaking of flu vaccine, my nutritional professional has been treating people for at least 10 years and has stated there used to be a “flu season” in the past, but since flu vaccines have been amped up the last few years, there is no longer “a season.” A full 12 months “season” is the norm now. Stating the obvious here, the vaccine most likely the villain.
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John James said:
They’re also being sprayed into the atmosphere daily:
“Every day, more than 800 million viruses are deposited per square metre above the planetary boundary layer—that’s 25 viruses for each person in Canada,” University of British Columbia virologist Curtis Suttle explains. “Roughly 20 years ago we began finding genetically similar viruses occurring in very different environments around the globe. This preponderance of long-residence viruses traveling the atmosphere likely explains why — it’s quite conceivable to have a virus swept up into the atmosphere on one continent and deposited on another.”
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haggisnneeps said:
Bear in mind the much suppressed article from about 4 years ago when it was discovered they have been using egg albumen to store the vaccines and various other things in. Then they discovered their vaccines were actually mutating in the albumen into other forms of flu.
Brilliant. So they have actually not been immunizing anyone against anything – they have just been distributing new variants of flu for the last 70 years or so. Meh…sorry!
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Maria said:
I wonder too how long they will drag this one out. As someeone stated above, they are certainly going all in on this one. I’ve already blocked my local district and the health authorities from sending me annoying corona propaganda messages. Where I come from, most people have cabins or a holiday home in the wild outdoors and understandably, since they have now been told to work from home or just put on leave and been scared about catching a dangerous virus, they’ve left to stay in their cabins. This, the authorities don’t want them to do as they might enjoy themselves and go skiing instead of being glued to the sickening fear-porn on they have on TV. So the prime minister has now threatened those in their cabins with sending out troops from the civil defence to get them to go back. There is a large component of this that go under the heading of psychological warfare. They don’t announce all restrictions in one go, instead they save one for each day to make sure adrenaline levels stay high. Today they also closed all the borders and they have asked people not to travel domestically unless it is necessary. Money is already being printed by the central bank to keep the banks afloat (this is the business plan of these banks – to be injected with money by the central bank and state under the guise of some crisis) and they’ve reduced the bank’s capital requirement from 2.5 to 1 percent, all the while imploring the banks not to take out higher profits due to the reduced capital requirement…yeah as if that will work. I just checked the news for the latest insanity, and now they report that peope in Spain are forbidden to leave their homes. Who in the world is going to enforce that?
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Wayne G. said:
Gawd!! Where do you live? What you’re saying is outrageous. Hopefully those who have cabins also have a healthy arsenal of weapons, plenty of ammunition and perhaps a small cache of plastic explosives (obviously I’m American!). Seriously, they’re actually forcing the cabin dwellers back home? That’s a declaration of war, in my book.
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alan mass said:
I have been vocal on this since the beginning of this medical farce in February, calling up authorities and writing on sm and got nothing but more contempt.
The virus is obviously an artificial Frankenstein monster that kills no more than the one in the Shelley’s novel did, yet, the quarantines are VERY real.
Schools in my town are closed, so are cinemas, universities. Trucks armed with screaming bullhorns were last week telling people to keep a ‘safe distance’ (1 mt one from another..imagine that… have they ever sneezed?.. ridiculous.. the radious of the vapor ejected and saliva would be of several meters, not one), to wear masks (the nidoviron is 125 nm sized and the masks can only capture 10-20 micron up if u r lucky… u do the math..so they protect u only from spit and blood directly shot at your mouth) and gloves. You see, they forget to explain that anyone doing a reasonable rational decontamination should have pitched a tent outside their home, and wear a minimum of 3 sterile disposable gloves every time they go out, to be then removed in succession and burned before reentering their safe zone (their home). And what about the items (food, plastic bags.. yes, the nidoviron, they tell us, is said to survive on inorganic surfaces such as plastic and metal as well…ph and t don’t matter anymore? ..imagine that!) you buy at the supermarket which you then bring unsanitazed in the safe zone? What about your shoes? No cover for them? Are people told to leave them outside their homes?
What about wearing glasses to protect your other point of entry?
‘..Neey! forget the eyes. Just do what I tell you’. Right.
Hospitals are said to be avoided because ‘filled’ with patients. Yet I have been to 5 hospitals in my region in March, luckily avoiding the few cops enforcing the unofficial, unsigned ban to travel that everyone says exists (yet I read all that came out the ministry, from Feb 22nd to Mar 8th and 11th and nothing states so in writing..), apparently one couldn’t now leave the house without a ‘prescribed cause’ sort of speak, and saw ’empty’ decontamination tents, and nothing more than mass hysteria, psychosomatic reactions due to fear with the usual herd of ‘sick’.
Yet, illegal immigrants keep on coming in from exotic lands, unchecked, without ids and visas. Imagine that. What a quarantine. If the epidemic were real (which isn’t the case) the countermeasures taken would be a joke.
I ask you all why not a single professional in the field of medicine, virology, immunology or pathology has come out asking for a ‘photo’ of the ‘wanted killer’ now said to be on the loose. Not a single one has pointed to the simple truth I have above highlighted to you. Not even those who studied with me and are now running the center for epidemic disease at the general hospital in town or their family pharmacies (business as usual there.. nothing to see).
Yet, they appear on tv and all they do is pushing the official script prepared years ago for this play now running in the theater.
They are actors, not doctors, not even wannabe scientists.
Incidentally, I have checked yesterday the city hall website here in town where I am now and they published an executive order on 19.03 (http://www.comune.pescara.it/internet/index.php?codice=147&idnews=8378&navBackPage=148), that prohibits citizens from exiting their houses without papers. That was in response to people like myself who were quite vocal in pointing out to the fact that the ‘house arrests’, check points, and previous stops of people jogging by the police where actually not substantiated by a law but very much unofficial and unlawful. Now they have all the so called ‘right’ to do their ‘job’. Cits are now only allowed 400mt to take their dog for 1 daily walk, 1000mt to buy food. No kidding, it is law and will be enforced.
As I called the mayor’s office his rep told me ‘we hope this will last 10 days max’.. I told him quarantines can go up to 18 months and he had nothing to say except that he ‘hoped’ less, I also asked for all sources, scientific and non, that gave them any ground to the issuing of the order, I wanted to know whom to hold responsible for imposing such restrictions and the guy, kindly, told me to go through the bureaucratic channels (he knows it would take 30 days minimum and that given they’ll actually take my request into any consideration). So we have a ‘coprifuoco’ Stalin style, yet we still run financial offices and agencies in town. Hardly a first necessity and obviously non in line with the logic of a presumed deadly epidemic. I also called my family doctor and he literally exploded on me when I asked to support my request for the so called exemption (a paper that, given a recognized reason, lets u bypass the restrictions). As he knows I need to run a few miles every day, jogging is now forbidden and illegal(!), as per a condition I have and that he is treating me for, I can only consider his professionalism now not up to my standards anymore. The dude, a young doctor that should know better since he is fresh out of med school (I should know much less having attended 20 years ago) erupted in screams on the phone bubbling about stress, his family safety and whatever. Imagine that.
All I asked was what was factually tested with the nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs which he claimed they were target made for the isolation of the COVID-19.
I asked him if he had seen or studied the test. I told him about Genesig, a UK lab and firm, and their new (yeah, right..it looks to me like the Gallo test 2.0) rt-PCR were targeting not COVID-19 but SARS-COV-2 which it is ‘assumed’ now to ‘create’ the COVID-19 (https://www.uncmedicalcenter.org/mclendon-clinical-laboratories/available-tests/covid-19-pcr/). Create? So why don’t they extract COVID-19 instead? Also, foreseeing a possible lawsuit, also state on their web site and publication (which I have in pdf) that even testing negative for Sars-cov2 in the sample they do not exclude the possibility of COVID-19 to be present and positive. What??? They just chop their legs off with that. (https://www.fulgentgenetics.com/COVID19) So after having told him that, instead of maintaining calm and lucidity, my dear doctor does exactly what a street thug would do and what those who are doing all of this are expecting and counting on from the herd.
Stress and fear cause immunodeficiency being the main generators of adrenalin, noradrenaline and cortisol in the system which suppress normal immunoresponse.
That’s the situation now in Italy. Now that’s the real contagion.
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derringham said:
Not that I place any trust in the numbers put out, but it’s interesting to note the Italian death rate % of cases is 7% compared against the 3% given for China. Are they after whitey or do they just pull these numbers out of their arses?
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Wayne G. said:
The higher rate in Italy may be from an aging population to some extent. Italy has a major elderly population. 50,000 die yearly in the states and have been for at least a decade, again most elderly or those with weakened immune systems. But in truth when it comes to “their” numbers, the arses and pulling out of, usually win.
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lewis reid said:
I saw the figure 633 for deaths in Italy on RT midweek, strangely enough the film ‘633 Squadron’ was on a few days afore.
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Ollie said:
China has a population of 1.3 billion and the virus went unchecked for weeks between first rumored reported cases and the official response. In every other country infections spread rapidly and break out in every random corner but in China it was supposedly confined to one heavily affected province. Now they had less than 100k infections with new daily infections down to one digit levels. That is a national infection level of less than 0.01%. European states and US expect infection levels of 50% to 70%.
People handwave this discrepancy with “China is authoritarian and shut down the entire country”. But these small numbers are bullshit either way if this is supposed to be one consistent story. Of course nobody in the MSM or from a government has pointed out this inconsistency and the implausibility of the numbers.
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rolleikin said:
These signs are up on our freeways here in California statewide:
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Patrick said:
Here’s the graphic you’ll see shouting at you from CNN throughout the day, no matter what the program:
Push that fear, baby. The news crawler is telling me Walmart is closing it’s US stores nightly from 11pm – 6am for cleaning and restocking. How many stores? 4700. Like magic!
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Ramsay said:
Rationing is now rational.
Online schooling now main-steam, with unlimited profits.
Movement-control and monitoring is needed now.
4: America more black-washed as inventor of virus’ and false herald of the world airwaves. Babylons destruction will be celebrated ever more joyfully.
That’s the start of a list of benefits to the man behind the curtain, and his bankster apostles, and his multiplied minions know to me as the ‘Synagoge of Satan’. Truth has indeed been thrown to the ground, and he is indeed stomping on the residue.
We, are the residue.
They, are Yah’s hammer of the whole earth.
Just my opinion. And, I also believe, the opinion of the King.
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tony martin said:
And the Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.”
Ezekiel 9:4 (NKJV)
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Enki said:
I looked again for studies that clearly explain how viruses get into cells, get rid of being digested and how they reprogram the cell to produce copies of them. I have not found. As usual, I found all kinds of stories dressed up in “scientific” language.
About coronavirus Wikipedia even admits this:
“So far, it is unclear whether the virus gets into the host cell by fusion of viral and cell membrane or by receptor mediated endocytosis in which the virus is in-corporated via an endosome, which is subsequently acidified by proton pumps. In that case, the virus has to escape destruction and transport to the lysosome.” How does the virus escape destruction? From their stories the viruses are kind of Bruce Lee plus Chuck Norris plus Bruce Willis, all in one.
But on the other hand they tell us that “Viral genetic material is relatively small, encoding only a few proteins.”
. How do few proteins manage to hijack a cell that is much, much larger and that is very efficient at recycling and digesting organic matter (endocytosis)?
One of the most detailed stories is narrated by Fredric S. Cohen !!!. See here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4788752/
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Enki said:
For those who want to go into details, you can find a comprehensive analysis here: http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf
Another detailed analysis, for SARS (also said to be caused by coronavirus): http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/SARS.pdf
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carol said:
I read them a few days ago. Great link Enki.
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Graham said:
You’v struck gold there Enki, thanks for sharing
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Jim said:
This forum is a breath of fresh air, to be sure. Many thanks to Josh for hosting, as well as for his great research. I like to think of myself as one whose happiness does not depend on what others think… but it does get tiring, doesn’t it? Surrounded all day by the walking dazed. To be fair, some of my co-workers are a little more open-minded than the general population. So I can at least register some progress getting the message across.
I have been looking for something like this David Crowe research, so as with the others, thank you for the links Enki.
Mile’s recent ‘American Moon’ paper http://mileswmathis.com/ammoon.pdf has quite a bit of info we can use to apply to the coronavirus project. He has noted before, as others have here, how these cons target the treasuries. The full extent of that is brought home with the fake moon landing project where $150 billion+ of taxpayer cash simply evaporated… as it is with every project for which taxpayer funds are appropriated. I think the assumption that the vast majority of the cash is pocketed can be re-tooled to lay odds that the virus doesn’t exist, people are not killed by mass murderers, etc. etc. The Phoenician Navy are, first and foremost, businessmen. They are going to run these projects at all times so that the most profit ends up in their offshore accounts. As such, they are going to focus on minimizing outlays to project infrastructure. Think about it… would it be more profitable for them to 1) pay for the development, dispersal, resulting lawsuits from a new virus or 2) just tell people they got one?
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carol said:
It’s being reported in today’s daily propaganda that over 70’s might not be allowed out. ???
Try enforcing that one!!
My mom’s 78 but looks ten years younger. Will they have to carry their driving licences / passports with them as proof of eligibility to go shopping?
What IS the plan behind this ridiculous farce ?
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Graham said:
To force all over 70s into the care system, for which they will be charged, and probably poisoned. As with dementia.
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Rascasse said:
Seems as 400 could be a code number for insiders in this massive Corona mayhem shake down and mop up from wanking stock markets and real estate.
Examples:
First out the now famous 40 year since Wuhan-400 in Dean Koontz book “The Eyes of Darkness” https://cy4ad5.c2.acecdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/894609-novel-book.jpg.
“Over 400 Companies Have Warned Of The Impact Coronavirus Could Have On First Quarter Earnings” https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/02/07/over-400-companies-have-warned-of-the-impact-coronavirus-could-have-on-first-quarter-earnings/#36faa86e2bb8
“Sales of the company’s hand sanitizers and disinfectants are up 400%” https://www.forbes.com/sites/joanverdon/2020/03/10/small-brands-seeing-rewards-and-risks-of-coronavirus-related-demand-surge/#267a59d0699d
Now Bats in China takes the blame!
“We found evidence for, in total, from all the sampling we did in China, about 400 new strains of coronaviruses.” https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/20/807742861/new-research-bats-harbor-hundreds-of-coronaviruses-and-spillovers-arent-rare?t=1584269292488
Coincidence? What does 400 stand for? Any knowledge out there?
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Amyus said:
First out the now famous 40 year since Wuhan-400 in Dean Koontz book “The Eyes of Darkness” https://cy4ad5.c2.acecdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/894609-novel-book.jpg.
Wouldn’t you know it; I recently threw out my old copy of that book. Mine was a 1981 edition and, if I remember correctly (I didn’t check before I threw it out), the virus was supposed to have been created in Russia and it was named Gorki – well, this was the early ’80s so the paranoia at the time was Russia=Bad. Maybe the 1989 edition simply ‘moved with the times’ so to speak. Predictive programming?
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cross said:
2020
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Vick said:
Mainstream merry mouthpiece Neil deGrasse Tyson says it’s all “a test” and if we just do as we are told and “accept science” it may just “blow away” (like Dust in the Wind?”) This video (allegedly) has over 3 million hits so the message would seem to be one they want us to hear. +++ Also some blogger says 20,000 troops have been sent to Europe for “military exercises” (but I can’t confirm).
I wouldn’t be surprised if it were all over tomorrow with a vaccine held high and offered to all as the magnificent solution for all (and those who refuse are bad) and preppers got mocked by MSM and Hollywood for weeks after as being stupid and unscientific and hurting the economy etc. I say that because twice now I’ve randomly chatted with grocery store workers who are just totally baffled by people buying so much food and toilet paper. In conclusion a few ideas/agendas being promoted with his “pandemonium” include: Preppers Bad. Hollywood “Science” Good. Vaccines Absolutely Fabulous and Life Saving. Anti-Vaxers Dangerous to All. People who like to Congregate without Cellphones and Laptops and/or go to church instead of playing stupid online Video Games — Not Good. Hollywood Celebs Adorable and Worthy of Blind Worship? But of COURSE!
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Raymond D. said:
The UK’s Guardian newspaper — a top-teir Phoeny rag — is apparently reporting that companies and their workers will probably embrace virtual working aka staying at home hunched over your laptop. I say apparently because I got this information second hand.
So I’m going to make a prediction regarding at least one of the more explicit goals of this massive global psyop…no make that two small predictions. Firstly, it will serve multiple purposes; secondly, they hope to use the fear-mongering to empty many 1000s of buildings on prime sites throughout the West.
The workers are “persuaded” to stay at home — thus human behaviour is once again insidiously modified — and the ultra rich get non-controversial access to all those empty buildings and abandoned real estate. This push towards a more “virtual lifestyle” — self-imprisonment — will have other benefits for the ultra rich all of which boil down to more theft from the masses. For example, parents will now have to pay for virtual schooling thus the indoctrination and dumbing down will move into the homes — you wanted “home schooling” well now you got it 😉
If this push to a virtual lifestyle is correct then I think the Phoenician Navy hopes to persuade Mankind that the entirely fabricated “coronvirus” will never, ever go away. It will be like the nuke and climate change kabuki in that the lies will span over several generations. Think of the plot to Twelve Monkeys — the virus and its 100s of mutations will always be there in the environment ready to strike.
I hope I’m wrong but all indications are that the Phoenician Navy are engaging in a massive long-term human behaviour modification experiment. I say “all indications” but of course that is bollocks because I’m basing it on speculations and scatter reports from the crappy MSM. But there it is to be torn down with better logic than I can supply 😛 And I want to be disabused of this opinion but I don’t want the Phoenies to double-down on this atrocious mind-job.
They better watch out, actually, because this will lead to much anger and frustration. Let me guess — they will have thought of that aswell!
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John C. said:
Similar to the never ending fictional 21st century “war on terrorism” which induced fear into the population and another money grab.
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Wayne G. said:
Everything is and has been fiction for freaking centuries. Typical pathelic, dubious Hollywood scripts, better known as propaganda and/or public “relations.” That’s the sole reason for Hollywood’s existence. We’ve been entertained to death for centuries. Movies, TV, radio and now the internet have been baked into our collective fabric long before we were ever even conceived. With the advent of the interwebby, we now have “influencers.” Better known as paid shills, talking heads and experts (pardon me while I puke a little).
Take a gander at the his-story of mass communications. From the troubadours and traveling actors of shake a fake spear, burlesque, to the printing press, telegraph, radio, TV and now the instant gratification vehicle that is the World Wide Web—and our main source of communicating with each other as the looney tunes, nutso, crazy wackos, conspiracy theorists we are branded. Our only hope of coming together as one, lies in the machinations of our eminent demise. We are literally “screened” every freaking day. And even as we try to stay connected here, we are separated by time, space and now—“social distancing”—better known as internment.
Be wary…the Ides of March.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Take away a couple letters from internment and you get internet, interestingly…
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Mantalo said:
before we had to suspect our neighbor of being radically Muslimized.
then we had to suspect all the men of being either pigs or rapists of young girls,
and now, we have to suspect our radicalized and -rapigst neighbor of being the criminal vector of the pandemic which will bring the apocalypse and, for some people, the messiah …
Hem , there is already a piece of the messiah that arrived: the “mess”
Am i the only one to go to work tomorrow ?
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Cory W. said:
Good points. Yes I agree with the insight provided here as it seems be another endless layer to this deception.
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Dennis Heretz said:
They chisel away at us year after year, increasing their power gradually, but then it seems once per generation they make a really big power grab. The first one I lived through was the early 80s Reagan “Revolution”, with its union-busting and deregulation; that one was pretty subtle. Then of course 9/11. Now 20 years later like clockwork this virus comes along. Who knows what new restrictions will be placed on us a result. I mean, could anyone have imagined on 9/11 that as a result of it someday you’d have to take your shoes off in the airport?
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Roelf_zelf said:
Combined with forced vaccinations. People get the flu after the vaccinations which can be said to be corona. To be repeated every 6 months or so.
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Benjamin said:
Yep, with normal business practice closed, many businesses will not be able to afford rent long term, forcing permanent closure. Enter the spooks, to take over the premises.
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Wayne G. said:
Well, so much for the bustling bars and restaurants, well, except O’Malley’s on the Cape, a townie bar which is always hopping. Met a friend at a British Beer Company last night. It’s halfway between our places, (30-minute ride and off the island) has a great beer selection, pretty good bar food and live bands on weekends. Walked into a bar of a dozen people, maybe, including us. Not a soul in the now darkened restaurant. This was 7:30 pm.
The kitchen was closed at nine, last call was ten. The band was cancelled. People were literally driving town to town to find a place to eat, have a drink and just be out. No one was concerned about the “virus” and no one was ordering Corona beer. They were more concerned about the stupidity of the whole affair. At 10:00 pm a large group of seven or eight showed up as I was nursing my final beer and were granted one drink each. Apparently making money and serving customers is passé. But small businesses here are already teetering on the brink. This place shut out at least a dozen or more paying customers in the short time I was there.
This is going to blow up in somebody’s face. NO ONE anyone knows is or has been contaminated. Period. I talked loudly about how bogus this all was, so everyone heard me. Not a soul asked or said a word. The numbers are bogus and the whole game is gonna blow up in their faces. Well, at least it should but one must always be aware and wary of the infamous “American Exceptionalism,” as in, Americans are, by and large, exceptionally stupid—and apparently scared shitless—what a waste of toilet paper.
We need to get our message to the masses—LOUD & CLEAR—ASAP….
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tony martin said:
I would have to assume my dear Watson….. that this kind of contact would be out of the question for the near future or ever?
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Philip Cox said:
If you went to my highschool, that kiss on the hand would have been considered “PDA” or a ‘Public Display of Affection’. Which was grounds for disciplinary action.
And they wonder why the kids are messed up..
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tony martin said:
You’re a good historian. I see the kissing of a woman’s hand in a lot of cowboy movies and old time TV shows.
When did this go out of vogue?
With women’s liberation I guess.
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Vick said:
I have to admit I have given up on the idea of getting anything out to anyone that doesn’t want to hear it. My time is better spent doing something more humble than thinking I can get people to see that are blind. Brings new meaning to me of that old saying, “In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King.” It is deeper than most realize.
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mantalo said:
sure
it can explain all the one-eyed pictures !
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Maria said:
Just one small detail that I found interesting from the Bill and Melinda Gates, World Economic Forum and Johns Hopkins simulation exercise of a pandemic corona virus outbreak in 2019 called “Event 201”:
“The scenario ends at the 18-month point, with 65 million deaths. The pandemic is beginning to slow due to the decreasing number of susceptible people. The pandemic will continue at some rate until there is an effective vaccine or until 80-90 % of the global population has been exposed. From that point on, it is likely to be an endemic childhood disease.”
Of course the scenario ends at 18 months, which mathces up to the date of the exercise; 18th October. What I wanted to point out was, however, that say the corona virus will become an “endemic childhood disease”. I can’t really understand why that would be the case, but given that the virus is most likely fake to start with, anything can happen. In any case, I read that to mean that they will include a corona virus vaccine in the childhood immunisation programme. So, this, I predict is one of the desired outcomes of this farce.
Link: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html
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Wayne G. said:
Interesting take. Endemic childhood disease. Love the silly sponsorship logos!! Makes sense as another angle in the “end game” we started with yesterday. Another high priced vaccine that we can be sure has more to do with controlling the masses than actually controlling disease. Since disease is never “cured,” it’s only bandaged. Do find 80–90% saturation to be quite a stretch. Is there an over/under book on that?
One thing we need to be careful with, is our use of language with regard to fake viruses. Something was in fact developed in a lab and patented as a “virus.”or at least a contagion. Anyone can look this up. At this point, whether we agree or not, viruses (contagions) exist in legal terminology. They also exist in medical terminology. Saying it’s a fake virus, even if in fact that is correct, wins us no points with those who continue to use their brains as nothing more than hat racks. They believe in viruses.
The way around this dilemma and others, is to identify the events as fake, not necessarily (in this case) the virus. It’s important to not call out anything that the masses are unknowing of, as fake, as they’ll bite on the conspiracy nutso take without being educated. Best to define the virus as being of lab construct, patented, pointing out those who financed the process and what their expected ROI will be, before any declaration of the event as faked. You simply cannot call the virus fake and hope to gain confidence with those who don’t have a clue and believe viruses to be real.
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Maria said:
Yeah, I didn’t mean to say all viruses are fake, nor that corona viruses don’t exist as I am well aware of the patents and that Wiki has a page on these viruses . I should have said “this virus pandemic is fake” since I mean that there are probably no real cases or very few. Unfortunately, I am not able to amend my comment, but I would do so If I could.
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Philip Cox said:
The problem I have with theinfectiousmyth.com is that this David Crowe seems to be a ghost. Couldn’t find any good information on him and he doesn’t talk about himself on his website.
However his website and writing are interesting and seem to make sense, but I simply don’t know enough about conventional medicine to really know if viruses are totally fake, or possibly a case of mis-identification, or some third thing.
His SARS and Cornavirus papers are worth reading I think. Some jist for future research:
“The SARS panic did not start until a rumor was disseminated on a discussion forum hosted by the medical surveillance website ProMedMail.org intended to help public health workers exchange news of outbreaks of disease all around the world. Stephen Cunnion, MD wrote:“Have you heard of an epidemic in Guangzhou? An acquaintance of mine from a teacher’s chat room lives there and reports that the hospitals there have been closed and people are dying.”
I could not find much info in this Cunnion name, except for more doctors listed in MD and VA, one trying to sell a new drug for ‘blue baby’ treatment. I also found a Jeannie Cunnion who wrote Mom Set Free, a “Christian” book about parenting which reads like one of those projects designed to drive sensible people away and sell women fake “empowerment”.
https://www.pilotonline.com/news/health/vp-nw-fzx19-realta-life-sciences-20191229-ufzi7vhgu5f3nppfatihjcgq3a-story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProMED-mail
“Under the auspices of the Federation of American Scientists, ProMED-mail was founded in 1994 by Dr. Stephen Morse, then of Rockefeller University, Dr. Barbara Rosenberg of the State University of New York at Purchase, and Dr. Jack Woodall, then of the New York State Department of Health (and currently an Associate Editor of ProMED).[8] Originally envisioned as a direct scientist-to-scientist network, ProMED rapidly grew into a prototype outbreak reporting and discussion list, especially after the 1995 Ebola outbreak. The idea of a global network was first proposed by Donald A. Henderson in 1989.[9]
ProMED played a crucial role in identifying the SARS outbreak early in 2003.[10] An astute physician in Silver Spring, Maryland, Stephen O. Cunnion, MD, PhD, MPH, submitted the first report to the database for this emerging outbreak, allowing the ProMED community to track the outbreak nearly two months in advance of the worldwide alert.[11] The email read: “Have you heard of an epidemic in Guangzhou? An acquaintance of mine . . . reports that the hospitals there have been closed and people are dying.” It was one month later before the Chinese government officially acknowledged the outbreak.
In 2012, the users of ProMED were again some of the first to identify the outbreak of MERS. A physician was responsible for identifying the outbreak and reporting the event to the ProMED community, which was posted online.[12] Eight days after the initial report, the Saudi Health Ministry announced the diagnosis of a new form of coronavirus. “
Silver Springs lies just outside DC. ProMED is a project of the International Society For Infectious Diseases, and if we check out their Executive Commitee Members list on their website, their past president was Jonathan Cohen, however he still shows up another under ICID Program Commitee member as just Jon Cohen. Whatever. This is an obvious “non profit” spook front used to cover their usual crimes.
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tony martin said:
I think we learned 100 years ago that doctors should wash their hands in between surgeries.
Did that turn out to be helpful or stupid?
You at least have to admit that there’s germs….. otherwise to me it’s same as Flat Earth.
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Josh said:
Tony, I agree with you about denying the existence of germs as being akin to Flat Earth. I also agree with Kieran’s comments. But I do sense that our current understanding is woefully incomplete and presumably misdirected. I suspect the terrain vs. germ dichotomy is a false one and that the truth lies behind some as yet unknown door number three.
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Sir Blumenbach said:
Germ theory is false though, disease is caused by toxins, not germs. Washing your hands has nothing to do with getting rid of these tiny beings.
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Kieran said:
My impression is that it’s not that germ theory is false, per se, but that it should be a second order theory behind environmental and systemic effects caused by toxins. If your body or immune system has been damaged by stress, toxins, poor sleep or nutrition, etc, it can create an ecological niche that can be exploited by bacteria. Bacterial metabolic processes can themselves produce toxic compounds which will cause further damage. So in situations where the body has been weakened by surgery, it is a good idea to use sterile implements that will not introduce bacteria to the wound site, where they might become pathogenic.
Granted, I have not yet read the Béchamp vs. Pasteur book, which might change my perspective on this. But I’m having difficulty reconciling ‘germ theory is fake’ with the available evidence. Why do antibiotics work? I had food poisoning a few weeks ago, how can this be attributable to non-bacterial processes?
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tony martin said:
“If your body or immune system has been damaged by stress, toxins, poor sleep or nutrition, etc, it can create an ecological niche that can be exploited by bacteria.”
That’s what I’ve been saying all along. To say that germs have “nothing” to do with anything is bonkers and actually dangerous.
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alan mass said:
Correct. I had emailed Miles Mathis with that info which I believe stimulated his new paper updated on this same subject (though I have to admit that I am not particularly fond of what he publishes..).
Do u remember what the Chinese rep did during his talk at the world economic forum? I remember watching trunews ‘reporting (their bs.. yes they’re on board pushing this scam) live’ from it and the guy couldn’t speak for the unbelievable distress caused by a ‘strange cough’ he had (could it be that the place was located in a cold snowy environment and he simply caught a cold?..neey, it’s a deadly virus from Wuhan$). I would imagine they will award him an oscar next year. Yes, they were staging the opening of the play right there.
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carol said:
There are those who are completely taken in by this hyped up comedy. There are those that believe in the conspiracy that the virus has been artificially manufactured and there are those that believe the virus is just a regular flu virus blown up out of all proportion. There’s always the third door: That pathogenic viruses just don’t exist.
There’s certainly no proof that they do.
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carol said:
Some people are really being taken in by this overhyped pandemic.
Some people even believe that the virus has been nefariously manufactured to reduce the population ………………..a nice little conspiracy story.
Some people believe that it’s just a regular flu virus that has been blown up out of all proportion to create fear and mayhem.
Very few people seem to be entering the third door.
What if pathogenic viruses just don’t exist.
There’s absolutely no proof that they do.
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Ewan said:
At present , I have been reading ‘ The Great Cat Massacre, and other Episides in French Cultural History’
aw va’ bes
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Enki said:
In 2017 World Bank launched $500 Million Pandemic Bonds. The ammount it’s not huge, it’s just pizza money for them, but the idea is…WTF?!
Another interesting fact is the Scheduled Maturity Date: July 15, 2020
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2017/06/28/world-bank-launches-first-ever-pandemic-bonds-to-support-500-million-pandemic-emergency-financing-facility
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John C. said:
New paper posted: http://mileswmathis.com/corona.pdf
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Raymond D. said:
Thanks for the heads up. This is getting nuts in the UK — people over 70 might not be allowed outside “for a very long time”. If such a policy is implemented and the populace obeys, my goodness then we truly are on our own. “I go read de paper”.
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Maria said:
Here, where I come from, we look with envy towwards the UK as seemingly the UK is going for the rather less insane approach of isolating vulnerable persons while letting the rest of the population catch the infection to develop immunity (correct me if I am misinformed). Telling people they are not allowed out is of course insane, as people have to decide this themselves, but I am just talking about different levels of insanity. Though, I wouldn’t count on this approach to be maintained. In my country, like in many other European countries, they are isolating everyone. In Spain they have told people to stay at home unless they have to go to work or buy food. Everything but pharmacies and grocery stores are closed in Spain. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/spain-government-set-to-order-nationwide-coronavirus-lockdown
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rolleikin said:
Stay safe out there, folks.
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Laurie said:
Basically “fake” is the new “F” word and “conspiracy” might as well be the new ah…ah…ok, hate to say it but yes, the new “c” word. Have experienced the wrath of both, even though I make sure “fake” and “conspiracy” are not part of my vocabulary anymore. Just speaking truth (even the most benign and simple) will bring those two juicy tidbits out of others like an electric poker. End game: Divide and Conquer..of which Miles has expounded on bountifully, brilliantly and beautifully:)) Nothing new; same old Hollywitch production albeit nobody needs to leave their premises to buy a ticket anymore.
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The Shadow said:
I really wish there was a proper index on Miles’ site. It gets very difficult to locate old papers to share with new readers.
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loralei55 said:
Dr. Tim O’Shea from https://thedoctorwithin.com/blog/2020/03/10/newsletter-march-2020/ has this to say:
“Coronavirus and its 500 mostly harmless strains have been known for decades. The identification process for “new” COVID (or 2019-nCoV) virus has been ludicrously inconsistent from the very beginning. At every level – federal, state, local.
For the first month, the viral strain was not even identified. So anybody who got sick with anything was likely to be included, with no testing at all. By symptoms only. That was to create a news story. There was the preconceived agenda.
Then in January, when they finally decided to say it was a new strain that was infecting everybody, that’s when they named it 2019-nCoV, in which n stands for novel, lest anyone forget we’re claiming this is a brand new bug.
But then politics took over and somebody decided they didn’t like that name. So voila – COVID. Politics eclipses science.
THE SCIENCE OF TESTING
Now for the bad news. What is the test they claim to use to identify this new bug in a patient? The test is called PCR. This is the classic polymerase chain reaction test, invented in the 80s by Dr Kary Mullis. In 40 years doctors have never come up with any test more accurate than this very flawed, theoretical estimate of microbial activity.
The test produces loads of false positives, often failing to measure anything at all.
No one is more critical of the test’s reliability than the inventor himself.
Dr Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel prize for inventing PCR to detect HIV, [9] explains its limitations—why the PCR is not especially diagnostic, for HIV or for anything else:
“Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron. PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers. Although there is a common misimpression that the viral-load tests actually count the number of viruses in the blood, these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to HIV.
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“The tests can detect genetic sequences of viruses, but not viruses themselves.” [1]
Can’t identify viruses? Then how do we know all these people have the same disease, let alone the same novel disease?
This means that with all these people who have supposedly been PCR tested for COVID, there is still no conclusive diagnostic evidence that they have any coronaviruses at all. Let alone the same virus. According to the inventor of the primary diagnostic test.
(Mullis’s testimony about the limits of PCR actually helped acquit OJ. Though Johnny didn’t seem to need much help there, did he?)
LIMITS OF POLYMERASE CHAIN REACTION TEST
PCR is not a test that isolates, identifies, or even detects any particular virus. If you’re sick and have some viral fragments, the PCR test just amplifies those sequences millions of times, from the sample.
For the more scientifically minded, here’s a source that’s a review of the literature on the weakness and unreliability of the polymerase chain reaction: [ Regulatory Concerns of PCR [2]
Yet the PCR test remains the standard that is cited by all corporate media as the means for diagnosing coronavirus all over the world.
A little research shows us that any association with viral disease from PCR is just a theory at best – just an estimate. Nothing like an exact science that says definitively Ebola or HIV virus or coronavirus is present in this patient. Which is what everyday media and everyday science is pretending with coronavirus, pounding it into their undiscriminating readers’ heads, week after week.
But wait. The false science gets much worse than that. There’s no evidence the PCR test is even being used at all!
CALIFORNIA “OUTBREAK”
A few days after the Fox Live press conference, corporate media reported 4 new cases of COVID in the Bay area. This was predicted by the Fox Live conference. But there’s nothing to be worried about – no more serious than the flu.
Then corporate news hysteria ramped up yet another notch, trying to make something out of nothing. Santa Clara County’s scoreboard on its website amplified the seriousness of the four cases beyond all reason. A few days later, it was up to 20 “confirmed” cases, just in Santa Clara County. [3]
Confirmed how? They don’t say. Nobody knows.
At the same time another site – the California Dept. of Health – was suddenly claiming 60 cases statewide. [4] That’s 3x as many cases as in the entire country just a few days earlier. How is that possible?
That’s when it hit me. How could one county in California suddenly have 3x as many cases as the entire United States after just a few days?
It couldn’t.
The answer is: there are simply no standard criteria. for counting cases. Plus, there was an agenda across the board to magnify the seriousness of the “epidemic” by making the most provocative, groundless predictions for the near future. [7] But always with the requisite assurance that “Santa Clara County is doing everything possible to manage and limit the outbreak…” The standard bureaucrat slogan, from sea to shining sea…
FUNDING: THE HOME STRETCH
So what was going on here? Then I remembered. The $8 billion in funding had just come through Congress. [6] So that means one thing: every state and federal bureaucrat in the country is now scrambling for his fair share, before the whole illusion evaporates. As it is sure to do, very soon.
Funding – whether it’s for a vaccine, or just the illusion of “control” – funding is always the predictable death knell for every single Boutique Epidemic. [8]
The usual pattern is that media redoubles its efforts at maximum hysteria and grim prediction because they know it’s going to vanish very soon.
Which we’re seeing right now, like this lame turkey from Yahoo news: “As the coronavirus spreads, one study predicts that even the best-case scenario is 15 million dead and a $2.4 trillion hit to global GDP.” [7]
For the next few weeks, get ready for more like this from the pre-hominids at the corporate tabloids.
This explains the new tone of desperation in media, squeezing every last drop of urgency out of the media event before the Golden Goose flies away. And why more and more masks are appearing on the street and why there are shortages of bottled water, rice, etc in most Bay Area supermarkets. In the absence of verifiable cases.
WHAT IF THERE’S NO CORONAVIRUS EPIDEMIC AT ALL: EXPERIMENT
Hold on here. What if there is no epidemic, no new COVID disease at all, and no legitimate testing procedure for counting the “infected“? Let’s just make that hypothesis, and then try to disprove it.
I started out with a little experiment. First I called Santa Clara County health department, 408) 992-4900 and after 30 minutes finally got through to someone. I asked if Santa Clara County had any facility where I could refer my patients who had the flu, where they could be tested to rule out coronavirus.
The answer was unequivocal – No – Santa Clara County has no testing facility for coronavirus.
My next question was, well all these numbers of coronavirus cases on your website – where are they coming from if you have no testing facility?
The representative told me that people had to go to their individual practitioners, at pulmonary clinics, etc. in order to be tested. And then these doctors would voluntarily inform the county so they could add the numbers to the scoreboard.
OK, there’s Brush-off #1.
ILLUSION OF TESTING – NO REAL MARKET
My next question to the County was: what kind of testing are the doctors using at these clinics? Answer: we don’t know.
See where this is going, as we start down the bureaucratic rabbit hole?
So my next step was to call local MDs, especially pulmonary specialists in the Bay Area. After calling more than 50 of these offices, the answer was a resounding No – 100% of the time. No, we do not have any test that we can use to rule out coronavirus infection.
Try it!
Pretty safe to assume that 50 is a sufficient number of clinics in the Bay Area to determine whether there’s any clinic who offers PCR or any other test for coronavirus. My contention is that there are no practitioners who have such a test and therefore coronavirus screening tests are simply not available in Santa Clara County at all.
And therefore we have no idea how many cases there are. Or if there are any at all.
If you then ask the clinic – Do you know anyone who does have the test – guess what they say. Take a guess.
They’ll tell you to call the Santa Clara County Dept. of Health – which is who told you to go to the individual clinics in the first place.
There’s Brushoff #2. See the game here?
Now why would all the pulmonary specialists in one of the most densely populated sections of the country have no interest whatsoever in screening people for a respiratory disease being hawked by all media as the most dangerous epidemic threat we’ve ever seen…? Some specialists!
Obviously they’re not taking it very seriously – not much faith in its virulence. Think about it – if this epidemic were real, would all these doctors ignore an entire market, this huge?
CONCLUSION AND HYPOTHESIS
So a perfectly valid hypothesis might be this: the County’s online scoreboard is fraudulent. There are no cases at all. These reported cases of so-called COVID are nothing more than the flu, because there is no available testing procedure in all of the Bay Area that can diagnose the disease – in an area with 5 million people.
And even if there were, the standard test cited in any medical reference for COVID is the RT-PCR test, for which we have seen above the evidence of its inherent inaccuracy and lack of scientific reliability.
By extrapolation then, it is fairly reasonable to say that the trickery and deception we see at work in one of the richest, most populous communities in the US are no different from what is going on everywhere else across the nation. Looks like it’s all being orchestrated via the same corporate media stories.
What we’ve seen in the past few months may be nothing more than the standard re-categorization technique, traditionally used to conjure up new Boutique Epidemics, in the absence of any truly novel disease. [8] In every community, in very state, let’s take a look at the annual numbers of people who got the flu, for the past 3 years. Guess what you’ll find. No difference at all this year.
So what was this all about – what was the objective from the outset? The $8.3 billion pork barrel for local, state and federal employees to squabble over.
With media’s increasing stranglehold and censorship of oppo information now in place, this particular Boutique Epidemic got a little carried away and had an excessive effect on the stock market, travel, and international trade.
But all that will soon normalize, as the phantom reluctantly leaves the opera, now that there’s no more incentive for the show to go on.
So stop worrying about it, buy your stocks back, and go about your business. Stop listening to science fiction stories about what’s really going on in China. Or how the disease reflects badly on the President, etc. It’s all over but the shouting. With no more money – nothing to shout about.
What’s next? Look for another Boutique Epidemic coming soon to your town, probably next year. They’re now an annual event. Like Groundhog Day.”
REFERENCES
1. National Library of Medicine Questioning the HIV-AIDS Hypothesis: 30 Years of Dissent
Front Public Health. 2014; 2: 154. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172096/
Hu, Y Regulatory Concern of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) Carryover Contamination
https://www.intechopen.com/books/polymerase-chain-reaction-for-biomedical-applications/regulatory-concern-of-polymerase-chain-reaction-pcr-carryover-contamination
3.Santa Clara County Alerts – Coronavirus
http://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-coronavirus/Pages/home.aspx
4.California Dept of Public Health – Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Immunization/nCOV2019.aspx
FoxNews Live 29 Feb 2020 — News Alert press conference – The White House
Trump signs $8.3B coronavirus spending bill – Fox 6 Mar 2020
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-cancels-trip-to-cdc-amid-coronavirus-outbreak
As the coronavirus spreads, … best-case scenario is 15 million dead and a $2.4 trillion hit to global GDP Yahoo news 5 Mar 2020
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-spreads-one-study-predicts-101552222.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=ma
February Newsletter https://thedoctorwithin.com/blog/2020/02/10/newsletter-february-2020/
Kary B. Mullis: Nobel Prize – https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1993/mullis/facts/
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Josh said:
Thank you Loralei for that informative comment.
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tony martin said:
Dr. Tim O’Shea really hit it out of the ballpark with that one.
He said scientifically what I was thinking in layman’s terms all along.
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Wayne G. said:
Copy this comment verbatim and email it to everyone you know and have them do the same. Time to bring down the house.
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Josh said:
Not so fast, Wayne. I’m not sure loralei’s critique of PCR is on the mark. I’m trying to learn a bit more about it.
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Smj said:
Just so happens that dr. eu’kary’otic mullis shed this mortal coil last year. He was quite the character. Needless to say I find nucleic chain reactions just as suspect as I find nuclear chain reactions.
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MathisderMaler said:
Well, they’ve got you guys talking about nothing else, so they are controlling the line of sight. I am not falling for it, and have been working on something completely unrelated, so that they couldn’t even claim to have diverted me. http://mileswmathis.com/phoenper.pdf
Enjoy.
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Vick said:
Never in my lifetime have I ever gone to a store and seen shelves cleared. Your darn tootin’ I’m talking about it! It is ACTUALLY affecting my life big time. I’m confused and uncertain what to do about friends and relatives that are oldsters.
Congratulations on your monumental focus.
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Benjamin said:
Falling for it? Everyone here is exposing it, which seems pretty important given how widespread it is. Your publishing a paper with links and quotes from here would suggest as much.
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John C. said:
Thank you MM for http://mileswmathis.com/phoenper.pdf. After an initial read, my brain is trying to digest the heavy, heavy lifting of historical reconstruction you have accomplished. I will be re-reading this paper many times. Fortunately for me, ancient history never appealed much to me so I don’t have the baggage of imprinted, convoluted, and fictional bs to overcome.
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Raymond D. said:
Really looking forward to reading this one.
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Joki said:
One blogger I read on occasion has been going nuts over all of this. Over a week ago I made a post to one of their articles in which they’d argued that simply too many people would be required for any major misdirection to be pulled off on the public. They cited the “hundreds of thousands” of doctors, nurses and so on that would all have to be “in on it.” To them it’s all “real” because no one could successfully create just the appearance of a “new virus” outbreak, in their opinion.
I tried to follow that line of thought, to test the assumption, i.e. how many people are in a position to know for themselves, without having to trust someone else, that they are dealing with a new virus with the claimed characteristics. Everything I learned in doing so led me to believe that the reagent/PCR test was central to answering that question.
No patient knows. They know what the doctor tells them. Likewise, no actual doctor or nurse knows. They know what the test results tell them. The testing is not done by any average nurse or doctor at a clinic or hospital. The samples are sent elsewhere.
For that matter even the lab tech who does any actual testing isn’t in a position to know. They have a sample. They have a reagent. They apply the reagent to the sample and look for a particular result.
There are serious chain-of-custody issues in all of this. Back when “bird flu” was the boogeyman the “official” procedures, as per the CDC, were for all samples, ALL of them, to be sent to “State public health laboratories”, where they could be analyzed with the assistance of the reagents (supplied to them by the CDC) according to procedure (outlined by the CDC).
Curious how they were handling the current “outbreak”, I found this:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/lab/guidelines-clinical-specimens.html
Where you can discover that the procedure has changed somewhat. All samples are to be sent directly to the CDC, bypassing those State facillities. ALL of them. This means, of course, that all the resulting numbers we get in the media came, one way or the other, from the CDC.
They even provide a warning against anyone attempting to test samples for themselves.
“Note that clinical laboratories should NOT attempt viral isolation from specimens collected from persons suspected to have COVID-19 unless this is performed in a BSL3 laboratory. Testing for other pathogens by the provider should be done as part of the initial evaluation but should not delay testing for COVID-19.”
Fair enough. If it’s a real bug then no one wants a bajillion labs around the world trying to isolate it for themselves. Still, it does reiterate the point made above: only the CDC is doing the actual testing, according to their own website as of this moment.
The thoroughly frightened blogger I sent all this to declined to post it, nor did they ever send an email or the like explaining why they thought it wasn’t useful information.
Is there anything wrong with what I’ve written above? Am I factually incorrect? Can anyone demonstrate that anyone other than the CDC itself is doing any actual testing via reagent in the U.S., i.e. a PCR test? (I understand there are some who question the effectiveness of such tests, and I’m not taking issue with their questions. I’m limiting myself to looking at the actuality of such testing only, not its effectiveness or lack of.)
I then went back to the initial report given to the WHO by Chinese authorities. In the references and supplemental material sections of that paper I found out that the Chinese created their reagent using, in part, supplies from a pair of U.S. companies. I say “in part” because the companies only supplied the various solutions and other supplies currently used in creating reagents. The Chinese, of course, had to supply “virus” to mix everything up properly in order to make a reagent for that specific virus.
Those two companies turned out to be three companies, as one of them was the result of a merger a few years ago. The three companies between them had/have four founders. Every founder comes from serious wealth, whether admitted or apparent (once one begins to actually look at their claimed bio). All had ties to either China itself or trade in the region, prior to the outbreak.
None of that is a “smoking gun”, but it raises more questions than it answers, and it can serve to raises suspicion even further regarding the efficacy of any actual testing that is taking place.
I sent that info to another website, and was told that it was all interesting but that “they have you believing it’s all real. It isn’t.” or something to that effect. Well, no, I didn’t say I believed it was “all” real. In fact, it is and was my suspicion that at least some of it is very much NOT “real” that made me investigate in the first place. I think the info was not of interest to this site and that’s fine, but the response did strike me as… polarizing, I guess is the word I’d use.
One blogger/site maintains that it’s all real and the sky is literally falling as we speak. Prepare for FEMA camps, in other words. The other maintains that it’s all fake and is literally the result of paid actors reading from a script. Ignore it all, in other words, for your own mental health if not for any other reason. You could not get further apart than those two viewpoints.
Where oh where is door number 3? Or 5? Or door 20?
If I’ve made factual mistakes above they’re mine alone and I take responsibility for them. I welcome any analysis concluding an error of judgement. I’ve not used any names because I don’t think it’s important. The extreme polarization of the views themselves is what interests me.
If blogger A is correct and the sky is falling, there’s little anyone can actually DO about that on the ground, save to go out and shop shop shop before they drop. Stock up! It’s the theme of the day!
If blogger B is correct then it’s all about money, management and fear and no one has anything to worry about in the immediate future because that’s the same old game that’s been played on us for centuries.
If blogger A is incorrect they’re going to look like a complete fool, although they’ll have a few ways to talk themselves or others out of that unkind interpretation.
If blogger B is incorrect they may literally die, along with all their readers. Whether they do or not it will sooner or later become obvious to everyone that they were astoundingly incorrect, i.e. once bodies pile up undeniably.
Facts seem to be harder to acquire than toilet paper at the moment, yet at some point one of the above bloggers is going to be “proven” right and the other “proven” wrong. If nothing else it’s going to make for entertaining reading in the future, as one side or the other attempts to justify their former position.
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Josh said:
Joki, what you are saying about the CDC centralizing the tests in no longer true: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/private-labs-start-testing-for-coronavirus-prompting-cost-concerns.html
Of course, those private labs could also be in on the con. However some places have on-site testing kits that allow them to get a result on the spot in about an hour. That will become more common. How accurate are those tests? Not sure.
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Joki said:
Thanks for the response.
I read the article. I cannot find any reference in it as to what kind of testing is being done. No reference to a PCR, etc. It is still my understanding that only such a test can confirm the presence of virus X specifically. All other forms of testing can only confirm the presence of viral tissue.
What form of testing can be done in an hour, when the accepted procedure (the PCR) involves isolation of the tissue (typically via centrifuge), confirmation of the presence of an enzyme which would allow said tissue to replicate, confirmation that viral tissue and ONLY viral tissue is present in each sample, and finally the application of the reagent to the sample, after which the presence or lack of specific antibodies is said to “confirm” the diagnosis?
All of that is done on-site, in an hour? For every sample?
Perhaps so. Is it accurate?
https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/90095/how-does-a-coronavirus-test-kit-work
“Recently a new method called POCT rapid detection is being tested and it is said that it takes only 15 min to get the result. This method takes a colloidal gold-based immunochromatographic assay to detect the nCoV antibody produced by the patient. Going through the strip, the material tested would pass through a layer of the colloidal gold marker that binds to the antibody, a detection line that contains the corresponding antigen, and a control line that would change colour once it detects any liquid that contains the colloidal gold. This method feels kind of like a pregnancy test, where two lines are bad (i.e. antibodies is detected in the sample as they bind with antigens) and one line is good. It’s much faster than the nucleic acid test and it’s easier to apply, but the problem is that you can get false positives or false negatives due to the different amounts of antibodies produced by patients. It can be used as a supplementary method for nucleic acid detection, but for clinical use we may want to be more careful with it.”
Note that last bit. You can get false positives and negatives, and the writer cautions that it can be used as a supplementary” method, but advises caution in using it for clinical *diagnosis.
In all fairness it must be pointed out that the above is an anonymous answer on an open, public website. I’ve found nothing to contradict it so far, but that doesn’t make it true.
Still, if what I found there is an accurate description of the kind of “on-site” testing you mentioned then I have doubts as to its efficacy for its intended use. I do thank you for the article link, however.
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Josh said:
Joki the lab tests are all PCR. I don’t know about the on site ones
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Josh said:
Joki I pressed send too soon. I just checked my dad’s message and her said the hospital is getting rapid PCR test kits that give results in an hour. According to him they are very accurate, at least for other viruses.
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garrettderner said:
Why don’t we just give 2019-nCoV
rope enough to hang himself?
Ain’t no call to worry the jury
His kind takes care of itself
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