[This is the thread to discuss the current corona virus psy-op.]
From Las Vegas, Pittsburg, Thousand Oaks to Russian Collusion and the Khashoggi assassination, false-flag hoaxes, conspoofacies, fake murders and other manufactured events are running non-stop around the world and around the corner.
A reader wrote in to suggest opening a comment section devoted to discussing current (faked) events. I thought it was a good idea and would provide a place where people could chime in on what’s going on in the news and even offer evidence for why they think the event was faked, hoaxed, manufactured, etc. (or why not). Have at it, unless you think it’s a waste of your time–in which case, don’t!
Gerard Nordskoven said:
RFID tracking devices were patented in 1973 and the flim MOONRAKER came out in 1979. One advantage of Radio Frequency ID tags besides shoplifting control was the ability to drive through neighborhoods and bounce signals off the wee antennae, creating a passive transceiver to track market saturation of products. DOLLY’S BRACES by MILES MATHIS, which asserts copies of MOONRAKER were sureptitiously snitched from those few remaining VHS collectors, and Dolly’s braces otherwise removed from fake vintage copies, was eminently do-able. Spoiler Alert! Traces of braces! Probably a sniggery sub-basement #7 proof-of-concept contract with Google Maps using a (titter) James Bond film. Fiona Broome, the Mandela Effect Mack Daddy, is suitably portrayed masked in powder-blue contacts, Henna-tinted long curly hair, and a comely prognathic brow ridge. Blast from the past props to MWM because YouTube is still airing the Mandela-Effect-friendly movie reviewer of MOONRAKER and dwelling on Dolly’s non-braces for the so-far 94 “Comment” likes of “Mind-blown.” BONUS! Parallel / Alternate Universe infinite grants in faux physics.
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Aries said:
Nature laughs. Nature laughs because some of its creations think their bloodline is special.
Nature laughs.
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Aries said:
And I hope Miles makes a Muses, Pt. 3. I want to know more opinions about where we might’ve came from. It’s very interesting to me.
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Never Give In said:
@Aries
I’ve read Miles’ paper The Spirit and the Muse (which was excellent), so I assume you’re referring to that as “part 1”. And you mention that you’d like a part 3. But what was part 2? I must have missed that.
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Aries said:
He mentioned Saturn and Titan in Part 2. It was very interesting. It made me want to go out and search for more.
I want to know what happened to the ships that brought humans onto this planet. I want to know how humans forgot their pasts from Titan. I’m not saying that I 100% believe in this. I’m saying that I want an explanation. I’m interested in human origin.
Why were these Phoenicians the FIRST ones to figure everything out? Why? Why? Why did Nature allow that?
That’s what I’m interested in. I want the roots. I want to know where “black” people come from, and I want to know where “white” people come from. I think they’re ALL beautiful. Beautiful creations from Nature, but corrupted by the Phoenicians.
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Lio said:
I too would like to read more on that subject, but I imagine it takes a lot more time and thought from Miles to come to any kind of theory on a subject that is so difficult to get real data on. One can speculate science fiction all day to answer your questions and fit them into the frame, but Miles doesn’t deal in science fiction or “Here be dragons (black holes)”.
I imagine all the true origin information is tucked away in some godforsaken private PN library somewhere and only the top of the top spook families are allowed to know, and they are probably shitting themselves after feeling Miles’ arrows whizzing past their faces toward the bullseye.
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Never Give In said:
Cool, sounds interesting. I missed that Miles’ paper. Can you please provide the link?
Thanks.
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Stephen said:
I think this one: http://mileswmathis.com/sangreal.pdf
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kocotube01 začasni said:
Made and transferred (sent) here by the Titanic-Machine. Several version of humanoids sent and field tested, sequentially. Part of the terraforming project. But not terraforming of the Earth for the humans to inherit, but preparation of the Earth for the Machine to resettle or/and eventually duplicate itself here.
How to deal with the information that all life on a certain planet is there just to prepare grounds for the Machine that is (by itself unable of any major adaptation) to resettle or duplicate itself there. That human task is limited in scope and will not inherit planets and cosmos. That we are only humus needed (imagination) for the Machine to grow. Once the Machine is built we are carefully frozen – our DNA together with all the seed of all life on the planet and the technology needed for our revival that we ourselves developed – and packaged to be sent to a new planet to do the same job again. What was first? Hen or egg, Human or Machine? Maybe concurrent, but separated?
Neeeh, I’m just pulling your leg, for fun. Ignore the whole thing.
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Never Give In said:
@Stephen
Thanks for your help on The Holy Grail paper; really appreciate it!
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3rd doorman said:
So now two pages ago I notice @rsack claims I’m more like a 2nd door man for pushing ice t and biafra, and chamillionaire.
https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-116/#comment-149233
But I’m not pushing those guys, I made a coherent point that math education is actually more valuable than the counter-propaganda those guys pushed.
The same goes for Lukas Lion who GarretDerner put up as a way to counter-propagandize. Its a rehash of orwell, adopted to our current crisis. But Ice t and biafra were also a rehash, adopted to the “drug war” rhetoric of their time. And chamillionaire is re-hashing “media lies” and “Overton window” like the crisis we have LONG dealt with, but he does it in geraldo rivera makeup.
Were phonecians even paused by any of this counter-propaganda? They produced it probably!
We know Ice t went on to become a hollywood actor, and biafra seemed well promoted and given a wide audience. Went on to become a record producer of Alternative Tentacles. Chamillionaire is now an “investor” and entrepreneur.
Should I expect more from Lukas Lion? Do I have to write all this to be clear I’m not promoting ice t or biafra or chamillionaire? All the while other folks are regularly embedding youtubes of phonecian mass market hollywood productions with almost no critical content included?
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rsack said:
@2nd doorman. Please explain to me what “counter-propaganda” is. It sounds like some 2nd door spook-term to me. As far as I know propaganda is propaganda (and there’s way too much of it smeared all over everything these days). We’ve seen many examples of these people making up new names for things, to spread confusion and chaos. See buckminster fuller for example. You are not helping your cause with language like this. FYI.
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Wayne said:
This is neither a defense of, nor an attack on, anyone specific.
Counter propaganda comes from another group in a sub basement of Langley. Design to black wash anyone who questions the primary propaganda. Yes, it exists. Important to herd the masses into one corral or the other. Keep them from thinking freely and logically about issues and situations.
Also designed to divide the target population, ending up in their created false divisions.
Some of the anti covid rhetoric doesn’t make sense, as it is not intended to make rational sense. Anti maskers sometimes sound like children having a temper tantrum about being told that they have to eat their peas, rather than rational adults.
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rsack said:
So counter-propaganda IS propaganda. It is what it already is. So why create a new name for it? The people you describe that are using it are controlled opposition, right? It’s like the Alex Jones’s of the world. So, in effect, it is indeed the 2nd door by definition, no?
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3rd doorman said:
“counter-propagandize” was the term used before I entered the thread.
https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-116/#comment-149074
That is the idea I’m trying to build a critical stance against
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Wayne said:
There is attack and there is counterattack, both are attacks, but with a difference.
There is a pro side propaganda to push towards a goal created by the spooks. The team on offense.
To play a match there needs to be a team playing defense. Both teams are playing the same game, but with differing tactics.
Con side propaganda differs as it also black washes legitimate opposition to the pro propaganda, and at the same time pushes towards a fake con side goal created by the spooks.
Like with crossing a street or railroad tracks, one has to look both ways to be safe.
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Michael Deloatch said:
How does that old saw go? “The cobbler’s children run barefoot through the town…”
https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2021/09/03/search-teams-seek-missing-virginia-woman-in-glacier-national-park/
Wow, imagine the irony of taking a much-needed vacation to the Rockies from your job as a compliance honcho at the state department of health (a natural application of your JD, of course) during the world’s worst pandemic of all time and then finding yourself lost and dying even though your own parents are bigwigs at a foundation for missing and exploited people! Let us all respect the family’s privacy and ask no questions.
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Maria said:
In the UK, teenagers aged 12-15 years will be allowed to decide for themselves if they should take the Covid-19 vaccine or not. The state is now taking over the role of parenting.
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3rd doorman said:
“Nadhim Zahawi has said if 12 to 15-year-olds wanted to receive the jab and they were judged to be “competent” then their decision would override their parents’ wishes for them not to have it.”
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Patrick said:
How long will this Covid psyop continue? It seems crazy–to sane people–that it’s gone on for as long as it has, but here we are. The plan, though, seems to be a forever plan.
Albert Bourla, Pfizer Chairman of the Board & CEO, back in February, 2021:
“…there likely will be a need to boost regularly to maintain high levels of vaccine-elicited immune response.”
“I made some comments that within the COVID vaccine, I believe that COVID is — the dynamics in the COVID more and more indicate a potential that we will have a clearly repeated business. The reasons for that are multiple. Let me start by saying, in the beginning, we were waiting to see if the immunity will be durable. Now we still don’t have data about the immunity of our vaccine because it is early. But we do see that the people that have the disease, more and more publications indicate that after several months, the immune response goes down. So there is a need to boost.”
“… preparing ourselves so that we will produce in a very speedy time. I made publicly a statement that, that needs to be done end to end in less than 100 days to provide new booster vaccines that will protect against the new variant.”
New variants requiring new boosters forever? Israel seems to be all in. The so-called national coronavirus czar, Salman Zarka, has called for his country to start getting ready for the fourth dose. Four?! Just the start. “This is our life from now on, in waves,” he said.
_https://s21.q4cdn.com/317678438/files/doc_financials/2020/q4/PFE-USQ_Transcript_2021-02-02.pdf
https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-czar-calls-to-begin-readying-for-eventual-4th-vaccine-dose/
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Lio said:
“Our”? That’s -their- life from now on if they want it, I’ll live a different life over here on my plat of land.
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rolleikin said:
“How long will this Covid psyop continue? It seems crazy–to sane people–that it’s gone on for as long as it has, but here we are. The plan, though, seems to be a forever plan.”
Yes, I agree. It appears to be a forever plan. Endless virus “variants” requiring forced vax after vax and quarantine prisons for those who won’t. No one will have the “right” to refuse because they will be “a danger to others.” None of it will make sense or be legal but that won’t matter. What the paid-off “scientists” say is all that will matter. The truth is what they say is the truth and everything else is “misinformation.”
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alexrimmer0973 said:
@role that’s what they want you to think then they give you their solution. It’s always (long time) been this way.
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Patrick said:
“None of it will make sense or be legal but that won’t matter. What the paid-off “scientists” say is all that will matter.”
Exactly! 78% of Israelis aged 12 and over have received two shots of the Pfizer ‘vaccine’ so 78% if Israelis are vaccinated, one would think. One would be wrong, though, because Israel is “the first country to change the terms of the ‘get vaccinated and get your freedom back’ contract.” This was easily done, with Czar Zarka opening his hole and saying, “We are updating what it means to be vaccinated.”
Words already mean nothing to these people. The mRNA Voodoo Juice is not a vaccine but they call it a vaccine, so why not change “what it means to be vaccinated” with the stuff from two shots to three, or four or ten. Will the stupefied even notice?
“Think about it: Every Israeli citizen who gets sick and/or dies, after being double jabbed but not triple jabbed, will be officially labelled “not fully vaccinated”. They could therefore claim that Covid is primarily affecting “unvaccinated people”, even if the majority of people getting sick have had two doses of Pfizers mRNA cocktail.”
“Just as they used linguistic tricks to turn “deaths from any cause” into “Covid deaths”, and “asymptomatic positive tests” into “Covid cases”, they have now created a
loophole to turn “vaccinated people” who get sick into “unvaccinated people”.”
Israel is “experiencing one of its worst Covid outbreaks” and authorities are blaming it on the Dread Delta and the “waning effectiveness” of the vaxx. Interestingly, Prime Minister Bennett said that the “most vulnerable group right now are those people who have been inoculated with two doses and not the third…”. Hmmm. A slip of Bennett’s snaky tongue? The most vulnerable group should be the great unwashed unvaxxed if any of this shit they spew were true.
On the bright side, some Israelis are reportedly hacked off about all this. A cafe worker who has had two shots said, “Why are we the first country to do this?…
They are doing experiments on us.” At least she’s seeing a bit of the picture, two shots in.
https://www.livemint.com/science/health/in-israel-being-fully-vaccinated-now-means-three-shots-11630429447674.html
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Kevin said:
Israel puzzles me. Why would the PN so aggressively push the kill shot on its own people? Or are they in reality not connected at all to them?
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alexrimmer0973 said:
The Jews have been fcuked over for ever. There are no their own people or country or religion just tools to be used.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
Less than 75 percent of Israel has had 2 injections (much less I imagine if you count rich people who have just pretended to have them). That is no where near the rate of other vaccines, worth thinking about because the low take up rate and opposition to ‘the jab’ is not an accident.
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Boris Tabaksplatt said:
Yes, ~78% have had the m-RNA therapy, but Covid-19 infection rates are far higher than seen before…
Don’t think that Israeli citizens are going to take much more of this Convid nonsense.
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Kevin said:
Since the CONVID testing is a scam to begin with to me it’s pointless to rely on anything they publish. It’s hard to tell up from down in this entire psyop but perhaps that’s the point – they want to stir our minds and drive us crazy with all of their nonsensical proclamations. Dementia Joe yesterday said the unvaccinated need to step up and get the injection to protect the vaccinated. WTF? We really are living in an inverted perverted Clown World.
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virusmyth666 said:
I lost count the number of times I saw someone online defending
“masks forever”.
Let’s never forget that the whole corona-circus was only
possible because of people like those that not only paddled
along but also helped to fight those who refused to play along.
You can blame the PN, polititians, the media, the artists, digital influencers,
or whoever you wish, but the real culprits for this insanity are
the everyday sheep-joe.
It was them who created the critical mass needed to normalize this insanity.
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FiddleSticks said:
My Covid 19 test from last Thursday came back NEGATIVE, and my irritating cough is almost completely gone.
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Never Give In said:
@FiddleSticks
That’s great to hear 🙂
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Ali said:
@Jared Magneson
Sorry, i can’t reply to you directly below your comments so i will have to do that in here instead.
Also, i saw that i misspelled your name in my 1st comment(‘Magnuson’ instead of Magneson’), it was a mistake on my part, sorry again.
Ok now to be back on topic.
I’d like to begin with what you say here first :
“But your alarmist style of writing is ignoring the actual physics here, and it’s clear you haven’t read up on the topic of the Charge Field much. That’s not an insult, it’s a call to do just that. Learn what current is, what heat is. Miles’ papers explain all of that.”
But it is not only about physics here, it is about physiology, biology, life and as such to think that you can explain the functionality of a living cell simply by cutting it in part is a premise among many others.
Also, you guessed right !
I haven’t read much about the Charge Field and i will take you up on your advice.
I’ve been more interested on the history part of what Miles has brought on his site.
I will do that in due time since it is important to not get misconceptions on such subjects.
I’m with you on this part.
I will try to speak on your terms, make an effort but don’t expect me to be flawless.
In any case, if you see mistakes, you’re welcomed to make me notice them all.
You say :
“Heat DENSITY? Heat is already a density. It’s the amount of photons in a given volume. So you can’t have a density OF a density.”
So heat is the amount of photon in a given volume, okay.
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A better word to express what i wanted to imply here, was that the volume and the amount ‘of photons or accelerated electrons’ were unchanged in contact to the magnetic lenses.
Also that there must be accelerated electrons passing through the sample IN THE END even a little amount since the initial purpose of electron microscope is to get a better resolving power.
This is not about just seeing internal structures here, it is about seeing much more than a light microscope would allow normally without resorting to alter the overall cellular process, especially on LIVING things that certainly uses energy as photons(NOT ELECTRONS) in order to maintain there lifes and there is certainly a reason for that.
You continue in saying :
“And SEMs aren’t that crazy at all now, you really overblow the case.”
My mistake here, i wanted to talk about TEMs not SEMs since these lasts have been developed later and the image that i’ve showed was that of a SEM, again sorry about that.
My priority was to focus on the first tool used to observe viruses so that i can get to the root of the elaboration of the viral theory, i won’t reproduce the same mistake.
Have you worked on these tools(SEMs or TEMs) ?
I’m curious but you seem to imply that you did which i’m not contesting and i know that you know your stuff.
You say :
“How do we know this? Because the subjects’ temperature doesn’t soar, at all. It gets a little bit hotter but nowhere near as hot as you are implying, as we see in the CPU die SEM videos. It doesn’t melt or affect the subject at all, in that case transistors. It doesn’t damage those structures at all.”
A transistor doesn’t metabolise contrary to a cell, we do agree.
I will add that biology is not physics and that a little variation of temperature can alter the metabolic process of any living entity.
Also even if a living cell externally doesn’t show any signs of being harmed, a little too much current(only 10mA) applied, can certainly obstruct the metabolics process of a living cell like it does to a normal living person by causing superficial burns.
You add :
“So those electrons and photons may indeed cause damage to the cells and I of course don’t buy much of anything the mainstream says about viruses.”
I think i have to pinpoint to you more that what i am talking about here is that in THE END only electrons or accelerated photons are passing through the sample, so there is a certain quantity of current that is carried, that’s what interest me in those technics.
So it will disrupt the CHRONObiology of a living cell, its metabolism, even a handful of electrons can do that.
Then :
“Also magnets do not ATTRACT heat. Magnetism is a RESULT of photons, and there are no “attractions” in physical reality. Only fields of more or less repulsion.
Photons do not attract other photons.”
To be more precise here, i simply wanted to say that in the beginning like the end, the electrons had to get sufficient spins in order to generate a better resolving power and that the magnetic lenses certainly doesn’t disrupt the acceleration process a lot.
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Jared Magneson said:
Well I concur that electron tech would/will disrupt and potentially destroy LIVING tissue, especially at the nanoscale. I wasn’t naysaying you on that point. But the chief difference between a Scanning and Transmission electron microscope is simply where the subject is. In a SEM, the subject is at the bottom, and all “data” collected is via scattered photons bouncing from the subject. In a TEM, the subject is within the mechanism and all “data” is collected via photons below (or through) the subject.
In both cases, the electrons are colliding with the subject and spinning off, disrupting, or scattering the local photons. The electrons can collide with the detectors as well and fluoresce, but in any event it’s the photons being recorded by the receptors, just as with our eyes and most other receptors.
Modern SEMs and TEMs don’t require a ton of voltage, however. But yet, we still haven’t seen any COVID through one in realtime? That’s the crux of my argument, and as others have said if the existence of a new unique virus is false, then the premise for the entire operation was predicated on a lie.
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suntzufighting said:
The preparation of a sample for electron microscopy requires that it should be coated with gold, vacuum-deposited. It should be obvious that a sample thus prepared is subjected to processes that are guaranteed to interrupt life: hard vacuum and electroplating. Therefore any images of organisms captured in electron micrography only represents the sample as it was when “frozen” during the preparation. The image is derived from electrons(or photons, if you prefer) interacting with the conductive shell(vacuum-deposited gold). I stand to be corrected, since this is not my area of expertise, but I think this step should not be addressed.
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suntzufighting said:
Erratum: Should be addressed.
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3rd doorman said:
You got it, biology does not survive sample preparation. He literally implied 1000kV would be applied to the sample, which seems unlikely.
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Ali said:
@Jared Magneson
“In both cases, the electrons are colliding with the subject and spinning off, disrupting, or scattering the local photons. The electrons can collide with the detectors as well and fluoresce, but in any event it’s the photons being recorded by the receptors”
So at last electrons do have to collide with the sample for the observation purpose.
Also, you say that in the process the electrons do disrupt or scatter the local photons.
Interesting because by doing so it could be said that they prevent the cell studied to get access to these photons and using these for metabolic purpous.
And by the way,that could disrupt the ability of the cell to get access to their own internal energy.
“Modern SEMs and TEMs don’t require a ton of voltage, however.”
I have to be precise here, i’m focusing exclusively on the first alleged observation of viruses.
And that could have be done only through TEMs in the 30s.
Since these tools required High Voltage and that the electrons have the tendency to scatter throught molecules of air, the first observation had to be done in vacuum.
The sample of cell must be deprived of water in consequence.
So no water, no air two substances essentials for a cell to conduct metabolic process.
Ironically it is said by the virologist that since a virus doesn’t metabolise, it needs an host that can do so, a cell, but their first observation was done exactly by disrupting the cell metabolism..
Here lies the problem core, i think.
@suntzufighting
I completely agree with you on that.
It should be obvious that in the 30s, the experiments that had lead to elaborate the presumed existence of any viruses are not pertinent and thus the existence of any alleged viruses must not be take for granted at all.
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oregonmatt said:
@Jared
“there’s absolutely no scientific, technical, or medical reason these machines cannot detect and observe a “virus” in realtime, moving, replicating, and everything else.”
As far as I know, there is no viewing of live tissue or live processes with either TEM or SEM. Taking Wiki’s word for it (for now), here are the processes used to prepare a biological sample for viewing. This is specific to SEM’s Wiki article, subheading “Biological Samples”.
“For SEM, a specimen is normally required to be completely dry, since the specimen chamber is at high vacuum. Hard, dry materials such as wood, bone, feathers, dried insects, or shells (including egg shells can be examined with little further treatment, but living cells and tissues and whole, soft-bodied organisms require chemical fixation to preserve and stabilize their structure.”
“Fixation is usually performed by incubation in a solution of a buffered chemical fixative, such as glutaraldehyde, sometimes in combination with formaldehyde and other fixatives, and optionally followed by postfixation with osmium tetroxide. The fixed tissue is then dehydrated. Because air-drying causes collapse and shrinkage, this is commonly achieved by replacement of water in the cells with organic solvents such as ethanol or acetone, and replacement of these solvents in turn with a transitional fluid such as liquid carbon dioxide by critical point drying. The carbon dioxide is finally removed while in a supercritical state, so that no gas–liquid interface is present within the sample during drying.”
So, as with TEM, after the above invasive preparation processes,what is ultimately viewed by SEM may be markedly distorted compared to the live sample.
(Jared, I posted a link you might be interested in under the Josh/Vex discussion.)
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3rd doorman said:
Can you suggest a technology that images a “live sample” without marked distortion at the size range of a hypothesized of fabricated “mers-cov” or “exosome”? What other analysis methods are legit at this size scale, in your opinion?
Sem and Tem will obviously have limits, and there are actually many many ways to prepare samples. Glimpsing a shadow of a residue may still render usable data, especially at small sizes where other methods like light microscopy do not perform well.
“https://cemas.osu.edu/capabilities/sample-preparation”
This page lists equipment and some sample prep methodologies available, no cyro yet, but they are planning to have that.
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Jared Magneson said:
@3rd Doorman: The Tesacan devices I was referring to up above offer cryo. Not sure if you were saying the tech was forthcoming or that site was saying it’s forthcoming for them, but the devices exist for sale and use currently.
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Ray said:
A cell existing within our living body and one removed for observation; apples and oranges.
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Vexman said:
There is a better way to do live sample observations. One of the geniuses, Raymond Rife, developed a special microscope, that operates in the darklight spectrum and has huge magnification of up to 30000 diameters.
Check out the Rife’s #3 microscope, so-called Universal microscope, from around 1930’s. It was allegedly destroyed along with its blueprints, but I’ve found two enthusiasts, who have managed to locate this engineering piece of wonder and have begun the restoration work on it in order to bring it back to function.
*http://www.pulsedtechresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Rife-Microscope-Holman-Dorneanu-2009.pdf
Scientific community of 1930’s and 40’s knew about the disadvantage of electrone microscopy on live samples.
Rife was dedicated to cancer cells research and here’s what he belived to be true after years of experimentation: “In reality, it is not the bacteria themselves that produce the disease, but we believe it is the chemical constituents of these micro-organisms enacting upon the unbalanced cell metabolism of the human body that in actuality produce the disease. We also believe if the metabolism of the human body is perfectly balanced or poised, it is susceptible to no disease.”
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3rd doorman said:
Cryo prep techniques exist, but I haven’t investigated. Seems expensive perhaps, enough that a university can’t just buy one and be done with it.
Thanks Vexman, I’ve researched the rife device. I think that man was very ambitious and I do hope I can see a restored device or even just a true scientific investigation of what techniques he used.
I think the rife device should be restored. I read that he would spend hours focusing, this would be a prime area for machine vision and some basic automation, autofocus etc. Different wavelengths of radiation, different strategies to focus them, we have come a long way. We have video tech and software manipulation/enhancements that Rife may not have hoped to have access to.
Science also must learn and move forward with ways to exceed even what Rife claims to have done, nobody seems to be able yet.
Science funding, publication, academia, government, and even scientists themselves are compromised. Miles has covered it extensively and I cannot assume any science is actually un-self-interested. It too often serves profit making schemes. Its possible the controllers behind the scene stood to lose money if Rife’s methods became known and used widely, I don’t know.
Crowdfunding of scientific research like this may be an answer, another reason to feed the web kitty. You don’t post a link so I assume its a private endeavor, perhaps they could use more security personel to fend off the haters!
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3rd doorman said:
Sorry, vexman did post a link.
And @ray, are those apples and oranges connected to a tree, or are they “picked”? Seems like you would specify such details if you were going to have a serious discussion. Also human cells are not apples or oranges, perhaps there is something more precise you can say, instead of pointing out our ignorance.
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Jared Magneson said:
Ray’s comment was meaningless. An apple is still an apple, immediately upon fruiting, while growing, once plucked, and even when being prepared for food. Applesauce.
An apple does not become an orange once plucked. An orange does not become an apple. A cell is still THAT cell, whether in its living host and fully alive itself, or extracted, or dead. Your statement was just nonsense, son.
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3rd doorman said:
Jared, you are calling me son. Second person to call me a name on this page, Rsack above with “2ndDoorman”. lets focus on ideas and cut fog.
Anyway, cells living in the body ARE different from cells removed from the body, but the apples/oranges analogy is a fail. Ray offers no alternative direction of inquiry, he is vague. What are the REAL differences, worth discussing.
Also here is a paragraph on “post harvest” “fruit metabolism”
“https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpls.2020.00080/full”
Fruit nutrient content post harvest is not well studied, but see senescence:
https://horticultures.net/maturity-ripening-senescence/
For sure bottled apple sauce is not the same as an apple freshly picked, and an apple on the tree is also different. Stored/transported at various temperatures and fruit metabolism changes. For an orange its probably different, and for other fruit as well.
Lets focus on the fact that we CAN study cells outside the body, and our ability to study cells IN the body is limited. Also cells removed from the body for study are NOT necessarily going to exhibit processes they would while in the body. I asked Ray directly, Jared, since he seems to be gloating over our ignorance.
Enlighten us Ray.
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Ray said:
The context of this particular thread, Jared, is that Ali would further try to persuade Josh of the shortcomings of viral theory by pointing out the corrupting effect on a cell viewed through an electron microscope. Even if an entirely pure and passive technique could achieve the same resolution, the cell´s removal from the living host is a distinct and different entity from that which operates within the body. So that wouldn´t necessarily be a strong argument against viral theory since conclusions would be drawn through the same theory-laden observations. Approaching disease through a holistic view of the terrain is beyond the purview of the allopathic model, since it would have to, at the very least, admit its abject failure, undermine the business of selling medicine, and venture into the realm of non-materialistic thinking in order to have a proper conception of “health”– the “poised metabolism of the human body” as Vexman eloquently cited.
I don´t believe either you or 3rd Doorman need anyone to hold your hands in order to draw the reasonable inference from what “apples and oranges” meant, despite the deliberately obtuse responses.
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3rd doorman said:
“https://www.seleneriverpress.com/images/pdfs/872_RIFE_MICROSCOPE_FACTS_&_THEIR_FATE_REPRINT_47.pdf”
is a cite for Vexman’s quote.
In respect to our readers, Ray’s response seems to have posted before mine, but mine was slotted in above, so he does not address my post I think.
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Jared Magneson said:
@3rd Doorman: Read it again. Read my last comment slowly this time, and pay particular attention to the part where I was addressing you.
You will find that it’s just another “virus”, and does not exist.
@Ray: Thank you for taking the time to clarify. Your analogy is still wrong, but I see where you are coming from now that you’ve expanded on the topic. Perhaps it’s a language thing and not your native tongue. It doesn’t matter, it was just funny is all.
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rolleikin said:
Nurses speak out about vax mandates:
(disclaimer: source is healthimpactnews.com which may be spookish)
https://rumble.com/vm3d7o-crisis-in-america-millions-of-nurses-are-resigning-or-being-fired-over-covi.html
I am highly skeptical of the “millions of nurses” claim but what these nurses have to say seems worth hearing.
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Benjamin said:
Source may be dodgy, but the people certainly seem real.
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Gerard Nordskoven said:
PhD’s represent the largest anti-fax demographic. Autocorrect…
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rainierguy said:
I don’t mind sharing that my wife is an RN in Washington State and has been since before I met her in 2006. Yes, her job is on the chopping block right now and yes we are facing a lot of uncertainty with my employer as well. Her situation is even more ridiculous as she works from home as a legal nurse.
Here’s the thing; I cant stress enough how she feels about vaccines. There is NO possibility of her ever accepting some unknown mRNA shot. Her years in the ER watching children react to regular vaccines are more than enough.
It’s going to be interesting in WA if everyone starts getting fired at once.
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rsack said:
I talked to a woman (nurse) in a bar the other day, and she said she’s against the shot, but her clinic is saying get the shot or lose her job. I said they’re bluffing, but she was skeptical. She said there was a class-action suit, but each participant needs to pay $1000 retainer fee, and she said she couldn’t afford that. I can’t believe these lawyers would be collecting $1000 per participant. That sounds off to me. I told her to stay strong, but it sounded like she was going to cave and get the poison clot-shot when all was said and done.
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stonesmasher said:
“Joining a class action lawsuit should not cost you anything in most cases. The only plaintiff who may have out-of-pocket expenses in class action litigation is the class representative, and even this is rare.” From here https://www.gacovinolake.com/faqs/does-joining-a-class-action-lawsuit-cost-me-anything/ Law firm site,annoying pop-ups.
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rsack said:
Sounds like someone is giving this woman bad information.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
In my experience class actions are ‘free’. Paid as a percentage of winnings. Reminder to self chase up money from Paralowie toxic findings. Anyone else who lives near the RAAF base (Adelaide) should do the same.
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Patrick said:
“I talked to a woman…”
An agent spreading bogosities? Miles says they’re everywhere (agents and bogosities).
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stonesmasher said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/27/denmark-to-lift-all-remaining-covid-restrictions-on-10-september Rewarding the obedient dog with a biscuit.
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Lewis reid said:
Not the 11th? They missed a trick there, surely?
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alexrimmer0973 said:
I have suggested 11 September is the official start date of phase 2, although the date itself isn’t important it’s the 18 months to train everyone in the new normal that is important. No one likes the new normal and vaccines are not the solution is what ‘they’ will push. I suggest from reading agenda 2030 crap it will be tracking (how invasive for now is up for debate and how voluntary in different trade zones). Just one small trade zone one little spook country and it will roll from there. And not everything is about America or Europe.
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eksleja88 said:
Regarding whether viruses exist or not, I found this video enlightening:
“https://brandnewtube.com/watch/the-final-refutal-of-virology_qI429ODGLmoRotN.html”
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3rd doorman said:
Thanks, I’ve seen that, but it is not sufficient.
It is asserted that viral particles must be isolated from a sick person to prove “existence”. NO, viral particles can be isolated from the environment or anywhere else! Bacteria could be used to show infection or pathogenicity “phenomenon” at the scale of the visibile light microscope!
To prove viral activity in a person, then you sample a person, but “existence” can be well studied without a “person”. Animals! we don’t even need to harm the animal if we use their cells. At the scale of a visible light microscope!
Also, an “isolate” of viral particles without anything else, is not currently possible! This implies the virus cannot be suspended in water? Too restrictive!
Can Steven Lanka isolate a biologically active intact particle the size of a virus, to a high degree of purity? Perfect purity? If he can’t, has no method to do so, can not reference somebody in human history who has, then is he asking for technolgoical innovation here? Refutation fails twice in first minute.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
Agreed but we can easily show that there is zero evidence of viruses existing . You can never prove something does not exist. That includes demons dragons invisible elves etc. There is no way to prove viruses dont exist but it is easy to prove virus theory is incorrect as has been done many times. They have already unwound some past supposed viruses in the mainstream, I would think after they unwind polio they may let the whole paradigm collapse slowly (and replace it with something else) as they have with many others.
It can also be demonstrated that there is zero evidence of contagion in any known experiment. It can also be shown (and was in the Wuhan experiment that a positive rtpcr test was completely unrelated to illness although I would suspect it is possible to find some rna somewhere that is more prevalent in sick populations of some animal as yet it has not been done to my knowledge)
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3rd doorman said:
“we can easily show that there is zero evidence of viruses existing”
“it is easy to prove virus theory is incorrect as has been done many times”
It is not “easy”, I disagree strongly.
BRING one of those critiques that “has been done many times”, not “terrain” or nutrition/toxicology. Attack directly the evidence for viral activity, or infection, in any cell not just humans. I want a link to text if possible, in a new thread, video is cumbersome.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
@3Rd door
I can’t ‘attack’ the evidence because there is none. There is no experiment showing evidence of contagion outside of injecting poison into things, which is obviously not evidence of contagious viruses. There is no experiment showing evidence of increased illness in people or animals who test positive (by any test) to any virus or to people or animals that are put in contact with a supposed carrier (lots of sick chickens in a factory farm obviously does not count as evidence of contagion any more than lots of ducks with shotgun wounds) I will add evidence of contagion would not constitute evidence of a virus but I would still like to see it just out of curiosity. There are no pictures of any virus except as cellular debris (looking nothing like what they are supposed to look like according to mainstream). There is no evidence of any of the supposed mechanisms of virology existing. Like the religion of Scientology (and all others except for the one the reader of this follows) there is simply no evidence of anything too attack.
There is illness which is real and the rest is just a fictional story that we are all taught to believe in and do do with zero evidence. Most things I have ever believed and still do were just a story told to me without evidence.
Some of the story might be true or it might not, that’s why I would like to see some evidence and have been looking for almost 2 years. All I have found is poisoning animals or cells and calling it a virus and I know I caught something off my cousin. Surely there must be more than that otherwise there is no way so many could believe.
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Graham said:
@Alex
“Surely there must be more than that otherwise there is no way so many could believe.”
Reluctantly, think the experiences of the last two years have shown us otherwise. Based on nothing but television reports, faked stats and a lot of actors, vast numbers of the population consented to the removal of their freedoms and livelihoods without so much as a wimper in most cases.
People do readily believe based on pre existing trust, not on evidence.
Its the easy way to get along, trusting someone, rather than interrogating evidence.
Personally I think you will search for ever trying to find evidence of germ theory. Pasteur tried his heart out but had to fake results to support the theory he had decided to push.
Until people get their heads round pleomorphism, theres very little point in them trying to understand “contagion”
Its like trying to understand the double slit experiment without the charge field. Look where that mess led science!
I do really wish germ theory was correct though, and like you continue to seek evidence. If it were correct I could take comfort in the thought that simpletons sometimes get it right, and the pharmacuetical industry really does love us.
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3rd doorman said:
“it is easy to prove virus theory is incorrect as has been done many times” seems to be leading to
“I can’t ‘attack’ the evidence because there is none.”
Ignore the floating text, can you say you recognize anything ‘real’ in this apparent video of a still image? Does it look like an electron micrograph to you or is it some kind of pure fake with nothing real in it?
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Jared Magneson said:
It is STYLED like an electron graph, but as many others have pointed out they cannot use those on “live” cultures for various reasons. So now all of a sudden they can TEM or SEM a(n apparently) living organism, watching things happen? And if the cells are “inoculated”, then why is any of that occurring at all? They are “put into packets”, by what mechanism? Who is packeting them, and why? ;P
The noise (grit, grain) in the video is something often associated with these kinds of images – but I’m here to show and claim otherwise. It’s actually the OPPOSITE. It CAN BE a tell-tale sign of CGI rendering with photon/raytracing “progressive” renderers, such as Vray, Mantra, or many others. I use Vray for my profession, inside of Maya. What happens is, as you start rendering, the image is VERY noisy, and then as the computer/graphics card processes the data, the noise gets lower and lower until you achieve a clearer, cleaner image. In most, you would set the noise threshold and/or time allowed to achieve clarity, for example.
So on my current art project, the INITIAL rendering pass looks like this:
And as it progresses, the clarity emerges more and more and a few minutes into the render it looks like this:
Now if we were to swap out the geometry of that stairwell for a kind of “2D” mess of blobbies, particles, and things that look more organic, it seems like it would be very easy to mimic or replicate that style. One could simply set the frame time to, say, 3 seconds per frame and every frame would be really noisy like that. The grain would just happen “naturally” as part of the rendering process, as the data-photons are being calculated.
So in that video, I am skeptical that we are seeing any ‘Rona at all. It looks OLD, actually. That could simply be a video microscan of something else entirely or just fucking dirt for all we know. Obviously I am biased here and won’t pretend otherwise, but I don’t see anything there that indicates a new, “novel”, unique virus that is destroying anything at all. It could literally be dirt. A zoomed-in (regular) microscope video of some soil and water sample. But again, I am biased and don’t suggest anyone else share those biases.
It could be any number of physiological entities, and their scale could just be false outright.
And thanks for sharing that, 3rd Door. I’ve been trying to find similar stuff for awhile, to dissect and analyze.
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oregonmatt said:
3rd Doorman-
“I can’t ‘attack’ the evidence because there is none.” That sums it up regarding the viral narrative.
The slide looks like thousands of other TEM photos. Taken after the “specimen” has gone through all the preparation steps previously discussed here. What wasn’t mentioned before is that the final product is an ultra-thin slice of the dried, chemicalized specimen, and that is what is pictured in the micrograph.
And what do we see? According to their story, this micrograph was taken of material drawn from the genetic soup used to poison the cell culture Possibly we see the border of a cell, and lots of other vesicles…Of course this slide was chosen for publication because “they” liked the looks of stuff in it that could nicely fit their viral story, so they, as we would expect, with NO EVIDENCE, tell the world this shows us the dirty virus.
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oregonmatt said:
I didn’t realize at first that the pic above was a “video”. However, just a video made up of a number of still TEM micrographs strung together in order to show more geography of the specimen slice being looked at.
My comments above still apply in full.
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Jared Magneson said:
Indeed, OregonMatt – the only thing “moving” in that “video” is the noise. They really try to make you think it’s actual video footage – which they are fully capable of, if they were using a real TEM or SEM, as we’ve seen in the footage from those CPU dies happening in realtime. The devices are fully able to record video, in fact made especially TO do so.
So I’m in concurrence at this point on this topic, for what that’s worth. Real biological material or not, it has satisfied my need for reasonable doubt on this topic. They are showing us things that fit the narrative but don’t betray them TOO far, and to anyone undiscerning those things look legitimate.
But since they lie about literally every damn thing ever, I think disbelief should be the starting point, not the other way around. Nothing I’ve seen here or anywhere else is remotely convincing, in the same fashion that nothing we see in the physics “world” is remotely convincing either, after having my eyes opened by Miles and his acute lens. I see no reason not to doubt mainstream biology in the same fashion.
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3rd doorman said:
So anyway, Jared, OregonMatt. It was a worthwhile question to ask alexrimmer if there was anything even real in the footage. He is silent I notice
Good luck finding strong allies who can refute virus theory! Jared, I hope your art projects help you to find your new “son”. but sorry I don’t care to roll play like that. Also thanks for this https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-115/#comment-146894
Knowing your other “chief reason” settled any doubts that I had.
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Jared Magneson said:
@3rd Doorman: Oh, so now you’re mad that I didn’t call you “son”? So upset you can’t even spell, “role”. Taste the tears. ;P
Anyway, there’s no need to find allies at all on this topic. Wherever you’re coming from, it’s certainly a pedantic place and that also amuses me. You mad, bro.
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eksleja88 said:
What the hell is this?
“https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms/”
Check 42.
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suntzufighting said:
The answer to life? Dent, Arthur Dent, can you confirm?
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eksleja88 said:
42.10 “in the event of the occurrence (certified by the United States Centers for Disease Control or successor body) of a widespread viral infection transmitted via bites or contact with bodily fluids that causes human corpses to reanimate and seek to consume living human flesh, blood, brain or nerve tissue and is likely to result in the fall of organized civilization.”
Which reminds me of the CDC Zombie Apocalypse preparedness that they said was a tongue-in-cheek addition to their website.
Anyhow, why include something so ludicrous in official terms of service?
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Michael Deloatch said:
Thanks for clarifying the specific section. Last night late I followed that link and didn’t understand what you were getting at.
Lumberyard sounds kind of fun but since it seems to be windows and apple only it ain’t for the likes of me…
Give CDC name a literal parse and voila! with respect to covid. I.e., centers of excellence to control mankind via disease. Just like “servo control” means controlling via servo, not controlling a servo.
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Dent Arthur Dent said:
Yes, 42!
I’ve begun to wonder if yet another of Douglas Adams’ stories is actually true. In THGGTG (The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy), Earth was created as a giant living computer designed to solve the question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. All living things were components of that experiment including man. Then, the Golgafrinchans came and screwed it up. The Golgafrinchans may be the Phoenicians.
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auntjemima@gmx.com said:
All of 42.10 in one sentence. “Don’t rely on the Lumberyard Materials for critical systems.” Period.
The rest of the verbiage is there to see if anyone reads all the way through it.
Not novel, not spooky, it’s traditional Geek humor amidst required legalese.
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3rd doorman said:
Horse paste is a meme now. I hope it brightens your day a bit.
Anti-pasters like the rolling stone have been caught red handed publishing fake news. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/rolling-stone-horse-dewormer-hit-piece-debunked-after-hospital-says-no-ivermectin scan down to “rolling”.
Cdc recommends ivermectin as a “presumptive” therapy for immigrants from areas where parasites are endemic. Inventor of mRNA tech Robert Malone is getting in on the rhetorical curb stomping of an obvious anti-ivermectin psyop.
“https://mobile.twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1435019701730619394”
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-ot-LIX0AUAgp6?format=jpg&name=small
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mantalo said:
funny that …
malone is the name of the hero of Steve Berry’s books
Not robert malone, but cotton malone, in homage to cottoners perhaps … or to weavers.
and in “The Alexandria Link”, a protagonist, guardian of the Alexandria Library, (not destroyed by the bad guys as we are led to believe), says to Malone:
words are weapons of mass destruction
no need for virus when you have the words ….
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Michael Deloatch said:
I am allergic to horses and last was on horseback approximately 50 years ago, so I didn’t even know there was such a thing as horse paste. I was vaguely aware that glue came from horses.
I plugged “Ivermectin horse paste” into the anagram engine and discovered the following wonderful topical poetry
A mentor perceives this:
Oh, invert masterpieces.
Vehemence rots a Spirit.
Perceives him as rotten.
A thin creeper’s motives:
A cheerier misstep on TV.
Irrespective, Shot! Amen!
Receive a spent rim shot.
TV Preacher, I seem to sin!
Preacher’s tiniest move:
Overripe chastisement,
A receptive shit sermon.
Escape Mr. Tether-Vision!
A shit mover’s epicenter.
Thine romp eviscerates
In a retrospective mesh.
Voter-machineries’ pest,
Mrs Veep’s theoretician.
Her steamiest vice: porn.
Satiric monster veep, eh?
Impeachers’ riot events.
The mercenaries’ pivots.
Treacheries spit venom.
Temperance, eh, visitors?
Their men service a spot
(Men to service a hipster).
A rim protectiveness, eh?
Epic Thieves, Mr Senator!
Maya Angelou, eat your heart out…
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benjamin said:
This is remarkable!
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Michael Deloatch said:
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3rd doorman said:
The topic is fake news, and how we have clear evidence of fake news around ivermectin.
Mantalo, Michael, irrelevant offtopic tangents resemble techniques I’m sure are cautioned against by Josh and the “gentlemans guide to forum spooks”.
“Rein” that in a bit maybe, it will help me cut fog.
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Jared Magneson said:
Every comment is “offtopic” and “tangent” for nearly 20,000 messages now. Nobody is here to help YOU cut the fog. If you’re so sure they are cautioned against by Josh, why not just let him moderate things?
Your comment reeked of censorship and self-servient drivel to me. I’m happy to agree with you on all manner of polemics here, but let’s not go choppin’ each others knees off out of hand. Ivermectin as a medicine is still far, vastly more relevant than any of the fakeccines ever have been – at least it treats something, instead of causing something far worse with no potential benefits at all. At least it’s not a LIE. I don’t find it magical or important but nobody is “mandating” it and there isn’t an entire death-cult religion based around it destroying the entire human world, so it seems like a relatively safe thing in comparison.
It’s a current event. People are looking for other answers, and sick of the Jabby shit. I find it refreshing, personally.Essentially anyone looking into another treatment is expressing distrust for the Covidian Cult, and at this point it seems like if that’s their breakaway, their “out”, then it seems worth delving into if not outright supporting it.
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3rd doorman said:
Censorship is corrent, its Josh’s, everyone was cautioned:
https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2020/04/09/a-warning-to-forum-spies/
“Anybody whose behavior in comments resembles these tactics will NOT be given the benefit of the doubt. I would ask the readers here to remind themselves of these tactics so they can help me spot them and also avoid being falsely accused [PLEASE NOTE, THE LAST THING I WANT IS PEOPLE ACCUSING EACH OTHER OF BEING SPOOKS — JUST WRITE ME AN E-MAIL WITH YOUR OBSERVATION AND LET ME TAKE CARE OF IT]:”
“Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity.”
And no, I’m not calling anybody a spook. I’m saying they “resemble” a “tactic” whether intentional or not. So calm your horses. Some long list of anagrams, or some 50 synonyms one on each line, is problematic for REASONS that Josh introduced and I am merely referencing. Topicality and relevence are rewarding and productive no matter how many times you call me “son” Jared.
To Tomgaby and Benjamin, see how far we have gotten offtopic? If Mantalo or Deloatch wanted to start a new thread and expound on their tangential offerings I have no problem with it, but in my thread is a polite request for topical and relevent participation.
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Benjamin said:
I can’t believe it has gotten to this, but since it has… I didn’t call Michael’s list of anagrams remarkable because I felt it revealed anything particularly insightful, or cut through the fog – but remarkable as a piece of wordplay – how a string of anagrams from one word can produce a coherent 28 line poem. If we didn’t know in advance it was an anagram, I wonder how many would immediately spot it? I appreciate the guys humour. Surely we’re not going to rip each others throats off for a bit of fun? Also, given his reply and your post were both on the same topic – horse paste – I fail to see how it is off topic. Maybe not what you were hoping for, but each has their own character. Now I know want to know how Coronald feels about it.
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3rd doorman said:
Speaking of wordplay, we have:
“let’s not go choppin’ each others knees off out of hand”
and
“we’re not going to rip each others throats off for a bit of fun”
bit dramati
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3rd doorman said:
c
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Stephen said:
I rather enjoy the often offtopic but entertaining tangents of folks like mantalo, Michael Deloatch, Gerard et al. I don’t think they are forum-sliding/thread-hijacking. This stuff can get pretty depressing and it’s nice to segue into a belly laugh now and again. Raymond D used to do that, too.
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3rd doorman said:
To Steven, and directed only to Steven: Kevin is invited to participate since he liked Steven’s post, offer a viewpoint if you think its constructive Kevin.
Why use the term thread hijacking? I offered Josh’s clear guidelines, its called topic dillution. It demonstrates a hindrance on productive activity according to the owner of ths forum. Its a strawman, I didn’t use that term and Josh didn’t either.
You put an emphasis on your enjoyment, staving off your depression from “stuff”, and your experience of a nice seque, and your belly laughs.I’m sure others might share your thoughts on this, but my opinion differs, and I expressed it.
Look at the dramatic language Jared and Benjamin used to describe my actions. I’m compared to a knee capping throat ripper? You don’t see anything strange there?
It resembles AGAIN, a tactic.
Mantalo or Deloatch can start a new thread to do their thing. Why ignore that obviously workable compromise? Mantalo and Deloatch are still silent on that compromise, does that not seem a bit strange? Deloatch posted another poem. . . .yawn.
My perspective is that this is an important topic, that a drug with therapeutic effects is being surpressed with fda and cdc lies, overruling physicians with a proven track record of harm reduction, with fake news that is then proven fake. THAT leads to suffering and death. I’m sorry you find that depressing, you can skip/ignore it.
Steven, take another look at this. I didn’t get one ontopic or relevant post, on a relevant fake news topic that effects mortality and fear levels. During our current crisis, it can break open cracks in vaccine coercion. If its not useful to a MM inspired forum on fake news, something seems a little off.
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Kevin said:
@3rd – I think you are being overly sensitive here. I’m only agreeing with Stephen’s sentiment that the injection of humor into these discussions can alleviate some of the stress that many of us feel in both discussing and dealing with this stupid, sloppy yet tragic and lethal pandemic hoax. I appreciate your contributions for the most part, but I’ll admit that at times I lose track of the points you are trying to make which can be difficult tease out of your sometimes confusing delivery. I myself don’t think you are thread hijacking or forum sliding, and I feel pretty much the same about most all of the current/regular commenters on this site.
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3rd doorman said:
It was topic dillution, Josh’s guidelines, and I was not the one being accused.
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Michael Deloatch said:
One nice feature about my avatar is if you see the blue mask it can be an additional cue to simply avert your gaze and scroll past without reading. I will put a trigger warning ahead of any future posts that might risk melting special snowflakes.
Please fasten your chin strap to avoid jaw dislocation. The “poem” I posted actually first went to moderation and therefore was approved and released by the owner of this blog. I venture to say he was broadly aware of his own parameters and guidelines at that time.
Far be it from me to dilute anybody’s beer or their topic. I cannot help that there is a 5,000 pound gorilla in our parlor crowding out every other current event. The hubris level is off all scales, and there are days it all really starts to get to me. I am sure it does others, too.
About half a year ago, I was in similar hot water with an apprentice gatekeeper at CTTF, at which time I wrote this here:
“I have clarified before that the silly videos I put together I have shared here merely to maybe give a chuckle or two to others of like mind. It is the only way I know how to meet the popular culture by which everyone is so entrained on their own TERMS. If I can create the sound of a fourth rate garage band and put obvious plays on words to old pop songs with a Corona spin, I am pleased. The real message of those is that everything is a baloney construct on a screen and people shouldn’t be so piously enraptured by it.”
On another occasion, I wrote here that finding you get “China Fraud Tony” from “Dr Anthony Fauci” has to be a message from the gods intrinsic in the design of our universe in anticipation of this age, so I perhaps toy with anagrams excessively. I just found it intriguing several days ago that “Invermetcin Horse Paste” a phrase I plucked randomly for the anagram engine could yield enough material to assemble a coherent set of observations about this grand ol’ psy-opry. Again, to me that is the universe’s Creator telling us all something, not any cleverness of Michael DeLoatch. I also do not think I am putting Wordsworth or Petrarch or my ancestor Francois Villon out of business.
If my comments or those of anyone get under your skin, put the damn phone down, power off the computer, and get outside and soak up the creation in which we live.
I have said too much and don’t care to beat this horse or its paste any further.
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3rd doorman said:
Michael, your chin strap needs tight’ning.
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Ali said:
@Vexman
You raise a very important point :
“RIFE was dedicated to cancer cells research and here’s what he BELIEVED to be true after years of experimentation: “In reality, IT IS not the bacteria themselves that produce the disease, but we believe it is the chemical constituents of these micro-organisms enacting upon THE UNBALANCED CELL METABOLISM of the human body THAT IN ACTUALITY PRODUCE THE DISEASE. We also believe if the metabolism of the human body is perfectly balanced or poised, it is susceptible to no disease.”
Your quote come from this book, i believe : 1988. Immunization-The Reality Behind the Myth. Walene James, page 80
You can find this part, here : https://books.google.fr/books?id=EQHPoGs6CvIC&pg=PA76&hl=fr&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
On this topic, i may add that the same RIFE also stated, just after what you have quoted of him, that :
“WE HAVE IN MANY INSTANCES PRODUCE ALL THE SYMPTOMS OF A DISEASE CHEMICALLY in experimental animals WITHOUT THE INOCULATION OF ANY VIRUS OR BACTERIA INTO THEIR TISSUES”
In the same book, page 81, Dr Bisking precise his thought on viruses saying :
“I would carry this thought one step further TO DESCRIBE VIRUSES AS ABERRANT NUCLEOPROTEINS WHICH MAY ARISE IN THE CHEMICALLY OR PHYSICALLY DAMAGED CELL..”
So a virus in our modern world is simply the process in which the metabolism of a cell has been impaired, more precisely we should talk about the poisoning of the cell.
The chemist simply reverse its interpretation of the process and the result by equating the intentional poisoning of a cell to a presumed virus.
I may add that since viruses can’t metabolise and need a cell that do so for functioning, it confirms that any photo of any viruses doesn’t constitute at all a proof that they indeed exist outside the observation field.
Now we do agree that the first alleged observations of any viruses had been conducted in the 30s on TEMs(Transmission Electron Microscopes) which required for the cell, preparations(no air, no water) that prevent it to metabolise.
So i may ask again :
Why in the 30s, did the virologist community establish the presumed existence of viruses(on TEMs)with cell whose metabolic process had been hindered and at the same time tell us that a virus need a cell that metabolise in order to function, replicate, develop ?
Well here lies the problem core.
Finally about the vaccines, for me the purpose is simply to imbalance your metabolism and if your metabolism is sufficiently impaired well, any disease could happen, like the autism SPECTRUM disorder..
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Ali said:
“You got it, biology does not survive sample preparation. He literally implied 1000kV would be applied to the sample, which seems unlikely.”
Sorry about that, i didn’t express myself very well on this one.
Again it is my mistake.
Of course 1000kV wouldn’t be applied directly to the sample but here what i wanted to say is that this potential voltage necessarily does associate itself with a current, a flow of electrons i may say.
This potential therefore do translate in the velocity of the electrons that come through the sample.
And i don’t think the velocity and the spins of the electrons is affected much by the distance between the electron gun and the sample and the magnetic condenser lenses in between since in the end you need a better resolving power so a better acceleration of the photons which results in high accelerated electrons (so a relatively high current for a living sample).
I think you already know that a current as elevated as 0.5mA can invonluntarily make your muscles contract.
Of course there are other factors like duration but here the current goes through the sample, so..
The metabolic process of a cell would be halted by a current flow as little as 0.5mA, that is what i’m saying.
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Ali said:
This message is for 3rd doorman
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Jared Magneson said:
I think your message makes sense and would agree that electron microscopes are in general not great for biological sampling – but at 70nm (the alleged size of the viruses) I don’t think ANY of that should be a problem. Either they can observe these things in action or they can’t, and so far, that cannot. Have not shown us, anyway. Nobody has ever seen these things happen and the litany of excuses is as you and others have presented it – they are “drawbacks” to the electron microscope process, allegedly. Although none of those drawbacks exist outside biology, for these microscopes.
Also, a quick aside – the photons are not being accelerated. They are already moving at light speed. Focused, sure, to propel the electrons along the desired path. But just as with electricity and magnetism, the photons (charge) are the underlying factor and also the only way we can OBSERVE anything at all visibly, so it’s important to track and follow their paths and effects, spin-ups and -downs, and that usually tells us best what is happening.
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Ali said:
“but at 70nm (the alleged size of the viruses) I don’t think ANY of that should be a problem.”
Alright, let’s admit that a beam of electrons doesn’t alter the stability of the photons inside the cell, that i don’t agree.
“Also, a quick aside – the photons are not being accelerated. They are already moving at light speed. Focused, sure, to propel the electrons along the desired path. But just as with electricity and magnetism, the photons (charge) are the underlying factor and also the only way we can OBSERVE anything at all visibly, so it’s important to track and follow their paths and effects, spin-ups and -downs, and that usually tells us best what is happening.”
And like you say, i will also take into account the fact that there is no acceleration of photons at all JUST A CHANGE OF SPINS which is the results of a collision between those photons if i understand correctly.
Okay, but what i am trying to say is that even a simple change of spins could alter the internal stability of a cell which you may know has its own order consisting of photons with their own spins.
Those spins are essential for the cell to conduct energy exchange AT THE RIGHT PACE.
A simple change of the spins of those photons whose change has been caused by an electron beam could result in a metabolic alteration and an internal excitation of the cell.
This doesn’t change that and i’m not even talking about the preconditions in which a cell has to be brought in order to be examined inside those machine.
“Although none of those drawbacks exist outside biology, for these microscopes.”
Which i agree Jared, don’t worry i’m only concerned about biology.
I know that these drawbacks doesn’t amount when we are dealing with semi conductors, transistors, electronic components, crystals, minerals.
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rolleikin said:
This is the Taliban flag:
Does it remind you of anything?
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suntzufighting said:
Maybe if you posted in white on a green field it may jarr my memory.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Yes, the time at a corporate retreat about 10 years ago when they surprised us with a post-dinner team-builder game and I got elected by my group as spokesperson and realized I was too drunk to read what they had written on our easel… the words looked very similar to that suddenly.
Spike protein? Guy Fawkes mask? The J-word kinda sorta at the lower left? Fish hooks?
You got me this time, Rolleikin!
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Lio said:
“One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them”
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Gerard Nordskoven said:
Tom Hanks’ notes on a cocktail napkin in “VOLUNTEERS.”
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Michael Deloatch said:
Tom Hanks’ hanky when he had the big C last year…
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rolleikin said:
You mean to tell me that this doesn’t remind you of anything?
And you call yourselves conspiracy theorists?!?!
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Dent Arthur Dent said:
Nike swooshes? Just go for it, or I keel you!
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Dent Arthur Dent said:
I also see the stylized W for Walgreens drug store.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Oh, I think those are three ALIF’s.
So, A-A-A — the American Automobile Association? They are gonna need AAA over there when all those hummers breakdown and they can’t get OEM spares.
Per my most rudimentary understanding of arabic orthography and pronunciation, I think three ALIF’s would roughly equal in English clearing one’s throat three times. So I should be reminded of post-nasal drip as a COVID symptom?
Or maybe you mean “666” hanging out with twin towers? Nah, can’t see that at all…
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Boris Tabaksplatt said:
The nos(es) have it… If jhew know what I mean.
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Chris Ryska said:
@ Rolle, I would never call my self by those words. In fact, I’ve tried to intreat people not to use that terminology in my presence due to the fact that when you say the phrase “conspiracy theory”, you’re immediately marginalizing the person you’re having a discussion with and thereby crippling whatever valid points the person my have.
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rolleikin said:
It was a joke, Chris. 🙂
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Chris Ryska said:
@ Rolle, I should’ve known. I’ve been on edge, lately. There’s been a lot going on. A lot has happened, yet nothing has happened.
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Philip Cox said:
Looks very similar to the Hashemite flag, from the House of Hashim (Hussein). They own Jordan, Mecca, and claim their progenitor was Mohammed’s great grand daddy and a powerful merchant.
They must be counting on the average Westerner’s totally willful ignorance of Middle Eastern history. It takes mere minutes to find out every side in Middle Eastern conflict stems from the same handful of ruling families, who are all cousins of the Phoenicians families we already know, like their current Prime Minister and Paki intelligence goon Imran Khan. Imran reads like Pakistan’s version of Trump, a total actor and caricature. Since the Taliban are some Pakistani ISI offshoot (and which the ISI is a CIA outpost), exposing Paki politics may help to better explain what is going on over there. The Paki toadies have been pushing modernism hard on the very conservative Pashtuns for decades now, so the upper families may have given them more local autonomy over Afghanistan as their reward.
Imran’s ‘Personal Life’ section on wiki is a real hoot. He has had “relationships” with every top Jewish/Phoenician family member you can think of: Zeenat Aman, Emma Sergeant, Susie Murray-Philipson, Sita White, Sarah Crawley, Stephanie Beacham, Goldie Hawn, Kristiane Backer, Susannah Constantine, Marie Helvin, Caroline Kellett, Liza Campbell, Anastasia Cooke, Hannah Mary Rothschild, and Lulu Blacker. In other words, he’s a gay Jewish actor.
Imran Khan’s ancestor was Haibat Khan Niazi, Afghan noble and military leader who got famous for crushing local rebellions. He’s very likely related to Emir Dost Mohammed Khan Barakzai, founder of the Barakzai dynasty. They were British puppets in a similar vein as the Sauds were/are. Barakzai means “sons of Barak” in Pashto. Barak was a military commander in Ancient Israel (Book of Judges), defeating Canannite armies. Also this is the same Barcas, as in Hamilcar Barca, Phoencian general.
The theories on the Israeli origin of the Pashtuns is long and extensive, so I won’t repeat it here.
So basically the US spent 20 years in Afghanistan to make the world safer for gay Jewish actors from the ruling families, who have been fucking around in this desert for the past 2000 years.
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Ali said:
It’s really interesting to see your view on the overall situation concerning the power that be.
If i may add something on what you say :
“So basically the US spent 20 years in Afghanistan to make the world safer for gay Jewish actors from the ruling families, who have been fucking around in this desert for the past 2000 years.”
But since they have been in this desert for the past 2000 years, i don’t think this is the only thing they have in mind.
For me, the strategy is twofold :
First it is to justify periodic thefts of the European/American treasury reserves which results on a strenuous, continuous taxation of the US/Europe ‘citizens’.
This logic could be applied in all militarized countries to maintain an economic and a strategic pressure on the people of mid to low socio-economical stance, which pertains to those.
Secondly, to reinforce and inflict a more powerful parasitic pressure on the normal people.
We can see that, relating to France, they have recently ‘evacuated 3000 refugees’ from Afghanistan.
See it, in here :
https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2021/08/28/afghanistan-la-france-a-mis-fin-a-son-operation-d-evacuation-vers-paris_6092584_3210.html
I think the hidden motive is to let these people enroll in the french police and the french army mainly, and of course let them serve as helping guardian/maintainers of order, for handling any eventual revolts.
So be careful, what i’m saying is that the power that be could applied these operations in all countries under their controls including yours.
This is just a guess..
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Wayne said:
Point of clarification regarding theft of tax revenue.
The US has been running deficit budgets for decades. Tax revenues alone cannot account for the trillions of bail outs, military spending, aid to Israel to continue oppressing local indigenous people, etc.
[Rhetorical question, how come Israel gets a pass on this behavior? If anyone in USA proposed bulldozing a Native American village, or even run a pipeline across their land, there would be global outrage. Unless it was done by a global corporation to increase profits, then the Supreme Court would rule against the locals.]
The USA digital printing press at the Federal Reserve (not Federal, no Reserves) runs 24×7, printing fiat debt notes to feed the corporate machines.
The future is being robbed for profit now.
Unsustainable, it is.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
Take that back Mr Cox
Imran Kahn is one of my all time favourite cricketers, along with Hanse Cronje. He was a very good fast swing bowler and average lower order batsman. He revolutionised ball maintenance (some call it tampering) in the game of cricket and brought it into the mainstream. He also was captain for some of the greatest repaired (some call the fixed) matches in the history of the game and was a shining light once again helping this form of cricket spread and become the norm across the world.
I genuinely did like to watch both him and Hanse bat probably because they were not very good at it like myself. Also women loved him (like they do guy men). I remember an ongoing skit about it on the d gen late show.
I wonder what Hanse is up to after he died in that mysterious plane crash.
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Ray said:
He could swing both ways.
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swordofclio said:
In regards to the earlier thread about Viruses: The more one researches the subject of viruses in the 20th century, the more one comes away with the idea of virology as a smokescreen for toxicology. I too am not entirely sure what to believe when it comes to the little beasties anymore. I would be more willing to throw all of the claims of virology out the window but for one thing I cannot understand: to what extent are all the reports of diseases experienced by the American Indians upon contact with Europeans true? And, if true, what is the etiology?
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Ali said:
“to what extent are all the reports of diseases experienced by the American Indians upon contact with Europeans true? And, if true, what is the etiology?”
It’s a lie.
First of all, those so called “europeans” that have brought diseases and have been migrated to the U.S since the 15/16th century were Jews and Muslims.
Read this book to get a better grasp of the reality of the situation at that time :
https://archive.org/details/B-001-001-711/page/n13/mode/2up?q=indians
The title of the book is “Jews and Muslims in british colonial america : a genealogical history”
Here is an interesting part for you, at p43, i quote :
“Spain also planted colonies in Florida and the Carolinas.
As many have previously noticed, Sephardic DNA profiles and surnames are still evident in the population of the lower Appalachian Mountains, notably among Melungeons, a dark-skinned European ethnic group mixed with American Indians and Africans found dwelling there when the first English settlers crossed the Blue Ridge into Cherokee territory in the 1600s. Melungeon Y-chromosome data invoke the Cuban pattern with Rib again far outstripping all the other haplogroups. Several J and E3b participants have Ashkenazi Jewish matches, while a number of Rib males have matches in South and Central America and the Caribbean, all suggesting Sephardic ancestry.”
There has been no such thing as ‘diseases’ brought by Europeans ‘White’ and the question of the amerindians genocide may very well be solved by taking into account the intermarriages process.
Whenever i see the term ‘genocide’ employed and admitted by official history, i’m beginning to get very wary on the reality of the narrative.
In any case, the jews and the muslim have been dwelling in these territories far sooner than we want to admit.
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swordofclio said:
Thanks Ali, that book is quite the interesting read and should come in handy for my research!
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swordofclio said:
“There has been no such thing as ‘diseases’ brought by Europeans ‘White’ and the question of the amerindians genocide may very well be solved by taking into account the intermarriages process.”
I’m not sure I understand. Are you suggesting the amerindians assimilated with Europeans through intermarriage?
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Ali said:
More precisely, I’m suggesting that the Jewish/Muslim Amerindians got intermarried with Jewish/Muslim Europeans and that, simply with that, they could justify that the Jewish/Muslim Amerindians population has decreased due to a ‘genocide’while simply it being the result of intermarriaqges and others factors.
Also you have to know that in the 15th century, only the richest amongst the Europeans(Portuguese/Spanish nobility) could afford such travels.
See it in here :
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/north-carolina-cherokee-indians-separdic-jews-jeannette-austin
I know it’s just Linkedin but they show it in front of your face..
“Many people have expressed the fact that the Cherokees resembled the Jewish population. Indeed, my own visits into Cherokee, North Carolina seem to confirm this. Unfortunately, the sampling of the DNA appears to be incomplete. Cherokees have high levels of test markers associated with THE BERBERS, NATIVE EGYPTIANS, TURKS, LEBANESE, HEBREWS and MESOPOTAMIANS.”
Which mean those so called ‘Natives’ were already Jewish/Muslim Migrants even before the so called colonisation of the US by Hernan Cortés..
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notabaron said:
because far more died by starvation and bullets. added bonus of solidifying the virus myth for it’s real weaponization in the following centuries. just speculation.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
Why could the American Indians not have been poisoned (even if by accident pollution) . It’s what I would have done. On the other hand Australian Aborigines did not seem to have the same problem (different water sources?)
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Gerard Nordskoven said:
BREAKING! “Truther” Brian Staveley gave a smashing radio interview on The Power Hour out of Versailles, Missouri USA (Amish country) for the 20th anniversary of 9-11. Brian was outing fake CGI planes, and missing SSDI death records but descended into the netherworld of Mandela Effect nonsense. And I now see he is a Flat Earther. But I called in and nicely repeated and repeated a plug for MILES MATHIS and DOLLY’S BRACES to do an end-run around the super duped. They then repeated “Dolly’s Braces” like a mantra and mocked the idea saying, what, they stole copies from houses? The FIRST products with RFID metal maze tracker stickers were VHS tapes so, yes, easily do-able but who in the world even had VHS tapes two score years after the MOONRAKER release in 1979?!? DOLLY’S BRACES redux is a Memory Hole test flush. And I said Fiona Broome has no online skip tracing computer data trail. That ruffled Brian who said forget Fiona Broome. Bless MWM. Is “Stavely” a slurring of “Stanley?” I also mentioned hefty 9-11 insurance pay-outs and MILES MATHIS outing the Hindenburg and Titanic faux-zasters like the Twin Towers, huge money pits turned into cash cows. That’s all from the Heartland. Back to you, Dr. Dee.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Evacuees plead for action: ‘We are in some kind of jail’
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-afghanistan-veterans-evacuations-taliban-9dc63b9332b71eb8445d9e75f23221fd
Yep, there’s a lot of that going around these past couple years…
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Never Give In said:
Hey all, check out this great interview (starts at the 14:40 mark and ends at 42:00)
of a guy my wife and I discovered here in Southern California named Tony Roman. We first heard of him about a year ago when we were just waking up to the covid scam, but hadn’t yet discovered Miles. He’s the owner of an Italian restaurant and he’s done the opposite of enforcing the standard “mask mandate”. Instead of requiring a mask, he actually refuses customers who enter his place with a mask, and he’s done that since this scam started. The mask has to come off if you want to dine there! We’ve been to his place several times, met him, and he appears to be the real deal.
I understand there is not only controlled opposition on a national level, but there’s controlled op on a local level as well, and he could be CO. However, I haven’t seen signs yet that he is. And even if he is and I missed it, his message is the best and most inspiring one I’ve heard in the past 18 months. Some good quotes of his: “This is an all or nothing fight”, “Gavin Pelosi”, “don’t do it shy or halfway (the fight against tyranny), or they’ll smell blood in the water”, “Once your freedoms are gone, they’re not coming back”.
I’ve wondered how he’s been able to stay open while defying every mandate, whereas other business owners have been shut down (allegedly). He claims it’s simply because he hasn’t backed down. Miles has said repeatedly that these are all bluffs and if people simply said NO, this would end tomorrow. So Tony might be telling the truth here. On the other hand, Miles has also written that he’s seen signs of an internal war between the families, so Tony might have some backing and support from spooks that are pushing back to some degree. Whatever the case might be, at least for now I don’t see any major red flags with this guy and we can use more messages like his being disseminated on air. Like most on this forum, I’ve lost most of my previous gurus as a result of reading Miles, but I’m still here, still reading and waking up more every day. So, if I’m wrong about Tony, I’m O.K. with that, but if so please let me know what I missed.
PS – And yes, I watched his interview on CNN by Cuomo and although Cuomo tried to make him look like an idiot, CC came across as the a-hole he is. Maybe the interview wasn’t Tony’s best idea because he had to know he was being set up, but that doesn’t convince me it was done as controlled op. I think he just saw it as a way to further spread the message. But hey, I could be wrong.
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rolleikin said:
I’m not saying he is or isn’t legit but Roman is a Jewish surname. So are Romano, Romanow, Romanov and other similar names.
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Never Give In said:
@rolleikin
True, but as Miles has said, not all Jews are part of the ruling elite, or in this case, not necessarily CO. He may be, but by itself, being Jewish doesn’t prove he is.
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Gijs said:
Yes, that’s why Rolleikin said: “I’m not saying he is or isn’t legit”
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Never Give In said:
@rolleikin
Besides his name being a red flag, what did you think of the interview – the content and the message (I read a Miles’ paper not long ago in which I found to my surprise that my surname goes back to nobility (at least a variant spelling of it), but I’m not Jewish or royal, and my bank account will prove to anyone that I have not benefited whatsoever by my genealogy; lol)?
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rolleikin said:
“Besides his name being a red flag, what did you think of the interview”
I didn’t watch the interview. Instead, I went to the website of the YouTuber that posted it and saw the big John Birch Society ad at the top of the page and decided I didn’t need to watch it.
Enjoy your cannoli.
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Kevin said:
Tony Roman has his own videos published here, which I’ve found pretty entertaining:
“https://makerestaurantsgreatagain.com/news-%2F-videos”
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Never Give In said:
If we dismissed 100% of the information out there because it comes from CO sources, we’d be missing out on some useful information, and messages. I knew by your response you didn’t watch it. Just wanted to confirm though. Your loss. But you obviously think you know better.
And yeah, I did enjoy the cannoli, wiseass.
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rolleikin said:
“But you obviously think you know better.”
No, I’m just a mouse that knows why the cheese is free. 🙂
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suntzufighting said:
I just love the idea that the Talibanis are antivaxxers. The scriptwriters have a little plot hole there. Maybe sloppy writing, maybe more? So the Taliban are all that is depraved, regressive and reactionary, yet ten trillion dollars and two decades of occupation by the world’s only superpower ended with a whimper and the Taliban is more powerful than ever. And they don’t like the vaxx. What is a CNN-watcher supposed to think?
Those poor selfless NGO types left behind enemy lines really warms the cockles of my heart. Since we know what kind of people run those kinds of operations I wonder if this isn’t some inter-faction politics, spook vs spook games that causes some distress and discomfort, but no real harm.
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Never Give In said:
@Gijs
Yes, I read what he wrote. And I wrote what I did in the hopes that others will at least have a listen to the interview and not immediately dismiss it because his name is Jewish.
I also could have picked apart things about Tony or the interview, but instead I focused on his message and found it very inspiring. However, if others don’t feel the same way, that’s totally fine. I was simply trying to share something that I found was positive. These days we could use more positivity.
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Never Give In said:
@Kevin
Thanks for the web site; didn’t have that. It looks pretty interesting.
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Never Give In said:
@rolleikin
“I’m just a mouse that knows why the cheese is free” – WTF?!?
Watch the interview and then tell me exactly how your comment applies in this situation. What is he pushing that’s “free”? You sound just like the ignorant, biased pricks we’re fighting against. Come on man, be better than that! Be better than them, at the very least.
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rsack said:
Hey dude, never give in/tomgaby/Paul s, or whatever the hell your name is. You’re pretty new around here. If you just show up and start putting things up that are suspect, people will suspect you’re up to something. Rolle has been posting on this forum for years. I don’t think he’s shown himself in all that time to be of the stock that’s against what we are collectively trying to do on this forum. But being a new (mysterious) person (with three different names) and trying to claim that, it makes you look bad. Just saying.
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Jared Magneson said:
And almost as importantly, thoughI rather agree with some of what you’re saying here, Never Give In…
You’re replying in the wrong place entirely, here. SunTzu didn’t say any of that stuff, and you are replying to his comments. So it’s all misplaced, I mean literally. Slow down. Take your time. I have no love for that other fake-named person at all but if you’re going to reply to them, reply TO them.
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R T said:
Jared, sometimes the reply button disappears for me on a long enough comment chain. For instance I cannot reply to your comment, only the comment above yours.
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Stephen said:
@R T that is by design – the comment depth is at 3 which is common. This keeps comment threads manageable and you don’t get 500-line comments with 5 characters wide.
I just put an @ in front of whoever I’m addressing if I hit that limit since there’s a good chance they’ll see it.
Frankly reddit has a better interface for topical group discussion but.. well, it’s reddit which has become an abhorrent cesspool rife with authoritarian censorship. Plus it doesn’t seem like too many here use it or are familiar with it. I know Josh started a Miles subreddit sometime back and he actively posts as daddy_o but there’s something endearingly clunky about this.
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rolleikin said:
@ Never
If you’ve gained something from watching that interview then feel free to share it with us.
Otherwise, I don’t see that your hostile remarks are appropriate and I won’t reply to them. Nor will I take orders from you.
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Never Give In said:
@Jared
You’re right Jared. I sometimes forget what Josh wrote in regards to how to reply if there’s no reply button. I’ll try not to make that mistake again. I know it can lead to confusion. Hopefully I got it right this time.
By the way, I respect you so I’m going to address Rsack’s points above. I hope you don’t mind.
I haven’t gained much, if any trust here thus far, and that’s fine. As they say, trust has to be earned. That being said, I didn’t help myself on the trust issue by going by three different names, as Rsack correctly pointed out (how he knew that, I don’t know and don’t really care).
I had a negative experience here not long ago going by my real name, so I took a break and wasn’t sure I’d come back. But I eventually found that I did want to keep contributing, in those moments when inspiration found me, so I returned, I think for no other reason than I want the world to change, like everyone here does, and this is the only place I’ve found filled with people who are truly awake, not half awake like I was up until recently. You guys (and gals) are great, no offense, but I give full credit for my awakening to Miles because if I hadn’t found him and his papers I’d still be following Mike Adams, InfoWars, and other controlled ops, and believing in the ridiculous conspiracy theories like “everyone in Hollywood is a tranny”, as well as all the faked events, the fear porn, etc. Yeah, my wife and I were “one of those” not that long ago.
Anyway, I went by another name on my return here, and then I tried another name out of insecurity, before finally settling on “never give in”. By “insecurity”, I mean I don’t have the math, science, or physics backgrounds that many of you have, so when composing my messages I tend to overthink them at times because hey, I admit it, you guys can be a bit intimidating with your level of knowledge. And I’ve read jabs going back and forth between some of you, and I try to avoid that, but that obviously hasn’t worked out so well for me. I guess you tend to get what you resist. I remember someone saying that in the past, but I don’t remember who.
But since I’m being honest here (and because for the most part, I agree with you Jared, I don’t like fake names either), my original name, the one in which I had a bad experience initially here is Tom L. I think you might remember that ill fated talk of “religion” I started with the fake “ology” one I was in. I realized of course that I got too sensitive to some of the comments, which is why I never got into social media over the years. I didn’t like the back and forth personal attacks. But that’s also on me. I need to develop a thicker skin. I still remember after I left reading a comment you made that “we don’t need weak allies”. And although it hurt a bit reading that, I also realized it was true, and one of the reasons I decided to come back and try to do better this time around. Maybe I needed to hear that. And my return was going well until today. Oh well, maybe the “third times the charm”? I realize of course that I need to do a better job of not responding to certain types of comments, which invariably lead to messes like this one. I rarely lead with an attack, if ever. But when attacked, or I feel attacked I too often make the mistake of getting engaged when the best response is usually just silence. I don’t mean to be silent on an issue that needs defending, like the freedoms that are currently under attack. But do I need to respond to someone who makes an ignorant comment to a video I post? No, I don’t and that’s what usually gets me in trouble.
By the way, my full name is Tom Lusey. I mentioned in an earlier post today that I read a Miles paper in which a variant spelling of my name came up as being in the noble line (spelled either Lucy or Lucey, I believe), but I joked that I’m not jewish or royal, and my bank account will prove I haven’t benefited from my royal surname. If that’s not enough “full disclosure” to allay suspicion of me or my motives, I don’t know what else to say. I’m not giving my social or birthdate; lol.
I do know, based on what Josh wrote in the Comment Troubleshooting, & Policies section of this forum, the link to the interview of Tony the restaurant owner does not fall under the category of “suspicious things”. Josh wrote there: “Comments on the following topics will also bring suspicion your way: advocating Flat Earth (or any other shape besides solid and spherical); satellites are fake; promoting the German New Medicine; and pushing hard on the “all celebrities and politicians are trannies” or something similar.”
If we start dismissing out of hand every article or video that has signs of controlled opposition then that will be anything and everything, other than Miles because EVERYTHING promoted, on either a local or national level has some signs, no matter how small, of CO. I knew that with Tony’s interview, which is why I even put disclaimers about that in my post.
But isn’t Miles the one who has said 80% of CO is truth before they misdirect you to “inaction, or useless action”? I think that’s how he put it. Well, in the case of Tony’s interview, if you watch and listen to it, correct me if I’m wrong, but he doesn’t do either. In fact, just the opposite. He urges everyone to say NO to all the illegal “mandates”, which is exactly what he’s done. And isn’t that what Miles has said from the start? Do not give in, not even an inch.
OK, so his name is Jewish. We’re all born with names we don’t choose. You think I like my last name? Even my 9 year old son complains about getting teased at school because “our last name sounds like a girl”; lol. And the other comment that “the youtuber that posted the video is connected to the John Birch Society”. So? Yes, both his last name and the youtuber’s connection to JB are red flags, but does that change Tony’s message? No.
I know the other fake-namer has been here a whole hell of a lot longer than I have, but it’s frustrating when someone comments out of ignorance and comes across as “I’m mightier than thou”. If he had actually watched the video and then commented on the “jewish name issue”, or the JB connection of the youtuber who posted the video, I would have had more respect for not only him, but his comments. But it was ridiculous to have such a flippant attitude about it, while having no real knowledge of the guy or what he said in the interview. And as of now, he’s been defended by multiple people here, while I’ve been called “suspicious”, and while that’s not that big a deal, the real tragedy is that NO ONE has watched the actual video I posted, or at least no one has remarked on the actual content of it, which is what this was all about. So I failed utterly, but the other fake-namer sure didn’t help with his comment, especially since it was the first comment after I posted the video. I was afraid people would be influened by that, which is why I decided to respond to begin with. My wife was right though when she said “you’re giving the guy too much power. People there may or may not be influenced by his comment. Hopefully they’ll be smart enough not to be, but if they are, that’s on them and out of your control”. She was not only right, but by me engaging I made sure to turn people off of the video. So I successfully, without meaning to, created the opposite effect I was going for, and blackwashed it. Good job Tom; Lol!
In the end, it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks of me. I’m of no importance, which I’m sure certain fake-namers here will readily and happily agree with. But I thought the message was important and relevant and I was simply trying to pass on one of the few messages I’ve come across in the past year and a half or so of someone who is successfully fighting back against this scam. Does he have some support from spooks? I don’t know, maybe, maybe not. But even if he does, again I ask, does it change his message? You tell me. I say NO, not in the slightest. And besides, if he does have help from certain spooks pushing back on the scam, isn’t that a good thing?
Sorry Jared for my rant, and if you’re still here I appreciate your time.
Now, let the hate mail come flowing in. With each attack my balls are growing just a bit bigger (like the Grinch whose heart grew 3 times the normal size). I’ve already received a few from the usual suspects while composing this message. But hey, it’s been great because it’s giving me a chance to be silent, like I should have done the first time (or I should say, the second time).
Tom (Never Give In) Lusey
PS – If I go by Never Give In going forward on occasion, it’s not that I’m trying to be “deceptive””, it’s just that I’ve gotten a bit fond of the moniker.
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tony martin said:
I believe it all has to do with discernment.
I personally believe that some people have discernment and some people don’t.
Some people can sift through things and find the truth and discard the non-truth if that’s even a word. In the Bible it was called the gift of discernment either you got it or you don’t.
One Wiseman said “Why do I have to show you.. you should already have known”
The truth is out there freely available.
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Patrick said:
@ Never Give In: I remember your posts on Scientology, and now there’s this cringeworthy screed. Should you find yourself in need of a fourth name, you can use ‘I Do Go On And On.’ A gift, no charge.
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Jared Magneson said:
Miles wrote an essay about weak allies, which is where I took that statement or sentiment from:
Click to access allies.pdf
It’s on his science site and a little obscure to find.
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Tom Lusey said:
@tony martin
Thanks for your kind (and wise) response Tony; appreciate it.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Long as you don’t start hanging out in the sky with diamonds, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt so far.
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Tom Lusey said:
@Michael Deloatch
“Long as you don’t start hanging out in the sky with diamonds”
Well I can’t promise that, but on my bad days it’s not my drug of choice, at least not yet; Lol.
Always love your reading your comments Michael. Your sharp wit and humor is much needed and appreciated. 🙂
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Tom Lusey said:
@Jared
Thanks for the clarification Jared. Well, regardless of where the quote came from it was appropriate and much needed/deserved.
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stonesmasher said:
Michael Deloatch,your comment referring to the Beatles song got me thinking of Lucille ball and Desi Arnaz(Desiderio Alberto Arnaz y de Acha III).Found this http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/exile/arnaz.htm
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alexrimmer0973 said:
Well Tom everyone and everything is important. I personally didn’t watch the video yet because I have recently been dealing with real people I half know who have refused the rules also with zero punishment other than a polite phone call. I honestly don’t need to see someone in another country doing it at this stage (I also do suspect the video but that wouldn’t stop me looking at it quite the opposite. If I do watch it that will be why.).
I also remember someone mentioning they thought some vaccine injuries and deaths had been staged. I have seen some I could be very certain were staged performances.
Your writing style is probably what gives your identity away to most people but I couldn’t say for certain in this case. Stick at learning you probably need a couple of years just to let your anger and insecurity settle. If what you tell us is true (probably is) you have been through a lot and you have picked a fine old time to wake up.
Good luck mate
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Benjamin said:
Most of us here have probably posted a video that got ignored at some point, don’t take it to heart. Time is precious and videos are long, so people will look for simple reasons to dismiss it. Reasons like a Jewish surname, and the fact he even got an interview with Cuomo to begin with. These don’t necessarily prove anything, but they are familiar red flags, and therefore enough to turn the time precious skeptical away. Notice you are now also being attacked for writing a long winded post. It may be heartfelt, or it may be spooky, as clogging this forum up with rubbish is a tactic they’ve used before. If you are heartfelt, forgive our waryness, it comes from experience.
I am interested in Tony Roman and watched the video. He does appear to be the exact kind of ally we seek – one who stands their ground, gives not an inch, carries on with business, and encourages everyone to do the same. The main point of suspicion I found was the he never explains how he has managed to avoid paying the fines or being shut down. He is even asked the question (minute 31:45), but doesn’t give a straight answer – going off on some tangent about the 4th of July before finally concluding “we stared them down, and mocked them”. I expected him to mention court challenges or the like, but there is nothing. No mention of what happened to the fines that must have been sent his way. HOW he does it is of course extremely important, for that would give a blueprint for others to do the same. Instead, we just have his word. So it’s possible he is controlled op, this was his role from the start, and he has only managed to stay open with a little help from his friends (our enemies). If you want to keep digging and find out if he’s legit, I recommend looking for that information.
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3rd doorman said:
“He does appear to be the exact kind of ally we seek – one who stands their ground, gives not an inch, carries on with business, and encourages everyone to do the same.”
Who is the “we” here.
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Tom Lusey said:
@alexrimmer0973
Thanks so much Alex for your kind and thoughtful message! 🙂
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rsack said:
@ 2nd doorman. I think by “we” he means us. The honest and genuine people here on this forum. Maybe you don’t consider yourself part of that group. If that’s true, Your continued actions are making that clearer all the time.
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benjamin said:
Rsack, you are correct, in every way, I think.
3rd doorman is trying to imply I’m a spook. Similar to a previous post he made, claiming the response of Jared and I opposing him was part of some “tactic”.
If you’re going to go down, go down swinging.
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Tom Lusey said:
@Benjamin
Thanks for the thoughtful reply Benjamin. In the few months I’ve been here reading comments I’ve enjoyed your posts. You’re from Australia, if I remember correctly, right? Has anything positive come of the trucker’s strike there? I don’t feel I can trust anything here that I read/hear about that, but maybe you have sources there that are more reliable.
Anyway, I don’t have a problem with people being “wary” as you put it and I completely understand it. My problem is when that wariness gets in the way of even reviewing the information to begin with. But like you said, people are busy with their lives and don’t invest time unless it really piques their interest.
Yeah, I was also looking for an explanation of how Tony’s restaurant has remained open, however I came to the conclusion that he’s simply done what he said, which is that he’s said NO to every illegal mandate. And he hasn’t been arrested, proving what Miles has said that this is all a bluff. I don’t know if where you are in Australia saying no results in physical violence or arrests, but at least here in Orange County, CA I can attest in my own personal situation, simply calling the bluffs has worked. My wife and I have said no to the masks and the vaccines and it hasn’t resulted in any negative consequences for us.
That being said, Kevin here on CTTF provided a link to a web site Tony has and called his videos “entertaining”. After watching one that was 20 minutes long in which he splices a few scenes from The Godfather and Goodfellas within his message, I understand why Kevin thought it was entertaining. I would have said it was “inspiring” as well, but hey, the videos did make me laugh. But on that site, if you watch his videos, which are all pretty short, he talks more about the fines, court orders, threats, etc that he’s received and what he’s done about them (he also mentions he has more info about it on his Facebook page, which I have not yet checked out). One of his videos is of an actual search warrant he’s issued, which he refuses to accept – poor kid serving the warrant, he had no chance against Tony; lol.
So thanks, I took you up on your suggestion to find out how he’s doing what he’s doing and it was definitely worth my time, and to my surprise, “entertaining” (my wife and I laughed at one scene of our favorite video, called “ABC Court Finally Proposes Penalty for Basilico’s Pasta E Vino”, and if you watch it I’m sure you’ll know the scene I mean). I hope it’s worth your time as well. Here’s the link to the web site (scroll down a bit on the site to see the video I just referenced):
https://makerestaurantsgreatagain.com/news-%2F-videos
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Benjamin said:
“Has anything positive come of the trucker’s strike there? I don’t feel I can trust anything here that I read/hear about that, but maybe you have sources there that are more reliable.”
I don’t have any truckie sources, so can only follow what was reported. It seems the government caved to their requests of roadhouses opening, and making vaccinations non-mandatory, so the protest never happened. Also, one day before the date we are told the protest was to happen, papers ran a story about a few protesting truckies blocking the state border who might be hit with criminal charges. I don’t know if that was legit, or a story run to scare the truckies off. Either way, the protest never happened.
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Chris Ryska said:
@ Never Give In, I wonder if this guy could be one of the Joan of Arc types that was brought up recently.
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Dent Arthur Dent said:
Taliban = right wing religious zealot extremists = antivax Conservatives. Not hard to understand at all. If you oppose the PN you’re an extremist zealot. And they’ll manufacture whatever cartoon characters they need to prove it.
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suntzufighting said:
But the Taliban are winners in this story, winning against ultimate power and money. This can not be tuned out, even by the most lethargic of TV junkies. So no matter how many times they get called goat herders, the deafening silence of the elephant in the room all but screams “they might be goat herders, but they handed the US its ass” (not trying to insult Americans here).
So this isn’t really potent blackwashing of those opposed to the voodoovaxx. Too many built-in contradictions. If someone calls you a Talibani for your vaxx stance, remind them how they defeated/humiliated the US. The Phoeneys can’t have it both ways.
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Dent Arthur Dent said:
They were created by ultimate power and money (the PN). They’re no more winners than the Empire in Star Wars, just fake characters acting out a PN script to make us all go “Oooh, ragheads bad!” Or others to go “Oooh! America bad!” But it’s hard to view these news stories through the eyes of the general public, knowing they’re staged Punch and Judy shows.
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Wayne said:
I like the sense of humor of the Taliban in staging a reenactment of the Iwo Jima flag raising. Raising the Taliban flag on a mountain top while wearing recently gifted US Spec Ops gear. As phony as the original PR photo op.
Meme War. We can’t have a meme gap!
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FiddleSticks said:
But it’s not the sense of humor of the Taliban, it’s the sense of humor of their handlers (PN), which there isn’t anything funny about. The Taliban are a bunch of FAKE actors taking their cues from Langley……….I fail to see any humor in their re-inactment of another fake and staged event.
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rolleikin said:
Cartman vs the vax
I haven’t seen this show in years but this clip on YouTube is dated Aug 2021 so I guess it’s from a recent episode.
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benjamin said:
Eric running round naked away from the doctor, squealing like a pig, while banjo Plays in the soundtrack. Though I’m not sure the shows target demographic will get it, this is a clear allusion to the movie deliverance (why else would he need to be naked?) And the rape therein. On the surface the shows producers are blackwashing Eric and anti vaxxers as a way to influence school kids to get the shot, while the implied hidden message is mandatory vaccination = rape. But really, this clip makes me glad I never watched South Park. that’s comedy?
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A Spirit said:
I agree about the Deliverance reference. So let me get that straight: The are calling this a rape and are blackwashing those who refuse it, at the same time. If that isn’t perversion, I don’t know what is.
What the fuck is going on? Are they taunting ‘those who wear the sunglasses’? Are they showing off their perversion to us? Do they think of it as a virtue? Are they taking pride in gaslighting and raping the world?
I am so sick of these degenerates. Maybe it’s time for the tidal wave to come and wash this place clean. It stinks like an open sewer.
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benjamin said:
The hidden deliverance clue is the truth. Mandatory vax = rape. They put it there knowing almost no one will get it. Their target demographic probably hasn’t seen deliverance, and even if they have, they might not pick up the clues, or they might be pro vax, thus not even allowing themselves to think about its true meaning. So yes, they are showing us their perversion. It’s there for those with eyes to see. Unfortunately, most people won’t be able to see past the blackwashing of eric, and they won’t even know it is blackwashing. They’ll have no clue its propaganda, and come to associate anti vaxxers with cry babies.
It is quite clever how they manage to include both propaganda and truth together, side by side, one clear, one hidden. but this only shows that they really don’t care for their audience. You’d think the primary job of a comedy would be to make you laugh, not be clever in mischievous ways that only you, your cronies and some guy on a truth forum will get.
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Boris Tabaksplatt said:
Straightforward and blatant anti-antivaxxer propaganda. Only dumb, snivelling chicken livered twots would dream of rejecting this brilliant achievement of modern medical science. They must be getting desperate.
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Stephen said:
Solar flux over 100 for the first time since I’ve been watching. 4 visible sunspot regions.
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Gerard Nordskoven said:
Reverse Speech groupies noted a week of virtually no speech reversals and could only attribute this to stout solar flare. Now back to normal, congruent phrases identifiable when ordinary speech reversed. See: John David Oates
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MathisderMaler said:
Five, actually, but they pretend not to see it.
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Stephen said:
Odd, I checked the same site just now and it’s showing 5 active sunspot regions!
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A Spirit said:
So.. I was rereading Miles’ Patton paper. For some strange reason I hadn’t noticed this, first time I read it:
“Do you know who else had high silly voices? Himmler and Hess. Himmler sounds like John Cleese mocking a German accent. Hess is even worse. As Hitler’s Black Emma, he sounds like a gay nightclub announcer speaking through a snorkel. ”
(Miles provides this YT video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr-PuuKYn8c )
I couldn’t stop laughing for 5 minutes with the nightclub announcer there… However.. Put the video at 1:00 and pay attention to the manly “Heil” that this other actor gives, just a few seconds later.
Wow… Were these the best actors they could find?
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rsack said:
Also notice at minute 4:11 where we see Himmler smiling and lovingly stroking the breast of another officer, before snapping back to attention on cue, it seems. Also notice in the next frame the two “S’s” standing for the “SS”. They look just like the the stylized esses from the logo of the band KISS. Coincidence? And finally Baldur von Schirach, head of the hitler youth was half American and descended from two signers of the Declaration of Independence. Another coincidence?
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Michael Deloatch said:
Hey, we can all cut Himmler some slack there if we have ever worked in any sort of organization. Just BS-ing around the water cooler when out of the corner of your eye you spot the boss approaching “ach, Sheiss!”. See, even Nazis are human!
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rsack said:
Michael. Haha! Right? Love it.
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Lio said:
I believe the story is that Ace Frehley of KISS designed the logo and they acknowledge that it resembles the SS logo but say it is unintentional. Of course at least two of their members are admittedly Jewish (Stanley and Simmons) and at least Simmons is from Israel.
Funny enough, Stanley accused the other two members (Frehley and Criss) of harassing him dressed in Nazi attire, but later photos surfaced of all three of them prancing around in Nazi regalia.
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suntzufighting said:
Goering, “the most flamboyant” of der Fuhrer’s fanboys. Hehehe is Markie giving us a neon painted clue? I always thought Baron Harkonin was modeled on der Grosse Hermann.
What a bunch of miscreants. James Woods would be able to do a great Goebbels impression with minimal effort.
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rsack said:
He’s probably related
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Michael Deloatch said:
Here’s a current event.
“Authorities race to contain deadly Nipah virus outbreak in India”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nipah-virus-outbreak-india-kerala/
Nipah knows his vaxxer’s voice.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Just when we all thought it was safe to consort with fruit bats again, sigh…
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Swathy Krishna said:
Last time that happened in Kerala was in 2019, 18 people were infected. But the epidemic was averted then, too bad its come back to haunt us poor keralites again. There was even a movie released, creatively titled ‘Virus’, which was a big hit! People just love that narrative. Phoenies always need to release supporting fiction to the main fiction. Obviously it was a prep for corona, the same story, paltry number of infected and virus from a bat. TPTB are running out of ideas I guess, same old stories over and over again, they legit don’t know how to deal with the collapse of the matrix, didn’t prepare any contingency plan, I guess. I don’t get it, they should’ve known four millennia before that this day would come, that ruling with lies is not sustainable.
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A Spirit said:
“I don’t get it, they should’ve known four millennia before that this day would come, that ruling with lies is not sustainable.”
It was pretty sustainable until relatively recently. Only problem is that they just couldn’t hold back their greed. 911 was the beginning (totally amateur and moronically ambitious) and the grand Coronahoax will be their downfall. I consider them already dead and rotting in hell; they just haven’t realized it (yet). The point is how many people will they kill until they are gone.
If they didn’t roll corona their reign would still be somewhat sustainable. To the brainwashed zombies, at least.
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Relax and live well said:
There is more than enough NATURAL wealth for everyone without the need of monopoly monies created out of nothingness by inbreeding scumbag psychopath bankers deserving to be lifetime residents in mental asylums in a NORMAL society
But there will never be enough NATURAL wealth to satisfy the insatiable greed of the phoenys. The scummiest dregs of human society were, are and will always be self-praising themselves, as if they were the creme de la creme of humankind.
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Lio said:
I believe their downfall is going to be the internet.
I am sure there were just as many people skeptical of their hoaxes in the past, but they were isolated from others and could not share their ideas or doubts or evidence with anyone outside their immediate circle, much less on a mass scale.
It must have been very easy to control all discourse when mass communication relied solely on printing presses and pulpits that they exclusively controlled, but the internet has put a power in the hands of someone like Miles that they apparently did not consider. He can reach millions before they could even take him down if they tried. Never before has this been possible for a non-Phoeney.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
Half agree but the internet can be censored. Cameras are also a problem but both of these are very useful tools for control. Remember all they have to do is go back to 1950-1990 freedom levels in the west and hardly anyone even cares about the rest. I believe their only serious threats come from the inside or outer levels and even then only if they push too hard.
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Lio said:
Parts of the internet can be censored, but the young and rebellious are smarter and quicker than the Phoney spooks, from what I have seen. They create new communication platforms and new coded language much faster than the censors can keep up, to the point where they are censoring and black washing random speculative words to try and get ahead of the resistance.
Then you have someone like Miles, who has already reached too far to openly censor without further incriminating themselves, and all they can do is pretend he doesn’t exist.
I see the astroturfing in alternative forums where they try to steer the discourse, and I see them immediately called out, mocked and talked around.
The meme war is real and they are losing
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A Spirit said:
Apologies for second post in a row, just wanted to add:
These assholes don’t know how to do damage control. If you are losing and under heavy fire, you don’t just blitz forward. If a huge mass of people are getting very suspicious about you, and are starting to watch your every move, you don’t just roll the 3rd and 4th and 20th booster. Just pull back for once you drugged maniacs.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
I disagree. You just keep pushing it until the people have had enough and then roll yourself with your own controlled opposition and repeat. Too easy….they can push as far as they like and give up on any of their fictions at will as long as people believe their is a different system or rulers they just go again.
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I pass said:
Lets kill this piece with your attention to this zinger “According to the state’s health minister, Veena George, 188 people who came into contact with the boy had been identified by Monday.”
About Veena George “Prior to joining politics, she has worked with major Malayalam news channels for over 16 years. She is also the first female executive editor among Malayalam news” Political party:Communist Party of India (Marxist)
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Wayne said:
Came in contact with 188 people? What was the time period?
How, riding an overloaded train?
Maybe we need to know their definition of “contact”, it’s probably as precise as a PCR test.
There’s visual contact, there’s close physical contact and close enough to feel their dying breath on your face.
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Boris Tabaksplatt said:
EISN sunspot number hit the magic 100 today. Instantly feeling better due to the decent dose of charge. Here’s hoping we get many more of these wonderful days.
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perplexed1984 said:
I felt much better on this day, didn’t know about the uptick in solar activity but was a marked improvement. Thanks for posting!
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Ali said:
“EISN sunspot number hit the magic 100 today.”
Huh?
What i see on this graphic, is that the Estimated International Sunspot Number is 95.
On this site, you can see for the EISN a number of 95 : https://hamwaves.com/solar.cycle/en/index.html
Maybe you’re actually thinking about the solar flux which is measured at 101.9.
Here :
https://www.spaceweather.gc.ca/forecast-prevision/solar-solaire/solarflux/sx-4-en.php
But well, like you say we are near 100, so it’s good news.
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Greg said:
Trump is doing these Save America Rallies. Is it the norm for a former President to hold rallies 3 years before another election? Trump has not yet announced he will run in 2024.
With all the false flag rumors going on, and knowing Trump was an inside player in the Jan 6th Capitol raid hoax, I would assume something happening around these dates. Maybe nothing will happen, but for some reason they are keeping Trump constantly in the public mindset.
Georgia National Fairgrounds
Perry, GA
September 25,2021
Iowa State Fairgrounds
Des Moines, IA
Oct. 9, 2021
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Sven Swensen said:
My take is that the country is teetering on an inflection point – as the Unjabbed have been pushed about as far as possible without widespread violence breaking out. Biden’s speech later today on six new measures to combat the pandemic are to be centered around the Unjabbed. It’s a line in the sand I’m thinking he’ll poke at, if not blatantly instigate violence. The most recent data coming in contradicts the official narrative on the safety and effectiveness of the Jabs, so impeachment is definitely on the table.
Another possibility is what Miles has been mentioning lately – and that could be making the Left/Democrats seem so insane, we’ll be happy to usher in a new set of P-Navy puppets under the guise of sanity. This may arise with a military coup and martial law – and while Trump may be part of that initially, I don’t see him becoming President. I could, however, see a special election called.
But, I don’t have the script, nor do I have access to the roundtable where the audibles are called as the P-Navy works through the project. I do think the next couple of months will be exciting, one way or the other.
Note – full disclosure – my predictions are usually not too accurate…
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Patrick said:
@Sven Swensen:
From Biden’s speech: “We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.” Go ahead, Joe, just say anything.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine-mandates-transcript.htm
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Kevin MURPHY said:
I am a employee at the department of veterans affairs. I am not getting the jab. They will have to fire me 🙂
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virusmyth666 said:
How can (some) people not see how messed up is this?
Supposing that vaccines workd, then if you are vaccinated
you are more protected, so the unvaxxed are the ones who
should need more protection.
Yet, they invert everything in order to cause more antagonism and chaos.
Also, they assume that the “magic juice” is not synonym to being
immunized, and yet they use both things as synonymous whenever
is convenient to them.
Again, how people miss all those logical inconsistencies?
My theory is that those people already bought into the good vs evil narrative.
In their minds, they seem themselves as the righteous ones who
show their constant virtuosity and empathy for their fellow men
by using masks, self-isolating and taking an experimental
injection carrying a biological agent.
Because they make decisions based on emotions,
all the reasoning becomes repressed.
In their minds, they are the heroes.
And we all know that every hero requires a villain.
This contrast between good and evil in their minds
is what validates their identity and make them feel
better about themselves.
That’s what happens when one is immersed into
the social networks dynamics for too long. It is
a dynamics similar to dog training.
Dog training is normally accomplished in 2 ways, either
positive or negative reinforcement.
Examples of positive reinforcement in social networks
are: likes, positive comments, increased views,
monetization etc. This creates a dopamine addiction
effect, causing a constant need for approval, just
like what happens to a dog being submitted to the
same technique. It is the “pleasure seeking”
behavior in action.
Examples of negative reinforcement include: dislikes,
virtual bullying/trolling, decreased views, cancellation,
demonetization, losing social contacts, ostracization.
This creates fear of loss and therefore the “pain avoidance”
behavior.
Because pleasure (seeking) and pain (avoidance)
are emotions, with time one becomes trained in
operating only based on emotions, like
a self-inflicted pavlov effect, thus avoiding,
repressing or even atrophying other important
cognitive processes like logical and critical thinking.
They start to respond only based on what they perceive
will be the consequence of their actions, in this case,
the externalization of their opinions, which are the
trigger for the emotions of pain and pleasure, so they
start to unconsciously adopt the opinions and behavior
that will maximize the pleasure and minimize
the pain experience, according to what is
dictated by their social entourage.
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Kevin MURPHY said:
@ virusmyth666 Read Lebon’s The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind. It’s free on the internet. It’s a late nineteenth century book. I am critical of certain elements of the book and he uses possible fake events as evidence for his hypothesis, nonetheless, it’s a good read. I think you might get something out of it or at least get intellectual stimulation or perhaps pleasure from it.
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Greg from Mass said:
@kevin Murphy
My wife works at the VA also. She’s been using religious exemption without much issue. I do decontamination in hospital pharmacies. We’re both prepared to lose our jobs, not in a financial sense but we will deal.
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Boris Tabaksplatt said:
The owners of the Shoaha need to keep Trump in the public eye, so that he can be reinstalled as the knight in shinning armour who will save America after the Democrats complete their planned disintegration…
Hero to zero and back again is a classic showbiz meme.
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Sven Swensen said:
I can’t argue that hero-zero-return_of_hero is a classic theme in the P-Navy’s projects, but if Trump is reinstated into the Oval Office than we’re gonna need more mental hospitals.
Funny you should post the Knight in shining armor. My best guess is that we’ll see an “unknown”, charismatic, competent, and probably attractive leader emerge from the shadows, and gain popular and united support. This unknown will play a key role in the transition period of martial law, and then become pseudo-dictator for a period of time.
And at the end of the day, that probably won’t be good. But if there’s one thing that’s certain, it’s total guesswork when it comes to predicting the details of the project script. We just know who the major players will be in the family trees, and where the end game is headed.
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Dent Arthur Dent said:
I just don’t see any of that happening. Teetering on the edge of widespread violence? I don’t see it. My crystal ball shows America and the West going quietly into the night with barely a whimper. But then, who will enable the PN? They would have no power if everyone turned into meek zombies. Who would fund their fever dreams?
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Sven Swensen said:
While most people don’t want to see violence, the P-Navy has no qualms about taking it from their playbook. These sociopaths started a couple of WORLD wars for crying out loud.
Maybe I’ll be wrong, but I see all the ingredients – 18+ months of stress, uncertainly, moving goalposts, confusion, and a complete lack of leadership for the common good. A definite set of actions by our leaders to increase divisiveness. Slow Joe is the kind of leader you get before a civil war.
The West may go quietly into the night in terms of their influence on the World Stage, but as empires and civilizations collapse, the rise of violence and warbands and the like are usually in the mix.
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R T said:
China or India.
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Ludolf Brunner said:
Greetings from Austria. I write to ask about simple basic question about 9/11 in New York City. Now I know after some research that we will never uncover the answer. I can say that I was there in Manhattan that day. I lived uptown. But I grabbed a pair of binoculars I kept in my apartment and walked down West Side Highway. I can tell you those building were gone. My question here is what is the most logical explanation of what force/entity took down those buildings and why. Was it the biggest project ever perpetrated on the human race in Operation Chaos? If so, who were the actors? This is an open question and one which will be at best speculative. I’m just curious to hear what folks here think. Ludolf
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Boris Tabaksplatt said:
911 is OLD NEWS, I’m afraid, so is off-topic on this CURRENT EVENTS thread.
Read Miles Mathis papers on the topic and all will be revealed here…
What I Wish David Ray Griffin had said to Amy Goodman.
http://mileswmathis.com/grif.html
Contra Penn Jillette
http://mileswmathis.com/gill.html.
A Reply to J.R. Dunn of American Thinker, by Laura Could
http://mileswmathis.com/dunn.html
An Exchange with Noam Chomsky.
http://mileswmathis.com/chom.html
What Can I Do? A list of things you can do right now.
http://mileswmathis.com/what.html
New Analysis of the Evan Fairbanks Video.
http://mileswmathis.com/evan.html
WTC TP Official Report of the Collapse of WTC7
http://mileswmathis.com/wtc.html
All gems, hope you enjoy them.
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rsack said:
Thanks Boris. Yes you are correct. I am hereby ANNOUNCING to all here that this forum is currently being overrun by SPOOKS/SPIES/INFILTRATORS. it’s fucking sickening (This is the first time I am openly using foul language on this forum, although I use it daily in my personal life; I feel it’s merited here in this situation). Just because josh has been too busy to babysit everyone who can’t or won’t or has no intention to behave here doesn’t mean you assholes can just take over this forum. Make no mistake. This is an attack upon us. Some of the regular posters/followers/contributors are following/feeding into this and I suggest you all WAKE UP. PLEASE DONT BE FOOLS! I won’t name names here, but I’ve been in contact with Josh, and a major housecleaning is coming. Or else we may as well abandon this effort and close this forum down, and perhaps start a new one with people we trust. I am ashamed to see some of the infighting here among people who should be banding together. This is not the time to let your guard down or let pride get in the way of the whole point of gathering/discussing on this awesome platform Josh has started and maintained for the GREATER GOOD OF OUR WORLD AND OUR OUR EXISTENCE WITHIN IT. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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Josh said:
@rsack I agree with you how unfortunate it is to see so much infighting. After receiving some complaints via e-mail about particular posters, I have temporarily suspended some people’s commenting privileges until I can sort everything out. Hopefully on Saturday. I’m not going to name names — you will know who you are if your comments don’t go through or aren’t approved retroactively by me.
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rsack said:
Thanks josh. Sorry, didn’t mean to be so incendiary, was angry and venting. Also trying to “cut through the fog”, so to speak, with a bit of an acerbic tongue.
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Sven Swensen said:
Hi Ludolf – I’d suggest starting here for 9/11 at these links on Miles’ site since most here agree with many of his conclusions.
http://mileswmathis.com/link.html
http://mileswmathis.com/911.html
The short answer is it was a false flag attack to allow justification for military adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq, justification to pass new laws in the United States to increase government control, and for insurance fraud and stock market gains.
Any doubt that it was an event along the lines of the official narrative were dispelled in my mind when taking a closer look at Building 7.
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Fredster said:
whats speculative about it? Its pretty obvious that it was the The Phoenician Scammers that staged it with help of the Phony controlled Media, Phony controlled Academia and an endless army of Phony Shills and they had planned this long ahead, after all the WTC towers fell exactly 33 years after they started building them, from 68 to 01. what a coincidence right?
I bet these Towers were ALWAYS meant for the purpose of this falseflag scam and were build in a way so they could be easily collapsed in their own footprint with minimal effort.
Proof for that is all the predictive programming that they snuck into the Media long before it happened. They couldnt contain their hype.
“who were the actors?”
quote from Phonypedia:
“David Rockefeller suggested that the Port Authority build a World Trade Center there.”
“Was it the biggest project ever perpetrated on the human race in Operation Chaos?”
Isnt their Corona Scam like 100 times bigger than 9/11 by now?
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Sunshine said:
They did tell us as early as 20 years prior to 9/11 that the King of Terror from the Greater Arabia with the blue
bloodturban will strike New City from air and make the sky burn.See below from the minute 1:11:00 onwards.
The Man Who Saw Tomorrow (1981) narrated by Orson Welles
https://archive.org/details/The_Man_Who_Saw_Tomorrow_1981_VHSRip
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tony martin said:
There’s a theory that says that explosives were actually built into the twin towers upon construction so that just in case anything happened they could destroy it without damage to the rest of Manhattan which actually happened.
I can’t find the article on the Internet because it probably was scrubbed.
They knew that the buildings were eventually gonna have to come down in the future so they put explosives in upon construction.
I heard they couldn’t get insurance for the buildings unless they did this.
Sounds crazy and who knows if it’s true or not but these people are crazy so anything is possible. That doesn’t mean they couldn’t have added extra explosives to make sure the job was done with a little help from a Direct Energy weapon like Judy Wood wrote about to finish off the job.
I’m not saying that I know this for certain…. it was just a theory that I read about.
But if I was an evil mastermind it would seem like a good idea if I were able to “pull it” off.
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Fredster said:
“I heard they couldn’t get insurance for the buildings unless they did this.”
Lloyds did the Insurance, they also did the Titanic and the Hindenburg…
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tony martin said:
Like I said.. It’s just a theory that I read about a long time ago.
All I know it was definitely “controlled demolition” … how that happened I don’t know. But it was not what the government told us.
Their conspiracy theory is that two planes hit and they just fell down. Just normally happens all the time … just walk away nothing to see here boys and don’t worry your little heads about it.
We are the government … you could trust us.
That’s the government’s “Official Conspiracy Theory” and it’s bullshit.
the·o·ry
A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
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Michael Deloatch said:
In retrospect, 9-11 made a nice “icebreaker” / opening act for 2020 and covid, didn’t it. Raising (or lowering depending on how you look at it) the bar for outrageous hidden power stunts.
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FiddleSticks said:
Judy Woods is just more mis-direction. Space weapons (real or imagined) weren’t needed. I know that Miles liked some of Simon Shacks research, but later on decided he didn’t trust him. I wouldn’t completely disagree with that, but with ALL of the years of 9-11 research I have done, I believe info on the “Clues Forum” is as close to the truth that we may ever get. I really don’t find much there that doesn’t make sense when you’ve reached the bottom of the rabbit hole.
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tony martin said:
You could believe whatever you wanna believe and I don’t say I know the complete truth but it’s still word a investigation.
One of the emergency vehicles from the New York-Presbyterian convoy saw vehicles that were destroyed in in a weird way on September 11th.
Can you explain to me how this happened?
How did this happen from two planes?
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FiddleSticks said:
There weren’t any planes Tony.
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FiddleSticks said:
“How did this happen from two planes?”
It didn’t Tony. There were no planes. That picture, if real is of the aftermath from the controlled demo of the buildings, which was done while lower Manhattan was smoked out. The demo was done by the same company that would demo ANY large building/skyscraper in NYC.
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tony martin said:
That was just a figure of speech.
I was saying how did this destruction happen? And it couldn’t be caused by two planes. that’s all I meant by my statement.
I know there were no planes that actually hit the World Trade Center.
Maybe they were plane flybys to fool everybody. But I don’t know because people in New York that I know said they saw the planes flying that day.
And I know people personally that saw the collapse first hand. I ran away so I didn’t see it. But I saw it in my rearview mirror.
I was there that day too and I got out of there as fast as I could on the West side highway in my van.
I actually slept in my van the night before waiting to go to the union hall.
Then when I was in the union hall we saw it on the TV and I ran out of there as fast as I could and got on the Westside highway.
This is something I’m familiar with first hand.
I’m not gonna stick up for Judy Woods…. because I don’t know what exactly happened that day. But there was definitely some weird shit going on.
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tony martin said:
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tony martin said:
FDR Drive
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rolleikin said:
I’m not saying I agree or disagree with Judy Wood or that she is or isn’t a spook but I think tony martin is right. There were some weird aspects to the collapse of the towers that have not been satisfactorily explained by anybody who dismisses Judy’s statements. I’ve seen lots of footage of controlled demolitions of buildings and they can be made to collapse in a similar fashion to the WTC towers but these demolitions don’t turn buildings into dust and they don’t melt cars.
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Philip Cox said:
There’s a traveling 9/11 Exhibit coming to my town tomorrow. They have half of downtown closed off for “Patriots Day”. Not the first time they done something like this. Years ago they brought in a Abraham Lincoln exhibit after Miles published his paper on Lincoln, complete with a Paul Bunyan sized statue of him parked in front of the courthouse like some Golden Calf.
Wish I had something I could hand out, besides just speaking truth.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
I think that even 1993 bomb in the basement was part of the plan.
If you shake the complex with enough energy you will get the ‘ringing’ base frequency like with strings (open string) or xylophone. If you know the exact base tone frequency all you need to do is to add overtones until you get to the breaking point. I wonder if they used overtone sequence to the extent that even molecular bonding could be compromised. I think that explosives, if at all, were used only to initiate the collapse once the buildings were in resonance throughout and for the ‘airplane’ artistic hole add-ons. Once the buildings begun to disintegrate due to destructive resonating the wast amount of the Energy of the lower end of the vibratory spectrum (frequencies that ripped the buildings apart) had nowhere to go but to help higher resonant vibrations in breaking the molecular bonds on the way down. What once were Buildings fell singing all the way down. Lingering double bass’ echo carried the piccolo’s solo up and beyond the horizon.
With the Building 7 they didn’t have base frequency figured out, so they had to explode some basement bombs first to get the reading and even then it took them some time to figure out the exact overtone sequence needed for the building to begin ‘ringing’ and at the same time being matched with the destructive resonance of molecular bonding.
My hope is that I’m wrong and that they used explosives throughout the complex. The more exotic (sounding) explanation frightens me, since it suggests repeat-ability and they can use it any-hoax anytime.
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Jared Magneson said:
Your last few statements were more accurate. The “ringing” thing is more of an urban myth than anything else. No buildings have been demolished with man-made sonics alone, as far as I am aware. Remember that in any building there are a plethora of materials involved, so one magic frequency won’t really apply, and even then the building has to remain structurally intact for some amount of time, or it wouldn’t stand at all to begin with. Architecture isn’t very mysterious. The ARTISTRY that used to be involved, yes indeed, but not the principals. Bread and butter.
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Logan said:
Here is a well-argued piece that the plandemic can be explained entirely, starting as early as June 2019, in terms of central bank measures to forestall a repeat in spades of the 2008 debt crisis:
“https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-collapse-and-pandemic-simulation/”
Timeline in brief
June 2019: BIS documents overheating in the leveraged loan market
August 2019: Blackrock paper urging money printing to prevent downturn, confirmed at the Fed Res meeting Jackson Hole
Sept 2019 spike in repo rates overnight to 10.5%, Fed pumps $100s of billions into Wall Street, Trump signs Vaxx task force exec order
Oct 2019 Event 201
Jan 2020 Wuhan lockdown
Mar 2020 WHO delcares Plandemic
also:
–the stock market did not collapse (in March 2020) because lockdowns had to be imposed; rather, lockdowns had to be imposed because financial markets were collapsing. With lockdowns came the suspension of business transactions, which drained the demand for credit and stopped the contagion.
–Between September 2019 and March 2020, the Fed injected more than $9 trillion into the banking system, equivalent to more than 40% of US GDP.
etc.
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perplexed1984 said:
This aligns with what I have heard from an acquaintance who has been doing a deep dive into things. It’s pretty openly documented as the article points out.
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Ray said:
“On the money,” Logan. Nice.
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R T said:
That assumes the “debt crisis” was a crisis at all, and that they would want to stall or avoid another one in the first place. It’s not a smart assumption. For them it wasn’t a crisis. So why would they want to avoid another one?
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perplexed1984 said:
It’s not easy for these guys to flawlessly handle whatever happens. Every major shift creates a certain amount of risk for them, and certainly collateral damage on a large number of their trained toadies and branch kin. They are buffered and may be fine, but they aren’t omnipotent.
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Jared Magneson said:
So the Queen’s $400T+ isn’t enough of a buffer?
There was no “debt crisis”. It was yet another in a long, long line of ploys to steal more money from those who actually earned it. Just like everything else those people do.
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Wayne said:
US Dollars are created by issuing US Treasuries which are interest bearing debt notes.
China is loaded up with US Treasury notes. holding the largest share of the Treasuries held ex-USA.
China starts dumping those notes, and the US Dollar heads toward toilet paper valuations.
A Financial Doomsday weapon. But nobody would want that, right?
Remember Phoenicians and their Phoenix mythology. An aging Phoenix builds a funeral pyre, then claps its wings to create a spark that ignites the pyre. A new Phoenix is birthed from the ashes of the old. The new Phoenix gathers the ashes (physical wealth) of the old empire into a sacred urn and flies up to deliver it to a god, my guess that would be Mammon.
America and the Dollar can die, the Phoenicians will just move on taking their physical wealth to a new host empire.
A cycle they have repeated for millennia.
They have no plans to ever ascend to a higher plane of existence.
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kocotube01 začasni said:
From ‘waste-plan’ to ‘debt-plan’ to ‘inflated-waste-land’.
Could it so simple as: it’s a roller-coaster ‘ride’ and once it starts to go you are just a passenger. Only thing you can be sure is that it ends at the bottom for most.
The P-N was aware as much as seventy years ago that – because they went with ‘planned obsolescence model’ even before WW2 – the industrial production versus customers’ purchasing power ratio will peak in the mid 70s and decided that the best way to continue the charade of economic success ‘ride’ is by going with a ‘debt-as-growth’ model (that’s why the towers were being built in that particular time as a mise en scène to house turbo debt creation institutions with Mr. Hollywood Gekko on the top) and when the charade would begin to collapse they had already planned the next step, that is to disperse that debt obligations among unsuspecting people (investors and wage workers) through’ inflation-as-robbery’ model. All the so called crises – from oil shortages to stock exchange blackouts to physical, energy and financial collapses and every single one of the phony wars – were just carefully planned and executed misdirections and catalyzing nudges to keep the current ‘ride’ going until the next ‘ride’ is finally built. The next one will be based on ‘chip-to-run’ model.
Don’t forget that the initial plan, the progenitor of it all, is the now almost hundred years old ‘planned obsolescence’ model. And its nature is to make everything and everyone that plays part in the economy ‘ride’ eventually an obsolete entity.
You feel obsolete yet? That is why a new model, more ‘sustainable’ one was devised by the ‘ride’ owners. And now they are also concerned with your feelings, health and waste you produce.
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Ali said:
@Ray
“The context of this particular thread, Jared, is that Ali would further try to persuade Josh of the shortcomings of viral theory by pointing out the corrupting effect on a cell viewed through an electron microscope.”
Exactly and thanks for your support by the way !
My assumption is that to assess the existence of any viruses you have to get things in order first and only then, hereafter, you could arrive at a conclusion.
Anyway, i wasn’t trying to convince on my 1st comment regarding this subject, i was just here to guide those who really wanted really to dig this matter.
But well, it seems that my ‘mistakes’ has turned me a little into the ‘center of attention’ of this thread and i did that on purpose but shhh..
Indeed no better way to attract other people simply by making mistakes and get corrected..
And about those ‘mistakes’, i have a lot to say since i read a very talkative book on the matter which is entitled : The Living Cell, a re-examination of its fine structure by Dr H.Hillman and P.Sartory, First Published in 1980
Since my purpose was only to focus on the effects of the electron beam applied on a cell sample without concerning myself about outside preparations issues, i think this book may have some elements that can lead you to a certain conclusion.
First for the contention about the potential voltage(1000kV) not being applied ‘directly’ on the sample(raised by 3rd doorman), i think people have to understand that this potential has an effect whether it is indirect or not to the sample studied.
So to get out of this confusion, let’s see what Dr Harold Hillman has to said on what is really going regarding the matter and quote handfuls of passage from the book i spoke earlier :
P30, The Living Cell, a re-examination of its fine structure by Dr H.Hillman, I quote :
“In the electron microscope, on the other hand, the object is BOMBARDED with electrons, WHICH ARE PARTICLES HAVING A HIGH RELATIVE MASS COMPARED WITH THE PHOTON BEAM.
A CHANGE OF MAGNIFICATION in the electron instrument MAY BE PRODUCED among other means BY CHANGING THE ACCELERATING VOLTAGE.
THE ENERGY can be TRANSMITTED AT MANY THOUSANDS OF ELECTRON VOLTS, WHICH AT ONCE PRECLUDES THE EXAMINATION OF LIVING MATERIAL; furthermore, A VERY HIGH VACUUM is NECESSARY FOR ELECTRONS TO TRAVERSE THE INSTRUMENT AT ALL.
THE ELECTRON ARE PARTICULATE, SO that DIFFRACTION CAN NOT TAKE PLACE IN THE INSTRUMENT.
THE PARTICULES WHICH HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF ENERGY ARE CONCENTRATED ON THE OBJECT BY MEANS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC ‘LENSES’.”
Another interesting passage of the same book, P31 :
“MUCH HEAT is DISSIPATED IN THE SPECIMEN, and THE TEMPERATURE IN METALLIC SPECIMENS UNDER ELECTRON MICROSCOPY has been SHOWN TO RISE BY HUNDREDS OF DEGREES (Reimer, 1965;
Reimer and Christenhusz, 1965: Watanabe, Someya and Nagahama, 1970; Grubb and Keller, 1972a, b); THE LOW VACUUM 10~5 to 10~4 torr NOT ONLY INCREASES EVAPORATION BUT ALSO PREVENTS HEAT DISSIPATION EXCEPT BY RADIATION; DISSIPATION OF HEAT BY CONDUCTION CAN ONLY TAKE PLACE IN THOSE REGIONS WHERE THE EMBEDDED SPECIMEN IS IN CONTACT WITH THE GRID.”
A passage you must be wary of, P32 :
“Thirdly, the electrons STRIKE the’specimen BECAUSE THEY ARE AIMED AT IT.
THE HEAT IS GENERATED WHENEVER AN ELECTRON HITS THE ELECTRON DENSE METAL, WHICH HAS BEEN DEPOSITED ON THE TISSUE.”
Also, P32, i quote again :
“THE HIGHER THE VOLTAGE USED, THE GREATER THE VELOCITY OF THE ELECTRONS MUST BE, AND THE GREATER WILL BE THE MOMUNTUM that THE ELECTRONS WILL POSSESS; THEREFORE, THEY WILL RELEASE MORE ENERGY ON IMPACT with the heavy atoms of the stain.
THIS WILL RAISE THE TEMPERATURE AND THE AMOUNT OF RADIATION IN THE REGION OF THE METAL ATOMS, which will damage and distort them, and make them oscillate.
Furthermore, THE HIGHER THE VOLTAGE USED, THE LARGER NUMBER OF ELECTRONS ARE FIRED, AND THEREFORE THE GREATER WILL BE THE QUANTITY OF HEAT DISSIPATED.”
So i maintain what i say earlier on this thread about the issue raise simply by high voltage.
Under electron microscopy, the heat brought by accelerating voltage doesn’t simply vanish.
1000kV may not be applied on the sample directly but nonetheless electrons do have to carry a certain amount of energy for magnification purpose, which could result by overheating/irradiating any LIVING cells.
N.B : For those who want to see where do i take my references, i will try to put some photos of the passage coming from this book later in this thread.
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oregonmatt said:
There are a few Hillman videos on the tube, where he details with pictures some of the artefacts caused by the mechanics of the TEM process.
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTsPFGRCNoo&t=34s
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zao6_VwGFz4&t=4s
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Ali said:
@OregonMatt
You have my gratitude for these videos !
Since i saw on the first video that some of the passages that i have quoted are repeated word by word, i would invite everyone to see the first link you have posted to get a better grasp of the challenges that got to be adressed first in order to observe a cell in a decent living conditions.
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tony martin said:
I understand what you’re saying … but you better check your keyboard for the All Caps button.
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Jared Magneson said:
There are so many physics errors in that person’s writing and thought-process, I hardly even know where to begin.
I guess, the premise HOLDS? I get what he’s saying and it makes sense, but almost everything he says about electrons and photons is wrong. Except the mass difference, basically. He also doesn’t know what energy or radiation are, or heat itself. We always run into these kinds of problems though, so don’t take this as a personal rebuttal or attack or anything, Ali.
I’m just saying WE meaning anyone who’s studied Mathis have a far, far better understanding of physics than even the best doctors, as well as all the mainstream physicists too of course. Those guys are frauds to a man. But it’s no surprise that most doctors don’t know any of this stuff, either. This isn’t ego, it’s operational definition stuff and very basic – SHOULD be very basic, to anyone.
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Ali said:
Admittedly, he isn’t aware of Miles’work (why would he?) but even if his thought doesn’t process efficiently, what do you make about this statement of his ?
“The temperature in metallic specimens under electrons microscopy has been shown to rise by hundreds of degrees”
You can see this claim textually re-transcripted word by word on the first link-video(at 21:08) posted by OregonMatt, here : https://www.youtube.com/watchv=tTsPFGRCNoo&t=34s
So do you really think he is so handicapped by not knowing Miles Works, that he isn’t even able to assess a BASIC temperature ?
I don’t think so..
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Jared Magneson said:
True, I don’t find any flaw in that reasoning. The temperatures MUST rise, since the input of photons (charge) has increased.
But you see, the “why would he?” part is a huge problem in all fields. As the very foundation of anything material, physics ALWAYS applies. As I said before, it doesn’t mean his premise doesn’t hold and I concur with that.
The reason I’m so obnoxious about the physics is that AS the foundation for all reality, it need not be warped, twisted, or misleading. It doesn’t have to be a lie. One can more readily and easily find the truth – and this or any doctor can find it just as easily as I did. Any study of E/M should lead one to physics. Any study of charge, electrons, etc. should lead one to the physics. I’m not saying it’s perfect but armed with Miles’ Charge Theory, even a student such as myself is in a far better position to analyze these things than almost anyone else around, including electrical engineers and (cough) paid physicists as well. We’ve seen this thousands of times.
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Jake said:
Next Saturday is September 18th, and it will be the CIA’s 74th birthday. I predict something particularly fucked will happen.
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Wayne said:
If Reverend Moon weren’t dead, he could deliver a third speech on September 18.
He gave the first at Madison Square Garden in 1974 (47 -> 74), and the second at the Washington Monument in 1976, (Bicentennial year of the spooky birth of a nation.)
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alexrimmer0973 said:
I believe everyone (nearly) in Australia received a text message from Craig Kelly and the Palmer United (billionaire Clive Palmer) including a link to our official TGA vaccine death and injury statistics. Exactly what I expected on 9/11 except it is a day early here. This is what it’s really about now let’s see where it goes.
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benjamin said:
I saw that reported, but never got any message. Maybe he’s not targeting the electorate I’m in. It is no doubt an attempt to blackwash us. Nobody wants to be associated with Clive Palmer.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
I don’t think it is about electorates. I don’t even think it’s black washing it’s just the TGA official figures for vaccine injury and Death. If Palmer had your number you got the message if he didn’t you missed out. I just believe this is where they are pushing it now. Seriously Israel 4th Jab they are baiting people. It will be all over social media for 9-11 tomorrow.
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Benjamin said:
I mean, I’m all for sharing figures about vaccine injuries and deaths, but if everyone starts associating anti-vaxxers with Clive Palmer and United Australia Party, that’s definitely a blackwash. Still, it does seem dumb to expose themselves in such a way, unless the push hard right (which has merit, but I’m not yet convinced about) is more imminent than it seems.
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A Spirit said:
@alexrimmer & Benjamin
Can you elaborate a little on what happened, or provide a (not very spun) link? I am very interested about what’s going on in Australia.
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Benjamin said:
Clive Palmer is a Donald Trump type character – an oversized buffoon on politics right – but unlike Trump, he doesn’t belong to a major party, and has no supporters. He supposedly spent $83 million last election campaign and won not a single seat. He is a billionaire who owns mines in the state of Western Australia. Western Australia has taken a hardline stance this plandemic and kept its borders closed to other states, in order to keep the ‘Rona out. Apparently Clive’s political party – United Australia – sent a text message to large portions of the population with official adverse vaccine reaction figures from our countries database (TGA). He is using this to oppose vaccines, and protest lockdowns. It will be painted in the media as mass spam, done in the name of self interest, for the sake of his West Australian mines, and to win votes from the right in upcoming elections, and whatever other means he uses to advertise his message will be ridiculed as an attempt to buy his way to power. The people who ridicule him for this will conveniently forget all parties do the same. Anyone in media who airs his message compassionately will be criticised for prioritising financial greed over ethics. The takeaway for the general population will be that anti vaxxers are far right nut jobs who operate only in self interest, and any pleas for freedom are just smokescreens hiding conflict of interest. At least, I think that is what the spooks are hoping for in staging this. It’s possible they are hoping people will ignore the source and focus solely on the data, in order to increase vax resistance and promote a hard right swing, but that seems unlikely to me.
If the lockdowns continue, it’s also possible Clive will take someone to court and lose (Clive is always going to court for one thing or another), thus proving to the unvaxxed that you can’t win on legal grounds. If the billionaire fails, what chance do you have? (But maybe he will win, again, the swing right angle).
His sidekick is Craig Kelly. Remember our former hero Ned?
Click to access kelly.pdf
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Benjamin said:
Edit 1: Seems unlikely to me… because for that response, they should have had someone respectable release the information.
Edit 2: The term ‘swing right’ is a bit of a misnomer here, for the right is currently in government. But the terms right and left don’t really mean anything for the two major parties – they both support vaccinations, lockdowns, masks etc…
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stonesmasher said:
https://youtu.be/RMha-fef8RM Maskless Sydney man arrested,has “heart attack”. Analysis anyone?
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Klausy1078 said:
I believe 9/11 was 50 years in the making. I’ve studied occult and freemasonry for almost a decade now. There are a couple of obvious signatures behind the event itself. Although ‘speculative’ as said above, I believe they indicate a most certain conspiratorial group couched in deepest power and secrecy. Given the fact that the whole complex was owned, developed, and built by the Rockefellers in conjunction with the Port Authority of New York City, you cannot deny the Freemasons were behind every single mechanism which raised those awful ugly structures at the Southern tip of the Island. But ask yourself who settled the southern tip of Manhattan in the 15th century? Answer: the Rockefellers! In fact, my theory is that the Rockefellers / Freemasons own the entire southern end of the Island, perhaps the entire island of Manhattan itself. So 9/11 may have been 500 years in the making. Considering the Rockefellers are one of the most powerful Freemasonic families in all of Western Civilization, with origins within the Templars and the Rosicrucians, they actually make the Rothschilds look like paupers. Now let’s look at the Towers themselves. Two twins, Boaz and Jachin in ancient Babylonian / Freemasonic tradition. But knowing how deeply connected Freemasonry and Astrology have been since the most ancient records of history, the Towers were identical the constellation Gemini. Just look into the winter evening sky and you cannot mistake the constellation Gemini for the Twin Towers. Now let’s talk a little about the first planet in the Freemasonic astrological pecking order: SATURN. Saturn is the Sabbath, the sickle, the harvest, death, Old Man, time, the undertaker. Saturn symbolizes servitude, destruction, winter, cold, winter. Saturn and the Phoenix are two of the most powerful Freemasonic symbols the Order worships. 9/11 was the living real-time Phoenix. Building rising from the ashes of death. The symbolism is ineluctable. But the biggest signature of 9/11 is something only I have discovered, a signature which is the fingerprint ineluctable. On the morning of 9/11, Saturn was in the 11th degree of Gemini. That kind of precision comes only from one agency, the Ancient and Accepted Rite.
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Josh said:
@Klausy, try substituting Phoenician for Freemason.
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Helen Papadopoulos said:
All Phoenicians are Freemasons. Freemasonry is yet another thing they hijacked from the Greeks and weaponized it for their own advancement.
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archer-d said:
The towers themselves spell 11 !
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tony martin said:
Another thing I always wanted to say is.
What’s up with all these crazy names or handles?
Why can’t it be Joe, Sam, David, John, James, Richard, Brian, Michael, or a real fucken name.
At least Jared has a real name and… I posted too Josh my real email address which is Tony Martin.
The only thing left is R2D2?
Why should we take you seriously if you can’t post your real name?
I think people are afraid to post here with their real name because they think the spooks are gonna get after them?
Believe me.. they already have your IP address no matter what name you use.
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Vexman said:
This logic goes both ways, Tony. Is anybody using their real name on the internet justified to receive more trust from readers? Does real name make anybody a person of trust per se? Looking at the spooks with real names, one could argue exactly the opposite of what you’re trying to convey here as a logical conclusion.
The only way to find out about the truth yourself is getting to the bottom of it wih personal effort and involvement. Ever heard of the old saying “errare humanum est”, meaning “to be wrong is to be human”? It’s a natural path for any truth seeker to be wrong sometimes. Educating yourself on the subject is the only way to achieve objectivity when assesing the truth about any subject. There’s no way to tell about the content that any name (fake or real) writes about, unless you have that knowledge yourself. You can’t transfer your own responsibility for giving trust on to another party. Meaning, it’s your own obligation to verify everything anybody says or claims personally, regardless of whether they’re using real names or just monikers.
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alexrimmer0973 said:
Personally Tony I would be more worried about employers and acquaintances than spooks, for the reasons you suggested.
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rolleikin said:
“Why should we take you seriously if you can’t post your real name?”
In my opinion, anyone who posts their real first and last name along with information about their location or other personal information on an internet forum where controversial subjects are discussed needs to have their head examined. They definitely need schooling in what creeps can be done with personal information.
Using a “real name” definitely does not make me take them more seriously than someone who uses a screen name like the vast majority of others do.
And, how do you know any of the “real names” you see are actually their real names anyway? I could post under “Joe Billingsly” and everybody would just assume that was my real name. Ha, ha, ha. How clever of me.
Sorry, Tony. I enjoy your posts but I can’t agree with this one.
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rolleikin said:
errata:
“what creeps can be done with personal information.”
should be …
“what creeps can do with personal information.”
🙂
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Dent Arthur Dent said:
I’ll fess up, my real name is Lenny Cohen, I live in Salem, MA, and my birthday is August 11. Trust me, now? 😀
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tony martin said:
At least Miles Mathis uses his real name.
I thought we were supposed to not have “weak allies”. They have your IP address anyway.
Unless you’re afraid of the spooks coming to your door in a black van.
I have to reveal to everybody my real name… Santa Claus.
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rolleikin said:
It’s not about spooks and IP addresses. Neither is needed for some pissed-off nut to find you and let you know what he thinks of your “conspiracy theories.” Just posting your real name and location is more than enough.
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Relax and live well said:
Not using real names when posting online does not make someone a ‘weak ally’.
Just like Miles said in that paper, ‘weak allies’ personally attacked anyone not agreeing with them.
Read properly before you quote any of Miles’ paper, will you?
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Relax and live well said:
“Why should we take you seriously if you can’t post your real name?”
Are you personally attacking everyone not using their real name in this forum?
Josh, could you ban tony permanently for personally attacking other forum members?
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rsack said:
Look, @relax and live well. There are certainly quite a few folks that have been commenting recently on this forum that appear to forum spies/infiltrators. But let’s not call for the permanent ban of a regular contributor that is obviously not one of those just because you might not personally agree with a thing they said. I may be a little embarrassed by the out of control comment/rant I posted above, but I hold with the sentiment that those of us that ARE genuine folks dedicated to a common purpose here should stand together and not allow ourselves to be divided for foolish reasons. The main reason we all converge here is because we are aware of the divide and conquer strategy (among many other things) of our enemies. Let’s please not aid them in their pursuit of that goal.
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Relax and live well said:
@rsack
“Why should we take you seriously if you can’t post your real name?”
Is this not a personal attack to anyone not using their real names in this forum?
Did I accuse tony for being a forum spy/infiltrator ?
Just because tony is being a ‘regular contributor’, does it allow him to make personal attack against anyone not using their real name?
You told me to not call permanent ban to tony just because I didn’t agree personally agree with what he said…
And what about tony?
Just because he didn’t personally agree with anyone not using their real names, he said that they cannot be taken seriously…
I called for permanent ban because it is a personal attack which not only directed to a person, not because I thought he was a spook…
Cannot be taken seriously because not using any real names…That statement alone can also be taken as accusation against anyone not using their real names for being spooks…
Are you telling me that what tony did is not wrong and ask me to tolerate him instead?
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rsack said:
I’m telling you to wipe the sand out of your vagina! To be honest, I don’t care what you do. You can choose to ignore him, or you can have whatever private opinion of him (or anyone else for that matter!) that you want, or you can just scram and not read this forum anymore. You got a lot of options, bud. I don’t think you need Tony’s personal seal approval to exist here, my friend 🤪
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Vexman said:
The very same goes to you, bud. Just who do you think you are? Your abrasiveness is creepy, to say the very least. Besides some arguments above, which have resolved themselves in a few days, there was nothing out of ordinary going around here, excprt for this right here. The fact that you’re still dwelling on this, pointing to a division, where there is none, is suspicious to me. Also, you’re supporting statements that are divisive in and by themselves, making me even more suspicious about what you’re trying to achieve here. Bud. You can choose all those options listed to Relax and help in restoring conversation to a point where it was, focusing on the content and not the messengers. What you’re doing here is exactly the opposite and it won’t go unnoticed.
What Tony said is illogical. And divisive. There’s no argument over it. It’s agitation in its best possible form, also a known spook tactics. So there’s all I need to know about your talent for spotting any spookiness.
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Josh said:
Vex, I want to add two things to your comment here to give some context. I got e-mails from multiple people complaining about this person or the other (actually one person in particular got the most complaints, and it wasn’t rsack. (In other words, it wasn’t all in his head.) The other thing is that rsack is Russell Sackett, the author of a few guest papers that Miles published on his site. FYI.
Russell, to give you some background, Vex is the only person who posts here that I have met in the flesh. We spent a few days hanging out in Sarajevo. So he is actually one of the very few people here who I can say with a great deal of certainty that he is not a spook. So please just tone things down.
Let’s all of us try to show each other some respect.
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Chris Ryska said:
@ Josh, Very well put. I totally hear you. I can’t figure out why Rolle and Jared have enmity, because I feel that they’re both pretty genuine. It’s disheartening.
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Boris Tabaksplatt said:
It called Marion Robert Morrison.syndrome. All the stars seem to have it.
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suntzufighting said:
Believe me Suntzufighting sounds waaay cooler than my real name😁
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Boris Tabaksplatt said:
Mmm, let me me guess – Willem Botha ?
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Gijs said:
Jack Parow ??
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rolleikin said:
In England it’s called the Archibald Leach Complex.
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Lewis reid said:
@In England
Or even Maurice Micklewhite complex. (“Not many people know that!”)
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suntzufighting said:
Then you get some people whose real name sounds made up. There is an actress called Tanit(!) Phoenix(!). It is her birth name. Red flags anybody?
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Lewis reid said:
I saw a baby called ‘Crimea’ once in a baby competition in the local rag many moons ago, I did wonder if she would marry a Mr. River or Mr. Ocean when she grew up…
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Jared Magneson said:
Making lots of friends here I see, Tony.
First day on the internet – AGAIN?
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tony martin said:
At least you have a real name.
I’m partial to John Doe myself.
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Michael Deloatch said:
On the very first occasion where I decided to post a comment here, for whatever technical reason that day, I had to create a Word Press account — or perhaps I already had one, I don’t recall. In any event, that account was associated with my own, real name. I am at a stage in life where I don’t really care what anyone thinks of me and in any event, I know nobody on the internet has true anonymity no matter what they think. Use VPN’s and twenty-five layers of encryption if you wish, you still can be discovered if the authorities so desire. No matter the “handle” I am posting under on-line I would never write something I do not stand behind.
I have no issue with some posters here using a cute screen name. On the other hand, I do object to being told I need my head examined for using my real name on line. My personal information has been pilfered several times as a matter of public record from such venerable institutions as a credit bureau, Blue Cross/Blue Shield health insurance … I lose count. When I last opened a bank account, I discovered that somebody had appropriated my social security number using another name and it was a hassle resolving that. So that horse left the stable a long time ago. Besides which, I have disclosed here before I have had my head examined in the past, anyway.
I went back and read more carefully some of what 3d doorman was saying and I appreciate where he was coming from. FYI I was always the class clown being sent down to the office for shooting off my big mouth and I guess that will never change.
I tried to resist the urge to respond in the past days but succumbed. Forgive me, friends.
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tony martin said:
All I’m saying is if you’re gonna get a fake name at least use a real name.
Not like.
Relax and live well
virusmyth666.
suntzufighting …what is that like Kung Fu fighting.
stonesmasher
A Spirit
R T
Never Give In
3rd doorman … yeah like you’re supposed to be the authority on the third door.
FiddleSticks
etc etc.
Yeah….. let’s see who shows up with another crazy name.
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suntzufighting said:
There is an old book by one Dale Carnegie, help me out here Tony, maybe you have read it?
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Chris Ryska said:
@ suntzufighting, Is the title something to do with: “Talking Dirty and Influencing People”?
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Wayne said:
@suntzufighting
Your screen name works on multiple levels.
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notabaron said:
Josh said: September 10, 2021 at 6:45 am
“how unfortunate it is to see so much infighting.”
and yet here you are Tony, instigating again.
move on bruh.
signed,
Stan Stanley
123 Gofuckyerself St.
Yeranasshole, Ca
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Chris Ryska said:
@ notabaron, I kid you not. There was a guy in my church {a small travelling Christian fellowship} by the name of Stan Avery. I didn’t know what a red flag that was to be, in the future. But anyway, the guy was a real intellectual who everyone was suspicious of. One time he asked for an owner’s name saying that he was putting together a list of owners {of housing that the church was allowed to use in the past}. So, before I gave him the name I wanted to work it out with someone that was more in authority than myself {which authority he seemed to despise} to which the answer came back an emphatic “No”, to which he didn’t take very well. Anyway, the guy became my instant enemy, working against me at practically every turn. Needless to say, years later, I was trying to reason with a “brother” about the possibility of him being a spy in our midst until I brought up the relevance of his name. At that point my idea was totally shunned, not to be considered for a minute.
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virusmyth666 said:
Tony Martin is right.
From now on Im dropping the 666.
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archer-d said:
use 18 instead for luck!
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Patrick said:
I’m fine with any name anyone wants to use as long as no one starts fooling around and summons a demon or something…
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FiddleSticks said:
No your not………put it back.
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rolleikin said:
“I do object to being told I need my head examined for using my real name on line.”
Sorry, Michael. I wasn’t picking on you in particular and I only mention it because I think it places people in harm’s way. I know some people get offended when I advise them not to poke the bear with a stick but I think it’s best to tell them anyway. 🙂
Also, it appears that my post about this is being misunderstood to mean stealing personal financial information for the purpose of fraud and that is not what I said or meant at all.
I mean using personal information to locate a person and do them harm because of their expressed opinions. It is very easy to do these days with just a name and a general location and there are plenty of nuts out there that know how.
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suntzufighting said:
Don’t waste your time, just skim thru.
They are really fucking with us.
Reminds me of the crowd funding campaign where a Ruth Bader Ginsburg Action Figure was promoted.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/sep/10/how-anthony-fauci-became-a-superstar
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Michael Deloatch said:
I am amazed with the length of his forearm. His upper left arm manifestly is going straight down, so his elbow must be bent at 90 degrees and his forearm reaches far enough across his better half to make his hand visible.
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Sunshine said:
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Kevin said:
““At the core of Tony’s popularity is that people intuit that this is a man who is speaking the truth and will not let anything stand in the way,” says John Hoffman, the co-director of a new documentary, Fauci. “Tony is the signal amid the noise. People are able to sense that there’s a lot of noise and their ears are trying to find the signal and Tony is the signal.””
gag
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Phil C said:
Ugh.. The guy just makes me sick.
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Wayne said:
Did you catch the hidden right hand in the top image?
His right hand is hidden by a Phoenician art project.
I think the tall woman has her hand up a puppet Fauci.
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FiddleSticks said:
Responding to some posts above regarding 9/11 (anniversary is tomorrow)…….specifically Judy Woods and her Wonder Weapons……not needed. And you have to put yourself in the perps shoes while planning this mass event. Can they be playing around with super high tech weaponry that they can’t fully predict what it will do, or the after effect? Have they had a lot of practice with DEW’s on skyscrapers? Don’t think so. Again, not needed. They couldn’t even use planes because what if they don’t hit their target dead on? What if their are survivors? Can’t have any loose ends. As for Tony’s (Judy Woods) toasted cars, most likely a by product of HERF and or EMP technology employed that day. The perps couldn’t risk having any REAL photos or video see the day of light because that sure would make all of the FAKE pics and videos look worse then they already do, So they definitely needed to jam electronics , cell phones, cameras, etc…..and EMP’s can cause heat in metal, causing it to expand until it runs out of space……popping off car door handles, scorching fenders etc. I’m not stating this as a fact, but it is very plausible and makes way more sense then Judy Woods tripe. Also, if the towers were empty, (no office furniture/file cabinets/toilets etc, the rubble pile wouldn’t be as high as it should have been. And since ALL pictures and video of 9/11 are fake, so are pictures of the rubble pile, firefighters and “dust.”
I think it’s sad that 20 yrs later, we haven’t completely figured out 9/11 down to the last grain of salt, and what the perps had for breakfast that day.
We are smarter then they will ever be.
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tony martin said:
You might be correct… but all l know there were buildings there and then they were gone.
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FiddleSticks said:
Yes Tony, they were demolished. But it doesn’t take “Space Weaponry” to accomplish this. We demolish buildings all of the time. A lot of smoke, a lot of propaganda and TV videos shoving it down your throat 24hrs a day for years and you’ll believe ANYTHING.
Sorry you don’t like my name…….shall I start posting under John Smith??
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tony martin said:
The videos were taken down where they show that it was demolished in too dust.
I remember these videos and … they’re all gone.
The World Trade Center towers with demolished into dust?
Dust is made of fine particles of solid matter.
There used to be a video of a fireman showing that when he went to the towers that everything was turned to dust… Even the telephones.
But you can’t find that video anymore.
Why is that?
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Phil C said:
@Tony. I just happened upon this video that I have never seen before, shot from the Hudson on a high quality camera. About 2 minutes in is the huge plume of dust engulfing everything in sight. “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HbD_Q6kmh8”
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tony martin said:
“The Towers didn’t burn up, nor did they slam to the ground. They turned (mostly) to dust in mid air.”
https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/
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FiddleSticks said:
The “videos” of the buildings turning into “dust” are FAKE. So you (and everyone else) didn’t see them collapse. Nobody saw anything except what they saw on TV which is all fake. There are NO actual witnesses (just CIA plants)
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Kevin said:
The videos and images would have to be fake otherwise the destruction of those WTC buildings does indeed not make much physical sense. Early in my truther journey I’ll admit I bought Woods’ book and found it pretty convincing. I’m not so sure DEWs exist, at least not at the scale that would be needed to destroy those buildings. Woods implies that Hurricane Erin was somehow used as their energy source but of course that’s also far-fetched. It is odd, however, that virtually no mention was made in the media of Hurricane Erin bearing down on Manhattan in the days leading up to 9/11, which could potentially have caused massive destruction and havoc on the city. I also find it odd that other WTC buildings like 3, 4, and 5 were pretty much pancaked, too, which doesn’t make sense since towers 1 and 2 did appear to drop neatly into their own footprints. But again if all the footage of that day is fake I guess we’re all tilting at windmills here.
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Fredster said:
I picked up an interesting quote the other day when skimming over the wiki page of the world trade center:
“The Twin Towers were described as looking similar to “the boxes that the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building came in”.”
Now what if they were actually mostly “empty boxes” made out of material that only had to last for 33 years?
They knew since the beginning what these would be used for so they had a lot of time to prepare and plan this show. no need for a space weapon if you made it out of cardboard or whatever to begin with. some sort of chemical reaction was going on there for sure. that would explain the dust, the reaction of the “dust” with cars, the missing rubble etc.
also ever noticed how hard they try to sell you the towers as sturdy buildings?
just read this ridiculous story from the guy who build it, hes a Koch too what a surpise:
“https://web.archive.org/web/20201111221907/https://www.newsday.com/lifestyle/a-steel-family-s-saga-building-the-world-trade-center-was-the-best-and-the-worst-thing-tht-ever-happened-to-karl-koch-and-his-family-1.359148”
and its not just this phony, they constantly try to mention everywhere how the buildings where such massive steel constructs who could survive plane impacts and bombings etc.
also remember that first WTC bombing, that must have been fake too but helped them sell the WTC towers as very robust because the bomb was allegedly so big but still not enough to make even a dent in the tower.
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Phil C said:
New paper up: http://mileswmathis.com/fauci.pdf
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Wayne said:
Strange file naming.
fauci.pdf
The site announcement:
“NEW PAPER, added 9/10/21, Ben and Jerry Boycotting Israel? You have to be kidding me.”
The paper is mostly about Ben & Jerry’s fake protest and Arizona’s actions against B&J.
Fauci is mentioned in a paragraph after the the double bar following the headline story about Ben & Jerry’s. Spooky Tucker Carlson thinks Congress should get the DOJ to bring spooky Fauci before Congress for questioning.
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Sven Swensen said:
Excellent summary of how distractions like Afghanistan are taking eyes off the expansion of tyranny. Today the “righties”, if you will, are up in arms about Biden’s speech/bluff last night, and many are shocked at how the corporate pushback has been lacking. Well, duh, ’cause that’s how fascism works. Not that I’m so smart. I think I’ve been guilty of entertaining a number of spy posts here on this forum.
I would add that while more people are awake now, there’s still plenty in Zombie mode from the relentless propaganda. It’s my opinion more of people will wake up as the boosters get pushed, and come to realize Covid is a huge CON on many levels. Of course even more of them will wake up if ADE/VEI kicks in and the Jabbed begin to die in higher numbers.
I would also add that while the P-Navy has squeezed the wealth from the lower and middle classes, the pain is just beginning, at least here in the U.S. Our standard of living when compared to world standards still has a long ways to go. We’ve been pushed off the edge of the Grand Canyon, dropped a few hundred feet, and have another 4700 or so to go. They’ve papered over many of the problems within the economy to prop up consumerism, but that’s coming to an end now. I honestly think that some of the lower and younger ranks in the P-Navy have gotten through to the Admirals to move forward with a great reset(and climate change), to allow their level of wealth and position to be maintained, while the vast majority of us get mud huts to live in.
At least that was my thought when the whole Covid wheeze began. The way they’ve pushed the clot shot and intentionally weakened health care facilities and the military is now making me think maybe a drastic reduction in population is the near term goal, which also will crash the economy.
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Jared Magneson said:
It seems like to me, for there to be a massive motion or surge, some type of catalyst or event would be in order. We’ve seen it in the past of course but much of that was fake. What that event might look like, I have no idea really. Erasmus and the Overmind type of thing, maybe, which sparked the Butlerian Jihad in the Dune chronicles. But I’m not sure what that would look like now, and most of all I hate waiting.
It certainly feels like a pivotal time. Let us hope the pivot isn’t too brutal, though I feel like it really must be for it to be real and effective.
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Benjamin said:
People here think everything gets back to normal with double vaccinations, because that’s what the oh so trustworthy politicians are saying. I have told them you only need to look at places like Israel to see that boosters are coming next, and that it doesn’t end here. Their response? Oh well, boosters are normal. They have booster shots for the flu each year. Effectiveness doesn’t last forever. For those who are blind, boosters will not give sight.
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Jared Magneson said:
And all of that defies the very DEFINITION of a “vaccine”, out the gate. It’s pathetic. It’s fucking abhorrent, that more people can’t see through it but at the same time that’s how it’s always been – and we don’t need MORE people, we just need the RIGHT people. Some of whom are here amongst us, clearly.
And it’s also fucked up that we can’t really talk about it, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles! Sun Tzu might have more to say on that topic.
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Greg said:
Some of my co workers thought if they got the vaccine they wouldn’t have to wear a mask any longer. They were happy for about a month until the indoor mask mandates returned.
I’m sure Fauci and even a Gates trial was already in the playbook. Probably Harvey Weinstein type of scenario. They will be sheep dipped or sentenced 33 years to a Federal pen, but actually serve the time in a gated beach front community.
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MathisderMaler said:
They won’t serve anytime anywhere.
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Chris Ryska said:
@ Sven, I have a better analogy: Substitute Romanian orphanage for the mud huts. I mean, think of all the money that was possibly generated for those in control of the situation over there after it was shown on 60 minutes. You’d hope that it would be spent on the orphans to help alleviate the misery.
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Michael Deloatch said:
Did somebody mention the clot shot? Coronald felt it deserved its own song.
https://archive.org/details/clot-shot-mr
Coronald doesn’t use his real name BTW.
This is a special happy 20th anniversary present.
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archer-d said:
“the lies that just aren’t true”….. i like that.
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Kevin MURPHY said:
The best! Lol.
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davidbehlman said:
Here’s a video with Fuellmich, they talk to a doctor in the US about the use of Remdesivir as a treatment. He references a study that at one time was linked on the NIH website but I can’t find it and much of my searching is find paywalls. Did anyone look into these sorts of claims? Or did anyone bookmark this ebola study where they stopped administering Remdesivir since it was killing people?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jTiU5Bv5Idge/
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davidbehlman said:
Go to about minute 9 to find when he starts talking about this study.
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Logan said:
@davidbehlman
How can a “treatment” be proposed for a virus that has never been proven to exist, and for which only a completely bogus, nonspecific, false-positive “diagnostic test” is in place?
In the video, in true controlled opposition fashion the fiction is being propagated that the Sarse COn U2 virus exists, rather than being a remarketed seasonal flu syndrome. Otherwise they would not be discussing a “cure” for it.
Fuellmypocket has been a complete joke for almost a year now. He has gone full talkshow and podcast and is running for political office in the Sep 29 federal fake elections–Chancellor of Germany no less–for a splinter party called Die Basis.
Of course, he is doing fu6k all legally apart from talk–where would he get the time with all this show business? But he has built up a sort of religous congregation around his weekly “Corona committee” and none of the flock seem to care.
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3rd doorman said:
He uses a real sounding name! But. . .
His post is internally inconsistent. He is asking us to watch a video, obtain a link, hand typing it, to a study he has already seen, and is doing/ has done regular searches for. So he didn’t bookmark it. Or has cleared his internet history? why not give us the name of the study or a link he has repeatedly used? Why ask us to search through a video?
He asks us if we looked into claims, but what claims? We have to watch the video.
He meets paywalls, we are be asked to penetrate paywalls for him?
The last part about ebola treated with Remdesivir. I doubt there are many studies on it, so a search on “ebola + Remedesivir” should pull up everything if he uses the three main free search engines for medical studies.
Even if I bookmarked it, it is probably behind a paywall. If I do a regular internet search, I’ll get all the noise about the study, and will have to get the study out of all that noise.
His name, I don’t recognize it. I’m wondering if he will come back and respond.
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davidbehlman said:
Wow, I didn’t know I had to qualify everything I say every time. I’ve been here off and on for a while. My post is “internally inconsistent” because I know this whole thing is a scam, but I am looking for these small details with which to help argue the point to others.
The study mentioned by the doctor in that video seemed like something that may have come up here and it would be a great point to bring up if I could verify it. It’s the sort of ammunition that could force someone to concede that the US deaths are inflated and answers the question why our death rate is supposed so much worse than many “3rd world” countries.
I only know of this study from this video, but since it’s posted by posers and fakers they fail to link their viewers to the real information.
When I searched I also found a lot of noise that seemed to lead in the direction that what this doctor is saying is likely true, but not the exact thing he mentioned. And there’s a lot of wanting to make Remdesivir seem ok.
3rd doorman – your name, I only recognize it from very recent posts! Anyway nice to know not everyone reads every comment here. It’s kind of overwhelming whenever I’m gone a short while and the way it’s organized doesn’t help, but that’s because we’re using comments section as a forum.
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suntzufighting said:
Die Basis is German for The Base.
Almost like Al Quada is Arabic for The Base.
Spook humor. As shitty as everything they do.
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Jared Magneson said:
I believe “Al Quaida” translates to “The Foundation”, which isn’t far from your translation. But much like “Baghdad” is the “City of Peace”, I don’t put much stock into their nameology. 🙂
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3rd doorman said:
I chose the name 3rd doorman in a very short period of time. I love Miles’ rhetorical and conceptual work he sometimes labels with that term. Big fan of 3rd door style interpretations. Its a difficult concept for me to define precisely, Miles would have to be the authority because I think it is his original work in many ways.
I did not foresee it would be a problem to choose a pseudonym. I noticed mr. deMaler and for the owner I have still only a first name. Plenty of pseudonyms, no rules about it.
I did not foresee that my pseudo would come off as me being some kind of expert about the 3rd door. I never claimed to be an expert. I don’t see the name as asserting expertise necessarily. I’m a fan.
I did not foresee that it would come off as spooky. A person who claims a third door, but leads em off into weeds/forest/falsehood with doors 1 or 2. A liar, an agent, OR a dupe. All three are not clearly delineated from the term spook, which is usually considered an agent.
Caution seems prudent but actually posting guidelines can be considered permissive by some standards. I lurked here, about 2 years, I hoped to just produce valid 3rd door style approaches, I think I only care in the end what Miles thinks, but Josh’s opinions are always pretty good. I wonder who I can compare them to really, if its a tradition of MM, I find only some of the paper writers could be valuable, and most of them don’t post much here at all.
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suntzufighting said:
I wonder if you emailed your local holocaust museum(since everybody in the world is within an hour of one such place) and just inquire as to their policy for vaxxination status of visitors? Politely, concerned for everyone’s safety, you know, being a good Germa… I mean citizen?
When mandates hit here I am going to inquire about this from the apartheid museum. Since these people have no sense of irony the answers should be hilarious.
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EnyaPF said:
:::waves hello:::
Been reading for about a year…first comment…
Last year I learned this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOK_Tower
Happy Truther Day!
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Chris Ryska said:
EnyaPF, Hey-ya, Enya, Welcome to CTTF.
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tony martin said:
To me the new World Trade Center looks like a big finger telling humanity to go fuck itself.
Can anyone see the similarity?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGHoRntumeGIUw60dKV34xS2D0I58TPyBqiw&usqp=CAU
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fc8.alamy.com%2Fcomp%2FC5T82P%2Fan-adult-human-male-hand-giving-the-middle-finger-as-an-insult-C5T82P.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.alamy.com%2Fstock-photo%2Fgiving-the-finger.html&tbnid=rl9zhZBlyXGFzM&vet=12ahUKEwj5me-UqffyAhXprnIEHdigCj4QMygBegUIARCXAg..i&docid=bgtuMntqikbwFM&w=865&h=1390&q=giving%20the%20finger&ved=2ahUKEwj5me-UqffyAhXprnIEHdigCj4QMygBegUIARCXAg
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Kevin said:
A Phoenician Phallic symbol, like the Washington Monument.
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suntzufighting said:
In my school & college days every self-styled intellectual pretentious asshole was a Pink Floyd fan.
Here is Roger Waters, full of fury and anger, calling for fuck knows what. He never mentions the covid circus, not even ONCE.
Is this controlled opposition in action? Giving Zuckerberg a public middle finger, calling WaPo and NY Times propaganda, sitting in front of an Assange poster? How risqué.
He might as well have said(quoting Biden) :”We have to overthrow, you know, the thing”
Notice how these crypto toffs always sport a broad accent, as far removed from their “public” school accent as possible(like Morris Micklewhite)
I hope we can get field trips to hell in the hereafter, just to see & understand these miscreants up close.
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FiddleSticks said:
Kind of reminds me of the documentary “Thrive.” A lot of real truthful info, but presented by people who are from the families. Proctor & GAMBLE. (Hoping or pretending that you don’t know this). Since these people have UNLIMITED money, they could actually do something about it themselves, but they don’t. Err, I guess they both made a documentary…..woo hoo…..but since they could make a real difference, but they don’t then they are just as fucking FAKE as all of the rest of them…….next….
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Chris Ryska said:
@ suntzufighting, You may get to have that field trip. There’s a verse in Isaiah that talks about this very thing, about a going forth to see those that are in a perpetual punishment where “their worm dieth not neither shall their fire be quenched”
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MathisderMaler said:
You don’t need a field trip to hell, just turn on the TV or watch a movie. Those people are the damned. They are living it and you are witnessing it.
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A27 or 28 said:
I once spoke with a high level peerage type. Very posh accent- although not received pronunciation – on hearing her speak with other well-spoken dudes but, when talking with me one on one her accent changed. She altered her speech slightly, to mimic my own. It was very subtle and while she still sounded posh, the toff plumb was dropped while she spoke with me. Back then she was a Lady. Now a Dame. They are all professional actors, from the families.
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Ali said:
@Jared Magneson
“But you see, the “why would he?” part is a huge problem in all fields. As the very foundation of anything material, physics ALWAYS applies. ”
Recently i’m only guessing the significance of MM’s Work in regard to Physics but what i already know since i’ve read few papers of his, is that it is quite disruptive.
Also i think you focus a little too much on physics even if i aknowledge it is essential.
What i understand about Miles mindset is that Physic belong to light as is biology and that to better understand life is to understand its very foundation which is light(What about the enzyme of the cell that channel .
I think you may agree with me on this part.
“The reason I’m so obnoxious about the physics is that AS the foundation for all reality, it need not be warped, twisted, or misleading. It doesn’t have to be a lie.”
I completely do agree with you.
Thanks you also for bringing your view on this !
“I’m not saying it’s perfect but armed with Miles’ Charge Theory, even a student such as myself is in a far better position to analyze these things than almost anyone else around, including electrical engineers and (cough) paid physicists as well.”
So then i ask, don’t you find it odd that electrons microscopists had conducted experiments to assess the existence of viruses without even knowing such trivial things as photons, heat, charge field ?
Don’t you think rather that they weren’t interested in this in the first place ?
That it was just a pretence, a façade for bigger operations ?
I could also say : why do you expect from myself to know such elementary things, why not those people that had conducted these experiments ?
I’m not attacking you, it is just to show you that your argument can be reversed.
Also since they didn’t know these fundamentals, why would anyone conclude that they had achieved in the 30s what they had claimed to achieve(to assess the existence of viruses) ?
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Jared Magneson said:
@Ali: You make some very good points, and I agree with just about all of that actually.
One thing I should clarify: when I say things like “they SHOULD know the physics” or whatever, it’s not because you have to study physics to do anything else in life or in science, because that’s not true. The Charge Field has only been around for over a decade now – Miles’ stuff is relatively very new and of course denied by the mainstream outright. So most people will NOT have found it yet. That’s fine, I mean that can be an honest answer for most scientists, researchers, and technicians.
In our forensics here, I bring it up so we can spot errors and flaws more than anything else. Logical flaws. Miles has an uncanny ability and knack for spotting them, and I do not but still try. And maybe have gotten better at seeing them over the years through vigilance and study. But most of all, it helps us spot when we’re being hoodwinked. And with scientific crap, it’s almost constant and almost entirely propaganda or a revenue-generating scheme (NASA, for example, or anything the NSF touches with grants, etc.) or both.
And you’re right, Ali. The microbiology field has been used primarily as a tool TO push agendas of all manner, mostly pharmaceutical ones, since its inception. Perhaps some good has been achieved from that field, but we don’t really see a lot of it. Medical progress aside, biology hasn’t really achieved nearly as much as it could/should, because they’ve always been operating on false premises given to them by their evil big brother: mainstream physics.
For a specific example, if most biologists still believe in “quarks” sans any tangible evidence and plenty against, it’s that much easier for them to believe what they are studying is what they’re told it is, you know? They may often believe in the imminent dominance of “Modern Science” so deeply that it skews their work… Can’t see the forest for the trees.
But I do that too, in other areas. 🙂
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Ali said:
Edit : Some elements lack in my comment.
When i say “(What about the enzyme of the cell that channel .”
Replace it by :
What about the enzymes present within a cell ?
Since matter do channels photons, enzymes must do so, as i understand and it(the enzyme) should be affected by a beam of electron(photons in reality) ?
I find this confirmation on a book called : The Nature of Enzyme Action by William Maddock Bayliss published first in 1911
The link here :
P3, i quote : https://archive.org/details/natureenzymeact02baylgoog/page/n20/mode/2up
“Now there are reasons for the belief that an extremely slow combination is taking place at ordinary temperatures without catalysis. One thing to be con-sidered in reference to this belief is the enormous acceleration of chemical reactions by rise of temperature, the majority being about doubled by a rise of 10° C. In this way a reaction having a velocity of 1 at 0°” would reach one of 2 at 10°, 4 at 20°, and i x 2^10 = 1024 at 100°.”
So a rise in temperature do affect the rate in which an enzyme catalyze a reaction.
At 100°C it is stated that the catalyze speed is multiplied by 1024.
Another passage of the same book that must be brought up, P4 :
“To take another case of a reaction which progresses at a slow rate when left to itself : when methyl acetate is mixed with water at ordinary temperatures it is very slowly hydrolysed to alcohol and acetic acid until a certain proportion of it is decomposed, so that a state of equilibrium is finally arrived at. This process takes many days for its completion, but the time may be shortened to a few hours by the addition of a small amount of hydrochloric acid.”
He state here that the slow chemical reactions rate which involves methyl acetate and water takes in normal condition several days to achieve a state of EQUILIBRIUM.
So it must be take into account while observing a cell that the speed of chemical reactions, within, its metabolism so to speak has a function, a significance and that an electron beam could affect that.
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tony martin said:
I’m just going on the record that viruses exist.
Viruses reproduce in some way.
We can become infected with a small number of virus particles by inhaling particles expelled when another person coughs, for instanced then become sick several days later as the viruses replicate within our bodies.
Viruses evolve over time. That’s why they make a flu vaccine every year. Primarily because the influenza virus changes or evolves from one year to the next.
I personally never took a flu shot in my life and never will.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGHoRntumeGIUw60dKV34xS2D0I58TPyBqiw&usqp=CAU
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Ali said:
“We can become infected with a small number of virus particles by inhaling particles expelled when another person coughs, for instanced then become sick several days later as the viruses replicate within our bodies.”
May i ask a simple question, let’s assume that several persons by inadvertence inhale the same ‘number’ of viral particles, why would a part of them become ‘sick’ and not the others ?
Also, why won’t they become sick immediately after inhaling those viral particles since viruses are the cause of disease ?
Do you agree to say that one virus specimen should suffice to cause a person to get sick ?
So you’re saying that a virus specimen isn’t the cause of a disease since its actions isn’t immediate or doesn’t cause an effect at the same duration depending on the individuals or require an handful of his kind..
Well i do agree on that part.
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Josh said:
@Tony @Ali @oregonmatt @3rd Doorman @Jared @etc etc Please move your viral discussion over to the new thread created for that purpose: https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2021/09/11/this-post-is-going-viral/
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rsack said:
Haha. “Going viral”. Love it!
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Chris Ryska said:
@ tony martin, How can a virus evolve when nothing really evolves?? I mean, am I going to pass on the callouses on my finger tips {from playing the guitar} to my offspring??
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alexrimmer0973 said:
I would suggest cross breeding and back breeding play a major part in what is seen as evolution. I have a cousin whose family heavily involved in breeding Rams. I find it interesting although I see how most don’t. Obviously ‘viruses’ are a different story since they according to the official narrative don’t breed. Cells and their ability to reproduce in different forms (stem cells) may hold some answers to the general questions around evolution.
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Josh said:
Hey everybody,
I’ve tried to go through comments and figure out what the big brouhaha is all about and I’m a bit at a loss to figure out who what why when and where. What is clear to me is that pretty much everybody has to take a deep breath and calm down.
I think that many of you are exasperated because you are worried that people are spreading disinfo and you are worried about that. And that’s when accusations of spook-hood start getting flown around.
I’m not saying that there are no spooks posting here or that it shouldn’t be a concern. I used to get freaked out and worried about this blog becoming a place where people could spread disinfo.
But I will share with you something that Miles told me awhile back that helped me put it into proper perspective. He said something to the effect that his readers are intelligent and they can sort through or spot disinfo. At least for the most part.
That really helped me to relax a bit. I still have my guard up, but I also don’t get too worked up and worried about it. So please, everyone, let’s just take in down a notch.
I also just added a new post here:
Let’s move all our discussions about viruses and germ theory over there. And by that I mean discussions about whether viruses exist, do they cause disease, does SARS-CoV-2 exist, etc. etc. To be clear, you can still post about the insanity related to the alleged pandemic here or in other threads, but if you want to debate whether that or any other virus is real or not, the new post is your place. I will start deleting new comments on those issues here and in other threads, so if you’re in doubt, just post over there.
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Ali said:
@Josh
Sorry it seems my posts have caused me to elaborate a little too much on this subject.
Yes, i know it is easy to hide his true intents behind a screen but i had no intentation of monopolizing or deflecting the topic of this thread.
Since some fellows have come me to dispel misconceptions in my comments, i was much obliged to answer them back with the best of my ability.
It results that the argument i aroused myself grew much longer than expected.
From now on, i will stop posting and replying on this subject.
Eventually, i shall bring some topics of interest in the appropriate thread.
Of course, to everyone i excuse myself for the excitation caused.
By the way this exposure was more than enough for me.
So thanks Josh for allowing it despite its not-so-relevant pertinence.
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Josh said:
Ali, you can talk about this topic all you want — on the new thread.
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Relax and live well said:
@Josh
I’m not accusing anyone for being a spook/infiltrator…
It doesn’t mean that anyone personally attacking others by saying they cannot be taken seriously just because they are not using their real names should be tolerated here…
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Vexman said:
CTTF is unique in many ways and our beloved, self-imposed masters know that. Their names are called out so often here, it echoes throughout their entire world-wide web as a giant earthquake, EOL kind of event. Also, remember we were/are calling out loud for better intelligence spooks/ langley bugs to be sent here, on each occasion, as some of the obvious spooks were kicked out of here. I see it as a natural, expected development. This place is more dangerous to the existing hegemony than any other place/forum, since we’re here amplifying Miles’ disclosures and demonstrating how easily anybody can learn the skills of critical thinking. If this was theoretically the case for every other place, analogue or digital, it would become a definite checkmate position for millenia long, rigged game. Is it somewhat expected for CTTF to be closely monitored and possibly infiltrated? Definitely so, in my opinion.
If it makes it any easier for you, I too am confused about who when what and why. Let’s take the virus discussion to another corner of this blog and keep this thread more focused to current events. By keeping the garden in predefined compartments, it will become easier to notice the weeds popping out – all the gaslighting and hullabaloo on any given subject. Also, by separating the threads, information left there will be easier to digest. I support your decision 100%. It’s a step towards progress in many ways.
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Josh said:
Thanks, Vex!
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Relax and live well said:
Just now, 2 old women from ‘ministry of health’ came to my place, asking questions about my father, acting as if they were ‘genuinely’ concern with his health and offering CONvid jab pamphlets despite my obvious rejection…
There are really too much assholes in this world with no better thing to do…
It is really beyond ridiculous seeing so many morons not asking questions even when governmental bodies such as ministry of health came door to door, just like snake oil salesmen, selling poisons made by corporations protected by shitty laws and regulations protecting them from lawsuits…
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archer-d said:
You should feel honored and then tell them to fk off, ha
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Relax and live well said:
I said I don’t need the brochures and I slammed the door in front of their faces, hahaha
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