Miles just published part 1 of a 4-part piece on “Ancient Spooks” up at his site. I am starting a new post devoted to discussion of this series of papers, as it seems they will be important and spark lots of discussion. I’d rather have the discussion here rather than on the main ‘Defending Miles Mathis’ thread. I might do this as new important papers or topics come up.
Here is the link to part 1.
Here is the link to part 2.
Here is the link to part 3.
Here is the link to part 4.
Here is the link to part 5.
And here is a link to Miles’ work on the issue, Where Did All the Phoenicians Go?
Update 4/23/20: Here is a link to Gerry’s new website devoted mainly to the puns and double entendres of Ancient Spooks.
Again, thanks Gerry, Miles and Josh! Your contributions to my thinking is very valuable. Also thanks to most of the contributors here, your comments are also very useful!
I would like to give you my big picture after Gerry’s part 4. To me history makes much more sense now!
So the rich families were merchants and decided to cover the whole world let’s say 5000 years ago. They went everywhere (!) on the planet. That explains why certain people traveled only north, other only east, etc.
3000 years ago they started moving inland. See what the romans did. Look at unesco world heritage sites, go to some very remote places in France, for example. The romans built aqueducts there. Very long ones, with impressive technology (they admit, as of today, “we still don’t know how they managed to get that kind of precision”). And of course they built bridges in small towns. They knew how to build with and without cement. 3000 years ago. They did not make war. They were building a world infrastructure. Think Amazon today. And Google.
Gerry, you did not mention places in the west. The canary islands were surely discovered much earlier (the name rimes with canaan, or Kahn) as a base to travel to middle america (cuba and the like). The mayor city is Las Palmas. Do you need more, for a phoenician signature?
I also think they got early to Yucatan. There you find the Mayas, with the same knowledge to build buildings (with or without cement). The Mayas had a very typical drawing style, which you do not find in Europe, but in Japan. Think manga and typical japanise drawings. The japanise imperial family has been in power for 2600 years now, so it could fit the timeline. Maybe they came from the Pacific side.
The migration of the Mayas is also comparable to what is happening today: for economical reasons they need cheap labor in Germany, so they fake a war first in Afghanistan, then in Syria. And voila, one million people is working somewhere else!
Now even the Easter Islands make sense. In their world quest they used the island to cross the ocean. Until they did not need the base any more.
A little south from Yucatan you will find Carthagena, in Columbia (the dove, again!) Officialy the city was built after 1492 (in 1533), but now I assume the Phoenicians did it.
I could extend much more, but this is not a paper, just a comment.
To finish, I do now understand why we, the normal people, are outraged by the exorbitant fakings (fake atomic bombs, fake moon flights, fake wars, fake september eleven…). To them, this is really business as usual!
And I agree with Miles, if there is a hole in the history (like in the middle age) it is because they are hiding something on purpose!
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>I could extend much more
I wish you would. I enjoy your comments very much.
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Isn’t there a theory that the Dark Ages didn’t happen? The years 614 till 911 (!) = the phantom (spooky?) time hypothesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis
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From that Wiki:
“Heribert Illig
“Illig was born in 1947 in Vohenstrauß, Bavaria. He was active in an association dedicated to Immanuel Velikovsky, catastrophism and historical revisionism, Gesellschaft zur Rekonstruktion der Menschheits- und Naturgeschichte.”
Of course, that last line translates to:
Society for the Reconstruction of Human and Natural History
Replace “Reconstruction” with “Fabrication” and you have your answer. The 1947 part is also a huge flag, obviously, as is any reference to Velikovsky.
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Another flag, at least for me, is the guy saying Charlemagne didn’t exist. I’m allegedly related to him, thus the “Magne” in my name. My uncle (father’s oldest brother) works at the Mormon genealogy center in Salt Lake City, Utah, on Temple St. and while I don’t necessarily trust the Mormons, I don’t see him claiming something like that to me without doing his homework.
https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Roger-Magneson/1763238501
“Roger Magneson
Project Manager–Family Reconstitution at Family History Library
Location:
35 North West Temple, Salt Lake City, Utah, United States”
He may or may not be spooky himself as he’s ex-Navy, and my other uncle on my mother’s side runs the Walter Kronkite School of Journalism in Arizona, so I may have spooks on both sides of my family. But if his research is correct, then it’s correct.
The Mormons do more genealogical research than any other sect that I’m aware of, though it may be tainted. He’s worked there for most of my life and might be a good resource. Their library was the largest in the world prior to the modern online ones, which most likely reference theirs I would imagine. If they have a generation trail through the Middle Ages, it might be worth me making a phone call and seeing what I can dig up. He’s always been a friendly old chap to me anyway and loves to talk about his work.
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“…the guy saying Charlemagne didn’t exist. I’m allegedly related to him, thus the “Magne” in my name.”
Maybe they were referencing someone called Charlie Magneson and it got corrupted?
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There are numerous Magnus, not only Carl. Alexander would be an existing one, a better one. 🙂
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Yes but as I stated, my uncle has traced OUR heritage back to Charlemagne. Not other Magnuses, but that particular guy.
We are of Norwegian descent chiefly, but our people spread far and wide, and as we now know of course Norwegian Vikings were originally settled or infiltrated by Phoenecians as well.
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Made me think of these guys:
The Varangian Guard (Greek: Τάγμα τῶν Βαράγγων, Tágma tōn Varángōn) was an elite unit of the Byzantine Army, from the 10th to the 14th centuries, whose members served as ***personal bodyguards to the Byzantine Emperors.*** They are known for being primarily composed of Germanic peoples, specifically Norsemen (the Guard was formed approximately 200 years into the Viking Age) and Anglo-Saxons (after the Norman Conquest of England created an Anglo-Saxon diaspora, part of which found employment in Constantinople).[1]
The Rus’ (Norsemen descended from Sweden living in what is now Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus) provided the earliest members of the Varangian Guard. They were in Byzantine service from as early as 874. The Guard was first formally constituted under Emperor Basil II in 988, following the Christianization of Kievan Rus’ by Vladimir I of Kiev.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard
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Thanks, that’s another one for the “foreign elite troops” trope. In part 2, I linked to Immortals, Janissaries, Hessians. Plus the examples from Mesopotamia. It’s probably safer for governors from a globalized background, when preparing to scam the natives of the governed region.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1402278/US-bodyguard-for-Afghan-president.html
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It’s not just the grunts, either. They frequently import foreigners to act as leaders for their larger projects: Napoleon the Corsican, Hitler the Austrian, Arafat the Egyptian. Who else am I forgetting? Probably lots. Reza Pahalavi, second-to-last Shah of Iran was likely not even Persian. Ataturk was born in Thesaloniki–same town as Alexander the Great–which is Greek though technically at the time of his birth it was part of the Ottoman Empire. But he fits the pattern, for sure.
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I read about the theory even before realizing the extent of fakery.
The book was “Die erfundene Geschichte” by Uwe Topper. Would I trust the author? Still don’t know. The arguments were good, so part of it is surely correct, but misdirection is always possible. On the positive side, wiki doesn’t mention the author, you find it only when you know what to look for. Like Miles, in a way.
Basically the central question is if Karl der Grosse was an existing person and if he was incoronated in Aachen on december 25. Of the year 800. What I did not notice then is the obvious numerology. Or if they inserted a few names to invent 300 years of history. The name Karl could be a homage to some family.
Anyway, I traveled to Aachen to see the Cathedral. It took me 3 seconds to realize it must be a joke. It is at best a small church, actually a mosque that has been transformed in a church by adding, left and right, two altars. The throne is on the first floor (?), out of a rock (maybe an hidden message here?), no way Karl became imperator in such a place! End of story!
If anyone is still unsure, please go there and look at it! For reference then go to Rome and see the difference between a church and a cathedral.
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Nobody seems to agree on even rough dates. Some time during the 5th century to around 1,000 AD….ish! But 911 looks like a spook date for sure…
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Thank you for your contribution, Andrea. I disagree somewhat, but maybe that can fuel the discussion? 😉
I agree that trade links to India, China, perhaps America, were there earlier than admitted. But IMHO they were weak & remote, established gradually, not all at the same time. Nor were these places “conquered” by Phoenicians. The grand merchants weren’t explorers or risk-takers, only Neolithic settlers were, driven by natural disasters. That’s why explorers of all times mostly “discovered” already inhabited islands & coasts.
I was sent many spook-peddled links for “Phoenician America”. If the Early Contact Theories make “more sense”, we’d have to ask which part it is that makes more sense? If you want to know how Cortez “conquered” the Aztec empire with just a few 100 soldiers, this one Wiki page explains it all:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Montezuma&oldid=843672058
After Moctezuma II is “killed” by Cortez, the aristocratic families start to merge immediately: Moctezuma’s daughter “Isabel” has a child with Cortez, and marries 3 Aztec & 3 Spanish aristocrats. Likely several princesses are conflated here, as the spooks didn’t want to admit the extend of the merger. Then Moctezuma’s grandson Diego Luis is made count by Philip IV. A new “Duke of Moctezuma” title is established. And today we have actors, sports idols & politicians named Moctezuma. We all recognize that pattern, don’t we.
So yes, maybe there was some early knowledge of the Americas. Columbus’ “discovery” was likely just a “seizure”. But I think there’s a reason why early American colonies of those purple-clad “Vikings” were abandoned. Ship & navigation tech wasn’t ready then to make it a viable venture. Once the tech was there, spooks like Columbus & Cortez were sent again, to take the distant but known regions into the fold, risk-free.
Carthagena & Columbia might simply be hints that the American “conquest” unfolded like the European one, and they used the same millennia-old trick: Aristocrats all over the world will independently develop into arrogant & deceptive scum, who loathe their subjects, but recognize each other as “birds of the same feather”. You don’t need “Phoenician sleeper cells” for such a “conquest”, only a little grafting onto the Tree of Families, and all armies will fall over backwards. The rest is unadmitted history. 😐
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Gerry, you give a lot of thoughtful comments. Thank you for that!
If I err, it is an honest mistake, I don’t want to misdirect anyone.
I will follow on your hint about Montezuma. I realize there are more operas about it than on Nabucco. So the families are obviously very thankful to Montezuma, one of their Own?
Staying with my area of expertise, if some people are farmers, like we are told the Mayas were, and having local roots, like we are also told, they wouldn’t care much about stars, but only about sun and moon. That’s all a farmer cares about.
But if you are a sailor, stars is all you want to know. It does not make any logical sense for the Mayas to be borne there, live there, stay there, and observe the stars.
For the Phoenicians it was imperative.
This is just an example, there are many other folks with this attitude about astronomy…
Again as an example, while I am at it, the Maya pyramids remind me of a theater stage. We learn that their leaders were from noble families (why? Is it what farmers do?) that they were fighting each other and sometimes killing the other king, „cutting“ their head. Suddenly I have a picture in front of my eyes: a Las Vegas show where the lady is cut in two! The audience gasps! Blood everywhere!
Now you people, go home and think about the risk of being a noble…!
If my thinking is correct it would explain why to this day, this kind of shows are performed in Las Vegas, by the best magicians!
Roman theatre and gladiators was likely the same: professionals faking fighting and deaths in arenas. The wild animals? Well, tigers, elephants, bears are performing to this day. Once a year the best are celebrated in Montecarlo, by the Grimaldi family.
So you see: business as usual!
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You know, my initial response was, “But what about all the skulls and human remains in the Mayan ruins?” So I quickly looked it up, to find supporting photos and articles. I found no photos, and few articles. The history tells us these remains were everywhere but I couldn’t find any support for that thought.
What I DID find was an article on a mass grave claimed to be Mayan, but it was located just south of Mexico City. That’s not Mayan territory as far as I know! That’s Aztec country. They dated the remains to 2,400 years old, which predates the Aztecs and the Mayans by over a thousand years. The oldest Mayan temples are said to have been built around 700 AD, and those remains would have been around 400 BC. So they couldn’t really be Aztec or Mayan.
We do have evidence of mass graves of the Aztecs, but those could all easily just be from the 1400-1500 era: https://globalnews.ca/news/3570512/tower-of-human-skulls-in-mexico-casts-new-light-on-aztecs/
Then a cave in the Yucatan where many remains were found, which seems to be a spot to deposit plague victims: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140116-maya-mexico-yucatan-cenote-bones-haunted-taboo-archaeology-science/
So again, we have a lack of evidence supporting the mainstream story.
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That said, if we take Miles’ work on the charge field and solar cycles to heart, we have EVERY reason for the Mayans as farmers to study the stars. Solar cycles affect crops tremendously. We can see that in our own gardens now.
You did make a good point about seafaring people needing the stars more, but let’s say the Mayans studied farming for generations, from 700 AD on. It’s not a huge stretch for them to notice and begin mapping out the solar cycles, based on stars. It’s pretty cool and stuff, but not impossible at all.
What’s really odd is that we have a similar “Taker” cultures forming in parts of the Americas as we had in the Fertile Crescent. Mother Culture shouldn’t have spread that way, one would think. It only spread out from the Tigris and Euphrates (allegedly) because of land itself at first.
But THAT said, the Mayan’s didn’t spread out anything like our common ancient ancestors in Mesopotamia. They didn’t conquer the Americas, not like the Incas and Aztecs did anyway. They didn’t go very far in comparison, though I could be wrong. But they also weren’t a real “empire”, not the way the Phoenicians or Romans or Egyptians were. More a conglomerate of city-states and tribes. So they aren’t the same kind of “Takers”.
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I really dig your work Gerry. Good stuff and has torn so many holes in the curtain of history I’m just finding endless material just about everywhere. Have you looked at the history of the Byzantine Empire and it’s dynasties? It’s a complete joke and it’s no wonder Byzantine history is usually skipped over by the mainstream.
Just a quick hit since I’m on my lunch break but the same thing happened with Pizarro and the conquest of the Incan Empire. It took some sleuthing on the white-washed pages of Wikipedia but when the Spaniards arrived 1) The Incan Empire was already in the middle of a civil war (convenient) 2) We are told European diseases wiped out up to 95% of the population, so Incan society should have been in total Mad Max mode at that point, 3) The Spaniards didn’t just have a measly 168 soldiers but untold amount of native auxiliary tribes that all turned on the Incan Empire when the Spanish came, which leads to 4) Inter-marriage alliances between these tribes and the Spanish and eventually what’s left of the Incan royal family.
There’s also this silly story about how Pizarro released his puppet emperor Manco into the wild accompanied by only two Spanish soldiers in order for him to “recover a golden statue of his father Huayana Capac”. Of course he escapes but what do you know he comes back with “an army of 200,000” and besieges of city of Cusco which happens to be the base of his rival Diego de Almagro. The whole story is a bit more complicated of course and could definitely spin out into a paper, but my lunch break is over now.
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Also I found this interesting link that was dumped on this page for Agathocles of Syracuse.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110716100716/http://www.tyndalehouse.com/Egypt/ptolemies/affilates/aff_ptolemies.htm
Genealogy of the Ptolemies and Affiliated lines. The Ptolemies were descents of Philip II, Alexander the Great and that whole show. Looks incomplete, could be some misdirection there, but definitely worth checking out. Also note the author of the page Bennett.
” Descendants of Cleopatra Thea, daughter of Ptolemy VI and queen of Syria, can be traced well into the second century AD through the marriage of her granddaughter Laodice to Mithridates I king of Commagene. From there she was probably an ancestress to the kings of Emesa and much of the aristocracy of the late classical Near East. It is also likely that, through the marriage of a Commagenian princess to a king of Media Atropatene, that she became an ancestress of later Arsacid kings of Parthia and Armenia. From these dynasties descent lines have been argued that reach into medieval Europe and the present day.” You don’t say..
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Found some intermarrying clues for the Maya as well, not as pronounced.
In a first encounter, shipwrecked Spanish nobs are captured and fattened to be eaten (right), but one somehow ends up intermarried with rich Maya lords. Hm. A “friar” is offered marriage as well, but stays true to his vows of fidelity, of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spanish_conquest_of_Yucat%C3%A1n&oldid=852116309#First_encounters:_1502_and_1511
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ger%C3%B3nimo_de_Aguilar&oldid=840562281
Cortez visits the Itza, and the Maya king is so impressed by a Catholic sermon that he promptly renounces his gods and starts worshiping a lame horse left by Cortez.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kan_Ek%27&oldid=827644412#Early_16th_century
For the last stage of the “conquest”, a name that pops up repeatedly is “AjChan”, a high-ranking diplomat and nephew of the Itza king. He has family ties to Itza, Yalain and Kowoj, and to the “semi-Christianised Maya at Tipuj”. AjChan is baptized with the Spanish governor of Yucatán as his godfather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spanish_conquest_of_Pet%C3%A9n&oldid=815531246#Spanish%E2%80%93Itza_diplomatic_contacts,_1695
He is allegedly aboard the galley that wins the Assault on Nojpetén, capital of Petén. That’s another surprisingly easy victory, with precisely 108 soldiers, in 1697.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spanish_conquest_of_Pet%C3%A9n&oldid=815531246#Assault_on_Nojpet%C3%A9n
Another Wiki article says Aj Chan is actually the king of Petén when the Spanish invade it in 1697. Why isn’t that in the first article?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yalain&oldid=836585358#Proposed_territory
The Maya lords are then all captured and disappear in captivity. But I bet some did just “disappear”.
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The timelines seem disjointed, so wouldn’t it have been the Toltecs that the Spaniards encountered and not the Mayans themselves?
I’m not questioning your accuracy at all, but rather my memory of their history. That could just be the mainstream “spun” history I’m thinking of.
“The Post-Classic Period: 950-1524 CE – At this time the great cities of the Maya were abandoned. Thus far, no explanation for the mass exodus from the cities to outlying rural areas has been determined but climate change and over population have been strongly suggested among other possibilities. The Toltecs, a new tribe in the region, took over the vacant urban centers and re-populated them. At this time, Tula and Chichen-Itza became dominant cities in the region. The widely popular conception that the Maya were driven from their cities by the Spanish Conquest is erroneous as the cities were already vacant by the time of the Spanish invasion (in fact, the Spanish conquerors had no idea the natives they found in the region were responsible for the enormous complexes of the cities). The Quiche Maya were defeated at the Battle of Utatlan in 1524 CE and this date traditionally marks the end of the Maya Civilization.”
https://www.ancient.eu/Maya_Civilization/
So if we merge the timelines, Pedro de Valdivia encountered local Toltec peoples who may or may not have been the descendants of the Mayans? Wouldn’t Aj Kan Ek in 1525 also be a Toltec noble? This appears to be a title perhaps, because we see the same name in your other link in 1695.
This doesn’t affect your premise, I’m just confused a bit. Probably not your fault. 🙂
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Another interesting tidbit maybe, it looks like they’ve found structures below some of the main Mayan pyramids dating back to perhaps as far as 1000 BC. It comes a lot closer to the timeline of the Phoenicians, though I couldn’t find any real link here and the source is highly questionable:
“Inomata assumed that the now iconic classic architecture probably stood on earlier sites used for similar purposes. His assumption turned out to be correct. He found smaller platforms built of earth beneath the pyramids of stone, signaling a formal ritual complex at Ceibal dating to around 1000 B.C.
“The presence of ritual architecture early in the development of the Maya is an indication of a settled lifestyle with complex agriculture, religion, and a stratified society—all of which add up to a unified culture and the beginnings of a larger civilization.”
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130425-maya-origins-olmec-pyramid-ceibal-inomata-archaeology-science/
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In those Wiki articles “Maya” is used in a wider sense. Shouldn’t have copied that, sorry. Please replace it with “Guatemalan natives”.
The early history with those abandoned cities is still fascinating and may be worth exploring. I don’t deny that. Maybe we’ll even find those ancient trade connections.
What I meant to say was that there’s likely a reason the discovery and the pyramids are hung as spook bait everywhere. They want to keep our eyes off the low-hanging fruit: The “conquest” of America may be a textbook case of how nations were hooked & spooked, namely with the help of those at the apex of the social pyramid. Just my opinion. 😉
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Gerry, for the Mayas I have a theory.
They built a big city in a time where big cities were ..rare.
They were not fishermen, but they moved only by boat, used no animals. But were supposedly farmers.
They spoke 30+ languages/dialects.
They lived in huts but could build palaces or temples.
Their style differs from the Egyptian, but their ancestors are unclear.
They possessed great mathematical (they used not the decimal system, but a 20 system) astronomical knowledge, but not for practical purposes (not for farming, not for sailing).
I could list many inconsistencies, too many.
So a logical solution: the Maya build one of the first international cities, like Hong Kong or Singapore. The region can be easily reached from the east, Europe, or the west, China.
It was a gold rush.
Many Mayas were miners, in my opinion.
The tempels are very similar to the chinese style. Extremely similar. They were mining metals (gold, silver etc). They had the skill to work stones and we see that in the stone buildings. There is no need for stone homes, because the temperature is all year round very comfortable.
For a long time they connected east and west. Then Europe became more important, the spanish took over.
Many of the Mayas moved north, started what we call the Aztecs (who officially came from nowhere). They founded what today is called Mexico city. They had the knowledge to drain the water from the see, to build stuff in stone, with or without cement, they were goldsmiths and silversmiths…
They did also pottery and clothes. Sounds familiar?
This is not a crazy theory. It fits more facts than the official version. It is consistent. But obviously a lot of details have to be checked. The language aspect would be nice.
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What evidence do we have that they didn’t use astrology for farming? I mean that in the literal sense, “study of the stars”, as opposed to the modern perverted horoscope usage of the word.
Also, what evidence do we have that they didn’t fish? It seems like every coastal culture developed fishing techniques. Did the Mayans not build along the Gulf? “Tulum”, the only city found by the Spaniards with a population, is on the coast. “Altun Ha” is also on the coast, but supporting your theory has excellent jade mines evidently. “Quirigua” has a history of stonework as well, though I don’t know about mines – but it’s also on or near the coast.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/map-of-the-maya-world.html
I’m just asking, not defying your premise here. What would evidence that they didn’t fish LOOK like? Nets and fishing lines wouldn’t leave much trace over centuries, nor wooden docks or wooden boats.
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As for a central or main metropolis, Tikal or Palanque tend to come to mind. But they are both landlocked, so perhaps it would have been one of those cities I listed above?
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Jared, you ask, do I have any proofs regarding Mayas main occupation?
Well, maybe not, but let us check one old Maya site, one that was about 80 km from the sea, close to the mountains.
From Wikipedia: “Caracol is the name given to a large ancient Maya archaeological site, located in what is now the Cayo District of Belize.”
“It is 15 km away from the Macal river. It rests on the Vaca Plateau at an elevation of 500 meters above sea-level, in the foothills of the Maya Mountains. Long thought to be a tertiary center, it is now known that the site was one of the most important regional political centers of the Maya Lowlands during the Classic Period. Caracol covered approximately 200 square kilometers, covering an area much larger than present-day Belize City (the largest metropolitan area in the country) and supported more than twice the modern city’s population.”
“The town grew into one of the largest ancient Maya cities, covering some 177 km² with an estimated population of over 100,000 with settlement focused along the many radiating causeways (potentially peaking between 120,000 and up to 180,000)”
“The Caracol area was occupied as early as 1200 BC, yet occupation in the epicentral area was no earlier than 650 BC and lasted no later than AD 950. Caracol boasts 53 carved stone monuments (25 stelae and 28 altars), and more than 250 burials and 200 caches.“
“By the Early Classic (between AD 250 and 550) Caracol was tied into extensive trade networks and pan-lowland ideological systems, leading to a unified regional economy. Caracol was officially founded in AD 331 (8.14.13.10.4) by Te’ K’ab Chaak. Special Deposit C117F-1, a Teotihuacan style cremation of three individuals dates precisely to this period, indicating early influences from northern Mexico.”
“Caana (meaning sky palace), the main pyramid at Caracol, houses 4 palaces and 3 temples and remains the tallest building in modern Belize, with a height of approximately 141 feet”
“The last recorded date at Caracol is AD 859 – 10.1.10.0.0, on Stele 10. Caana’s abandonment dates to approximately AD 900; several other structures have occupation that dates to the Terminal Classic period. Structure A6 was abandoned in AD 1050, and marks the final abandonment of the site”
So Mayas were not fisherman, because they lived prevalently far away from the coast. They were not primarily farmers, because a farmer has a farm and does not live in the city. The climate did not motivate them to build in stone, evidenced by the fact that they lived in wooden huts. They were all working for a big company.
They all left, in waves, my logic tells me, because the principal occupation was not there anymore, so all the services (food, transportation, housing, etc.) became obsolete. No one had local ties, they were there to work. Many of them moved further North, to Mexico. As Aztec (a “new company”) they founded Mexico City. Mexico City is 300 km from the Pacific coast, 260 km from the Atlantic coast.
Neither Mayas nor Aztec were farmers, in my opinion.
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Additionally I have quotes that hint to a chinese-mayan connection : “In East Central Quintana Roo some of the Mayans are descended from the marriages between Mayan Indian women and Chinese migrants and they were made fun of because of this by other people, although they are dealt with sympathetically, according to Alfonso Villa R. Mestizos and Mayans married with Chinese without restraint.”
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So what did they eat?
I mean I agree with your assessment in general, but when histories claim a vast culture wasn’t farmers of fishers or whatever, one must wonder what the hell they ate. Hunter-gatherer cultures never supported such large populations, that I know of. The human population worldwide is said to have been stable at roughly a million for hundreds of thousands of years prior to Totalitarian Agriculture.
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Sounds like a cool theory, but you have a lot of work cut out for you. 😉
If you’re already writing your paper, I’d separate it into 1) general “merchant prince” patterns 2) the Maya-Aztec link and 3) the global link. That way, the analysis will be a “win” for all of us, even if some won’t be convinced of 3).
In any case you may have found an explanation for the constant reshuffling: They’re auctioning off the leftovers of their “company nations”, and sometimes another god-king clan will have use for it, and moves in. In the Maya case, there was no buyer nearby.
As for 3) you’d have to come up with a good hypothesis. I don’t doubt that Bronze Age ships could make it across the ocean occasionally, but only with heavy losses. Can’t picture our chicken-hearted aristocrats getting aboard. Can’t picture them letting commoners run this either. I also think similarities to China & Phoenicia are weak, so I’d look for something that’s a) pretty secure, but b) slow, and c) infrequent.
If we’re to speculate, my only idea would be really large one-in-a-century convoys, 1 there, 1 back. Maybe Hanno’s 60 ships & 30,000 men weren’t so exaggerated. They’d found a new “company nation”, use locals for work, stash the loot in, say, pyramids, finally bail and leave that nation to rot.
Another thing that’d help is lower water levels. In my theory from part 3, warm climate made agricultural surplus possible, and the steep social hierarchies that were our doom. Maybe intercontinental trade networks had already been established in the low-water ice age, by commoners, with 100s of independent little hops. Maybe melting of the ice was lagging enough for god-kings to emerge while they could still usurp those intercontinental routes, for a while. Just speculation.
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I am not writing the paper, I am still thinking and researching…
What interest me most is the big picture. Your paper helped me a lot.
Miles helped insofar that he forced me to question everything.
Once in a while I go sailing. The sailing routes around the world are known. If you travel from Europe to Belize, you first go to Tenerifa, then Cuba, then you arrive.
On the Pacific side, from Mexico you go to Hawaii, then to Japan, Korea or China.
In the middle there are islands, the “Midway” islands.
I think we have to consider that society as we understand it started much earlier, cities and companies also, and the faking of events as well. The magic, the theater, the special effects….
As an aside: the bridge in Genova, did not collapse. It was mined and destroyed on purpose. The film showed the explosion. I saw it right away and told a college “I bet they will find a lame excuse for the two flashes of light”. Two hours later a witness said something about a lightning hitting the bridge… I won.
On the next day, same video, same tv- station, the flashes are gone.
The houses underneath were probably already empty, the railtracks had been cleaned up a long time earlier. The whole area is a residential speculation.
This is not interesting, it is not the big picture, but is not easy to avoid.
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Just remembered something from my Britain research: One place speculated to be the Phoenician Cassiterides are the Isles of Scilly, that sound like Sicily, and have an island named Samson.
More important is that there’s much evidence for the islands being much larger, possibly 1 island, in historic times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isles_of_Scilly&oldid=854385553#Early_history
It’s explained as a low-level inland plain being flooded, or the Southern England tectonic plate sinking. Maybe that’s true. But maybe the sea level rose globally. In either case, the same effect may have taken place elsewhere, even to a larger extent if we go back to 1000 BC and earlier. More stops for island-hopping to remote locations may then have been available.
Does anyone know an interactive map or something, where you can see what low sea level shorelines would look like?
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I’ve seen better ones, but I can’t find the bookmarks.
This works though:
http://www.floodmap.net/
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The sea between the UK, Irland and France is not very deep, 100m at most. The tide is very strong, so it is probable that 10.000 years ago some islands were connected, at least temporarily. For comparison the sea off Sicily goes down to up to 2000-3000 meters.
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It is my understanding that the Isles of Scilly refer to Cornwall and not to Sicily.
Regarding ancient coastlines, there are a few artist’s conception maps:
These show glaciation:
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Thanks for the maps, Jake, and sorry for the delayed answer. These maps are already interesting in that they all differ in the amount of dry land & glaciation.
The Aegean Sea was almost closed off from the Mediterranean, many of its islands were peninsulas, and Italy with Sicily almost closed off the eastern part of the Mediterranean. It’s no wonder that naval trade developed very early there: The people likely knew and maintained regional trade routes from the ice age.
It’s difficult to tell what this means for possible routes to America, apart from the official Bering Strait theory.
The English Channel is shallow & easily navigable now, and the same would have been true for the ice age “Iceland Channel” & “Greenland Channel”, when Britain was part of the continent. Some more Faroe islands may have been sticking out. Getting to the frozen lands beyond probably wasn’t very desirable, but perhaps the memory of them was kept by fishermen or something.
There are also underwater mountain ranges protruding from Spanish Sagres. Some more islands may have been sticking out on the way to the Azores. It all depends how low the water level really was, and how many mountaintops were eroded away once it rose. Maybe there were, or still are, some shallow spots we don’t now of.
I found a very famous early ocean floor map, the Heezen-Tharp Map, so celebrated it’s a little suspicious already. The map apparently hangs in the Library of Congress, and is included in Google Maps. It’s impressive, have a look:
Since I know zilch about this geological process, I’ll put the Early Contact question on the backburner for now, and research some more about the Fertile Crescent setup first. Feel free to continue the debate though.
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Gerry….. An important thing to remember, talking of course about the most recent ice age, is that they last a very long time around 100,000 years. During this time there are warm periods causing rapid melting and massive floods. But there are also long periods of devastating cold. Even today, as we enter a grand solar minimum, where the sun has hardly any sun spots or solar flares (low activity), many places, even near the equator, suffer damaging hailstorms, cold snaps, unusual snowfall etc, wiping out crops and killing off livestock. These bad weather years often have droughts complicating crop growing. This is with an overall drop in average temperatures of around 1C. If this continues for many decades you have Little Ice Age conditions where average world temperatures may be around 2C below today’s norm. With 4 inch hailstones is there any wonder we lived in caves and developed the thatched roof?
Now consider how difficult it would be, no matter where we lived in the world, to survive with a 12C drop in average temperatures.
There were probably extended periods when trading took place as warm decades made for more comfortable living, away from the mile deep ice fields covering much of Canada and Northern Europe. But when the deep cold returned, driving catastrophic storms and unbelievable snowfall amounts, then humans would find it extremely difficult to survive in any great numbers. Malnutrition would drive disease so cold and starvation wouldn’t be the only killers….plus cannibalism.
Over 100,000 years there would have been many times when conditions were such that populations could increase again, and along with this uptick international trading.
So many changes took place over that vast amount of time. Nothing linear about an ice age…
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I wonder… could the ancient pyramids found all around the world be the relics of an ancient civilization that managed to survive the ice age by tapping the power of the charge field to produce heat and electricity? Perhaps they were even able to literally warm a wide patch of ground in the surrounding environment to allow for food cultivation. There is emerging evidence of extensive tunnel complexes underneath pyramids (both directly and nearby). Maybe people took shelter underground for much of the time?
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I think the timelines are off, by a pretty big margin.
Egypt: “The history books generally point to 3200 B.C. as the approximate date when the pyramid of Khufu was under construction.”
Brazil: “Dating from 3000BC, the oldest of the Brazilian pyramids predate the earliest Egyptian example by several hundred years. ” [contradicts Egypt’s timeline]
But then from other sources:
Bosnia: “There are five (5) pyramids in Bosnia and it is said that they are 12000-26000 years old. ”
The time range there is bullshit/useless, but it DOES happen during the last ice age in either range (glacial maximum is said to be around 18,000 BC), so perhaps people could have used these back in the day to stay alive? But they would have had to have been built DURING it, or they wouldn’t be needed for heat to begin with?
And from yet another source on Egypt:
“Pyramid of Djoser
Year Built: c.2667 – 2648 BCE”
[it’s supposed to be the oldest, but above the Khufu ‘mid is 600 years older?]
And then in Indonesia:
“Experts dated rock between nine and 13 ft (three and four metres) below the surface as 6,500 years old and 12,500 years old below the surface.”
(again with the bullshit range – they’re supposed to be experts?)
So that would be 4500 BC to 10500, obviously. But at its oldest, around the time of the Bosnian ones? I don’t know if the ice ages covered Indonesia back then but I couldn’t find any evidence that they did in a quick search.
How is there so much confusion about what should be a pretty simple question? Which one is oldest, and where?
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I think the estimated ages of these things involves a lot of guess work. There is really no reliable way to date them. And there is a concerted effort to conceal their true age. Graham Hancock has said we’re a species with amnesia. To which I would reply: What do you expect? We’ve been roofied!
I can tell you that the estimates for the Bosnian pyramid come from two sources: one is how much topsoil had accumulated on top of the thing. Given a fairly regular rate at which top soil accumulates, you can estimate the age by how far you have to dig in order to get to these things. But that is just a date for when they fell out of use or were abandoned and began being covered. It doesn’t tell you when they were built. So the 12,000 year for the Bosnian pyramid is a lower bound. It’s hard to imagine they were fell into disuse shortly after construction.
The upper bound on the Bosnian pyramid comes from a leaf that was preserved within the conglomerate that was used to construct the thing. So they used carbon dating and came up with that. But there are problems with that method of dating as well.
Also, with many of these sites, there appear to be much older, larger megalithic construction underneath and newer, smaller construction built on top of them. The Egyptian pyramids in Giza may well be only as old as archaeologists think they are, but they are not necessarily the oldest or most mysterious megalithic structures in Egypt. See for example this video, which discusses some (but by no means all) of the evidence for a single civilization that spanned the globe prior to the ancient Egyptians (note I am not endorsing all the other content on this youtube channel, though some of it is good):
And here is another one that stands as more confirmation that the pyramids worked by tapping the charge field. Though the ways they did so likely went beyond the methods Miles hypothesized in his preliminary paper on pyramids as an electrical structure:
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That was fascinating!
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Josh…. yes, even in the middle east temperatures often plummeted with ice and snowfall. I don’t think anywhere was exempt. Today we see a slight drop of 1C causing unusual and heavy hail and snow in places like Iran, which is all sand and camels. We westerners just don’t think of Iran having snow to any degree. If such a small drop in average temperatures, caused by wild jet-stream loops dragging cold Arctic air down over N Africa, can cause Iranians to have to dig their cars out of snow drifts to get to work, then imagine what they could have experienced in a full blown ice age? So underground was great if you could manage it, otherwise a reliable heat source would be needed and any trees in that region wouldn’t last for many thousands of years if used for firewood. Like Jared said, there was little precipitation as most fresh water was locked up in the ice sheets. So trees wouldn’t grow very quickly, therefore planting new trees for firewood wouldn’t be of any benefit.
Back to trading. How would they feed their livestock with little to no rain and lots of snow and cold through the winters?
So if we look at the pyramid as an essential alternative to survival then….but how the heck did they invent such a thing? Was it developed over a great expanse of time, starting off a much smaller structure? Pyramids found all over the world but tend to be found close to the charge fields 30° N/S of the equator. Some look extremely ancient so how long has this technology been available….who invented it first?
Which begs the question, ‘how advanced were some of these ancient civilisations?
We have gone from horse & cart to 250 mph bullet trains in a matter of 100 years.
What could these people have been capable of? But there are so many devastating events during ice ages that survival of technology, learned people and information would be increasingly difficult. Most ancient text is found on stone tablets. Books and other records would not outlast an ice age and the ability to reproduce such information records would be very difficult due to lack of education and materials. It has been postulated and to some extent proven that mini ice ages wiped out entire civilisations. Several years of famine caused by crop failures trigger death and disease from starvation and malnutrition. Cannibalism has been proven with teeth and knife marks on human bones. If a shortish mini ice age can cause such human catastrophe, then what of a full blown one?
Free electrical energy would be a big help to survival but many of the largest civilisations across the world, with their own pyramid structures, were also wiped out by almost identical events causing their demise. Mini ice ages.
The last one that affected us ended roughly around 1865 which is when the industrial revolution took off. Railroads were extensively built across England in the early 1870’s. Also the London underground and Battersea power station for the required power. As the mini ice age ended prosperity took over. In the coldest and harshest times throughout this mini ice age period, we called it The Dark Ages! It drove the Romans out….so cold, so wet.
I think the pyramids in the middle east were built during the last ice age and quite possibly others too. The reason probably being just as Josh described.
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Except they were almost all about 10,000 years too young. And you cannot build one IN the ice, which would have been falling off even at that 10,000 years prior mark anyway.
We have no evidence of any pyramids built before the end of the last ice age. I mean, trying to be open to this concept but there’s simply no data that says they were built 10,000-20,000 years earlier than the history we have to work with. Not only that, all existing histories and data contradict that. 5,000 years old, sure. But not 15,000 years old.
Egypt was not in an ice age when the great pyramids were built.
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I think the only strong evidence of pyramid-like structures before the 12,000 year cut off point for the last ice age, would be the underwater stone structures off the coast of Japan I believe. Of course, the mainstream historians hate this find and try to get us to believe they are natural(?) structures. But this is nearer to where we would find older structures. If we go with Josh’s thoughts on using the pyramids for warmth and light, then much older structures stretching the timeline back through the ice age could be found yet. They are all sitting many kilometres offshore under many metres of silt and over 100 metres of sea water. This particular find is mostly buried in silt and underwater, offshore, hence, nobody knew it was there until a diver came across it by accident.
Many other pyramids have been found even in Europe, so the question must be asked, ‘if they are not religious or burial chambers or of astronomical use, then what purpose did they serve’? Very old civilisations came and went all over the world before our locust-like take over so if they were for heat and light, they didn’t help in food production, even in colder countries. They could have been useful electrically during more prosperous times.
I’m just waiting for the big find but unless we start looking in the right place it isn’t going to happen.
I agree with your locust description to a degree but apart from cities, the world isn’t covered in concrete to the extent you described.
A survey was done to find the amount of brick, tar and concrete covering the UK and the result was something like 1.7% or some figure close to that. The rest is woodland, farmland. moorland, mountains, lakes etc. There are many states in the US which are almost empty where you can drive for many hours without seeing a house or farm. Steven Fry travelled across America in a London cab and was astonished how empty some states were. Your particular description makes it sound like every State in the US looks like Manhattan.
I think that, where I agree with you the most, is not the extent of humanity’s take-over but the sheer lack of respect for just about everything, from graffiti on trains and buses, to litter, to selfish noise pollution, disrespect for other motorists and neighbours etc. Its all down to peoples stinking attitude to the wonderful prospects they are given that hurts me. My grandparents had a very hard life and only 100 years ago. Today is a paradise of opportunity but people are so selfish. I don’t see much difference between the greedy and selfish super-rich, and the greedy and selfish low paid people who act like leeches on the people around them in much the same way.
So to me, the sheer numbers and amount of concrete are arbitrary to the argument.
Like Miles says, people need to take a breath and learn to get along with each other.
The alternative is the self-destruction of society.
If mini ice ages have wiped out entire civilisations many times in the recent past, then the next one could just as easily devastate this one.
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” I don’t see much difference between the greedy and selfish super-rich, and the greedy and selfish low paid people who act like leeches on the people around them in much the same way.”
As above, so below…
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“So if we look at the pyramid as an essential alternative to survival then….but how the heck did they invent such a thing? Was it developed over a great expanse of time, starting off a much smaller structure? Pyramids found all over the world but tend to be found close to the charge fields 30° N/S of the equator. Some look extremely ancient so how long has this technology been available….who invented it first? Which begs the question, how advanced were some of these ancient civilisations?”
These are all great questions. I don’t know the answer to many of them, and I don’t know that we can ever know. But I’ve recently looked into the topic enough to feel confident saying that they were in many ways far more advanced than we are, and I believe they had a very sophisticated understanding of the charge field. I think we have this idea that any other advanced civilization would have to have technology that somehow resembles our current tech just more advanced. And science fiction usually feeds that notion. But there is no necessary reason to believe that technological advancement always follows a similar trajectory, so the technology they had may appear very different from ours and not all that ‘advanced’ from our perspective. The idea of building our structures out of rock, for example, strikes us as primitive. But that is mainly because we don’t understand well the advantages it confers. We also have in mind the kinds of things that we think of as important, like bullet trains, which would arguably not be important at all in a civilization that was more in tune with the natural order of things.
I also believe some of these civilizations were very ancient, where I would put 25,000 years as a lower bound and some hundreds of thousands of years as an upper bound (though it could be even longer). What’s more, there seems to be a very concerted, well-organized effort to dismiss and misdirect about the age and import of the archaeological record of this/these ancient civilization/s. And one of the people leading that effort, surprisingly enough (or not in light of Miles’ paper on him), appears to be Graham Hancock — who dishes out tantalizing morsels about ancient civilization while himself dismissing much compelling evidence for it. (I think part of this misdirection is to get us arguing whether we were more advanced 12,000 or so years ago as opposed to the ‘standard model’ of human advancement, while the 12,000 year bit is a probably off by at least an order of magnitude. And of course, they won’t go anywhere NEAR the charge field.)
You mentioned that many ice age structures should have been built along the coastline and so would now be buried under water. Have you heard of the Yonaguni monument off the coast of Japan? That seems to fit your bill. There is a lot of misdirection around it. Compare for example the wikipedia entry (notice the pictures they use to illustrate it) versus this blog entry from a guy named Jock Young.
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Yes Josh, I agree, and have mentioned the monument in my post to Jared above this one. I stopped believing Mr Hancock a long time ago. Another case of using snippets of truth then wrapping them up in a gift paper of lies and ribbons of misdirection.
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Some very interesting info’ in this talk from Mr Schoch…. Including giant lightning strikes and coronal mass ejections causing flash floods.
The connections between comets and catastrophe, starting with comets hitting Earth but the reality being more complex, with comets hitting the Sun, triggering flares which then cause massive lightning storms, eruptions, earthquakes on the planet.
Imagine the primitive mind being faced with this kind of catastrophe.
Is this when Gods were born to explain the sky becoming angry?
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Thanks but I’m reluctant to watch it. Schoch has lost all credibility in my eyes due to his opinions on the Bosnian pyramids and the Yonaguni monument. I don’t think he’s that stupid. It has to be deliberate. Actually he makes my stomach turn.
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I know what you mean Josh. It’s so difficult to find any academic who hasn’t been tainted by the same poison. He talks the talk of an innocent man but TPTB can get to everyone if they so wish it. If climate upheaval is close at hand then preventing mass panic will be top of their agenda. Warning or buying all the people who speak out is de rigueur for those in power so it’s only to be expected. I guess nobody is going to agree 100% with Miles or anyone else, but for Schoch to poo poo the Yonaguni makes me shiver. Schoch is part of the Faram Foundation who seem to go with the Yonaguni as being a kind of elaborate trig-point mapping out the nearby countries. I haven’t gone in too deep with this since I saw academics dismiss it as a natural phenomenon.
I will endeavour to bring myself up to date with all this.
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I’m not sure about the timelines you’re working with in terms of coinciding with populations and trade here.
https://www.livescience.com/40311-pleistocene-epoch.html
“The Pleistocene Epoch is typically defined as the time period that began about 2.6 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. The most recent Ice Age occurred then, as glaciers covered huge parts of the planet Earth.”
So the timelines is well before Totalitarian Agriculture, which basically began just after the last major ice age and was also likely a result of rich glacial deposits being available, especially over in the Middle East (Fertile Crescent, etc.). Sure, people grew crop plants before, but they didn’t grow them in the same quantities or build a society (racket, thievery culture, OUR culture) around crop-growing, that I’m aware of. Typically the timeline is around 7,000BC but it maybe well be a few more millenia old – but couldn’t have occurred during that last huge ice age, really, since there was very little precipitation as a result of all the ice.
“The Pleistocene Epoch is the first in which Homo sapiens evolved, and by the end of the epoch humans could be found in nearly every part of the planet. ”
A lot of evidence exists that people had spread all over, and the population is estimated at roughly a million or so worldwide just after the ice age. Travel between continents was much easier back then, relative to our travels prior to the dawn of our culture. The Fertile Crescent or whatever, however, did NOT happen in nearly every part of the world. It happened in one part of the world, and then spread like the plague it is to kill or absorb almost every other area.
“During peak periods with most of the water frozen, global average temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees C (9 to 18 degrees F) below today’s temperature norms.”
Kinda funny that they give two numbers as an average of course; why not just say ~7.5°C? But that’s still just over half the ~12C° difference you stated (7.5 vs 6). Do we have any evidence of an average more than 10°C? It’s possible, I’m just curious where you got your numbers and “mine” aren’t necessarily correct, given the source.
The point being, humanity was NOT a globe-encompassing locust-like disease yet prior to the last ice age. Our sick culture began after that, but allegedly the population was roughly stable for a million years before that already. The population explosion happened as a direct result of OUR current culture; no other before this one ever produced locust swarms of idiot fucking humans to eat and destroy everything, prior. At least that I’m aware of.
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I can’t remember whether I already said this but there are many grey variables in trying to understand very ancient history. The most reliable temperature data is gleaned from tree rings, then lake sediments, then ice cores as we go further back in time. The further back you go, the less accurate the data but lots can be learned along the way. My sources? Jeeeez! I’ve read so much over the past 20 years and new evidence is always being found but links break and disappear and my old memory can’t recall sources. I gained a lot of understanding from the EU folk. Some of the stuff they peddle is true and some of them have good sensible theories. The shapes of plasma discharges being almost identical to many cave paintings for instance. Coincidence? With so many similarities I don’t think so.
The main thrust of my argument for pre-historic humans is that we have eaten or buried or cremated (disease prevention), our kin throughout history. This means that remains are increasingly scarce as we go further back in time. During the coldest parts of an ice age, the ice can be several miles deep. The pressure must be gigantic. It literally carves out shapes in mountains made from granite and gneiss. Most of the places humans lived during this time would have been close to the coastlines, where seafood would have been a staple diet. Unreliable grazing for any livestock plus difficulty foraging for green foods would mean a heavy reliance on the sea. Thing is, the oceans were around 140 metres lower than today.during the last ice age and haven’t been higher than today for well over 100,000 years. Also, the glaciation followed by flooding would crush everything into unrecognisable pulp and dust, then wash it all away into the sea. The best chance of finding worthwhile evidence is about 100 metres under the sea and probably 1 to 15 km offshore, which is where these ancient people lived. Here any artefacts would be buried in silt, pretty well preserved and easily found for anyone looking in the right place.
Over time, just about all caves have been found and plundered. Inland, any tools, burial chambers/grounds, buildings, weapons etc, will have been pulverised and washed away through the river system during huge (biblical?), floods as the ice age ended. Trying to find anything from before the last ice age will be nigh on impossible as sea levels were much higher, food was available everywhere and so people were living mostly inland.
I’m not seriously suggesting that there were civilisations before the last major glaciation but it remains a strong possibility for the reasons I just described.
Most of the evidence being far out to sea or disintegrated.
Pyramids. The dates just keep on getting pushed back further and further.
The Sphinx is thought to be much older than previously thought because some of the major erosion marks look like they were caused by running water. The Nile has moved considerably over the millennia and at some point, obviously long after the Sphinx was built, it ran through the pyramid complex, literally wearing away the Sphinx. It is believed that the Nile ran past the site but on the other side, then over many thousands of years changed it’s course several times (those biblical floods again?).
I do think the pyramids purpose was electrical as the burial chamber and astronomical theories have been trashed.
The question is always asked ‘why build them?’ but if they were to produce electrical power, then that is a very good reason. Religious alignment with stars and kings burial chambers aren’t sensible reasons for that much cost and work.
Tesla’s Wardencliffe Tower is said to have used a similar principle, either tapping into the atmosphere’s potential or as Miles states, the charge field. There is a voltage potential of several hundred volts between the desert floor and the tip of the largest pyramid.
Time-scales are arbitrary due to many different factors but logical analysing is gradually chipping away at any discrepancy and as this is done, dates seem to go further and further back. Little is known about times beyond 5,000 years simply because we were literally climbing back out of the new stone age. Personally I don’t think that the stone age just happened once. It could have happened many times after each ice age ended. Also, we must remember that ice ages aren’t as individual as I’m perhaps implying. There have been extremely long cold periods containing many ice ages, some much worse than other with no warm periods (interglacials) long enough to establish a civilisation. So perhaps farming and trading are a relatively recent phenomena?
We won’t know until we start searching the offshore, underwater sites, maybe then we might make progress.
Even the last mini-ice-age was 800 years long but was made up of three cold dips during that extended period, with much warmth and prosperity between each period.
Nothing linear about the climate.
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And within hours the BBC post this artickle (sic)….spooky or what?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-45559300
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Some very good and interesting points, for certain. There is definitely a LOT more to learn, so much more to discover, and much of the past is lost to us. It’s a wonderful work, aside from the professional misdirection and falsehoods we’re always fed of course. I really liked what you said here and it reminds me to keep my mind open, because we really don’t know shit about what happened beyond a few thousand years ago, and not much more in recent times either. Soooo much to learn! It’s daunting but wonderful.
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“…no other before this one ever produced locust swarms of idiot fucking humans to eat and destroy everything, prior. At least that I’m aware of.”
If we stick to Miles’ logical principles then we can discard most historic stories such as wars and raping & pillaging. More evidence keeps emerging of international trading not warring. Even the Genghis Khan stories may have happened but the numbers may be seriously exaggerated. Miles has taught us to question absolutely everything and take nothing for granted. What would be the point of slaughtering thousands of people who you could easily trade with? Later exploitation of mineral wealth was a strong reason for a major genocidal take over such as the North American native peoples. But much further back in time trading was an essential part of life between nations. Why kill the very people who could supply you with the things you needed? Why not help them stay alive so they could continue that supply?
Not too long ago, we learned that it wasn’t so much the English aristocracy that emptied the Highlands of Scotland of the native people (the clearances) but the Scottish Lairds. Then we find out who these Scottish lairds really were…and where they came from…and how they married into Scottish wealth over centuries. Then suddenly it all starts to make sense. Infect Scotland, Wales and Ireland to gain control of wealth and land, the you are in a perfect and powerful position to weaken the English monopoly over Europe. The same systematic weakening can be seen with Germany. How to weaken the strongest country using it’s previous allies, the ones it trusts the most.
Today we see similar tactics but with quicker results using ‘financial hit-men’, offering countries leaders incentives to do things the western way or take the consequences.
Saves them the long-winded trouble of marrying someone, and pretending to like the in-laws!
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“If we stick to Miles’ logical principles then we can discard most historic stories such as wars and raping & pillaging.”
I don’t believe I made the point clear enough, in reference to “locusthood”. It’s precisely the opposite of your point – not enough people were DYING. Too many people were proliferating and the population was just exploding, and this didn’t begin until Totalitarian Agriculture began. Prior to that, everything we know (everything I’ve studied, that is to say) says the population remained roughly stable for hundreds of thousands of years. Why?
Because prior to OUR culture, humanity was still subject to natural law. Just like every other species on the planet. We had famines and droughts, and times of great feasting and prosperity – so there were many spikes and depressions, sure. But it wasn’t until our ancestors decided to hoard and lord the food that the population began seriously exploding. Our ancestors died a lot younger and lived a lot harder, and fuller lives at that. They accomplished things for themselves and their families, not for overlords and greedy rich people. They hunted and gathered and planted what they could, and didn’t kill each other much at all that we know of. Sure, they gave as good as they got between tribes and cultures. But that’s not the same as war, or even fake war.
And when I say “destroy everything” I mean the natural order and all other species, not the human-constructed cities or landscapes. That’s what our current culture does – destroy. We’re effectively a blight upon the Earth, a fucking skin rash upon the surface. It may seem like I’m romanticizing the topic here but just look at pics of Earth from space (if you can find any REAL ones, of course!) or look outside your windows or take a trip through your own city. Global policy is now “cover the Earth in concrete”. Because what’s on top of the concrete makes the Families more money than anything that could grow below it.
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“If we stick to Miles’ logical principles then we can discard most historic stories such as wars and raping & pillaging. More evidence keeps emerging of international trading not warring.”
My intention is not to pick on you, Russell. Precisely which ones do you suggest we should discard?
I was recently revisiting Bosnia after 17 years. The country was pretty much rebuilt since the devastating war and my last visit, but I was still able to notice bullet holes in the facades and a few burnt houses outside Sarajevo. Nothing like you suggest is true in that particular case.
More than 600 mass graves with victims from WWII were marked and confirmed in Slovenia alone. I visited one site and have seen skeletons being removed and properly reburied elsewhere. All of them had marks of violence on their bones and hands tied on their backs with a piece of a telephone wire. What did I witness in your opinion?
There were literally thousands of relic WWI bullets, mines, grenades and other pieces of military equipment found in my country, with some of them on display in the local museums. The most western part of Slovenia was a major WWI front line. Was the whole body of evidence dropped there intentionally to give an impression of reality to war stories?
There are tens of poems written in my country’s ethno heritage, that talk about the violence and sorrow brought by the Ottomans. All conquered countries / people have similar cultural heritage.There are etymological connections to some of the words we still use in the Balkans, that have roots in Turkish / Ottoman language. The whole country of Bosnia is a relic of an Ottoman empire. What do you think of Janissaries then, were they diplomatic missionaries?
There is a completely different body of evidence that tells a story of hundreds of thousands of slaves – white and black, or any other skin color. Wars are perfect instruments to enslave a whole population. Or did they voluntarily submit themselves as slaves, to be mistreated and abused?
Violence is not a myth. an wars are not a hoax.They’re managed and the outcome is rigged, but people really get hurt and die. The numbers may be exaggerated, but it doesn’t mean you can discard all the violent deaths as fake.
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Vexman….I would suggest discarding the stories with little evidence or obviously distorted evidence. The further back we go the more distortion appears to be used. More recent war is more easily proven yet still the distortion continues. As you say, you have seen the mass graves but the official numbers of dead are often distorted as Miles analysis proves, like the impossibilities of battles being fought the way that is officially suggested. I have met people who have witnessed WWII atrocity and used to believe whatever I was told but I have learned to distrust official figures and stories. As Miles points out, many if not most older historic battle stories were distorted to fit the narrative, some reality wrapped in lots of propaganda. As for real war and real deaths, the real reasons for the war are the misleading and fake news angle, not the deaths and visually provable destruction. The beginning of WWII was carefully planned. We are told it was a single shooting which caused a chain reaction of events but with Miles help we can see many suspicious meetings of important financiers in the weeks and months leading up to the start. 200 years ago people were more easily duped into believing whatever they were told. These days, it is more difficult to pull the wool over peoples eyes so a little more visual stimulus is required to twist the public’s opinion. A destroyed city gives TPTB a huge opportunity to massage the figures and the numbers of dead would be a great place to start manipulating them. Eye witness statements are often provably false too as with details of infamous mass executions, and would never stand up to scrutiny in a court of law. So there is no line drawn in sand as far as official war stories are concerned because the stories are so twisted and manipulated in just the same way everything else is. Bullet holes and graves there may well be, and in profusion but this doesn’t guarantee the numbers of dead are true…..just like the Titanic story and most other main news stories.
We have always been taught that the Vikings were a horrible and vicious people who destroyed and pillaged everywhere they went. It now transpires they were traders and traded with peoples across the world and the stories of war are probably just myth and fairytale. If a few bed-time stories are believed by the right people, then fables are born, which can lead to mass disinformation, especially if seeded and promulgated.by the church for political gain.
I don’t want to sound dismissive about war or death as I’ve experienced it myself but often, the numbers of dead in a war are often far outweighed simply by the numbers of people killed on a single countries roads over a similar period. Kind of puts a completely new perspective on the numbers game doesn’t it? Even road fatality numbers are massaged to sway public opinion.
A fast and open, twisty bikers favourite road near us was fitted with ‘average speed cameras’ allegedly to slow enthusiastic bikers and reduce the number of DEATHS on this particular stretch of road. I looked up the official police figures for that road and over the previous ten years there had been 7 deaths. 3 were well outside the restricted speed camera zone, 2 were in cars not on bikes and one of the accidents were a rider and pillion, so 2 deaths on one vehicle in a single accident. So to promote the story in the press that this is a “the most dangerous and deadly road in Britain” (I kid you not), and spend many tens of thousands of pounds erecting average speed cameras is nothing short of scandalous and pure lies…so where do the lies stop and truth begin?
By the way, WWII and the London Blitz. Decades later we find that the British government wanted huge change in parts of the city which required demolition of many thousands of old houses and a complete restructuring of the road network. Some people found this a little curious as the bombs seemed to fall precisely where the rebuilding was to take place, with a few direct hits on important buildings for authenticity.
Eye witnesses? Almost everyone was either in the underground railway tunnels or bomb proof bunkers for safety. Well that was very handy wasn’t it? The bombs could have been dropping from Chinese helicopters and the public would never know.
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Researching one atrocity (such as Hiroshima) and finding it was fake doesn’t mean for that all those people didn’t die there – they just didn’t get nuked. They got napalmed. Guess what? Still fucking dead. Horribly killed, by a conflagration. Burned and melted alive in their beautiful homes.
I vaguely wonder how the Native American cultures feel about the “fake” atrocities from their past, or the people of Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge about their “fictional” cultural demolition and mass murder. Or how the people of the Congo feel about their child soldiers, cannibalism, and mass rape – estimated to average 48 women per hour at its height. Or the Paraguayan War that ended 60% of its population, or the Greek Pontic Genocide which ended 3,000 years of culture in a bloody million and a half dead in 1923 – or the Armenian Genocide of two million perpetrated by the same people (Ottomans) just a few years prior.
It goes on and on, because the horrors go on and on. While there is a LOT of misinformation and a lot of spin from all the media hype, propaganda, and white/blackwashing by/for other cultures, I find it rather naive to just ASSUME that most of this stuff was faked or inflated simply because some other events were. It’s a logical fallacy, on top of being lazy. Research an event and despin it, don’t assume that something is fake just because many other things are. It’s sloppy work.
So keep that first example in mind, sharply, when we discuss fake events in the future. If you think the Powers That Be aren’t malevolent enough to kill fucking everyone they want, you’re wrong.
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Jared….. “I vaguely wonder how the Native American cultures feel about the “fake” atrocities from their past”.
I would say that the official story about The Indian Wars is faked up to the eyebrows. Those people were systematically culled in lots of faked events to get rid of the whole indigenous population. They were being taken over but at the time, what proof was there? Joe public had to believe what they saw in the press.
“I find it rather naive to just ASSUME that most of this stuff was faked or inflated simply because some other events were.”
So the conclusions we draw from finding fakery in almost every major event in history mean nothing? I simply question the numbers. Atrocity happens from a rape or murder in your own neighbourhood, to mass genocide (back to Native Americans). The huge numbers you quote….how do you prove those numbers died, especially hundreds of years ago. There are graves where we find bones with weapon marks and proof of brutal murder, and marks proving cannibalism but in just about every case, inflated numbers serve TPTB greatly.
I’m not saying all wars must be faked or atrocity was faked, just the sheer volume of people killed. I’ve read about mass graves which have previously been attributed to mass murder but forensic analysis has proven they died from disease.
If we start going back over hundreds of years for instance, many of the wars supposedly fought and millions(?) who supposedly died, met their end around the time of famine driven malnutrition and the unpreventable spread of disease. I think you’ll find that in the distant past, famine and disease have killed far more people – truly in the millions – than wars have. These numbers can then be introduced into the historic record to make heroes of warmongering leaders.
Wholesale slaughter does happen this is true but I suggest that these powerful people will take an atrocity such as the Khmer Rouge incidents and inflate them with propaganda to suit their own political goals.
Brutal deaths can be proven….the figures cannot….
Even the US election voting figures are massaged and manipulated.
Also road death figures to promote the use of revenue earning fixed speed cameras. The total number of deaths on UK roads was around 2,700 varying by several thousand each year and slowly falling from much higher numbers back in the 1970’s. Then the TV programme Top Gear make it clear that the numbers had not fallen, significantly or otherwise, 10 years after the introduction of thousands of speed cameras. Can you guess what happened next? Over the next couple of years the figures miraculously dropped to around 1,400. The explanation was that we had to wait to see the effects, that it wasn’t going to happen overnight. So you wait ten years them wham, instant reduction (overnight?).
Its the numbers game Jared….fake numbers everywhere you look.
Atrocity I believe if proven, like the torture and slaughter of Canadian Natives by the Catholic church….but the numbers just beg our belief. In that particular case the numbers are kept small to protect the churches reputation (hard to hide it). But the real numbers were, in this case, much higher, as with the American Natives. All depends on whether they need high or low numbers to suit their agenda!
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I definitely agree that the numbers are and can be inflated and manipulated to serve various agenda, Russell. We must be vigilant and suspect everything, of course, and keep our biases at bay.
What I think Vexman was saying (and I’m paraphrasing) is that the numbers aren’t as important as the events themselves. For example, does it matter if 90,000 people died at Hiroshima or 100,000? I mean it DOES matter in terms of accuracy, obviously, but the key takeaway isn’t how many people died, it’s how and why the event transpired in the first place – and the spin and lies hoisted upon it by TPTB in the whole “nuclear detonation” hoax.
What I mean is that if Hiroshima was firebombed simply BECAUSE they needed a distant city to perpetrate the nuke hoax, that makes it even worse than if there had been actual nukes involved, to me. Kill tens of thousands of people just to sell a story? That’s what it seems like happened there (and at Nagasaki), to me nowadays. They massacred as many people as they could just to push fearism forward, and launch the Cold War, which is of course the most profitable war in human history and the greatest lie and hoax we’ve really ever seen. Nothing has scared more people than nukes. And the price for that fear was tens of thousands of innocent, harmless people and their beautiful homes.
I feel like the numbers are often just semantics. What HAPPENED is what’s important, and why, but even more important – WHODUNIT? Who was responsible for the decisions to murder people for profit?
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Thanks for paraphrasing, that would be the condensed comment. There’s a danger in rejecting a whole narrative of a suspicious story just because the numbers don’t add up. By dismissing it, one can completely miss the big picture and a realization of how easily people can be turned against each other. The latter is our biggest weakness and PTB’s most important lever of power. Few millenia of experience made them masters of manipulation and deceit, which is pretty obvious for us at this point, isn’t it? With that in mind, every single event should be investigated, de-spun and properly re-written in historic context.
I can imagine humans would rank as (one of) the cruelest species in the whole universe if such list was ever made.
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“What I mean is that if Hiroshima was firebombed simply BECAUSE they needed a distant city to perpetrate the nuke hoax, that makes it even worse than if there had been actual nukes involved, to me. Kill tens of thousands of people just to sell a story?”
Absolutely.
The war was already won. The bombing was pure propaganda.
The numbers are arbitrary and were manipulated to fit the narrative.
We are always told that these atrocious killings are accidental, or clever battle strategy, or an unforeseen error, or unavoidable. The truth seems to be that they are all planned and just made to look like the unavoidable collateral damage of war.
In that case, a single death is one too many.
Syria is one big unimaginable horror show at present. Real death, real atrocity.
Leaving the numbers aside, like you said Jared, who is really behind it and pulling the strings and for what purpose? Who stands to gain from the war.
One by one, all the Arab nations are being weakened…..I wonder why?
The former Yugoslavia…. I can’t understand the constant conflict. I used to think it was religious as with N Ireland but the hatred goes way back. Maybe the trouble is triggered by TPTB just to keep the East European neighbours fearful of being dragged into conflict…..just a thought? Boris?
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As for the ice age peoples living along a now underwater coastline: A French reader sent me this link to the Cromlech of Er Lannic, today half submerged. (It’s near Arzon from the ARZ≈cedar list, though that likely came later.)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cromlech_d%27Er_Lannic&oldid=143823433
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Cromlech_d%27Er_Lannic.jpg/1024px-Cromlech_d%27Er_Lannic.jpg?uselang=fr
That reader found more clues. Conversely, much later parts of the French coast like Saintonge seem to have silted up again, and many now landlocked towns were ports in classical times, such as “La Palmyre”. That’s why I missed them in my route to Britain. 😦
https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=La_Palmyre&oldid=150781933
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As for that Bosnian pyramids blog: Just noticed that the river running through them is called Fojnica?!?
http://anamericaninbosnia.blogspot.com/2015/08/built-by-ancients-fojnica-river.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fojni%C4%8Dka_River&oldid=858583500
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fojnica&oldid=859232868
Also noticed the Bosnian pyramid author’s a bit on the esoteric side. Nothing wrong with that, but I fear the truth about these possible ancient civilizations won’t be entirely pleasing either.
http://anamericaninbosnia.blogspot.com/2015/08/questions-for-akashic-records-eternal.html
In all of known history, such giant structures were always built by the many for the few. Ancient Egypt survived into known history, and their rulers still had pyramids. Their mysticist punnery and their symbolism don’t quite match “our” spooks, but it’s suspicious nonetheless. And unless their pyramids are blind imitations, they still shared the secrets of the “ice age” crowd.
Perhaps we can still pry some of it from their mummified clutches. Please tell me if you ever find hints to Egyptian texts ABOUT pyramids.
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Gerry describes many Phoenicians ports. One is Nora, in the south of Sardinia. I visited the ruins.
There is a rest of a roman amphitheater, some mosaics and a couple of walls. On the floor I noticed a groove, sort of narrow channel and so I asked the guide about it. He said that the place was older than roman (confirming the Phoenicians story) and that in the harbor the buildings were not for living, but for storage. The rooms had sliding doors (!!). That was surprising to me.
Nora is 50 km west of Cagliari. If you go 50 km east of Cagliari there is Villasimius. It is a beautiful place for vacation, with gorgeous beaches. The town’s old name is Crabonaxa. There is a Carbonara bay, a Capo Carbonara and others. What I mean is that the area has been a coal mine for hundreds of years. The town was reachable only by water until very recently (like less than 100 years) and was a Phoenician port (is missing in Gerry’ s list).
I always wondered why such a beautiful place would be so… “hidden”, not advertised, not even connected. Obviously they used to make enough money with minerals extraction. Only when this is not the case anymore, they start developing tourism.
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>Villasimius, Sardinia
I found this:
The Nuragic civilization was a civilization in Sardinia, the second largest island in the Mediterranean Sea, which lasted from the 18th century BCE (Bronze Age) to the 2nd century CE. The civilization’s name derives from its most characteristic monument, the nuraghe, a tower-fortress type of construction built in numerous exemplars starting from about 1800 BCE.[1] Today some 7,000 nuraghes[2] dot the Sardinian landscape.
No written records of this civilization have been discovered,[3] apart from a few possible short epigraphic documents belonging to the last stages of the Nuragic civilization.[4] The only written information there comes from classical literature of the Greeks and Romans, and may be considered more mythological than historical.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuragic_civilization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuraghe
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About evidence for Punic-Phoenician place names and material contact early on in Britain.
(I don’t know whether much of the info in these links has been mentioned already, so here goes) :
http://www.caitlingreen.org/2016/12/punic-names-britain.html
http://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/10/oxygen-isotope-evidence.html
http://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/04/thanet-tanit-and-the-phoenicians.html
http://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/08/a-mediterranean-anchor.html
Including a map of astoundingly many Carthaginian coins found in Britain, the finding locations of which also often seem to coincide with putatively Phoenician place names.
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Please consider this an avid reader’s request to collate these comments in a more readable, chronological format, as its own paper. I can’t follow this for some reason but it’s so intriguing!
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I haven’t done my homework for this class on the Phoenicians yet, but I just stumbled over a poem from the Waste Land by T.S. Eliot today, which had some of the keywords that I’ve been picking up from conversations over here. I looked up Eliot and found out he worked for Lloyds bank in London, which I found interesting. I always wondered why “April is the cruellest month”, and now given the connection to Lloyds bank, I wonder if it has something to do with the end of the fiscal year in the UK. Definitely, looking forward to reading these papers on the Phoenicians when time allows.
Death by Water
Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,
Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell
And the profit and loss.
A current under sea
Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell
He passed the stages of his age and youth
Entering the whirlpool.
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
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DEATH BY WATER is a version of the last seven lines of Eliot’s earlier poem, Dans le Restaurant. (Originally in French)
Phlébas, le Phénicien, pendant quinze jours noyé, 25
Oubliait les cris des mouettes et la houle de Cornouaille,
Et les profits et les pertes, et la cargaison d’etain:
Un courant de sous-mer l’emporta tres loin,
Le repassant aux étapes de sa vie antérieure.
Figurez-vous donc, c’etait un sort penible; 30
Cependant, ce fut jadis un bel homme, de haute taille.
https://www.bartleby.com/199/21.html
Here is the given English translation:
Phlebas the Phoenician, fairest of men,
Straight and tall, having been born in a caul
Lost luck at forty, and lay drowned
Two long weeks in sea water, tossed of the
streams under sea, carried of currents
Forgetful of the gains
forgetful of the long days of sea fare
Forgetful of mew’s crying and the foam swept coast
of Cornwall,
Born back at last, after days
to the ports and stays of his young life,
A fair man, ports of his former seafaring thither at last
http://expectationmyheavenanddwellingplace.blogspot.com/2009/11/english-versions-of-two-french-poems-by.html
Here is Google Translate’s version:
Phlebas, the Phoenician, drowned for fifteen days, 25
Forgetting the cries of seagulls and the swell of Cornwall,
And the profits and losses, and the tin (!) cargo:
A submarine current carried him far,
Ironing him back to the stages of his previous life.
Imagine, then, it was a painful spell; 30
However, he was once a handsome, tall man.
And here is The Wasteland in its entirety for those who are interested:
https://www.bartleby.com/201/1.html
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An excerpt from one of Jordan Maxwell’s lectures that may be helpful, but note that he is an elite agent, so be careful if you study his material:
Understanding law and the words of law, there are two things this planet has: water and earth, water and land. Consequently, there are two kinds of law – the law of the land and the law of water. You’ve heard the term “law of the land” but in point of fact, that’s precisely what this term means because it is the people who live on land, and that is opposed to something else, called the “law of the high seas” or the law of water and you need to understand the difference. The law of the land is the law of the culture that lives on the land and consequently, the law of the land is different in every country…
However, there is a higher law that dominates the entire world… it’s called the law of the water or the law of the high seas. The law of water is referred to as the law of money… Anytime you’re doing banking or using money, you are now under the law of water, maritime admiralty… it began in the land of Canaan (an ancient term for a region roughly corresponding to present-day Israel, the West Bank, western Jordan, southern and coastal Syria and Lebanon continuing up until the border of modern Turkey). The Canaanites were Phoenician… Phoenician bloodline… in the ancient Phoenician language, “Canaan” meant “merchant banker”. The word “merchant” comes from “mer” for the sea, for water, as in “mermaid”… The law of water is the law of banking and money, as opposed to the law of the custom of the people or the law of the land. [Reminds me of the “Sea Peoples” …]
Source: http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?2,481287,481287
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[I’ll post this here, since it is related to spooks in general.]
@Miles
In your paper Learn to Recognize Government Disinformation, you discussed Greenwald’s article on covert agents infiltrating the internet. What I didn’t know is that the slides used in this article are taken from another one called The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations. These slides were supposedly authored by the British spook agency GCHQ (NSA’s counterpart).
This is what caught my eye:
a) On slide number 5 you can find the following expressions: compliance, obedience, deception, magic, influence, psychology, trust, elicitation. They remind me on Derren Brown’s (British mentalist and illusionist) intro words to his TV episodes: “I mix magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship.” Brown’s words actually summarize how Intel agencies (controlled by the elite families) govern the population. Yes, I’m sure Brown comes from the peerage.
b) On slide number 6 it says: S4 and next to it SCIENCE, SIGINT, SKILLS, SYSTEMS. The S4 reminds me on the British security company G4S which was involved in building and maintaining GCHQ’s headquarters. Among the owners of G4S you find also State Street Institutional Investment Trust, State Street Master Funds, State Street Variable Insurance Series Funds, Blackrock Funds, Blackrock Funds lii, Blackrock Index Funds, Blackrock Advantage Global Fund, Goldman Sachs Trust, and Goldman Sachs Etf Trust. G4S is supposedly the world’s largest security company measured by revenues and has operations in more than 90 countries. It was founded in 2004 by the merger of the UK-based Securicor with the Denmark-based Group 4 Falck. Securicor was founded in 1935 by the former Home Secretary (= MI5) Edward Shortt (married to Isabella Stewart Scott). In 1939 it was taken over by Major Freeman Freeman-Thomas (Lord Willingdon) and a Henry Tiarks who developed it into a leading security business. Securicor, along with co-founder British Telecom, was involved with the creation of mobile phone operator Cellnet in 1985. Securicor sold its share in the company to British Telecom in 1999, resulting in the formation of BT Cellnet, which was later spun off as O2, a famous telco (think about the O2 Arena in London). What I didn’t know is that O2 is just a brand name – the name of the company that owns it is Telefónica Europe plc, which is a subsidiary of the Spanish telco Telefónica, S.A. Note that both British Telecom and Securicor/G4S are involved with the construction of GCHQ’s headquarters in Cheltenham.
Also, there is an S4Security Ltd. company registered outside London, but “based in London”, headed by a 31 year-old Pakistani. It looks like a fake to me. No logos and corporate photos in Google Pictures.
So, could the S4/4S be a GCHQ spook marker?
c) Slide number 8 (“We want to build cyber magicians.”) and slide number 15 (cards flying in air) again remind me on Derren Brown, but also on the movies Now You See Me 1&2, in which the plot revolves around faked deaths of rich and influential people and magicians recruited by an organisation called The Eye. “It is a secret society made up of the most skilled magicians from around the world (illusionists, mentalists, escapists, psychics, hypnotists, card-trickers and mediums) […] and originated from ancient Egypt”. Merchant princes, Phoenicians come to my mind …
d) Slide number 16 (“Magicians, the military and intelligence”) is a bit more telling. It features three magicians, I guess all of them upper class boys, and their involvement with Intelligence. The first is Jean Robert Houdin (reminds me on the Jewish illusionist Harry Houdini, born in Budapest, Hungary, as Erik Weisz, a child of Rabbi Mayer Sámuel Weisz and Cecília Steiner; think about Rudolph Steiner, the founder of anthroposophy, also born in the Kingdom of Hungary exactly 20 years after Houdini’s mother and died 12 years after her death). The second is Jasper Maskelyne, “a British stage magician in the 1930s and 1940s. He was one of an established family of stage magicians, the son of Nevil Maskelyne and a grandson of John Nevil Maskelyne. He is most remembered, however, for his entertaining accounts of his work for British military intelligence during the Second World War, in which he claims that he created large-scale ruses, deception and camouflage”. His father, Nevile Maskelyne, was a magician and inventor – more precisely, he was the manager of Anglo- American Telegraph Company, “which was formed on 6 November 1856 to undertake and exploit a commercial telegraph cable across the Atlantic ocean, the first such telecommunications link”. Jasper’s grandfather, John Nevile Maskelyne, born in Cheltenham (where GCHQ’s headquarters is located), was a member of The Magic Circle, “a British organisation [founded in 1905], dedicated to promoting and advancing the art of magic”. Let’s stop for a moment here and see some disambiguations of this term:
i) “In games and digital media, the ‘magic circle’ is the space in which the normal rules and reality of the world are suspended and replaced by the artificial reality of a game world”.
ii) “The Magic Circle is an informal term for the four London headquartered law firms with the largest revenues, the most international work and which consistently outperform the rest of the London market on profitability.” There is also a Silver Circle, lower-income competitors of the Magic Circle, but there is supposedly no Golden Circle … and “it was also argued that by 2023 global law firms will rather be split between the Global Elite law firms, International Business law firms and Super Boutique law firms”. Interestingly, there is also the Bar’s Magic Circle, consisted of a few barristers chambers, one of them being the Blackstone Chambers (think of Blackstone/BlackRock investment company), “a leading set of barristers chambers in the Temple district of central London [City of London]. Established in the 1950s, it has 105 tenants, of whom 53 are Silks”, officially called Queen’s Counsels, Sir Francis Bacon (one of the premier British spooks) being the first one. The black stone seems to be a very old elite spook marker. Of course, there is also the offshore magic circle which is “the set of the largest multi-jurisdictional law firms who specialise in tax havens (especially the Caribbean triad of Bermuda-Cayman-BVI, and the Channel Islands duo of Jersey-Guernsey), and increasingly in modern corporate tax havens (especially Dublin, Singapore and Luxembourg)”.
The Oxford English Dictionary defines the term magic circle as 1. a small group of people privileged to receive confidential information or make important decisions, and 2. (in the UK) a society of conjurors. So basically, elite deceptionists… meaning they come from the elite and work for the benefit of the elite.
Anyway, the third magiCIAn on the slide is John Mulholland (cf. the Mulholland Drive in the elite parts of LA, connected to the Ventura Freeway, as in Jesse Ventura), a close friend of Harry Houdini (mentioned above). “He left his editorial position at The Sphinx [again a pun on Egypt] in 1953, officially due to health problems but actually to work for the CIA […] During the Cold War, Mulholland was paid by the CIA to write a manual on deception and misdirection. Copies of the document were believed to have been destroyed in 1973, however, copies later resurfaced and were published as ‘The Official CIA Manual of Trickery and Deception’.”
e) Slide number 21 features The Conjurer, a painting produced by Hieronymus Bosch (think of the famous Bosch electronics company) or his workshop. I found it on Wiki’s page on magic, where it says: “Notice how the man in the back row steals another man’s purse while applying misdirection by looking at the sky. The artist even misdirects the viewer from the thief by drawing the viewer to the magician.” Plus, (if you zoom in) note the magician’s and thief’s Jewish nose, the owl (symbol of wisdom = intelligence/Intelligence) in the magician’s bag, and the “magic circle” leaned against the table. On slide 22, there is a painting of what might be a pelican in water. In the left upper part of The Conjurer, there is a bird with a long beak – could it be a pelican? It reminds me of the pelicans featured on the Rosicrucian pendant. The pelican on the painting could symbolize the phoenix bird = Phoenicians/merchants, in this context.
So, I believe we can consider the circle, in such contexts, to be another spook marker (cf. the Golden Circle organisation from the Kingsman spook movie). With this slide, the spooks are basically saying they are robbing us in broad daylight while doing their magic/deception.
f) Slide number 33 features a photo of what seems to be the Arab Spring protest in Egypt with the writing “Do you love your brand?”. Since the Arab Spring was a product of Intel, this is an inside joke.
g) Slides 35, 36, and 37 feature photos of UFOs. Since all those slides in the article are about the ‘art of deception’, they are telling us that UFOs are some kind of an Intelligence fake. This article was published in 2014 by Greenwald, a British journalist, which means he beat the BBC by admitting this topic is a fake two years before they released the documentary HyperNormalisation, where they admitted the UFOs are a “sanctioned counterintelligence operation” created to fool people into thinking it is aliens in the sky instead of advanced human technology (which I don’t believe was reverse-engineered from alien crashed aircraft, as some say). More about this in Miles’s paper caes.pdf and its supporting research.
h) The last, 50th slide shows a photo of an American magician called Teller doing the one-eye sign (the Eye of Horus, again a pun on Egypt), next to whom it is written “Conjuring with information, Teller, 1998”. He is a Jew born as Raymond Joseph Teller, and Wiki says, although I can’t find it in the referenced sources, that he is an “atheist, debunker, skeptic, and a fellow of the Cato Institute [initially called Charles Koch Foundation, of the billionaire Koch brothers], an organization which is featured prominently in the duo’s Showtime series Bullshit!” Maybe the above quote is taken from a blurb that Teller supposedly wrote about the book Psychological Subtleties 1: “In this book you will find some of the most baffling ruses devised for conjuring with information. They are gems collected by a man I consider one of the subtlest thinkers in magic.” Again, GCHQ are telling us they have been mindfucking us with disinformation and other psy-op techniques.
When I saw the surname Teller, it reminded me of Edward Teller, the “father of the hydrogen bomb”, which is another deception, as Miles showed in his papers caes.pdf, trinity.pdf, and bikini.pdf.
i) Lastly, an excerpt from one of the two above-mentioned Greenwald’s articles. Just as a reminder: “Government plans to monitor and influence internet communications, and covertly infiltrate online communities in order to sow dissension and disseminate false information, have long been the source of speculation. Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, a close Obama adviser and the White House’s former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-‘independent’ advocates to ‘cognitively infiltrate’ online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups. Sunstein also proposed sending covert agents into ‘chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups’ which spread what he views as false and damaging ‘conspiracy theories’ about the government.”
We’ve seen this tactic being used against Miles for years, so there is no doubt about this being true.
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Bosch, is Dutch for Bush, also Boyce (English from the French Bois), Dubois (French), Bosco (Italian), Busch, Bösch, Bosch, Boesch (Low German), Bosque, Del Bosque (Spanish). Hieronymous = sacred name.
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“We’ve seen this tactic being used against Miles for years, so there is no doubt about this being true.”
It’s pretty much their MAIN tactic now, especially on social media. In a conversation yesterday with a friend about conspiracy theories (on Facebook), one of HIS friends jumped in to say he was related to one of the parents of the “victim” children from Sandy Hook. So I asked which child. He wouldn’t answer for over a day and scores of more comments and requests for him to identify the genealogy. How can he be related to the PARENT of that child and then not also to the child?
So he said the child’s name was Martin and that his surviving sister had a leg amputated as a result of HER wound. Only problem? There were no Martins on the official victims list, nor any little girl amputees. He was completely full of shit. But never admitted it, even after I outed the guy. His only real defensive response was to claim I was probably a tranny. Classic Langley.
They’re straight up everywhere now. One might think it was a fluke, just some douchebag trying to be all cool, but I don’t see it that way anymore. They’re not the exception, they are the rule now.
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It’s very strange how many forums / chats / image boards I’ve been on where anonymous folks claim to be directly related to victims of Sandy Hook. It’s almost like their go-to counterclaim, I imagine.
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It’s crazy because the person made no attempt at all to refute my evidence that there was nobody named Martin on the list. He only attacked my profile pic, a photo a friend dug up from the high school yearbook staff pics she took back in 1993. So yeah, I looked like a dork. But a dork and a tranny are very different things. It was just a pathetic rebuttal, and the absolute dodge I found incredible.
Just shameless stupidity, one might think? These types of things happen too often on these exact topics to be stupidity. Someone is paying people to say shit like that.
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” privilege 1.
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
“education is a right, not a privilege” ”
They like to dance around the true meaning = private law .
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What about the ancient white mummies found in China?
https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-White-Tribes-of-Ancient-China
Qizilchoqa sounds almost Azteclike, the disused place they were discovered, which is in North West China.
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The Loulan Mummy impression picture looks a wee bit like Courtney Cox! And they went to the same hatters as Gandalf!
The Atlantean Gardens wording says that Caucasoids were there FIRST, yet the paragraph thereunder states: ‘These people were from the Bronze age, they were Caucasian, and it is possible that they interacted with the indigenous people at that time. The local people probably taught them their traditions, and the Caucasians most likely introduced them to their way of life as well.’ How did they interact with the indigenous people at that time when they were the first there? At that time, they were the indigenous people.
‘History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.’ Napoleon Buonaparte
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Interesting piece on ‘Richplanet’ ( Land of the Image Makers ) regarding pre history and the role of trade in destroying the human connection to the land. Hope you don’t mind my mentioning it.
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@Andrea (collapse of the bridge in Genova, Italy)
You’re probably right, there are a lot of suspicious things related to this event. I made a quick research and I guess the reason for manufacturing it could be that one or more shareholders want to increase their share in Autostrade Italiane, or someone wants to enter the ownership, and the biggest shareholder does not want to cooperate. In any case, the target here seems to be the billionaire Benetton family (30%). One of the parties that could want to increase its stake for as cheap as possible would be Blackrock (5%). Namely, after the event, the company’s stock plummeted and within four days, while the investigation was still taking place, the Prime Minister decided to revoke a part of their concession. What?! It wouldn’t be the first time for Blackrock to manufacture something like that.
Another curiosity is that the youngest of the 4 Benetton siblings died of cancer exactly a month ago, after he had got sick only a few months ago. He may have faked his death and went to Argentina, where they own a lot of land, acting as the family’s hidden king.
Shareholders:
https://www.borsaitaliana.it/borsa/azioni/profilo-societa-dettaglio.html?isin=IT0003506190&lang=it
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That could be.
Alternatively, we recognize the name Benett(on), a family that was extensively mentioned by Miles. They are billionaires, have also big stakes in retail (in most big cities there is a Benetton store), mostly in best locations. Very likely, they could be involved in the scheme.
Let’s say the area underneath the bridge used to be full of rail tracks.
They have been removed. The houses, until recently very noisy, were likely empty, being bought up by an insider. Now the bridge is gone, the owner of the houses gets new houses somewhere else (that was told in the news), Swiss Re refunds the damage, Autostrade spa made huge gains, because they invested little in the past years ( they “milked” the company), now they lose the concession, in other words thay don’t pay for the new bridge, the tax payer does. Shares could have been hedge before the “accident”.
The government declared Genova in state of emergency, I guess that means laws are not followed for a year, while the bridge, the houses and the new real estate is being built. The rebuilding of the bridge should take 8 months. Apart from the numerology, that is quite quick for Italy. I guess the plans for the new development were already ready.
I did not research anything, all I am mentioning was in the news, mostly in the headlines. I am just connecting the dots.
We will see. As I said, I usually don’t waste time on fakes and focus on – for my taste- more interesting topics. Unfortunately you cannot avoid Genova: they put it in almost every news report!
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Yeah, the Bennetts and the Benettons are the same family. And if you search for Bennett+Blackstone and Bennett+Blackrock you get Bennett Goodman (Senior Managing Director of Blackstone, founder of GSO Capital), Bennett W. Golub (one of the 8 founders of Blackrock) and Pru Bennett (Managing Director at BlackRock and Head of BlackRock’s Investment Stewardship team for the Asia Pacific Region based in Hong Kong). It seems the Bennetts are one of the families who own the world through these two investment companies.
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The Benettons could hail from the ancient elites, once again.
The Phoenician name TBNT is found on the Tabnit & Eshmunazar sarcophagi. The T may well be a prefix, making that name T-BNT, with BNT meaning “to build” (found in Eshmunazar line 4).
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tabnit_sarcophagus&oldid=810397871
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eshmunazar_II_sarcophagus&oldid=860615991#Inscription
The Tabnit sarcophagus has both an Egyptian & Phoenician inscription. That’s explained as Phoenicians “reusing” the sarcophagus of an Egyptian general named Penptah, pꜣ-n-ptḥ.
However, Egyptian pꜣ-n-ptḥ directly translates into “he who builds”. Names with ptḥ were common, and Ptah was also the punny “god” of craftsmanship, as the name meant just that.
https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=pt%E1%B8%A5&oldid=49206591
What does it mean if the Phoenician text is about a man called “builder” and the Egyptian text is also about a man called “builder”? Was the sarcophagus really “reused”, or do we have a bilingual inscription, and the historians are too chicken to admit that the TBNT guy was globalized? The Benettons may have led us to another Fertile Crescent link here.
(Sadly I couldn’t find the Egyptian text. Somehow they only ever show the Phoenician one.)
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Hey Gerry,
I’ve been reading your papers and few things struck me:
I’m descended from the Bennett line on my mother’s side.
Your comment about BNT meaning “to build” and then your reference to coins featuring griffins made me think of this sculpture
of “Toby The Griffin” which is prominently displayed in downtown Tucson on Scott Avenue in front of the Scottish Rite
Cathedral:
It was placed there in 2009.
The funny thing is you can’t find any pictures of it with the cathedral in the background, except the one I posted above
which obscures the name of the building which is chiseled into the stone facade.
I also can’t find any web pages referencing the griffin’s location, other than stating it is on Scott Ave.
Why is this important?
Well, the Scottish Rites are Masonic, as I understand them, and the Masons were builders.
Also, the sculpture is very large and it lights up at night with red lights at its “heart” which leave shadows on the surrounding buildings.
It is terrifying if you happen upon it at night without knowing what it is.
(the temple itself is quite strange looking/spooky just by itself, but this new addition is positively strange. the story
goes that it was originally created for a local school to represent their mascot, but instead it was placed downtown when the
area was remodeled to promote the Temple of Music and Art, nearby.)
So they put this sculpture in front of a masonic temple but then scrub online photos that show the proximity.
The Phoenix (bird) is very similar to a Griffin (both have Eagle heads and feet and the Griffin often has wings) but the
Griffin has four legs, two of which (the rear two) are Lion legs.
In Miles’ article about Lawrence of Arabia, I think it was, he talks about the flags of several European nations containing
Eagles, specifically two-headed Eagles, which may actually be Phoenixes, which reminded me of the Albanian flag:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Albania
A google image search then led me to this picture and accompanying text:
“Masonic emblem of a double-headed eagle topped by a crown is used to represent the Degree – the highest degree achievable in
regular Freemasonry.”
Of course, they’re blackwashing it with the title “Illuminati” but the meaning is still there.
And there are many more double-headed eagles, many associated with Masonry.
Try a google image search for masonic+griffin+eagle+phoenix+scottish+rite+heraldic+emblems. It seems my comment gets denied as spam when I try to post google image searches.
I just thought you or somebody might like to pull on this thread and write a paper on the Masons/Scottish Rites, the
Bennetts/Scottish Crypto Families and Phoenixes/Eagles/Griffins.
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My observation was that the spooks often use “lexical” puns. With these punny symbols it doesn’t matter what the object looks like, it only thing that counts is how it was named in the original pun language.
One example: I recently found out why “Victoria” carries a palm frond. You may think it’s the TMR date palm pun again, but I think it isn’t. A frond is called KPH, the word root for curved things. More famous is the kippah, a cap that is curved over the head (“cap” may be derived). Modern Hebrew words are the one for spoon or palm of the hand.
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3712.htm
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3709.htm
https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%D7%9B%D7%A3&oldid=47728754
https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%94&oldid=44089980
Where’s the pun? In the ancient languages, they used the word for BENDING people to your will. The very same spelling for frond, KPH, means to SUBDUE. Adds a little twist to “Victoria”. Both puns use palm parts, but it’s the spelling that counts, not the object.
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3711.htm
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%A4%D7%94
What does this mean for Toby the Griffin? Even though it looks like an eagle, it may have nothing to do with the “nisroch” eagle pun or the “tamar” phoenix pun. My guess is that eagle + lion have a special meaning in the original pun language, just like bee + lion do in West-Semitic. But which language was it? Greek? Persian? Sumerian?
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I googled images of a Griffin and found this weird looking Egyptian one:

From:
http://rickriordan.com/2011/07/the-gods-of-copenhagen/
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Victoria’s crypto-yarmulke , she could carry in public while the gentile crowds don’t know what it means ?
https://www.haaretz.com/let-them-eat-bagels-queen-elizabeth-s-relationship-with-the-jews-remains-a-mystery-1.5167224
Could the lion/bird of prey symbol represent a merger of powers ?
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Dan I found several copies of this and another comment in spam. I did not reinstate it because I saw that at some point the comment was posted. I think what probably happened was that you posted the comment and for whatever reason it went into moderation. Not seeing the comment come up right away, you probably resubmitted it several times which went to spam. I do have some trigger words and a few other things that force comments into moderation. Also if it’s your first time posting. But what I’m finding is that I’m getting many, many comments going to moderation, and I have no idea why. So thanks for your patience.
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I apologize for the duplicates. Yes, I wasn’t seeing them and I thought they weren’t going through, so I reposted several times. Please delete them all. I believe the substantive comments have already been posted. I won’t make that mistake again.
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I have and no worries. Just wanted you to know there was no deliberate attempt to censor you. At least not on my end.
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Just to add the late answer, I think the griffin is a pun of Greek grupos for “hook-nosed” with kruphos for “concealed”, a variant of the better-known kryptos.
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@Ancient spooks
Arbella or Arabella was the flagship of the Winthrop Fleet on which Governor John Winthrop, other members of the Company, and Puritan emigrants transported themselves and the Charter of the Massachusetts Bay Company from England to Salem between April 8 and June 12, 1630, thereby giving legal birth to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. The ship was originally called Eagle, but her name was changed in honor of Lady Arabella Johnson, a member of Winthrop’s company, as was her husband Isaac. Lady Arabella was the daughter of Thomas Clinton, 3rd Earl of Lincoln.
Arbella reminds me of M-ARBELLA, a beautiful coastal city in Spain, a famous retreat for the wealthy (Piers Morgan made an episode about it). Right across is Gibraltar, a tax haven you don’t hear much about in the media. Here’s what it says on Marbella’s Wiki page: “Some historians believe that the first settlement on the present site of Marbella was founded by the Phoenicians in the 7th century BC, as they are known to have established several colonies on the coast of Málaga province. However, no remains have been found of any significant settlement, although some artefacts of Phoenician and later Carthaginian settlements have been unearthed in different parts of the municipality, as in the fields of Rio Real and Cerro Torrón.”
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Even more connections to our ancient culprits. Now that the cat’s out the bag, it seems we find these connections all over the place.
Arabella is a pretty name too. I had no idea that was the first crew to reach Salem, and still feel pretty silly about not making the Salem-JeruSALEM connection myself, previously.
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As we were talking of “company nations”: I found only one surviving Phoenician inscription where they wrote about corporations, and the word is GW (גו) — much like goy (GWY, גוי), nation. Not evidence for anything, since that word root just denotes any “body” of people, plus the human body, like the Latin root. Still interesting. It’s from Athens.
1. On the 4th day of the Marzeaḥ (?), in the 15th year of the people of Sidon, the community of the Sidonians resolved in assembly: — to crown
2. Shamaʿ-baʿal, son of Magon, who (has been) president of the corporation in charge of the temple and the building of the temple court,
3. with a golden crown of 20 drachmae sterling, because he built the court of the temple and did all
4. the service (?) he was charged with: — that the men who are our presidents in charge of the
5. temple write this (our) intention upon a golden stele, and set it up in the portico of the temple before men’s eyes — that the corporation be designated
6. as surety (of) it. For this stele let them bring 20 drachmae sterling of the money of the god the Baʿal of Sidon:
7. thereby the Sidonians shall know that the corporation knows how to requite the men who have done
8. service before the corporation.
1. בים 4 למרזח בשת 15 לעם צדן תם בד צדנים בנאספת לעטר
2. אית שמעבעל בן מגן אש נשא הגו על בת אלם ועל מבנת חצר בת אלם
3. עטרת חרץ בדרכנם 20 למחת כ בן אית חצר בת אלם ופעל אית כל
4. אש עלתי משרת אית רעת ז לכתב האדמם אש נשאם לן על בת
5. אלם עלת מצבת חרץ ויטנאי בערפת בת אלם ען אש לכנת גו
6. ערב עלת מצבת ז ישאן בכסף אלם בעלצדן דרכמנם 20 למחת
7. לכן ידע הצדנים כ ידע הגו לשלם חלפת אית אדמם א.ש פעל
8. משרת את פן גו
https://books.google.de/books?id=KwsIAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA94&q=%22president%20of%20the%20corporation%20in%20charge%20of%20the%20temple%22%20OR%20%22corporation%20knows%22%20OR%20%22corporation%20be%20designated%22%20OR%20%22before%20the%20corporation%22
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Gerry, good try! I really think that looking for companies could be helpful.
What strikes me as strange, historians don’t tell us what activities have been going on, for example, in Yucatan and the Mayas (this is just an example for not changing topics too often). When the spanish conquistadors arrived there, they were allegedly impressed by the gold, in quality and quantity. So logically, there had to be miners and goldsmiths. But not in the official story.
There is mention of trading and merchants, but we are left alone to guess what they would trade (fish, anyone?)
Researching other topics I saw that the capital of Sri Lanka is Columbo. Another dove.
Also a city in Brazil called Belem (Betlehem). In Lisboa a part of the city, the noble, jewish part, is also called Belem.
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Addendum: the city of Belem was the door to brasilian rubber. In Germany there was a company named Phoenix AG, now part of Conti AG, specialized in rubber. It was founded by Albert and Louis Cohen, a familiar family name…
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Since i always had heard about the terrible conditions the Jews were living in Prague, in ghettos and overcrowded, I was surprised to see that the Jewish part of the city was Prague 1. Its the finest of it all.
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Josh, have you digested all of Gerry’s 4-parter and formed an opinion?
I have a feeling there is a piece of the puzzle still missing, tho’ what it is, I don’t know.
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Yes, I have. Though mostly I have a lot of questions. I haven’t had time to write about it, but when I do I will!
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With me it’s the technology for the ship building , tools used to work the cedar .
Yes , it’s an amazing wood in it’s splitting ability , a sharp edge and enough force to push against it , and the grains are straight , Gerry * brought some comfort with the Brit . tin connection to make sturdier tools .
The Polynesians are said to spread across the Pacific in outrigger canoes , but they were not carrying great loads of merchandise .
* Is the name Gerry a pun , as Brits/US soldiers used a collective name for German soldiers ?
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http://irc.qclearancearchive.net/index.php?page=players
http://www.mediafire.com/?73a56gicud8sd
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Getting back to Gerry’s Ancient Spooks, there’s a bust of George Washington flanked by two winged figures (Genii?), Victory and Liberty:
https://www.aoc.gov/art/other-sculpture/fame-peace-crowning-george-washington
Similar scene here:


Victory on the right carries a PALM – symbol of victory: http://en.wikibedia.ru/wiki/Victory_palm
– and Liberty holds aloft a Roman Fasces (Mussolini’s Fascists also used this emblem). Here’s the complete thing:
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You found a very nice link there. Following it, I read this: http://en.wikibedia.ru/wiki/Nike_(mythology)
It becomes spookier by the day….
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They have cozy blankets on ? what ? , I think that’s Nemesis below George with sword and red white blue shield .
” …Nemesis is the Greek goddess of balance, justice, retribution, and vengeance. Her Roman counterpart is also called Nemesis for revenge does not change from Greek to Roman myths, as revenge is universal …”
Her sister is Justice , I don’t see any blind Goddesses , I do see ( sea ) Poseidon .
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I see the bloke at the top, with what looks like the Staff of Asclepius to hand? Making him Asclepius — a Greek god.
13 vestal virgins leaving for the coast?
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Mercury (top) = commerce, Minerva (left 8 o’clock) = science, Neptune (left 10 o’clock) = marine, Vulcan (right 2 o’clock) = mechanics, Ceres (4 o’clock) = agriculture, and Armored Freedom (aka Columbia) (6 o’clock) = war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apotheosis_of_Washington
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It is alleged to be a snapshot of the USA , post civil war 1866 , but depicting Washington as a God has a Roman Empire envy desperation reek to it , I’ve read that it is proof that the Empires do not end , they just change addresses . I can’t find that web page , they had the Jesuits/Roman Catholic hierarchy as the top of the conspiracy heap , wiki is falsely telling me that icon is ‘ Columbia ‘ or ‘ Freedom ‘ … Can I get some Nemesis fries with my Nemesis toast ?
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I see the goddess nike was used for the Titanic Memorial. Was it already mentioned? The Titanic sinking was a hoax, it never happened. You should know, because Leonardo played the main role….
So you see, insurance scams are not new, quite the contrary!
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Didn’t they switch the Titanic for its sister ship Olympia?
JP Morgan declined to go aboard at the last minute. Psychic? I don’t think so.
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That is the misdirection story. They pretend to have built a second ship in record time, they put a prominent passengers list together (Astor, at that time the richest man, was on board and “died”, his very young wife survived- they traveled to Europe with the Olimpic, but took the return trip on the Titanic).
JP Morgan was probabily recognized and had to invent a last minute meeting that hindered him to go abord.
Officialy the ship sunk, the insurance repaid the price, the Olimpic was refurbished (sounds familiar?).
Problem, is someone might have gone looking for the huge metal block in the deep sea. So a hollywood producer had to be first, developing the technology, going down alone, making the documentary and the movie, recovering everything, so you don’t even consider going down again to look for the rest.
They could not fake pictures very well, so the difference between the sisters is just black and white and two windows.
That is the very short summary.
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Wasn’t there a third ship called Britannic in addition?
The Olympic was built in 1911, Britannic in 1914, and Titanic 1912.
After colliding with HMS Hawke,’ it took two weeks for the damage to Olympic to be patched up sufficiently to allow her to return to Belfast for permanent repairs, which took just over six weeks to complete. To expedite repairs, Harland and Wolff was obliged to replace Olympic’s damaged propeller shaft with one from Titanic, delaying the latter’s completion’.
Herbert J Haddock was the Captain when it set sail again. (No mention of TinTin being aboard) ‘
When Olympic offered to take on the survivors, she was heatedly turned down by Rostron, who was concerned that it would cause panic amongst the survivors of the disaster to see a virtual mirror-image of Titanic appear and ask them to board.’ (From wiki)
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“When Olympic offered to take on the survivors, she was heatedly turned down by Rostron, who was concerned that it would cause panic amongst the survivors of the disaster to see a virtual mirror-image of Titanic appear and ask them to board.”
It happened at night, which would make the ship’s appearance largely indiscernible to the survivors! All ships are gray at night.
A film was made of the disaster 29 days after the sinking, starring a survivor, Dorothy Gibson, who played herself wearing the same clothes she wore that night:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saved_from_the_Titanic
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I am sure the Titanic would be worth a paper. There are so many stories attached! I mention just a couple that are not … intuitive.
The company, White Star, owning Olimpic, Titanic and Britannic was incorporated in Liverpool. So was the ship that rescued the passengers (I don’t recall the name out of memory).
The O. And the T. were insured for 1 mio. Each.
Every time one of the sister ship sank, the Olimpic was not far away, on the same route.
There are no pictures of the interior of the Titanic. They admit, but only if you look carefully, that all the pictures are from Olimpic.
The saloon still exists today, in a hotel, in uk.
So shortly after building the T. It sank.
Shortly after building the Britannic, it sank.
Only the O. Lasted for a very long time.
JPMorgan, basically the owner, was supposed to be aboard, but then had to go to Aix-les-Bains. This is a place in France, on a lake, very difficult to reach, even today, about 800 km from Southampton, UK. It looks like all the kings and famous families were in this small town, with a long history. Please check it out.
Across the lake, slightly north the house of Savoy has the family grave.
JPMorgan died less than a year later, in Rom, on the 31 of march. I guess the first of April would have been too obvious.
Also interesting, the rich families on board. Astor had a castle/mansion in the uk that today I think is a hotel with over a hundred rooms. He gave the name to the Waldorf Astoria in NY, and Astoria Queens.
One stewardess was on board on all three accidents (Olimpic, Titanic and Britannic). What a coincidence!
As I said, there is so much more….
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When I was younger I read a book about the Titanic, and it said Morgan was with his mistress, and didn’t appear to be ill as claimed, and Astor was stopped from boarding a lifeboat that was only 2 thirds full, so went off to release his dog!
Miles has mentioned the House of Savoy in his Mussolini paper.
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Growing up, I was also taught that there wasn’t enough lifeboats for all the passengers and crew on the Titanic, yet a boat 2/3rds full wouldn’t allow a RICH man aboard who accepted his fate without any redress or bribery? Didn’t one dude dress up like a lady to get on board a lifeboat?
Survivors didn’t mention the ‘Titanic’ broke in 2, it was only after it was discovered on the seabed. Worth a paper IMO too.
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“I was also taught that there wasn’t enough lifeboats for all the passengers and crew on the Titanic, yet a boat 2/3rds full wouldn’t allow a RICH man aboard who accepted his fate without any redress or bribery?”
Not likely.
In reply to Andrea’s earlier comment.
I don’t doubt Astor’s genealogy, but I do doubt the authenticity of the story that surrounds him.
As we’ve seen numerous times over, being part of the peerage doesn’t preclude someone from acting a part, it only ensures they’re offered the part to begin with. JFK was a prime example of this. Everything’s a script and to be a player you must come from a particular bloodline.
These people no doubt take their orders from from the hidden hand, and when they’re told to exit stage left, they do as their told.
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“I am sure the Titanic would be worth a paper.”
Nah, there’s not much for Miles to work on with this story. The Titanic story is water-tight…er…I mean unsinkable…um…you know what I mean. There are no leaks in this baby…oh for goodness sake. What I am trying to say is that Miles would have already written up an article on the Titanic if it had as many holes as you claim.
Dammit, someone’s just informed met that Miles has written a paper on the Titanic. I knew it was a fraud; didn’t I just say that. A fraud! 😉
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I’ve just read Miles’ Titanic pdf, and as always he cuts through the jungle of misdirection, lies and downright incredulity with a razor sharp machete.
How many times have they shown the multitude of movies made about the ship, i.e. Titanic, A Night to Remember, Raise The Titanic, et al, and no one ever questions why is the ship traveling into an ice-field in the first place? (‘Doh! The poor wretches live in one long melancholy night’ (to quote two Homers.))
TPTB have missed a trick and not mentioned that it’s the effects of global warming and how icebergs were much more prevalent on the route in those days.
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QED.
Of course this means that the appalling scenes of death and carnage did not happen. In an instant Miles has banished those traumatizing images from the narrative — it was just another international wheeze by the money-grubbing families, with some bonus social trauma propaganda thrown in.
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Nobody does it like Miles. I didn’t expect to get a gobsmacking epiphany about 9/11 in a paper on the Titanic, but then he lays out the insurance scam aspect of it. Not the usual thing we hear about Lucky Larry getting paid (double) for his insurance on the towers, but the idea that the owners of the insurance companies were in on the scheme. But once said, it seems so obvious and necessary. Surely an insurance company honestly investigating what happened and trying to avoid payout would have to have been able to see through the think smokescreen of lies. IIRC the insurance company commissioned some engineering firm to analyze the collapse and their investigation (separate from NIST’s) won some kind of engineering award. LOL. Instead of turtles on top of turtles, it’s rackets on top of rackets.
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Another thing that surprised me about the paper was the idea that they went so far as to stage a real ‘escape’ from the Titanic followed by a ‘rescue.’ Without having investigated the issue myself, I had just assumed at this point that the whole thing was fake. Assuming the ship existed not just on paper, they could have sunk it without the big production and then just written everything up as if there was some kind of rescue. I wonder if Miles considered that possibility and if so, why did he conclude that they staged a big production instead of faking it all the way.
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Josh…. I guess the ship must have been real and sunk due to a similar ship being found and photographed. Its just the deceit surrounding the whole affair that Miles has pieced together. Maybe the photo’s are of a similar ship but not THE Titanic? If witnesses and deaths were faked then this would be a possible option. Sink a ship in that region with similar physical attributes for future referencing.
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It could very well be the real Titanic down there. But even so, why stage an escape with lifeboats and then a rescue? Why not just make it up?
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Perhaps there was a minimal staged rescue for propaganda photographs; but mostly a transfer of personnel to the waiting support ships, i.e. those who set the charges to scuttle the ship.
Why actually sink one of the ships (presumably a stripped down hulk) if it is all a lie? Well, maybe they knew that one-day technology would be invented that could scour such depths. Of course, they could’ve kept the lie going and lamented the disappearance of the ship forever; but they you would lose all those money-making and propaganda schemes that just keep giving 😀
Interestingly enough, there was a short-story published a decade or so before the sinking that “predicted” the event; and a “survivor” drew a sketch of the ship splitting on the surface. I don’t know what to make of the drawing that describes the ship breaking up on the surface — it has to be propaganda of some sort but to what purpose? To prepare our minds for the rediscovery; maybe they had found the scuttled remains a decade before and needed to seed in a forged document to explaining the break-up?
On reflection, might not a ship broken into two parts be the result of explosives on board for deliberate scuttling rather that the ship just snapping in two on the surface?
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The Wiki description of the damage to the wreckage certainly sounds like they’re covering up some kind of damage from an explosion: “Both sections struck the sea bed at considerable speed [BTW they don’t know that–they just infer it from the surprising amount of damage], causing the bow to crumple and the stern to collapse entirely. The bow is by far the more intact section and still contains some surprisingly intact interiors. In contrast, the stern is completely wrecked; its decks have pancaked down on top of each other and much of the hull plating was torn off and lies scattered across the sea floor. The much greater level of damage to the stern is probably due to structural damage incurred during the sinking. Thus weakened, the remainder of the stern was flattened by the impact with the sea bed.”
Actually the cadence and vocabulary and overall bullshittery sounds a lot like [the “Harley Guy” crisis actor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3qa1PbBf-o) they interviewed on 9/11 who says he witnessed the explosion: “”the plane come out of nowhere and just rammed right into the side of the twin tower, exploding through the other side, then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first then the second, mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense.”
Here we get “the stern is wrecked mostly due to structural damage because the sinking was just too intense.” Yeah, or maybe it was due to explosives…
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“In contrast, the stern is completely wrecked”.
The artists impressions I’ve seen show the ship sinking stern first, so maybe this end hit the sea floor with the mass of the ship behind it causing the huge damage?
It was a very expensive ship so scuttling it I can’t believe. These deceptive types think we are all blind and stupid so will do whatever they can to get an insurance pay out for a ship that still exists. That to me is how they would work it. Lots of insurance scams around using the same tactics. How to cut your losses.
The 9-11 buildings by contrast were due for demolition anyway.
Miles mentioned the unsinkable qualities of the Titanic being suspicious.
The Twin Towers were also supposed to have indestructible qualities too.
The Titanic was ice-berg proof.
The towers were crashing airliner proof.
They really do think we are very stupid and will believe anything we are told!
The ship disappears hundreds of miles out to sea. Really?
But what if, instead of being in the N Atlantic, it changed course when away from shipping lanes (witnesses) and headed south round either Cape Horn or ‘Good Hope to be cosmetically altered so as to be unrecognisable in say, India or Saudi Arabia or even China?
If it lost a single chimney I bet nobody would recognise it. Only 3 chimneys? Nah! Can’t be the Titanic, anyway that hit an ice berg and sank….don’t you read the papers?
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Don’t forget there were 3 versions of the ship, i.e. plenty to scuttle 😀
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I don’t think John Astor was who we were told he was. Most likely he was just an actor playing a part for the controllers at that time.
Some interesting researcher has cropped up recently suggesting there may have been some type of cataclysm or a series of cataclysms that occured sometime between the late 1600’s and early 1800’s, and that this wiped out large portion of the exisiting civilization. They point to as evidence the fact that every old structure built within the time frame I mention above is buried in the ground a good 10 to 25 feet, and this is all over the world. So far evidence of this can be found all of Russia, Europe, Canada, North America, The middle East, India, Asia, Africa, Austrailia etc. It’s being referred to as the “mudd flood.”
Apparently around the turn of the 20th century there still existed a bunch of these abandoned “mud flood” structures and mansions in various places around what is now the U.S.
In an attempt to explain away these magnificant structures from a foregone civilization, with their out-of-place architectural style and andavnced technology, the controllers invented the ” robber barons” of the” Gilded Age”, who we’re told built these extravagant mansions, only to have them torn down all within a span of about 20 years. These so called “robber barons” like Astor, Vanderbuilt, Carnegie, Clark, etc were most likely not magnets of industry but rather actors, hand picked or appointed to play their parts so they could be inserted into the cover story.
The fake death of Astor aboard the Titanic was probably used as a way to remove him from his acting role, which I imagine was costing the controllers a ton of money to maintain.
Here’s 3 quick videos to show you what this mud flood evidence looks like. The last video talks about about the baron robbers and their whole nonsensical story.
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Interesting stuff. We have far too much contradictory evidence however to the statement, “and that this wiped out large portion of the exisiting civilization.”
This seems more like seasonal effects and flooding which still occur to this day than a worldwide cataclysm. I’ll have to (ahem) dig more.
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Dig away!
Judging by the evidence I’ve seen, it doesn’t appear this type of thing was caused by localized run- of -the-mill bad weather, the size and scope doesn’t support that. Rather, it seems more reasonable to suggest that one big event or possibly a series of big events took place
As it is, you can find in many places around the world old structure from a certain time period partially or fully buried anywhere from 8 to 30 feet in the ground. And, as far as I know, there’s never been any official explaination for why this is
Many people, including myself, are beginning to believe that cataclysmic type events may occur with far more frequency than we’ve been lead to believe, possibly every few hundred years instead of the many thousands they’ve told us.
Perhaps ciclical changes in Earths geomagnetic field are responsible for periodic upheaval.
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I left this page to open Google and this is what I see…
Evidence Shows Earth’s Magnetic Field Once Flipped Quickly
https://gizmodo.com/evidence-shows-earths-magnetic-field-once-flipped-quick-1828587138
Could they be trying tell us something? 😉
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THEY tell us that a magnetic field flip wouldn’t even be noticed and would be totally benign.
Well, it would cause huge upheaval in flowing electric charge in the Earth’s mantle for starters. Magnetic field and electrical field are two sides of the same coin. Whatever happens to the magnetic field, changes in the electric field will also occur. Locally it would only show small differences but over great distances the overall changes would be significant. A strong solar flare can be detected as a speeding up of the solar wind – around double – and a gain in positively charged particles from maybe 3/cm³ up to around 20/cm³. This can cause mobile phones and laptops to crash, interference with VHF radio and sometimes, if strong enough, computer crashes linked to the mains power supply. But a massive solar flare like the Carrington Event >> https://www.history.com/news/a-perfect-solar-superstorm-the-1859-carrington-event << can cause huge electric current to flow through low resistance electrical circuits, enough to melt electric substations, completely destroying them. Also that particular event caused fires in electrical telephony equipment.
If a sudden increase in the solar wind can do this then……..
The Sun's magnetic field flips regularly and doesn't seem to affect us, so something else maybe? How about a pulse caused by a gigantic solar flare covering much of the solar surface. It's called a "Nova". It is a common feature of variable stars like our Sun.
Mass extinction event? Earth magnetic field flip? Sudden onset of the next ice age?
NASA seem to be spending a lot of money and effort in placing satellites to monitor the Sun. Do they fear something?
So the media tell us that these events are extremely rare, that we shouldn't worry, that we have safeguards in place to cope these days. In the next breath the media tell us that another event like this could damage everyone's car electrical systems even though your car is effectively a Faraday Cage and will protect its own electrics (it will even protect it's occupants from lightning strikes), and everyone's hard drives will be wiped clean etc, etc.
Anecdotal evidence of ancient cataclysm abounds and many geologists believe that whatever causes sudden cold (mini ice ages), or floods or earthquakes or volcanism, on a large scale, are all triggered by the same planet wide event. Lots of theories in the past have focussed on meteorites and comets due to the scars of past impacts being observed. But the true cause may be much closer to home. Does something happen to the Sun? It is a variable star after all. Changes to the Sun's magnetic field affect our atmosphere and ionosphere causing the jet-stream to meander. Something changes the planetary climate dramatically enough to bring on an ice age. Massive cooling for an extended period, then very rapid warming. This rapid warming as the ice age ends causes a large up-tick in volcanism. Charts and graphs show a great increase in very powerful eruptions as the planet warms. Much of this could be caused by tilting of tectonic plates as the ice melts and floods back to fill the oceans again. Loads of evidence that these events took place, we just need to focus on the real causes. It is now believed that ice ages begin much more quickly than previously thought but evidence for magnetic flips being a major causal effect is relatively arbitrary at present; we need much more research. It is my belief that we are running out of time……
Food for thought……
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Apologies….wrong thread….totally off topic…..sorry!
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It’s called the charge field, how many times do we have to tell you that? Miles has already provided for us a perfectly succinct and logical mechanism for the polar shifts of the fields. Maybe you should look into this, and no, it does not indicate a cataclysmic event. It just indicates a shift in the local amounts of photons vs antiphotons. It’s our local ambient field that is changing.
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“It’s called the charge field, how many times do we have to tell you that?”
Ouch! What a low punch!
You can’t blame the charge field for absolutely everything, powerful as the theory is.
Miles has already said that galactic, lunar and planetary alignments can probably trigger an ice age but charge alone can’t have enough influence by itself to drop world temperatures by such a huge amount and so quickly. It may well be the increase or decrease in charge that causes a change in overall solar activity. But don’t forget the effect that the Sun’s charge output is supposed to have on the Earth in the first place.
I’m trying to understand exactly what happens to the Sun to trigger an ice age.
I’ve already read Miles’ explanation a few times but the Sun is the main driver of our climate, and it has only been closely monitored and studied for what….150 years, with the Chinese monitoring sun-spots for over 1,000?
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/evidence-abnormal-solar-activity-7000-years-ago/
As they said, what caused this rapid change is unknown but it certainly occurred.
Are planetary alignments enough to trigger such a huge response from the Sun?
There are a few big planetary alignments about to happen during this next grand solar minimum. I’ll be watching very closely.
We can knock the EU people all we like but some of their info is true. Birkeland Currents for instance >> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141006133422.htm <> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._Bumble_and_the_Stingers <<.
Palmer, Hall and Johnson all had plenty of success in their own right, so probably well connected?
"Birds do it, bees do it
Even educated fleas do it"
So is that how THEY refer to us? As fleas?
Wasn't it Prince Philip who called humans an infestation of the planet?
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Sir, please read this 100 times: http://milesmathis.com/pole.pdf
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And more importantly, this: http://milesmathis.com/core.pdf
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I do need to go re-read llots of Miles’ work.
Not now though. I’m tired, half sloshed and had a long day.
I would still like to know how his charge field creates magnetic(?) torussusses around objects though. They are real, can be seen, can be artificially produced and are magnetic in nature. I’m so tired…if you said that the sky was falling I would probably look up…..!
Thanks for the nudge Russell….
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To reply to your question about toroidal geometry, I send you to a quote from Miles paper:
“A lot of current theories use
spirals and tori, and these structures do have similarities to my stacked spins. But spirals don’t work
when it comes time to build equations and match them to data. The spiral simply doesn’t have enough
complexity or degrees of freedom to explain data. Which is why these authors get into trouble so fast
in this paper. They try to force complex data from motions that are too simple. They try to make up
for this by using fancy shapes and words like toroidal, but in that sense these new theories are too much
like string theory. They are heavy on lingo and esoterica, and short on mechanics.”- Miles’ paper on the torus (http://milesmathis.com/torus.pdf)
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Thanks for that Russell. I really must set out to read loads of Miles’ papers again. I’d completely forgotten that he wrote that one.
I have to comment carefully until I read the paper again but toroids are real, can be produced and are an intrinsic part of a magnetic field in a plasma. So Miles is probably pointing out that the term is used rather arbitrarily by the mainstream instead of being used in a highly specific fashion.
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yeah , compare the statue to Leo’s pose in the film , I’d say Leo is slightly more pretty .
https://www.dreamstime.com/memorial-to-engineering-officers-rms-titanic-southam-southampton-uk-th-may-memorial-to-engineering-officers-image100045071
Also I’m sure it was meant to be the smokestacks of riverboat , but that really looks like the smoking twin towers ( between Mercury and Poseidon ) .
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Jack33, you are misdirecting. I don’t like that.
Astor is not an actor, the Astor family is very well connected (to the Livingstones, the Roosevelts, etc. – all the families Miles outed) and thus very interesting.
Start here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_Astor_IV
Astor IV was born in Rheinbeck, NY. Very small town, always been very small.
Chelsea Clinton merried there, though. Ask yourself why.
So worth a look, like everything they mention in wiki under Astor.
Then you can look at this
https://www.hevercastle.co.uk/visit/
And this
https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/people-events/article/2098474/inside-villa-astor-vacation-home-richest-family-world
And don’t miss this
https://www.clivedenhouse.co.uk/the-house/
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Agree with Andrea. These robber barons were real and were ruthlessly individual as much as they also must have been working according to some protocols. The manner of ruling these people are with minimal interference, their protocols are probably set ages ago.
They are of course also in need of coordination, otherwise there would have been very much civil war symptoms, and visible signs of destructive competition.
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Musical Interlude: Rupert’s People – Reflections of Charles Brown:
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Not bad but that really sounds like Whiter Shade of Pale
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My coz George has the Rupert’s People retrospective CD and the accompanying booklet states that the song was written around the same time, but the Harem released their variation of ‘Air on A Gstring’ first. Track 4 ‘Hold On’ is worth listening to also.
The band where in Lebanon in 68 touring, returned to England after parting with their manager and appointed a lightshow engineer called Miles Copeland (yes, Stewart of the Police’s bruv – it’s a small world) who they met in Lebanon! they changed their name to Stonefeather and Stewart was in after Miles sacked the drummer. Band split up soon afterwards.
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They sound like early Teenage Fanclub/Neil Young
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ESA launched a British built satellite on Thursday: “Aeolus is designed to deliver up-to-date maps of global wind speed, which would significantly deepen the understanding of atmospheric circulation and improve weather forecasts. Currently wind information is gathered from weather balloons and tracking the ascent and descent of airplanes. Neither of these methods can provide the type of global image possible from satellite-based technologies.” (Financial Times, 22. August 2018)
The satellite will house a laser system called Aladin, it will provide profiles of wind speeds up to an altitude of 30 km. Aeolus will be 320 km above earth surface to provide the first global pattern of wind behavior.
Aren’t we doing this already?! The project lasted 16 years, because of big technical difficulties? It is the first satellite with such an instrument?
This is weird….
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“Aren’t we doing this already?”
Simple answer YES!
Infra-red, ultraviolet, radar topography, and all manner of other monitoring.
They need something better up there because weather forecasting at present is garbage!
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Yes, but read carefully: “from weather balloons…”
ESA used a rocket of modern design that carries about 1.5 tons of cargo in low orbit. The rocket weights about 130 tons, so the ratio cargo-to-rocket is about 1.5%.
That is all modern technology can do.
Keep that ratio in mind when you read about SpaceX or the space station, ISS.
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Hmmmm! I’m reluctant to go near the weather balloon explanation as it smacks of flat-earth lunacy. I don’t think that relativity plays a part in GPS. I don’t think the ISS or Hubble are exactly as described. I had my own reflecting telescope built buy a fellow astronomer, he even made the mirror from scratch, so I understand telescope optics. The Hubble image correction should have required a few lenses placed at the focal point. What did we see? A major refit using something the size of a telephone booth. Could be a space based weapon, laser maybe or powerful radar device. You could certainly induce death by focussing a powerful microwave beam at an individual with extreme accuracy from space with no apparent cause of death. Autopsy would probably show brain embolism or cardiac infarction. You can visibly see satellites even with the naked eye and there’s something up there with the shape of the ISS. Maybe it’s all fake but isn’t that what all the flat-earth propaganda is for? Even Musk said that it must be real cos it looks so fake did he not? So what are we to think?
Having said all that, there is a heap of satellite data available and photo’s from space which are impossible from a balloon, so some of the space-tech must be real.
Musk’s car should have melted tyres, blistered paint and a dashboard in flames, so I’m really not convinced that his car is really up there. I have seen the fake ISS video anomaly video’s and they are very convincing but surely these are counter productive to any future endeavours?
We have to explain how we get satellite data including photo’s from the Sun’s poles.
The bright specks we see zooming across the sky at night must be above the atmosphere or they would burn up, but also have to be large enough to see with binoculars. There’s always a possibility that satellite TV is simply bounced off the ionosphere but if that is true, then reliability and quality would be dire.
Damn….wrong thread again……
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They could do a LOT better if they just admitted to and used the charge field. Spaceplanes would be legit. I’ve run a hundred or more different simulations with them, and the efficiency is all in the “gravity turn” not being an actual turn anymore. Rocketry can only be so efficient, since they have to turn sideways anyway. A lot of the delta-v is lost in that turn.
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I have a rule: if someone tries to misdirect you, right after you state a fact, it is a sign of being on the right track!
Jack33 tried to divert after I mentioned the family name Astor. I researched it a long time ago, so I went back to it. There is indeed much more.
Earlier I did not get the connection Waldorf with Astoria.
The Waldorf name comes from the town Walldorf in Germany, close to Heidelberg, where Johann Jakob Astor was born in 1763. Here his story https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_Astor
Walldorf is still a small place today and there is nothing there, exept… SAP, the biggest german software company and Oracle competitor!
I always found it a strange choice for a headquarter. I guess I will look into it.
But back to Astor, the family goes back a long way, from the us, to germany, to Italy. Here a good overview
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_family
In Italy they were waldensians. The Waldensians were probably doing hoaxes salem-style. That is my impression reading the official story:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians
I found quite a lot of interesting data in a short time, so it was definetly worth looking again into it!! I encourage you to follow the links!
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Yes, the Astors are definitely mixed up in all of this. I touched on them in part 1 of my expose of Smedley Butler. Of note: “the Astors emigrated from Walldorf, Germany, which is nestled between Unteröwischeim and Kallstadt, both of which came up in Miles’s paper on Hitler.”
While I doubt JJ Astor was an actor per se, I am open to the possibility that the Astors were fronting for higher/wealthier powers. But they certainly seemed to live a life of great luxury all the same.
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Astoria
“The area was renamed for John Jacob Astor, then the wealthiest man in America”
Source Wiki
Say no more, nudge nudge, wink wink! (Monty Python)
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Waldorf Astoria is the name in USA of what we call the Steiner schools here. After Rudolf Steiner. Shortened to Waldorf Schools.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_education
Here Steiner schools are often used by the libertine middle/upper class, as it provides a more arty and intellectual climate. Unfortunately these schools are also known to produce navel centric nutcases.
What is usually forgotten about Steiner is that he started out as a part of the Theosophical project. That while pretending to care about all sorts of spirituality, and even rituals (as they have ceremonies like the maypole) its firmly rooted in imperial Christianity morality and in Steiners thinking which were pointing out a secular approach to spirituality – which is insufficient means while looking intellectually challenging and superior. That’s spook agent work.
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After reading Gerry’s fascinating articles,
I’ve gathered some resources here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?73a56gicud8sd
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/73a56gicud8sd/Documents
And for those who process information visually; a gallery of related images:
http://www.mediafire.com/?hnvyyvdzje568
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/hnvyyvdzje568/images
I’m not sure which linking format is correct so I’ll include them both…
I’m still trying to process all the information, so it is currently a jumble of ideas, but it may be useful to some of you.
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Beware of the belief of matching Jesus, Horus, Krishna etc.
And you don’t have to be religious. If we follow the texts, the comparison does not hold.
https://philosophieduchristianisme.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/jesus-une-copie-du-dieu-horus/
https://www.gotquestions.org/Francais/jesus-mythe.html
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>Beware of the belief of matching Jesus, Horus, Krishna etc.
I guess I should clarify that I don’t necessarily endorse any of the ideas that may appear on the mediafire resource collection, here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?73a56gicud8sd
or in articles that I link to.
I agree that the Khazarian Mafia article looks like a heap of misdirection, (they refer to David Icke as “courageous!”) but I found it interesting because it is promoting very similar ideas to those found in Gerry’s article, with the exception that “the Khazars” are known misdirection and the authors don’t extend their ideas to the concept that Russia and other nations may be complicit and compromised as well as the West.
The constant “they eat babies!” refrain is also annoying, but it seems that there are ratlines for organ harvesting, and probably child prostitution, so this could be misdirection or maybe there are people who believe that young blood transfusions can extend their lives.
This concept was popularized recently in an episode of the TV show “Silicon Valley” when the Hooli (read: Google) CEO Gavin Belson paid a young man to get hooked up to a machine several times a week that would allow them to share each other’s blood, ostensibly for the purpose of increased youthfulness and longevity. The humorous catch was that the young man was smoking a lot of cannabis in direct violation of his legal agreement with Belson, which made the CEO get the munchies and gain weight or something, I can’t actually remember.
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Some really good stuff in there though, Jake. Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks, Jared!
I think the most interesting item among them has to be:
Needlework as Art
http://www.mediafire.com/file/bbcm2qyfy1hvfy0/127267301-Needlework-as-Art-Lady-M-Alford-1886.pdf/file
It is a history of textile manufacture using classical sources.
I will keep adding things as I encounter them.
I just came across this article from 2015:
“The history of the Khazarians, specifically the Khazarian Mafia (KM), the World’s largest Organized Crime Syndicate that the Khazarian oligarchy morphed into by their deployment of Babylonian Money-Magick, has been nearly completely excised from the history books.”
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/08/the-hidden-history-of-the-incredibly-evil-khazarian-mafia/
“The curtain is now being pulled back to fully expose the Khazarian Mafia and it’s evil plan to infiltrate, tyrannize the whole World and eradicate all Abrahamic Religions and allow only their Babylonian Talmudism also known as Luciferianism, Satanism or ancient Baal worship.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20150310154912/https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/08/the-hidden-history-of-the-incredibly-evil-khazarian-mafia/
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Three years later, and the “reverberations” have been silent though? If this Khazarian Mafia stuff is true, and not just further misdirection, it seems like it would have gained at least some of the traction the author(s) claim:
“And the shock-waves from his historic speech in Damascus continue to reverberate around the world even to this very day. And now Gordon Duff has asked President Putin to release Russian Intel which will expose about 300 traitors in Congress for their serious serial felonies and statutory espionage on behalf of the Khazarian Mafia (KM) against America and many Middle East nations.”
There were no “shock waves”, much less around the world.
So what did Putin do? Not that, for certain. The Russians are owned by the same bankster families as the US or Israel, so it looks like this topic is yet another Limited Hangout? A dash of truth to pique interest, followed by misdirection and confusion?
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According to wikipedia Magnus is a latinization of Månsson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Magnus
Also the Morrises claim to be related to Queen Christina of Sweden:
http://www.themorrisclan.net/GENEALOGY/MAGOG.html
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We find MUCH older references to my namesake going way back to Greece, though:
“From Prometheus and Pronoia sprang Deucalion and Pyrrha, the only survivors of the deluge, who had a son Hellen (frag. 1), the reputed ancestor of the whole Hellenic race. From the daughters of Deucalion sprang Magnes and Macedon, ancestors of the Magnesians and Macedonians, who are thus represented as cousins to the true Hellenic stock.”
https://homer.thefreelibrary.com/Collection-Of-Hesiod-Homer-and-Homerica/3-1#Magnes
Which is something I didn’t know. I don’t know how accurate that stuff is, though. But Magnes also came from magnetite and then magnetism itself, before it was co-opted by the Jewish folk centuries later. I’m sure to have some Jewish ancestry but have no Jewish relatives, just some Mormons in my family. Which is bad enough.
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Charlemagne = Charles Månsson
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lineage was passed through the father’s side in First Century Judaism (and prior). The idea of tracing Jewishness through the mother’s side developed much later, indicating they are not the same people as the ones claiming to be Jews presently.
if you only look at those people currently occupying the promised land, they are not the Jews that were forced to leave the land in 70AD.
A very strong case can be made that in 70AD (the destruction by the Romans) mainly the densely populated areas were affected and leveled to the ground and the little farmer with a small piece of land just continued doing what they were doing. Where could they go? And they still had their small piece of land that was in their possession for generations since the time of Joshua, which they weren’t prepared to give up.
The “city people” had nothing. Many of them were slaughtered and the remainder left. Either to Africa or to the north and got assimilated.
Several hundreds of years later the Muslims invaded the country. The small Jewish farmers still in the land were presented with a dilemma. Either pay taxes on your land (as infidels do) or convert to Islam and don’t pay taxes. Guess what they did once they realized they weren’t able to pay the taxes and in danger of losing their family possessions? Yep, they became Muslim and continued to live in the land until present day.
The Jews left as sons of Shem, but they returned as sons of Japeth, as mentioned in the OT. These Jews are not S(h)emites, they are gentiles.
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Geni has a page on Japeth:
https://www.geni.com/people/Japheth/6000000000793997563
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A son of Japeth is called Gomer. Gomer had a son called Ashkenaz. The Jews call themselves Ashkenazi.
Funny they would have his page at Geni.
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Genesis 9:27
May God extend Japheth’s territory; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”
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Yay! I’m a slave….so what’s new?
Only joking!
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Recent history records the descendants of Gomer migrated and settled in the region that is now northern Europe (Germany and Scandinavia). These tribes became the Goths, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Teutons and Burgundians, descendants of some of the first peoples to migrate to northern Europe from ancient times—the Askaeni. The Askaeni were descendants of Ashkenaz, son of Gomer, son of Japheth. When the Askaeni arrived in northern Europe, they named the land Ascania after themselves, which later translated Scandia, then Scandinavia. Later in history, we find the Askaeni being referred to as Sakasenoi, which became Sachsen, and finally Saxon. The Saxons played an large part in European and English history. Ashkenaz has been one of the most well preserved names throughout European history.
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There you go. That’s a pretty interesting trail, thanks for looking all that up! I often wondered how the Ashkenazi Jews couldn’t make the connections themselves.
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I think this can be debated, Saxons can have their name from saks that is a shortword.
From the wiki page i saw the Ashkenazi name to be translated as meaning Germany.
I would rather think that Ashkenazi is proto indoeuropean meaning Ash Kenaz = The Ash Knowers. This makes sense to the saga people who used trees allegorically a lot. The Ash or Ask is the tree of life. Making it a prominent name.
Scandinavia derives from Skandza, meaning barrier, which is referring to it being surrounded by water.
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Ask and Embla in Norse mythology were the first two humans created by the gods from trees.
Scania is part of southern Sweden, & its etymology may interest those concerned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scania#Etymology
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For Neil Young and his newish bride:
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Neil Young is a bandwagon jumper and sings like his most important man-bits are tangled in razor wire. I bought one of his albums once….there you go….that’s how brave I am admitting that!
Neil – I will say whatever you want depending how big the cheque is – Young…
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Which album was it? Harvest?
I must admit I didn’t like his hip-hop/disco/jazz-metal/reggae albums either, but After The Gold Rush, Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, and his Buffalo Springfield work still sound good to my ears. Keep on rockin’ in the free world.
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Album was Freedom. It was a live acoustic set. Great guitar sound and he sang like he meant it….with passion.
Young has to be a spook, just by association!
Wasn’t it Young who was going round with an Inuit bloke, trying to get people to believe that due to Global Warming, the Sun in the Arctic was starting to rise in a different place on the horizon year on year? The Inuit bloke had probably had a brain aneurysm from eating too much whale blubber but Young seemed to believe him…so what’s his excuse?
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I bought ‘Freedom’ for the “Rockin’ in The Free World” song, but like a lot of Neil Percival Young’s albums, there’s some great songs, average songs and a host of filler songs.
Neil’s great grandfather was born in Tavistock, Ontario. It says Travistock at the link, but I can only find Tavistock in Ontario, Canada (strange? deliberate? take a guess):
https://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=young24&id=I82
Is he related to the Youngs of AC/DC? It wouldn’t surprise me if he was, and Elliott Gould and the Herberts. His mother’s side has Wrights and Drews.
There’s the Neil’s song ‘Ohio’ about the fake Kent State massacre:
Click to access kent.pdf
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Percival? Wow.
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Only two words…OH NO…!
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A question on The Chase, which Company had a black Eagle as an Emblem:
https://www.archive.barclays.com/items/show/646
Or is it a Phoenix? Complete with red Claws
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BarClays makes me think of these
>> http://www.makeyourowngoldbars.com/molds <<
Banking appropriation by methods many…..creating fake gold value?
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The Smirnoff Vodka label contains a two headed eagle
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Some European soccer teams also have a double-headed eagle team badge, like AEK Athens representing the club’s historical ties to Constantinople.
http://switchimageproject.blogspot.com/2014/01/aek-athens-crest.html
The double-headed eagle is featured in the flag of the Greek Orthodox Church, whose headquarters are in Constantinople, and served as Imperial emblem under the Palaiologos dynasty, which was the last one to rule the Byzantine Empire. Founded by the 11th-century general Nikephoros Palaiologos and his son George, the family rose to the highest aristocratic circles through its marriage into the Doukas and KOMNENOS (see Miles’ phillip.pdf) dynasties.:
Also, Wimbledon FC badge:

Old Airdrie Utd badge:
http://acrossthekitchentable.blogspot.com/2010/05/just-another-saturday.html)
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http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/double-headed-eagle.html
“The aim of
the alchemists,” wrote Joseph Campbell, “was to achieve not a
terminal perfection but a process ever continuing, of which their ‘stone’,
the *lapis philosophorum*, should become at once the model and the
catalyst: a process whereby and wherein all pairs of opposites – eternity and
time, heaven and hell, male and female, youth and age – should be brought
together by something ‘midway between perfected and unperfected bodies.’
Campbell, Joseph. *The Mythic Image*. Princeton University Press, 1974.
The double headed-eagle, as the ensign of the Alchemical Rebus or Stone of the Philosophers, symbolizes this process, the magnum opus or Great Work of spiritual regeneration. Through its unification of opposites and association with alchemical Fire, the path of regeneration and ascent up the Tree of Life is indicated.
This reminds me of the eagle-headed priests with the purses and pinecones that are facing the Tree of Life.
Quote from the home page of the Southern Jurisdiction
“As stated in Coil’s Masonic Encyclopedia and concurred in by Mackey’s
Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, the double-headed eagle symbol first appeared
about 3,000 B.C. in the brickwork of Lagash, a city in Sumer in southern
Babylonia, between the Tigres and Euphrates Rivers and near the modern city
of Shatra in Iraq. Lagash was an ancient center of art, literature,
military, and political power.
Subsequently, the symbol was used by many tribal and national groups, and in
102 B.C., Marius, the Roman Consul, decreed it as the symbol of imperial
Rome. Later, the Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire used the double-headed
eagle to symbolize the universality and unity of the empire. Charlemagne,
for instance, as reported in an article from the New Age (Scottish Rite
Journal) of February 1907, employed the double-headed eagle as early as 802
A.D. The Holy Roman Empire, generally, had the double-headed eagle on its
seals by 1414 A.D. According to Dr. Albert Merz, 33°, in an article from the
New Age (Scottish Rite Journal) of March 1959, the double-headed eagle
symbolized the amalgamation of the Holy Roman Empire’s western and eastern
realms. Illustrious Brother Merz asserts the double-headed eagle was first
introduced to Freemasonry in 1758 by a “Council of Emperors of the East and
West which met in Paris.” Apparently the eagle symbolized double
jurisdictions. Thus the eagle’s heads face two opposite directions. We under
the auspices of The Supreme Council, 33°, of the Southern Jurisdiction came
under the double-headed eagle in 1801. “
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Bigot : The word came into use as an insult against the Normans according to https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=bigot
Have UK ever had any relief from the socalled Norman oppression? Or the bigotry?
Reputedly from Norway, they got their names this way. But we know from grave inscriptions that Scandinavians were often hired soldiers for Miklagard (Constantinopel) or Greek armies. Also it is remarkable that archeology in southern Norway in the years 600-900 AD is called the Merovingian period. Everything points that the name Norman was something the Levant rulers hid behind.
The allegedly Father of the Normans, Gange Rolv (Rollo) was the son of Ragnvald Mørejarl who was the best friend of Harald Hårfagre, this king who gathered Norway into a single Kingdom. (Thats what historians call this hostile takeover by the Bysants proxy armies) His name Hårfagre seems to be nothing but a translation of Fairfax. (York nobility, still working in press, owning lots of Australian media.)
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norm (n.)
“standard, pattern, model,” 1821, from French norme, from Latin norma “carpenter’s square, rule, pattern,” which is of unknown origin. Klein suggests a borrowing ( me : suggest LOL ) (via Etruscan) of Greek gnomon “carpenter’s square.” The Latin form of the word, norma, was used in English in the sense of “carpenter’s square” from 1670s.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-ancient-stele-used-a-gnomon-gnomon-is-the-part-of-a-sundial-that-casts-136355087.html
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Finally finished with part 4. And i have to congrat Gerry with a complete Book. And its important, as it shows our “western” cultures true heritage, instead of this simple focus on the Greek.
Asking for comments and contributions, i have to recommend the Oera Linda material. Its written material from early days of Europe, stored in Friesland and opened and published in 19th century, Labeled as a fake by very upset Christians and now media people. It is about the only document which gives any account of Europe before the wars and defeats by the middle east warlords the last 2000 years. It tells about the seapeople and their colonization of Tyre and Sidon. Also the tin mines of Britain and its trade is mentioned. To me it is mostly dear as it tells about the true Freya and not the later wannabies or impostors, and is a complete dismissal of Her role in todays history of religion as a simple fertility Goddess. Instead we have to understand her as a remarkable human in likeness with Fasta, who is known by the Romans worship of her as Vesta, and the Egyptian who worshipped her as Bast. This would be Vanatru as opposed to Asatru which is completely dominant in todays pagan world. The main Deity is called Wr – Eld which means Wereld/world and Ur Fire/original Fire. This is the same as the Stoics world fire. Reading this material made me understand the true background for the society that i was born into, and i could shun the Viasat History Vikings as a mongol fraud.
Anthony Radford was first to release a book on the material called From Goddess to Kings. Its found here:
https://earth-history.com/Europe/God-king/radford-intro.htm
So. It all points to the Phoenicians as a mixed people, and this we see so clearly on their coins. Some of them really look like european drunkard bullies. Despite Europeans parttaking, it sure wasn’t an European project. The language was and stayed semitic. Their religion is something i never have gotten hold of as it all looks like something they have borrowed from their neighbours. Baal f.ex is way more ancient and derives from something proto Irish.
However it could look as a happy diversified culture, and it probably was, as racism is no tool of merchants. Getting along with neighbours by worshipping their Gods too, would be a far better tool for merchant success. So we can say, they were not Jews, but their leadership ended up as leaders of Jews, and there they created the racist theology.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda_Book
I googled Oera Linda Book and found the wiki link above, which includes a section about the Nazis, and how it became known as “Himmler’s Bible”.
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Himmlers Bible !! What a joke.
Himmler was ordained a fully Jesuit priest in 1925, and was the one to be in charge of the concentration camps. Yes really , they just forgot to tell him the Jesuit charge – INRI = Iustum Necar Reges Impios
Jesuit flag; Latin: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical kings, governments, or rulers)
When it comes to Oera Linda the defamation takes on a new intensity, just look around. I see from google they have now also put David Icke on the job.
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Sigh… maybe I’m overly hostile towards links to websites that reveal the truth about ancient history to be yet another oh-so-secret battle between good & evil…
But the theories on that God-king site have zero overlap with mine. It sells the same old, and false, here/there conflict. Yes, foreign rulers are THE problem. But not because European “earth mothers” loved democracy & freedom for all, and lost it to “Asiatic invaders”, as claimed on that site.
Rather, global rulers have simply more power, and no incentive to preserve any one of “their” regions. Other than that, I fear local rulers were just as corrupt. If you had really read part 4, you’d have seen that I claimed they SOLD Europe away, for getting grafted onto the global family tree.
False conflicts sell because human minds are drawn to conflicts. They’re exciting. Good stories use them, as taught in every screenplay class in lesson #1. Professional “historians” likely emerged for the need to invent gripping conflicts, where none existed.
And there is ONE conflict alright, the one between the top families and everyone else. But it’s not sold. Yet even our little forum trolls are on the wrong side of it, though they won’t admit it even to themselves.
I have no monopoly on history theories. But whenever any of you posts a link that presents the true history as yet another grand conflict… true Christian zealots vs. the false gospel… freedom-loving pagans vs. oppressive Asians & Christians… Biblical tribe A vs. tribe B… master-race Neanderthals vs. whatnot… then please don’t claim it’s the same as my papers, because I said THE EXACT OPPOSITE. 😉
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“Sigh… maybe I’m overly hostile towards links to websites that reveal the truth about ancient history to be yet another oh-so-secret battle between good & evil…”
Hear here! There is a huge problem with the very concepts of good and evil, in that groups and individuals are encouraged to treat them as absolute terms. This is a fallacy, as they are relative terms which depend on the viewpoint of the observer. For example, one man’s terrorist is another man’s hero.
This leads to all sorts of communication issues, which act as a barrier to understanding and this, in turn, can lead to wrong conclusions and inappropriate subsequent actions. This is especially the case when the bigger picture is concealed and defining evil to steer public opinion in a desired direction has become one of the main daily jobs of the MSM endless propaganda machine.
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It is not a new idea herearound that events are shaped by a small elite who also practices controlled opposition. It is actually widespread, everybody here have got this point. You, posting your stuff here, is what we call; preaching to the congregation.
But where are you heading at with these “false conflicts” ? Into general denial. Into heavy lies. straight among the producers of the fog of war.
Because however the little substance the conflicts had been spun on, when these conflicts is delivered by the movers of masses, to the masses, the wars become manifest and REAL. The wars happened and the victims met evil. And face it, this is the way history has been written up to these pseudo objective times, and I have seen you having no qualms about it until it comes to the voice of Europe. Big bad flag.
“gripping conflicts, where none existed” – You contradict yourself, as you admit they had one, which you call the one between the top and everybody else. Here you actually bypass the original racism and supremacy as delivered by the Talmud and Torah. It was present in all of their manufactured wars, even when not noticed by the parts.
“Rather, global rulers have simply more power, and no incentive to preserve any one of “their” regions”
This looks like a complete whitewash of their conquest, enslavement and culturcide protocol. Shame on you. This is the pervasive problem of today, the cultural marxism, cultural revolutions, the replacement society, that 1984 is here to stay. Its the continual cultural revolution usually headed by honorary words like progress. And this 1984 situation is the continuation of the Lords creating the Dark Age.
Right – No incentive.
Speaking about the Dark age, I tried google it some months ago, and noticed there were hardly any writings on the matter, while there were a lot of texts saying it wasn’t as bad, it was exaggerated. So the stories of the bloodcourts, inquisitions, and the abundance of prohibitions, are not so available, as the writers of the popular science and history mags have been put on the case of rewriting this history.
As for a start on the dark age, I would say the last Roman emperor is highly interesting, Justinian.
Here is the book written by Procopius late 6th century about his deeds. Just reading the table of contents is informative. Yes, Procopius is said to exaggerate, and he calls Justinian evil, but we see that even so incredibly bad he describes Justinian and wife, he never once comes up with the idea that he could have been put there by the Enemy.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/proc/shp/index.htm
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Somehow didn’t see this answer when it was fresh. I suppose it’s a little late to apologize, but I honestly didn’t want to cause hard feelings. Sorry for that. I just felt I needed to make the point that we’re not on the same page here, since I was constantly wrongly cited in support.
The term “false conflict” was probably badly chosen. You are of course right, many of these conflicts have real, terrible effects on us commoners: death, slavery, impoverishment, loss of culture. I just meant that IMO they weren’t present at the top spook level. “False dichotomy” for a real conflict would perhaps been better.
I also admit that I’m prone to not consider official dichotomies, since most don’t seem to apply to the top level spooks themselves. The spooks are visibly from the Fertile Crescent, yet have wrecked it many times over, so IMO this cannot be about “nationality” or “culture” or “race” TO THEM. Both monotheist “Jews” and pagan “Phoenicians” were spooks, so IMO this cannot be about “religion” TO THEM.
Their schemes still cause us commoners to lose our own national, cultural, racial, religious heritage, as they toy with it. But to subvert their schemes we need to lay bare their own goals, and IMO their hidden punnery reveals that they’re all about “top vs. bottom”.
Of course I may have fallen into a “general denial” trap here, so feel free to continue your research, just please don’t cite me in support.
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@DF:
Norman just a simple mistranslation of Roman, which in is also a misunderstanding of the words for itinerant traders/craftsmen – roaming men. This was eventually shortened to Romeni. and we still use this name for travellers to this very day.
The history of the world is almost entirely fake – even more fake for Britain.
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Norman surnames found in Ireland: Fitzgerald, FitzGibbons (Gibbons), Fitzmaurice, Barry (de Barra) and De Búrca (Burke), French, (De) Roche, Devereux, D’Arcy, Treacy and Lacy. Norman surnames found in Scotland: Stewart, Bruce, Gray, Ramsay, Fraser, Ogilvie, Montgomery, Sinclair, Pollock, Burnard, Douglas and Gordon.
I think Miles has outed most of these families before.
Willliam the Conqueror’s family tree:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Cronological_tree_william_I.svg
Richard II of Normandy (William the Conqueror’s grandfather) married Judith, daughter of Conan I of Brittany. In Hebrew, the name Judith means Jewess.
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The mainstream account of history was all faked long before the so called Normans had been invented. The Norman nobility were simply actors who were created to give legitimacy to to those who wanted to exploit foreign lands (for want of a better term I call them the Megalithic Empire). Just like the Romans and Anglo Saxons et al had done before them. Interestingly, despite much effort from the archaeologists, there is zero evidence that the battle of 1066 actually took place. There is also evidence that many of the buildings attributed to the Normans originated from Roman times.
Before the exploiters invented the ruling classes, they first had to invent the idea of countries and Nation States. Before this happened, back in the far distant reaches of time, people just lived on the land of their fathers and had no knowledge of taxation, war, religion and all the other trapping of rule. You could say we’ve all been right royally screwed.
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I apologize if this is off topic but your talk of surnames made me think of the video below. Has anyone here seen this yet?
Fascinating line of research that definitely deserves a closer look.
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Further indication that the Norman shit was all fake (or storified and glorified, at least) is the recent “Vikings” television series. Rollo is one of the main characters, being Ragnar’s brother, and they attack Paris and Rollo goes over to the Parisians and marries the King’s only daughter. It’s said he’s the guy who eventually invaded England – but even in the show, Paris can barely hold its own against a few hundred Vikings in longboats. Not that it’s accurate, historically, but we’re supposed to believe Paris almost fell to these Vikings, then a few years later they invaded and conquered all of England?
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Many historic time-lines seem completely screwed up, with main-stream archaeology filling the gaps with fake documents, platitudes and carefully ignoral of the evidence. That the historic timeline could well be fake brings to mind the theatrical trick of real versus illusory time. A brief description of the technique can be found on this link…
https://www.britannica.com/art/theatrical-production/Real-versus-illusory-time
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I think we’ve adequately proven that we’ve been lied to about nearly everything, why should we think history would be any different? The timeline we’ve been given is all wrong and has been purposely altered to hide the fact that many of the civilizations we consider ancient aren’t actually that ancient but rather they existed in our recent past. In short, many people are beginning to suspect our history has been hidden and purposefully altered to hide evidence of reoccurring cataclysm. A cyclical cataclysmic event that possibly occurs once every 2 to 3 hundred years.
Myself and others believe the evidence points to these things being something geomagnetic in nature, perhaps a shifting of the poles. This is also what many written accounts and illustrations found in old books seem to depict as well.
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@Jack33: While I agree with you that we’re being lied to, especially about history, the rest of this seems too fantastical and baseless to me. A cataclysm every 250 years? No. We have no evidence of cataclysms every 250 years that I’ve seen. Feel free to present some if you like, of course.
You say “many people are beginning to suspect” and then “Myself and others believe”, both of which are logical fallacies outright. First, it doesn’t matter how many people believe anything if it’s wrong. And second, it doesn’t strengthen your position to call on some unknown mass of people – whom you cannot speak for anyway.
Lastly the shifting of the magnetic poles is no massive sign of cataclysm and happens regularly – and even did NOT happen during the alleged Cretaceous extinction event. The last shift was DURING our last major ice age, not the cause of it. I urge you to read Miles Mathis’s papers on the topic so you can catch up, and dispense with the catastrophe-fearism nonsense. People are the real monsters. The only reason you would fear magnetism is if you didn’t understand it.
“Pole Reversals
as Proof of my Charge Field”
Click to access pole.pdf
“The Cause of the Solar Cycle”
Click to access cycle.pdf
“How Magnetism Works Mechanically”
http://milesmathis.com/magnet.html
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Jared, here are some well researched videos on the subject of magnetic pole shifts. Have a look when you get the time.
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The “Next End of the World” titling coupled with no mention of the Charge Field = their theory is not only wrong, it’s spookified. Magnetic shifts aren’t catastrophic, and they happen all the time.
No offense, but if they were “well researched” they would be using the Charge Field, not their outdated mainstream pseudo-physics. These guys don’t even know what magnetism is in the first place.
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Little girl at the end of the Roelf Zelf video looks like she may have metamorphosed into Ocasio Cortez?
Or possibly even Golda Mayar?
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Psuedo science? 🤣
Okay maybe the solar micronova stuff.
But I did find it interesting, and not completely out of the realm of possibilities in my opinion.
Unfortunately the only event that would definitivly prove that hypothesis would also most likely kill us all.😖
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Here’s a little video I made to help demonstrate how incoming charge causes the spin of the planets. At the distance of the Earth to the sun, the Charge Field is about 2:1 south to north. But this same effect causes all the planetary spin, and also the magnetic fields. In short, most incoming photons (charge) are spinning one way and not the other. The differential causes the main body to spin to match the stronger force, over time. Simple, straight mechanics, though I apologize for the compression Vimeo introduced:
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How are you so sure magnetic pole shifts aren’t catastrophic?
And in my opinion, it’s more “spookified” to suggest the worst that could happen would be the temporary loss of cell phone service and malfunctioning GPS devices. This is what mainstream articles written about this topic are promulgating, and nothing could be farther from the truth.
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In other words: be afraid, very afraid. Doesn’t matter about what.
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That’s the stigma that goes along with bringing this topic up, isn’t it?
Nobody wants to hear it and you’re almost always accused of fear mongering.
I suppose we should all ignore the stuff we don’t like to think about; the stuff that makes us uncomfortable..
And I agree with that to a point, because there’s really nothing any of us could do about it anyway.
I guess I’m just courious to a fault.
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It’s not that I’m “so sure” they aren’t catastrophic, actually, but rather studying the mechanism alleviates the concern. And as you said, we couldn’t stop the shift anyway.
“Pole reversals are caused by the fact that the entire Solar System is traveling at great velocity through the galaxy, orbiting the galactic core at a great distance. As it does so, it passes through patches of different charge. In some patches, photons predominate. In others, antiphotons predominate. Some of these patches are very large, and some are very small. This explains why we see no pattern in the chrons or flips. As we pass through these patches, the Sun takes in the bulk of the charge and then shares it with the planets. But the planets take in some charge directly as well.”
“It is also admitted there is no known schedule to the reversal, with periods generally running from 10,000 years to 1 million years. But in the last glacial event 41,000 years ago, there was a flip and a flip-back in a period of only 440 years (the Laschamp event).”
(from Miles’ pole.pdf paper, linked above)
So we have no evidence of an actual catastrophe. And since we cannot test the mainstream theory, it’s not a scientific theory to begin with. If you can’t test it and can’t falsify it by controlled repetition, it’s not science. As I said before, those same people don’t even know what magnetism is to begin with. It’s just like all the fear-mongering about “radiation”, when in almost all cases the salesmen don’t even know what’s radiating. Or with Global Warming, when almost every climatologist involved (or ever) can’t even tell us what fucking HEAT is.
I for one am not afraid of spinning photons since I’ve been surrounded by them my entire life and yet here I sit. Not unscathed, but still breathing and babbling on and on. A magnetic shift may or may not change the weather systems or change various other aspects of our world, but it’s not like the EARTH itself is flipping over, to spin reverse like Venus. That would be a real catastrophe, but also take millions of years of a reversed solar field, which fortunately doesn’t happen. As far as we know, the Earth’s spin has never reversed like that.
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Jared,
In case you were wondering, I agree with the Electric Universe model of the cosmos.
In response to your earlier comment, I don’t see how understanding the mechanism behind it would make it any less of a concern.
And we do have evidence of past catastrophy, quite a bit actually.
It’s found in the geology and fossil record of every continent on Earth and also on the ocean floors.
Petroglyphs created by ancient civilizations, seperated by great distances with no connection to one another contain archetypes depicting the same unusual plasma formations seen in the skies as a result of one of these events taking place. Additionally, many different cultures around the world have very similar stories and myths about past cataclysm.
We could probably go back and forth forever arguing over things like the accuracy of the past shift timetable data, etc. but the truth is niether of us knows for sure what causes these things to occur. I’m seriously begining to think our Sun may be to blame. Perhaps our Sun goes through a period of highly erratic behavior once every 12,000 or so years, and Earth gets blasted with solar flares 40 x worse than the the Carrington event of 1859. There is some compelling evidence to support such a hypothesis.
I guess all we can do now is wait and see.
If Earths magnetic field continues to weaken at it’s current rate and magnetic north continues moving 150 miles a year towards Siberia, things could become critical within a couple of years
I’ll be hoping all returns back to normal.
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Jack, can you tell us what magnetism is?
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“Jack, can you tell us what magnetism is?”
I think you are missing the point Jared.
We have to go by the official time line of past events.
Thanks to Miles we know that lots of written history is falsified, especially where numbers are concerned.
Hiding behind the excuse of studying the ice cores and lake sediments to better understand how mankind is destroying the planet with a teaspoonful of trace gas, we have found some useful evidence, which has massively changed the official time-line of events over the past 10 million years and especially the past few hundred thousands years.
Things which were thought of as rare but cyclic are now seen as more frequent and more randomised, like pole flips. Nothing nailed down about those.
The fact that no mainstream science bod knows what electricity is – or magnetism for that matter – this doesn’t take away any importance from anecdotal evidence handed down over thousands of years of past catastrophe.
Now I’m not agreeing with anyone that Venus did a fly-by and the Earth went crazy.
Living beings don’t need that to effectively wipe them out. The coldest part of the very recent Little Ice Age wiped out 1/3rd of the population of Europe due to famine, and disease caused by malnutrition. Volcano’s seem to take the main blame, but volcanism increases with changes to solar activity. As the Sun goes quiet it seems to trigger abnormal levels of volcanism. As the Sun wakes up again this increase is greater. So changes to some aspect of the solar output causes heating in the Earth’s mantle.
Now we all know that charge plays a huge part. The EU folk also know that current flow and magnetic fields have a large part to play, even if they don’t fully understand what magnetism is. That’s pretty irrelevant to the argument.
If something hits your windscreen on the highway and causes you to lose control and crash i.e. causes a catastrophe, it matters not what hit your screen, whether it was a rock, a bird, a meteorite or something which fell off the back of a truck, the fact remains, it caused a catastrophic accident.
The point I’m making is that changes occur which devastate the human population, be they pole shifts or volcanism or whatever. It is almost a guarantee that the Sun is to blame for the vast majority of catastrophic changes on Earth, and we would be foolish to dismiss this probability.
But the planet doesn’t have to crash and burn. We don’t need viral pandemics. We don’t need aliens. We don’t need Gods of thunder. All we need is a big enough change in the Sun’s behaviour to cause climate shifts. These changes in climate (yes folks…real climate change), have happened before (Little Ice Age) and will happen again.
What is so devastating to us humans is the loss of food. Animals seasonally migrate to follow the food but they too can get caught out when the weather patterns shift and cause drought at their destination.
Humans tend to sit with their head in their hands and say, “what do we do now?”.
Only a small shift in the usual weather pattern but lasting for maybe 80 or so years can have a crushing effect on crops on all continents.
Experts have said that up to three years is sustainable, we can cope with that. After three years things get stupidly tough and people starve ‘en mass’.
I’ve noticed a lot of huge cold storage warehouses being built across the UK.
Anyone seen the same thing happening in Europe or the States?
Not sure why they would need all that cold storage space unless they are expecting food shortages.
I’m trying to see through the fog Jared and trying to understand the changes I’m seeing around me. I’m not trying to belittle anyone or prove them wrong, just better understand what I observe.
But you cannot dismiss the term catastrophe outright because, like I just explained, a catastrophe doesn’t require an understanding of nuclear physics and can take place gradually over many years. Nothing blockbuster about it…just devastation on a grand scale but a creeping devastation.
I may have mentioned before, that I think that regular catastrophic food shortages caused by changes in solar activity are what has held humanity back and ended previous civilisations. Several experts who have studied the collapse of the old civilisations have these thoughts too. Something as simple as very late springs, followed by prolonged rainfall and persistent cloud cover, then an early onset of winter and abnormally low temperatures and heavy snowfall, year after year after year, lead to ‘catastrophic crop failures’ and we are already seeing those effects taking place across the world over the past 10 years or more.
Pop over to iceagenow.com and keep an eye on their weather reports.
The unusual snowfall across Europe has even been reported by the BBC although the reporter blames warming at the poles for the excess cold.
Lots of other places are continuing to see record breaking snow and low temperatures and what is happening to the Sun? Another Grand Solar Minimum. The Maunder minimum saw hardly any sun-spots for around 80 years I believe. European population devastated.
Isn’t that where the poaching laws came from? To prevent the poor from taking fish & game from the landowners rivers and forests during periods of starvation?
I think Miles is right that gun sales is the reasoning behind these hoax shootings…for the time being. But long term I think the US will get new gun laws to help the authorities keep control and prevent a successful rebellion. THEY will eat while they watch us starve. A bit more true history. Only anecdotal though because they would never admit to this in the historic record.
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Magic?😉
I’m going out on a limb and will assume any explanation I offer that differs from what Miles proposes will be wrong in your opinion.
Lucky for me I happen to think he’s probably right.
What am I missing ? Does something about his explanation of the mechanics of magnetism make the shifting of magnetic poles an impossibility?
Does Miles’ model contradict plasma cosmology or confirm it?
I haven’t been able to determine that on my own.
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Miles has developed the only explanation for magnetism, beyond simply positing the existence of magnetic field lines, magnetic forces, or some such.
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That’s true.
And also why I said I believe he’s got it pegged.
His model makes more sense than anything else we’ve got.
Have I mentioned yet that I’m a fan and admirer of Miles’ work?
Because I am.
I’m sensing some hostility and I’m not sure why exactly.
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@Jack33
OK, I’m glad you asked. Let me break it down for you. You haven’t posted here in a couple of months and then suddenly show up posting a link without further comment to a fear-mongering video (“The Next End of the World”) that takes a “declassified” CIA document as fact. The CIA might as well be called the ministry of disinformation. They have perfected the art of misdirection. Nothing that comes out of the CIA can be trusted, let alone taken at face value. So why are you here passing on fear-mongering CIA disinfo? I don’t appreciate that you are using this platform to do that.
Your moniker is suspicious enough, Jack33, but I remember you from PoM. I remember that Straight pegged you as a shill with your “33” moniker and Texas Rangers pentagram avatar. IIRC, Annette vouched for you and they let you stay. I don’t remember thinking your comments were especially suspicious, but now everyone associated with that place raises my suspicion. You also never said anything to defend Miles and continue to comment there.
This may come as a surprise to you, but being a Miles Mathis supporter is not a prerequisite for commenting here. I would LOVE to have an honest, genuine critic who actually understood Miles’ arguments come here and offer a substantive argument that could be discussed intelligently. I have never seen that. Not here or anywhere else. I have only seen disingenuousness and/or dismissive, ad-hominem attacks. And although you may very well be a fan and admirer of Miles’ work as you profess, it seems that in addition to not bothering to take the time to vote for your favorite papers (that’s your prerogative), you also haven’t taken the time to really digest some of his core arguments about how the world works, both politically and physically.
To begin with, you should know not to trust anything from the CIA. We have no evidence the document that video quotes from was actually redacted or shortened in any way, beyond the CIA’s assertion that it was. This is a tactic we’ve seen before: they pretend to be covering something up in order to give it more legitimacy. I call it a cover-op. It’s akin to telling kids not to smoke or “just say no” because you know it will just make them want to smoke more or try drugs. That doesn’t mean that everything the CIA admits to is a lie, but you’d better keep your guard up sifting through the information, rather than assuming it must be true if they kept the information secret for so long.
Second, the theory of cataclysms that the document puts forth relies on the “molten core” model of the Earth, which Miles has shown makes no sense. Jared already provided you a link to Miles’ paper on pole reversals back in October, so maybe you should put down your pom-poms and try to read and understand it, along with the paper I just linked to. If you had understood it and accepted it, you would have known that it isn’t true. Or you could have asked substantive, critical questions — either about the material or about Miles’ theory in light of the evidence put forth in that book. But instead you just passed it off with no further comment.
Third, during your foray onto this forum back in August, you left a series of links to so-called “Mud Flood” videos. Now in responding to you I skimmed through them a bit. That’s some stupid shit! The guy basically goes through all these old buildings that have been built on hillsides and wonders why some of the windows/floors etc. appear to be covered up. Duh – because they were built on an incline. And I thought the flat earth stuff was stupid. Those videos appear to be aimed at people who live in a near vegetative state. And so if you really think they offer compelling evidence, then it does not reflect well on your critical reasoning skills.
Finally, you said that “That’s the stigma that goes along with bringing this topic up, isn’t it? Nobody wants to hear it and you’re almost always accused of fear mongering. I suppose we should all ignore the stuff we don’t like to think about; the stuff that makes us uncomfortable..”
I’m not suggesting ignoring it because it makes me uncomfortable; I think it should be ignored because it’s wrong; it’s misdirection; and it seems to by trying to make me uncomfortable. This sort of thing happens to be Russell Taylor’s cup of tea, and I have not accused him of fear mongering (at least I don’t think I did). I believe I have also stated support for the younger dryas catastrophic event. So I’m not turning away from this topic because it makes me uncomfortable. I only turn away from things that smell to me like bullshit. It’s instinctual at this point.
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Fair enough.
I have not read all of Miles’ papers and probably should have at least read his papers on this subject before posting.
I assure you I have no alterior motives and I apologize for any feathers I may have ruffled.
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OK, Jack. No problem. I’m happy you asked so we could put everything on the table. You are welcome to continue commenting here.
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I missed nothing.
Jack, can you tell us what magnetism is?
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I’m not being hostile, I was asking a direct question. It happens to be the same type of question we use to demolish a great many arguments. Since you were unable to answer what magnetism was, perhaps I can help.
Jack33 said: “In response to your earlier comment, I don’t see how understanding the mechanism behind it would make it any less of a concern.”
@Jack33: Then you simply don’t understand the mechanism, despite my attempts to illustrate and inform you of it so far. Normally I would just stop there (in an AGW argument, you ask them if they know what “heat” is, and they inevitably do not) but there are other readers here who might enjoy more information.
Magnetism is the net spin-vector of lateral (equatorial) emission from charged matter. As the charge photons move out from the core or nucleus, more of them are spinning one way and not the other in an unbalanced material. But they are still moving OUT, not up and down through the polar axes (which is electricity).
No matter where the magnetic poles are, the charge is still moving out. So it would be up to anyone claiming a catastrophe to show or explain how the SPIN direction would cause calamity enough to generate such a catastrophe – and of course, nobody has done this, and nobody has shown it WOULD be a catastrophe. It’s an empty claim, scientifically.
Try this: stand up and spin to your right a few times. Now stop, and spin to your left. Are you still alive? I sure hope so.
Jack33 said: “Does something about his explanation of the mechanics of magnetism make the shifting of magnetic poles an impossibility?”
@Jack33: Did you not read his explanation? Or watch my video? He literally wrote an entire paper on just this very topic, which I linked to for you. It explains exactly how and why a magnetic shift can and does occur, and I even quoted a very relevant passage for you.
Jack33 said: “Does Miles’ model contradict plasma cosmology or confirm it?
I haven’t been able to determine that on my own.”
He’s written several papers on this topic. Go ahead and read them and get back to us when you’re up to speed. His model falsified the EU’s archaic, outdated, and uninformed model. And if you recall, the Electric Universe people don’t even know what electricity or magnetism is to begin with. They just use “electric” as a marketing ploy, knowing that most readers (all of them) also do not know what electricity is fundamentally.
Russelll Taylor said: “The point I’m making is that changes occur which devastate the human population, be they pole shifts or volcanism or whatever.”
Volcanoes are obviously very devastating, locally and globally. Show us where or when a polar magnetic shift has obliterated cities or vast swaths of land, or filled the atmosphere with noxious gases and ash. A magnetic pole shift is not remotely the same thing as a volcano, so that statement is illogical and a false equivalence.
The rest of your comment was moving the goalpost and pushing your own climate-change agenda, and pretty much just a dodge from my question – which was for Jack, if you recall. 😉
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A magnetic shift is NOT the same as a planetary polar shift. The planet is not flipping over. The balance of photons and anti-photons fluctuates all the time, constantly, as we move through different volumes of galactic charge and the Sun recycles it. The balance is not a balance to begin with, here at 1AU (the distance of the Earth) but 2/3 photons and 1/3 antiphotons. The South Pole takes in more photons spinning one way, and the North Pole take in more photons spinning the other way, but the South Pole is generally taking in twice as MANY photons, simply because the Earth is in an unbalanced ambient field.
In these types of “CATASTROPHE!” conspiracies, they always use a physics catch-word that most people won’t and don’t understand – be it radiation or magnetism or gravity waves of GLOBAL WARMING or whatever. Black Holes. Singularities. They want you afraid, even if it’s just afraid of ghosts and boogeymen. They count on your inability to research the topic yourself.
(Russell, I do believe you research YOUR climate agenda topic heavily, so that last paragraph isn’t aimed at you, outside the context of you dodging to and fro regarding my question for Jack)
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“Russell, I do believe you research YOUR climate agenda topic heavily, so that last paragraph isn’t aimed at you, outside the context of you dodging to and fro regarding my question for Jack”
Perfectly understood Jared. I took no offence whatsoever.
Apologies for jumping in.
But it’s not a pet theory. It’s not even a theory as it’s happened in the very recent past, and as more and more scientific evidence has been uncovered, many of these ancient catastrophes have been attributed to simple changes. I used to embrace the planetary collison stuff before I realised there were other mechanisms which could be
just as destructive.
In the recent past, mass extinctions and ice ages and rapid population decline have been blamed on massive cataclysm as the catalyst. Now we know that subtle changes to the Sun can be just as deadly to everything on the planet and were the main reason behind the rise in volcanism, not the other way round as was previously thought.
Miles has already connected planetary alignment to solar activity and therefore changes affecting the climate i.e. ice ages, mini or otherwise. So I believe that the charge field is the mechanism driving these major changes that have happened in the past. Something makes big changes to the Sun, and the charge field, to me, seems like the best explanation. For the better part of 20 years I have thought that the Sun goes through bands of increased electric charge and the EU folk seemed to give some credence to this. I even considered this to be the cause of the solar cycle until Miles put that idea to rest.
I also agree that the vast majority of modern day scientists haven’t got a clue what the cause of magnetism is or how an electrical energy system works.
The only thing which transfixes my attention at present, is what effect is the present solar innactivity going to bring for my children and grandchildren? Trying to sift science from science fiction is diffiicult enough but some of it must be true, the stuff which makes logical sense I tend to follow.
If a drop in charge affects solar activity, it will also create less ‘net’ planetary heat, so exacerbating the problems we face as a species surviving any widespread future famine…not 1 billion but probably nearer 7 or 8 billion to feed…that’ll take some doing. The mainstream Al Gore types are absolutely correct when they say that ‘climate change’ is the biggest threat we face right now. Well yes it is but it won’t be warming that wipes a few billion people out, it will be severe cold.
Miles has put my mind partly to rest with his statement that the next big temperature drop isn’t due yet due to the planetary alignment being wrong.
Anyone reading Miles paper on magnetism can’t possibly fail to better understand the mechanism. For the first time in my life I have a perfectly good explanation, unlike the beating about the bush answer dodge from Mr Feignman…sorry I mean Feynman!
http://milesmathis.com/magnet.html
So I’m not dodging to & fro, just trying to marry the two subjects together – changes in charge affecting solar activity and ancient catastrophe. If a definitive connection can be made, I think that could help Miles get far more people on board, especially the ones still attached to the worlds in collision hypothesis. I mean….electric universe? They can almost see over the last hurdle. They just have to have a good enough reason to try and get over it. Connecting charge to ancient catastrophe may be that very reason?
The ancient drawings of plasma discharges. Massive swings in the amount of charge the solar system is passing through at around 490,000 mph could trigger those discharges in the atmosphere or maybe even the ionosphere. They all saw something weird, all over the world. High levels of charge making plasma glow is the reason for what they saw? We just have to prove that the charge field has different zones of high and low density. Can’t be that difficult. The evidence must be staring us in the face.
Does the solar system hit density waves in the charge field and respond with changes in solar activity, planetary feedback and atmospheric plasma discharges?
Maybe as you get closer to the galactic centre or pass through a galactic arm, the influence of any density waves would become stronger as the star density increased would it not? The field isn’t linear across the solar system and I see no reason why it should be linear on a galactic scale.
Food for thought?.
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Sorry Josh….wrong thread again….
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Seems appropriate enough.
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@Russell Taylor: I actually don’t really disagree with your info or analysis so far at all. The only reason I dismissed you here was because we were trying to demolish a potential spook or at the very least demolish a paltry, fear-mongering catastrophism argument.
Note that Jack33 hasn’t responded to my demonstration of magnetism and its mechanics. That’s not a coincidence. He hasn’t responded because he can’t answer it, and that was why I asked that question. It’s the same with Global Warming – ask them what heat is, they lose. Same with Quantum Mechanics apologists – ask them what a photon is, they lose. We already know they can’t answer, so the question I posed was a set-up. I’ve done this literally thousands of times.
Now this doesn’t mean that Jack33 is a spook. Just not a quick learner, and he hasn’t studied the material (even though he says he has), evidenced by him still supporting the Electric Universe while pretending to have studied Miles’ charge field, but then demonstrating a complete misunderstanding of the material. I’m not a know-it-all, I’m a student AT BEST. I make lots of mistakes, but I sure don’t go around claiming to be something I’m not.
Anyway, I ain’t mad at’cha bro, I just wanted to out Jack33 and you clouded it a little. No big whoop. You’re alright and I’ll answer your email shortly as well.
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@Jack33: I hope you understand my position, even if we don’t agree. If you’re genuinely here to share and learn, then we’re all goody in the hoody. If you feel animosity I will apologize for being so harsh, and tell you why: Miles has already outed the Electric Universe people himself, both directly and through his far superior theory. So any time I see someone supporting the Electric Universe, they either haven’t read (enough) Miles yet or they are in on the con. You appear to be the former, and that’s absolutely fine – I found Miles through the Electric Universe theories myself, albeit indirectly. I studied them for years before finding his work. So I totally get it, and since you’re on that same page, please forgive my perceived hostility.
That isn’t to say Miles’ theory is FACT or CORRECT, mind you, as no theory can be such things by definition. It’s just the best one we have. If you have additions and corrections, we’re all very open to them so long as they make sense of course and are solid, and Miles himself will readily admit such things too as he has on numerous occasions. He’s shown where and how the EU theories are wrong, as well as many places where they are dead on the money. I consider his work the next logical step forward, and theirs a stepping stone of sorts. You don’t have to be like me of course, that’s just where I’m at and maybe that helps explain my bluntness.
I’ve had these arguments hundreds of times. It’s why I got booted from the EU forums, a long time ago. One might say I do it for a living. 🙂
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For the record, I think Jack is purposefully muddying the waters with this catastrophism. Miles has already given an explanation for shifting of the poles that doesn’t need any catastrophy, and it has much more explanatory power than any of these spooks you’re referencing. I would give the papers that Jared linked you a read, and then another read, and then another read. That is, if you’re even interested in discussing the science; but something tells me your motivations lie elsewhere.
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I finally finished Part 4…Thank you Gerry for all your amazing insights!
Regarding Miles’ note at the end:
Barca/Barcelona/Hamilcar Barca made me immediately think of “barca” which in Spanish means “boat”.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/barca#Etymology_4
“…Possibly from a form *barica, from Ancient Greek βάρις (báris), from Coptic ⲃⲁⲁⲣⲉ (baare, “small boat”), from Egyptian bꜣjr (“transport ship, type of fish”)…”
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B2%CE%B1%CF%81%CF%8D%CF%82#Adjective
βᾰρῠ́ς • (barús) m (feminine βᾰρεῖᾰ, neuter βᾰρύ); first/third declension
heavy, weighty
Antonyms: ἀβαρής (abarḗs), ἐλαφρός (elaphrós), κοῦφος (koûphos)
heavy, burdensome, oppressive
deep, hollow, loud (voice)
grievous, troublesome, painful
unwholesome
hard, cruel
strong, mighty
Woodhouse, S. C. (1910) English–Greek Dictionary: A Vocabulary of the Attic Language[1], London: Routledge & Kegan Paul Limited.
βᾰρῠ́ς
aggravating idem, page 18.
annoying idem, page 31.
bass idem, page 64.
bitter idem, page 80.
burdensome idem, page 104.
crushing idem, page 187.
cumbersome idem, page 189.
deep idem, page 203.
dingy idem, page 225.
disagreeable idem, page 227.
discomfortable idem, page 230.
disgusting idem, page 233.
dismal idem, page 235.
distasteful idem, page 241.
distressing idem, page 242.
dreary idem, page 252.
dull idem, page 256.
embarrassing idem, page 266.
fatiguing idem, page 310.
galling idem, page 353.
grave idem, page 371.
grievous idem, page 373.
harassing idem, page 385.
hard idem, page 385.
harrowing idem, page 387.
harsh idem, page 387.
hateful idem, page 388.
heavy idem, page 393.
horrid idem, page 406.
inconvenient idem, page 430.
inert idem, page 436.
insufferable idem, page 447.
intolerable idem, page 454.
intrusive idem, page 455.
irksome idem, page 459.
killing idem, page 469.
laborious idem, page 472.
loathsome idem, page 496.
massive idem, page 516.
melancholy idem, page 524.
miserable idem, page 533.
monotonous idem, page 539.
mournful idem, page 544.
muffled idem, page 545.
nasty idem, page 551.
noisome idem, page 559.
objectionable idem, page 565.
obnoxious idem, page 566.
odious idem, page 569.
offensive idem, page 571.
onerous idem, page 574.
oppressive idem, page 577.
painful idem, page 589.
ponderous idem, page 626.
repellent idem, page 696.
repugnant idem, page 699.
sad idem, page 730.
sepulchral idem, page 754.
serious idem, page 754.
severe idem, page 759.
shocking idem, page 767.
sore idem, page 794.
sorrowful idem, page 795.
stern idem, page 816.
strong idem, page 827.
teasing idem, page 859.
tedious idem, page 859.
thankless idem, page 863.
tiresome idem, page 878.
tiring idem, page 878.
toilsome idem, page 880.
torturing idem, page 884.
tragic idem, page 886.
trying idem, page 899.
unacceptable idem, page 906.
unbending idem, page 908.
uncomfortable idem, page 910.
uncongenial idem, page 910.
uneasy idem, page 916.
ungentle idem, page 919.
ungracious idem, page 919.
ungrateful idem, page 920.
unpleasant idem, page 927.
unsatisfactory idem, page 931.
vexatious idem, page 950.
vile idem, page 952.
wearisome idem, page 970.
weighty idem, page 973.
woeful idem, page 986.
wretched idem, page 993.
I have to laugh at these descriptors of, I’m guessing, the people in the boats!
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They, as in the historians and intellectuals, also claim that barc is a Celtic word. So someone, somewhere has been getting around in his or her barcas, barks, “baruses” and barques 😉
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Ancient Bactria had a town named Barca, said by Herodotus to be named after the people of Barca, another Greek town founded on the Libyan coast. The Persians supposedly enslaved the population and settled them in the East.
As a side note: it is claimed that the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea were once linked by a navigable river system; that, for example, Jason and his Argonauts might have used such a river to explore into the heart of Asia and Oxus river. Something like that (see a old documentary called the Lost World of Alexander).
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I just realized that the elite surname Stanley could be related to the Latin word for tin: stannum.
The official etymology say it is from “stone”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_%28name%29
Stanley is a family name and masculine given name dating from the 11/12th century contraction of Stone (pronounced “Stan”) and Leigh (meadow).
It is also believed[by whom?] to be a Mediaeval contraction of the modern-day English-speaking forename “Stephen” following Spanish roots from the name “Esteban”[citation needed] or the Polish name “Stanislas”, given after St. Stanislaus of Szczepanów Bishop and Martyr. Stanislas was a popular name in Britain and Scandinavia before the Reformation, still given in France, Austria and Italy.
Of course, a closer word in Spanish is “estanifero” meaning “contains tin”
http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/estanifero
adjective
1. Stannic, containing tin.
See also, Stannous/Stanneous Flouride
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_%28given_name%29
“Stanislav or Stanislaus (Latinized form) is a very old given name of Slavic origin, meaning someone who achieves glory or fame. It is common in the Slavic countries of Central and South Eastern Europe. The name has spread to many non-Slavic languages as well, such as French (Stanislas), German, and others.”
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Stanislaus
“From the Latin form of a Slavic name famous in the history of Poland, from elements meaning “to become”/”firmness” + “glory”. “
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Funnily enough I was watching Larry Olivier’s Richard III (1955) and noticed a Lord Stanley therein. (Richard’s mam was a Neville as was his wife Anne!!!)
His ancestor, John I Stanley of the Isle of Man, from wiki, who –
‘…died at Ardee, County Louth, in 1414, after being satirised by the O’Higgins of Meath for despoiling the lands and raiding the cows of Niall O’Higgins. He lasted but five weeks, according to the Four Masters, before succumbing “to the virulence of the lampoons”. ‘
Doh?
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I wonder if it’s on purpose that you can move the ‘n’ in Stalin and get Stanli.
“Man of steel” = “Tin man”?
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Hehehe! Nice one. Maybe they should scrap the FBI and just use you lot to solve everything with Miles as managing director?
I learn so much by reading all your posts folks….keep it up….it’s like medicine!
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You may be onto something there. Thanks a lot! Based on your solution, my own derivation would be this:
Stanley is explained as “stone”, and there’s a link between stones and lead, often traded and conflated with tin, as I wrote in part 4: The Biblical Hebrew word “eben” (think “Ebenezer Scrooge”) has mappings to “plumb line”, “plumb”, “rock”, “stone”. People could tell plumbum from rocks, but the word simply meant “hard & heavy”.
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/68.htm
How does that help us with the Stanleys? You said the name sounds like “stannum”, yet it’s explained as “stone”. But we saw in Hebrew that these 2 words can be linked. And they are very close even in the Britannic languages: Irish for “tin” is “stán”, plural “stáin”. Old English for “stone” is “stān”, derived from Proto-Germanic “*stainaz”.
https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=st%C3%A1n&oldid=48969901#Irish
https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=stan&oldid=50485808#Old_English
Do we have a stone-stannum pun, apart from Stanley? I found one, but it’s weak. There was a Roman governor of Britain named “Gaius Suetonius Paulinus”. I first thought “Suetonius” was derived from “Sidon”, but maybe it’s derived from “stannum” (or both, or neither). Paulinus means “stone”. “Gaius” has no known meaning AFAIK, but it could be a form of Semitic “goy” meaning “corporation”. It’s a stretch, but the name could indeed have to do with tin trading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gaius_Suetonius_Paulinus&oldid=865051221
A much better hint is that the word for “stannum” is written with G in many languages of the Mediterranean area, from whence our spooky friends came: stagn, stagno, istagnu, stàngiu, stagnu. Even in Latin, stannum was replaced by STAGNUM.
https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=stannum&oldid=50359075#Usage_notes
Stagnum… stagnum… what puns with stagnum? I’d say it’s “stag”. And now try to guess what all Stanleys have on their coat of arms?!?
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Stagnum sounds like sphagnum, as in ‘a rolling stone gathers no moss’.
Northern Rock Bank gathered plenty of tax payer handouts but certainly didn’t sit on it’s laurels gathering moss.
Probably of no relevance whatsoever and I’m just seeing faces in the clouds…
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I had read these comments back in October, but they hit me anew here. Especially the “Stannous” moniker. In the recent “A Song of Ice and Fire” novels (Game of Thrones is the wildly popular TV-show version), the already-outed fake author “George R. R. Martin” named one of the three warring kings, “Stannis Baratheon”. I just now made that connection, and consider that another very strong indicator that Miles was right about Martin, not that we needed more evidence.
But Stannis Baratheon’s ROLE in the story also is very telling, as though Martin couldn’t help himself (the committee in Langley couldn’t help themselves, rather) but spill SOME beans, knowing most people would never get it. I can’t think of anything else that links Stannis to the Stanleys more directly, which might be telling us who funded this steaming shit-show of a story (the plot barely even exists, and the only theme is PAIN).
In the story, Stannis is the cold, ruthless oldest brother in line for the throne after the king dies. He’s logical, harsh, and fair for the most part – but becomes very, very cruel and companion and lover is “The Red Lady” Melisandre, a sort of fire-priestess of the true god, “The God of Light”, R’hlorr.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/R%27hllor
Perhaps someone can take apart THAT name and get somewhere? In the story, they burn countless people in R’hlorr’s name, and Stannis even burns his own daughter at the stake to gain favor from the God of Light.
My premise being that not only was the story itself AND its author spooky to begin with, they are being promoted heavily by the Stanleys themselves quite likely – and this also explains the runaway smash success they’ve had with the show, which is VERY well done (better than the Lord of the Rings movies, for example, which is a crazy budget for a multi-season show, likely costing hundreds of times as much money as those movies did!) from a technical standpoint, despite the story being absolute garbage and torture-porn.
Are the Stanleys telling us that they LOVE to inflict pain? That they don’t care if EVERYONE dies, the same way in the story all the main POV characters die constantly? Only a few main characters remain alive at all as the story comes to its close, with every book (every season) killing more and more people off that one might love and admire. The good-guys almost always lose, in the story. The banks (Bank of Bravos, in the story) ALWAYS win. They always collect their money, and always fund BOTH sides of the war.
Hell, I could probably write a whole paper about this but I think that’s either a good point for now or it isn’t. Has anyone else read those books that might have some insight as well?
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The links between Normans and Jews are not clear, but here is a small page on the Zarphatic language which Jews had in the north of France where it surfaced in texts 11th century. Its name said to derive from Phoenician city Sarepta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarphatic_language
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Here’s a good read for those interested in how those running the Shoah bend the historic time-line to suit their agenda. It is one of the many papers from Gunnar Heinsohn, about the ‘Dark Ages’ and gives hard evidence of why 700 years of the first millennium do not exist…
http://www.q-mag.org/_iserv/dlfiles/dl.php?ddl=gunnar-creation-of-the-1st-millennium-new16-11-2013.pdf
Enjoy.
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Those three dates tie in pretty closely to two devastating cold periods Boris.

Take a look. The first hits near the coldest part and the second and third near the beginning and end of a much colder period. Also take note of the major volcanic eruptions at those times.
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Thanks for posting the historic ‘guestimated temperature’ graph, Russell. This supports the Heinsohn theory quite well I think, with the medieval warm period just being an extension of the Roman warm period, with a mythical Grecian cold period sitting in between. I think the possible reason for this 700 year period of history being created by these running the Shoah, was simply to insert the mythical Anglo Saxons into British history to give credibility to subsequent dynasties of rulers and land ownership.
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Yes Boris, they used to blame climate driven catastrophe on witches, Gods, neighbours, scientists etc. Today, when we don’t tend to believe in mysterious super-beings any longer, climate driven catastrophe has become the popular religion of choice. And while TPTB bang on about Anthropogenic Global Warming type Climate Change being the biggest threat to humans, the reality is the exact opposite, that a new ice age is imminent and they know it. Warmth in the past has caused humans to thrive but cold has almost wiped us out. Back to the Stone Age we go, ho hum, tweedle di dee!
I can’t remember if I already posted a link to this but it’s worth posting again.
Not that we would be completely wiped out world wide in an ice age but it gives us a solid understanding of how quickly our complex society would break down and disappear without trace in many countries. The documentary covers 2,000 years I believe. What would remain after 100,000? Who would man the power stations when the engineers had been killed for their food by the starving minions?
The long term spookery has been to keep our eye off the ball while they prepare….in my humble opinion of course……
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Sorry, but that “blame it on the volcanoes” graph makes no sense. Note that the most volcanos are listed on the final big upswing, coming OUT of the Little Ice Age. That is opposite to reason and the argument. ALso note who compiled the chart: Randy Mann. From the Isle of Man, mebbe? Also a joke name.
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The clusters of volcanic events are mostly tied to an upswing in solar activity which ends the ice ages and mini ice ages too. The last one, the Maunder Minimum saw hardly any sun-spots for around 70 years. As that mini ice age ended the standard of living suddenly improved, even though the industrial revolution had already been in full swing for around 100 years. The main theme is to consider all the different events together, sudden cold snaps, heavy rain and floods year round, late springs, early winters, so crop failures year on year, plus harsh (cold-wet) living conditions and added to this, major eruptions blocking sunlight for more crop failures. Cattle being killed by giant hailstones. Living conditions we can’t comprehend. The repeated hits from the weather alone would keep wiping out populations through famine and disease, the eruptions being the last straw, just as things were warming up.
The Robert Schoch video I posted explains a lot about this.
The Sun goes into hibernation mode (charge output decreases?), major cooling of Earth.
Then the Sun suddenly kicks up a gear and warms the Earth but in doing so warms the mantle and triggers volcanic mayhem. Ice ages wear down the mountains. Their ending helps build new ones, not just increasing volcanism but increasing tectonic activity. Imagine the stresses induced by warming tectonic plates, as they expand, plus rebound from melting ice.
Today we are living in paradise by comparison, and all the concrete and steel we see around us will soon be gone when the next ice age hits us like a freight train, and scrapes the landscape clean….
…when it ends will we be back in the Stone Age, utterly wiped out, or hit the floor running for the first time in history?
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I’m really just not buying the whole “ice ages wiped the world clean” thing, Russell. I’ve not seen any real evidence of that. What I can find shows that the glaciation didn’t even cover Britain, much less the whole of Europe and far less the rest of Asia or North America. So I don’t really see how they would have had a huge impact on history or keeping us from “hitting the ground running” as a culture.
In fact, we have no evidence that our culture ever really existed prior to the Fertile Crescent era. Totalitarian Agriculture began where the agriculture was easiest and most bountiful but ALSO where greedy, lazy people emerged as hoarders and lorders, not because of glaciation or recession of ice or heat or any other phenomenon. I’ve never seen any indication that our culture existed prior. Sure, civilizations existed but they didn’t share our monoculture of greed and locusthood. They generally worked or didn’t work – but not one of them took over the entire world and did their best to transform it to ruin, prior to our people. Multiple cultures existed in and around the Fertile Crescent for hundreds of thousands of years prior to OUR culture of shite.
An oncoming ice age doesn’t happen overnight, either. Even the last mini-ice age wasn’t very rapid initially. We would never know about a full one coming on, because we’d be long dead. As would most of our ancestors. Of course the climate changes due to the sun, Jupiter and it’s little bros and sisters, and our position in the galactic spin but The Powers That Be didn’t even know this shit prior to Miles’ work so there’s no way they could have been planning against it for centuries.
Just because AGW is a crock of shit doesn’t mean we’re going to die under glaciers in the next thousand years. Hell, I already live by glaciers and they really aren’t very scary.
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Not sure about Britain not being affected by the ice age. Scotland was under ice 1 mile thick and the ice stretched all the way south to the Gower Peninsular in Wales where it was nearly 1/2 mile thick.

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“What I can find shows that the glaciation didn’t even cover Britain…”
Which is precisely what your map shows. I didn’t say it didn’t affect Britain, I said the glaciation didn’t even cover Britain.
I know you’re trying to make a point with the next ice age thing but at the current population growth rate, it’s not even an issue. We’ll have populated the entire Universe long before the glaciers reach Dublin again, should we ever develop the capability to reach the stars. It’s not remotely a threat to humanity – humanity itself is by far the greater threat. The climate doesn’t murder, pollute, and ruin everything it finds for profit.
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Have a giggle…..
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I am tacking this onto the end here to avoid it being squashed right, if anyone asks. I was just reopening the Titanic investigation, not claiming to end it. I am sure there is a lot left to do and many levels left of that rabbit hole. However, for now I do think they sank a ship. That was a major part of the insurance fraud, so they couldn’t have that huge ship still existing somewhere. It would be pretty hard to hide. You will say they just kept it somewhere in the East, and while that is possible I think it is unlikely. Even repainted and retagged, someone would recognize it. But who knows? Maybe it became a Greek oil tanker? At any rate, if they sank it, they would have to evacuate crew anyway, so they may have evacuated a few extras as well, as part of the fake. Or not, I don’t know. I don’t think Astor and those guys were ever on the ship. They may have been nearby watching the fun, or not. Impossible to say. As for how the ship was scuppered, I didn’t get into that. They may have torpedoed it, but it could probably be scuppered internally somehow as well, with explosives planted at the right places. And then there is the possibility all the underwater footage is faked, and that there is no wreck down there at all. But I didn’t get into that. I actually got bored with paper after a certain point. I learned what I came in discover and got out. I hit the things that interested me the most, as usual. But I assume one of my readers will take it further, either soon or eventually. For myself, I would like to know more about Astor. But some of the comments above don’t seem very promising, in my opinion. This blog is still being used by the spooks to plant disinfo, as I am sure you are aware.
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Thanks for chiming in on this, Miles. I trust your instincts on the event and I also believe you’re right that at minimum they scuppered the ship, which would have required a skeleton crew at minimum, who presumably would have escaped into lifeboats prior to detonation (if it was indeed split by explosives). Of course we can’t be certain about all of this, but it seems to be the cleanest explanation. They may have indeed added more actor-operatives to make more of a show of it to beef up the insurance claim. That way if any of the underwriters got suspicious, they could always call on eyewitness testimony to ‘prove’ their case.
About Astor: don’t have much to add there. I touched on the Astors a bit in part 1 of my Smedley Butler paper: John Jacob Astor, Jr., married Sarah Cox Todd shortly after arriving to the US. The family is said to come from Walldorf in Germany, which is nestled between Unteröwischeim and Kallstadt, both of which came up in Miles’s paper on Hitler.
Astor’s role mainly interests me for the way in which his death is spun in the mainstream conspiracy theory about the Titanic, which is that he (along with Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and perhaps other alleged passengers) were killed due to their opposition to the Federal Reserve (JP Morgan was supposed to be on board but cancelled at the last minute). I don’t believe they died that night. On top of that, it’s hard to imagine that they were opposed, as by that time the Astor family had very large banking interests. So was the fight between different oligarchs over the Federal Reserve nothing more than theater? That would be my starting hypothesis.
But then if they were all on board with a central bank, why not establish a lasting one much earlier? In addition, the creation of the first national bank and the question of whether to continue the charter of the second were matters of intense (apparent) controversy. Jefferson was a leading opponent of the establishment of the first bank; Jackson a leading opponent of permitting the second bank to continue. I could imagine that Jefferson’s opposition was fake, and I would not be surprised if Jackson’s was as well. But if it was, then why was the national bank allowed to be shut down? And why did it take so long to re-establish one?
Which leads me to entertain the following: Could the apparent controversies surrounding the national banks and later the Federal Reserve be signs of a real rift between rival factions of the powers that be: some who stood to gain more wealth and power from the Fed vs. others who stood to lose ground? But if that’s the case, then why would the opponents of the Fed go along with the hoax? It’s possible, I suppose, that some rival faction published news of his demise without his assent, but it doesn’t seem very plausible, which brings me back to the conclusion that the opposition was fake/manufactured, which then leads me back to the question of why was Jackson allowed to appear to shut down the central bank? Could it be that the importance of the central bank (especially in a lot of conspiracy theories) is overblown? Maybe TPTB don’t really care that much about it…just another layer of misdirection. It serves mainly as another MacGuffin for the stage play of history. Maybe they just want us to think that there are good guys among the elite. Like the lie they sell about JFK’s silver certificates plan as one of the reasons for the assassination. (Not to mention Lincoln’s Greenbacks.) And of course there is the common meme in conspiracy circles that the only three countries without a Rothschild-controlled central bank are Syria, Iran and North Korea (in this the central bank plays the role of misdirection by implying that those countries are actually independent).
I don’t know the answer here, but given the role that (fake?) controversies over the bank have had in burnishing the credentials of folk heroes such as Jackson, it seems like an issue worth untangling and despinning. I’d try to do it myself but fear I’d be in over my head.
Here’s an interesting tidbit: Wikipedia has this to say about William Waldorf Astor (only child of John Jacob Astor III): “To disappear from public view, in the summer of 1892, Astor faked his own death by having his staff report to American reporters that he had died, apparently from pneumonia.[9] However, the ruse was soon discovered, whereupon Astor was mocked in the press.”
The footnote there is to a fake obituary published July 12, 1892 in the New York Herald-Tribune. So it appears faking one’s death ran in the family!
Another tidbit: the few pictures of Madeleine Force Astor with her husband JJA IV and/or his family all look like fauxtos.
Another: Somebody here mentioned some predictive programming written by William Stead. That wasn’t the end of it. Back in 1889, a book was written by Morgan Robertson, titled “Wreck of the Titan”, which detailed the demise of a luxury liner that hit an iceberg killing everyone on board.
One last tidbit: the Lloyds of London HQ was built on top of the old East India Company building in London.
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I have a few disorganized thoughts regarding the Federal Reserve and the 2 National Banks. The charter for the 2nd Bank ended around the period when they started the fake North vs South controversies. They probably wanted to start another National Bank after a civil war that was in the making. I assume that the Civil War was planned at least 3 decades before the actual start of the war. They needed a civil war first because they needed a war to centralize many things (tie the loose ends). When you have the proper centralization, then you can move towards a central bank. One of my rules when I study history is to look at how things relate to centralization (centralization of any type of kind: economic, political, education etc).
Regarding the Federal Reserve, I believe that the greatest psyop is the push that the Fed is the top of the pyramid. Nowadays they also push the Fed/NWO vs China, Russia (and maybe the other BRICS countries). Well, if you look at the Bank for International Settlements, you see that the Fed and the BRICS central banks belong to this organization. In the end, I would assume that even the BIS is misdirection (Iran and North Korea are not part of BIS) . It is most likely that the Fed is just one head of the Hydra. It is a big head, but still a head that can be sacrificed to obtain a greater global centralization. “China” and “Russia” are pro SDR and other global centralization initiatives. A lot of conspiracy heads talk about the evil Fed, misdirecting from the bigger picture. While the left hand mesmerizes the public, the right hand does the job that needs to be done (they even have 2 big hands in front of a IRS building plus a pyramid).
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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Titanic and Insurance.
There is more to it than the page Miles found, but both are interesting as they tell a different story, it doesn’t seem to be Lloyd paying out. See for yourself. And it was JP Morgan who owned the bank owning the company owning Titanic.
And yes it may look very suspect that Titanic was insured only 14 days before the sinking, but as it was the maiden trip it makes sense.
Here is a page telling about the insurance for 5m
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442450/5m-insurance-policy-document-Titanic-revealed-auctioneers.html
There are those out to debunk the ideas of Gardiner, saying there was no switch.
http://www.titanicswitch.com/evidence.html
I have to admit that much of their evidence looks mostly as “because we say so”. While other things, like their photos, is something i cannot deny or approve as it depends on circumstances. I know from experiences that shipping offices may contain heaps of photos of heavy damage on ships, which they use probably for insurance, or negotiations on repair. Their photographers could very well brew something too.
They claim Titanic was insured for 2.5m under its value. But i have not seen the bill, and i acknowledge there would be people out there interested in keeping the story tight together so to not shame descendants. And it would mean backing up lies.
However the date of insurance suddenly means more as we hear that Olympia was also insured that date, not before. AND that the insurance was raised even 5 days before leaving, making the original and publicised document outdated.
The Titanic switch site also admits that insurance on these boats was not common.
From YT we see these underwater pics from Titanic. Plain bs. Even if these pics were just 80 years after the sinking, it would have been overgrown by barnacles and plants. See that stack of dishes ? Not even dusty, but still orderly stacked after that crash and that sinking.
The JP Morgan solution. That he should have caused this sinking to get rid of enemies or rivals disapproving of the start of the federal reserve. He was to join the journey himself but just didn’t show up. Highly unlikely, all his camerades are fully secured generations ago. The FED is holy unto all his kin. It’s the fountain of money and happiness bringing sunshine into their lives. The ownership of the Fed is split between multiple holding companies, i guess they all are represented.
And yes there were Forbes, Rothschild, Brandeis, Dulles and Goldschmidt among the passengers.
How did it all happen? I cant tell if there was a switch, but i believe a ship sank. There was about 100 1.st class passengers which is where we will find our group of fake death artists. Planes which have crashed show in statistics to be under booked. It might be the same for ships and Titanic.
But i think it would be an next to impossible case to fake all this. It would have left some kind of paper feeling which isn’t there. That empty feeling you get of the latest school shooting.
There was a group of informed people in the 1st class. Lets assume they were 40-60 plus there had to be a part of the crew (4-10) to make the sinking. The first group could have left Titanic in Ireland, sneaking out in late night/early morning to be driven to Dublin for another ship to America.
The captain and the informed crew could have crashed the ship into another ship or just exploded the front by bomb. It happened 1140 pm. and the ship foundered 0220 am. The general impression of the Iceberg/explosion was that it wasn’t so dangerous. The captain and informed crew could have left 1100 pm after securing that holes were open enough, before any panic rose, disappearing in the direction of a ship which were there to pick up only ViP’s who was to be announced dead. The many survivors and the many victims would ensure that there never were any doubt that a ship sank. This would be in J.P. Morgan style. Do or die. The many deaths would ensure that new spooks would never talk, and would forever distinguish between family and outsiders. This is male bonding, J.P. Morgue style.
Miles mentioned the many who wanted to disappear before WWI, but didnt say why, so i have to ask – Why?
Son of Astor IV, Vincent did engage in spookery, of which group also introduced Ron Hubbard. Here is an essay behind a paywall or free by registering called The Roosevelt-Astor espionage Ring. https://www.jstor.org/stable/23169848?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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After rereading ‘Did Blackrock/Vanguard buy the entire world?’, it made me wonder if JP Morgan/Lloyds were owned then by the same companies, different names, but same old-same old?
‘J. P. Morgan dies and it turns out that 81% of J. P. Morgan companies were owned by the Rothschilds. On March 31st, J. P. Morgan, alleged owner of the J. P. Morgan banking empire dies. He is thought to be the richest man in America, but his will revealed he owned only 19% of J. P. Morgan companies.’ From Synagogue of Satan, I read the book before I discovered Miles’ papers, and so it’s now it’s filed with ‘Protocols’ dubious type books.
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I haven’t read many of the above comments yet, but I read the 4-part article on Spooks, i.e. Phoenicians.
Has anyone checked out Jordan Peterson? He seems to be an intended manipulator, apparently trying to manipulate populists. Here’s a Voat.co thread that agrees: “Jordan Peterson arguing for Zionism, says the world is jealous of Jews” https://voat.co/v/whatever/2770767 And here’s a video that one of the commenters may have referred to: “Jordan Peterson hates Palestinian people?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g49P0WC77cE
I saw a video in which Peterson claimed that IQ scores are very well proven scientifically and he claims that Ashkenazi Jews average the highest IQ of any group, Asians and Whites a little lower and Blacks lowest. I think that’s hogwash. Here’s an article I think is much more realistic: “Scientists Prove Traditional IQ Tests Useless” http://trendintech.com/2016/07/28/scientists-prove-traditional-iq-tests-useless/
Also, has anyone checked out Voat.co? They have considerable Free Speech there; as they let members talk about almost anything and use any words they want. Some of the members express low opinions of some races etc, which Peterson’s authoritative-sounding claims about IQ surely reinforce. But many members seem to have a good sense of how society is manipulated by the media etc and discuss fake events quite a bit.
In his Onion paper, Miles said “I am allowed to tell any truth because the governors are no longer worried by the truth. Being untouchable, they no longer fear free speech or truth-telling.” Does that mean it’s fairly safe for us to collaborate to try to uncover the maximum amount of truth that we can? Can we do that here? This format doesn’t seem to be the best for that. Does it?
I just lately started a forum at http://lin4.boards.net/ Anyone can post there with or without signing in.
I’m retired and have studied quite a few subjects for a long time. Catastrophism is one of my favorites. A Younger Dryas impact cataclysm some ten thousand years ago or less appears to have destroyed ancient civilization and may have given rise to the Zionist-like ruling class. Randall Carlson and Ancient Architects on Youtube have some of the most sound science about cataclysms and ancient civilization. Mike Fischer’s site at http://NewGeology.us has some of the best detailed info about them. Dating methods are unreliable. C14 dating suggests that coal, diamonds, dinosaur fossils etc are only thousands of years old, not millions. Sedimentary rock appears to have formed in 6 megasequences in a short timespan via mega-tsunamis due to huge impacts. Charles Chandler’s site at http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=6031 has the best explanation I’ve read on how planets, stars and galaxies form and how their features came about. Miles has about the best details at the micro/macro scale. I think the best idea on Economics is Sovereign Money and the most promising way to improve society is via the Community Rights movement as discussed at http://CELDF.org and at https://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17550.msg299175#msg299175 . I also found excellent info on Education, which is best Self-Directed and on Health etc.
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Lloyd, you are right that the format here is not ideal for discussions. A proper forum would be better. However, I believe that would take a lot more time and effort for me to moderate. My on-line experience with these ‘dangerous’ topics, and especially with Miles’ work, is that any forum will quickly become overrun by shills. So you actually need very active moderation. As part of this, I do not require anyone to register here in order to comment, but I do ask people to leave a name and e-mail (many choose to provide fictional ones). If things really started to get out of hand I might have to ask people to register, but for now things are going pretty smoothly except for a few minor hiccups.
The advantage of the format here is that once you subscribe to receive comment updates, you can easily scan incoming e-mail for new comments.
I am familiar with voat. It was introduced as a reddit alternative, and many people left reddit for voat once they realized how compromised reddit has become. Another site like that is saidit.net. Reddit recently started to crack down even harder and I think more and more people will flee to voat and saidit. I use reddit to keep abreast of topics in the conspiracy world. That is also where I first learned of Miles’ work and so I try as much as possible to ‘pay it forward’ by linking people to his research. But all of those other sites are or will soon be a shill-fest. Here at least if the shills want to tango they’ve got to play it smart since the bar is set fairly high as these things go.
Thank you for the other links. It’s quite a coincidence since I just discovered the ancient architects channel yesterday myself and just recently the topic of historical catastrophes during the younger dryas period. I have really been getting into these topics, and by next week I will have a new post up where people can share all of their thoughts on those and similar topics.
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Looking forward to your coming post Josh, on the topic of historical catastrophes. For the last few years I have been examining the theory of Ice Ages / Glaciations and have suspicions that all is not what it seems. It will be good to have differing views on the plethora of disasters which haunt the history of our planet.
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I may have mentioned that we are seeing the very first signs that the world is entering a new cold phase. Hopefully just a Little Ice Age and not a full blown one. We have new technologies which may help initially like a more advanced transport system and GM crops, some of which are more tolerant of drought and disease but we also have a huge population to feed.
Large coronal holes tend to trigger sudden precipitation and storms. The timing is of course crucial as lunar phase and season are important, due to the angle of the Sun above the horizon. Even the time of day, so the wave of charge hits either the ocean or landmass. So a very large coronal hole just pointed straight at Earth for a few days, charged up the atmosphere and ground currents, then what do we see? Terrible hail storms and tornado’s in Brisbane, Australia and a devastating hurricane in the Gulf, while snowfall in the Northern States and Canada (and Russia) is wrecking harvests.
Want some confirmation of what giant hail can do? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-45831883
Farming has seen many difficulties across the world over the past 15 years starting with the last Grand Solar Minimum. We are now entering another one, rather unexpectedly I might add.
https://eu.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2018/10/10/rain-muddy-fields-delaying-fall-harvest-wisconsin-farmers/1578880002/
It gets worse.
https://www.agweb.com/agweb-crop-comments/
Of course there’s bad weather and farmers have always had bad years but the problems start to bite when they have failed harvests year after year after year.
Like I say, this is just the beginning. If this carries on and gets progressively worse, then we are in Shit & Fan territory! We could always pray or cross our fingers?
Boris and Gerry, I look forward to Josh’s new thread as the people posting here are uncovering some amazing information on many subjects. A new-found wealth of knowledge for me.
Jared, you may take some convincing but I’m patient so please bear with me on this.
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I think the spooks are not so able to get to the end of the thread so we lost a lot. All the zombies, those who hit air wildly without any chosen target.
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Spot-on, Runar. I think the Intel outfits use many AI Bots and fewer human Trolls who are on a low pay grade and are not too bright. They seem to use the same formula when trying to divert attention from the meat of any thread and when that fails to find traction move on to somewhere else to disrupt the next discussion. This is handy as it makes them fairly easy to spot.
This quote from Gandhi springs to mind…
‘First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, and then you win’
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The Community Rights movement seems to me to be our best hope against tyranny. What CELDF.org has done is to help local governments pass ordinances to prevent big corporations from having unwanted influence locally. The Declaration of Independence is maybe the main precedent, which declares that the people have the right to self-government.
Do you all think Jesus was part of the establishment? I don’t think so. What about the shroud of Turin? From what I’ve seen about it, it was produced by highly advanced abilities of someone via complex photon interactions with the shroud. Perhaps photons can be controlled by the mind. And since matter is made of photons, maybe matter can also be controlled by the mind.
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“All the zombies, those who hit air wildly without any chosen target.”
You hit the nail on the head here, Runar.
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As a portrait artist, I have to say the Shroud of Turin looks like a fake. Not even the Jewish faces are that long. I don’t think anyone in history had that great of a eye to mouth distance.
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I think the second paragraph was probably not intended to be posted together with the first. It may be one of those copy-and-paste errors. 😉
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I get the same feeling from L Kinder. Probably another one of those ghastly phantom-people, or a shitty computer program.
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I don’t think so. Lloyd is a real guy, from the Thunderbolts. He has pushed me over there for years. I have never met him, but have emailed for a long time. He may have an agenda or he may just disagree with us on some things. It happens. I have a lot of Christian supporters, and I don’t have a problem with that. I have Jewish supporters as well, as you know. That said, there are other problems with the Shroud of Turin. They recently did forensics tests on the blood patterns, showing they weren’t right. But in my opinion they would be better off just doing simple measurements. The body looks way out of proportion to me in MANY ways. Although the face is too long, the head is too small overall. The fingers are too long. This is either an artist’s rendering, or Jesus was some sort of physical monstrosity. I don’t think that is the case. But the Shroud being fake doesn’t mean Jesus was. That is a different question, one I haven’t fully researched.
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Oh, that’s LLOYD K! Yes, I apologize, Mr. Kinder. I didn’t know your last name, and we’ve interacted many times before in the unofficial physics forums. And made some really good progress in a few areas too! My mistake.
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I sure got a kick out of your latest tale of email-spookery as well, Miles. Imagine, a “legal team” that emails you first? How the hell would they need a “team” to do that, anyway? They just told you exactly which team they’re actually working for.
But these basement guys… I mean how can they actually be THAT bad? It makes me miss my mother; at least she could argue pretty well. She’s not even dead but I sure miss arguing with her after all the recent basic-bitch antics these spooks have been attempting.
Well, you’ve inspired me to call my mother and (hopefully) argue with her about something fun. Job well done, I say. 🙂
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If we don’t try to do something about what we’re learning about history and society, we’re only half awake, aren’t we? Does anyone want to be fully awake, engaging in effective action?
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I don’t really entertain the notion of “being woke”, personally. Unraveling the truth (or as close as we CAN get to it) and demolishing the structure of lies surrounding history is a lifelong endeavor. It isn’t going to end. It’s a progression. One cannot ever know all that needs to be known, but one must continue on the path or nod off into oblivion with the rest of the clones. And yet…
“Do you live like the past is a god?”
In my opinion, and this is STRICTLY mine and constantly evolving, there is nothing else to really be done on a social level. Expose the lies, do the best work on science when and how we can, and learn how to live again as free of the yoke of our rich masters as we are able.
My answer to “what shall be done?” is to secure some land and become a self-sufficient gardener and herder. Homestead life, if need be, though I won’t give up much of my tech which is also my livelihood. My goal is to sever as much as I can, disconnect from their chain of power and spend my life designing structures and raising plants and animals.
But there is no one right way to live, and that’s why nothing else really need be done except the open sharing and exposure of lost or hidden information. (Or stolen, in many cases, which is how I feel about all the genealogy sites scrubbing the ancestries) Everyone has to decide how best they should live. Pass on the critical mentalities to their children or neighbors. Crack open the shell of lies we all grew up with and let their minds go free. It would only take a generation or two to topple the cultural monsters at hand, if enough people knew the extent of their falsehood. It needn’t even be bloody, just a growing shift from a basic single Taker culture to multitudes of non-Taker, free-minded new cultures devoid of those heinous methods of rule.
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This is why i have been looking all over for a place free from the managers of controlled opposition. I first left a political news forum in 2009 as i found it sabotaged all attempts to problem solution, keeping it to complaining and whining was clearly seen as they banned posts and members.
To be wake is more symbolic than anything, and i think people looks hypnotized as they don’t react as they are harmed and hurt, both personally and as a group. But it might just be the lack of ways to react. That they never had the debate on how to react, and therefore stick to the social programming.
So therefore people keep on complaining and looks up to the elite, waiting for them to change something even if its them who are the problem.
The great democratic reaction to problems. To go in demonstrations and then also fight the police. In the hope that MSM shall cover this protest and bring the news to the governing elite.
Its futile. We have to stop waiting for MSM to cover our case and begin our way to sovereignty by not asking for permission.
The great change will come through organisation. This in so many ways, for I want a society instead of the replacement society of 1984. A complete remaking of society. I see clearly that all the new programming is there to make us hate eachother, and to make us compete eachother for their profit. By the art of civilisation it shall be possible to make a society which makes people love and respect eachother.
But i agree that organization will not work before we have revealed the lies, and see clearly what the actions of the evil empire has been. A political front must solve this in an intelligent way to always say no to the interests of the evil empire. It will include the analysis of religion.
I dont think we are very far from seeing an outline that is workable.
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“A complete remaking of society.”
I think that’s important, but more important is to recognize that there is no one, single “right” way to form a society. But there are also plenty of WRONG ways to do it.
Our society, going back through history beyond the Phoenicians and everyone else is one of Totalitarian Agriculture – the hoarding and lording of food by those with the power to do so. We have identified who these people are, and of course Miles and Gerry and Josh and Vexman have been tracing them through the fog of history.
All that needs to happen is to break their control of that which keeps us alive, in my opinion. If enough people no longer depend on them for food/water/whatever, then their power diminishes and ultimately disappears.
Everything else that happens needn’t be controlled centrally. Let people live different ways. Let natural order reign again, and let people live or die. Famines will come, people will die. Just as everything else in nature, trying to control everything will only break the world and lead us back to the control of these evil people. Putting life before living is what has caused all of these events, basically.
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Actually, it is my personal belief that supporting Miles is likely the best hope we have. This is coming from someone who has nowhere near the intelligence it takes to make these discoveries, but enough intelligence to know how important they are and how much potential they have to change the world.I simply believe he is the only one right now with the intellect and courage to make a real difference with his words alone. I foresee great things, given the numbers alone that my searches have revealed. Google may be good at hiding things, but you can’t hide billions of web searches. This guy is basically getting more hits than any other single person’s website out there.
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RESEARCH. Anyone may like to peruse links to articles on the following subjects at the following links.
I’ve been posting Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm for a couple years at this link:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16025
I started posting weekly links to related online articles on this topic at:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16025&start=720
This is the most recent page of links to such articles:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16025&start=825
I’ve also been posting links to Science articles at this link:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16256
And I have links to Miles’ Conspiracy articles here:
https://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=27566.msg300663#msg300663
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I just came across this news article. Does it sound suspicious to anyone?
Hurricane Cost May Skyrocket As Billions In Stealth Fighter Jets Unaccounted For
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-13/hurricane-cost-may-skyrocket-billions-stealth-fighter-jets-unaccounted-tyndall-afb
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By the way, remember hearing about the FBI closing down solar observatories in the U.S. recently and others around the world also closing down for a while?
Now what do you think about this news?
Hubble Space Telescope sidelined by serious pointing failure
https://phys.org/news/2018-10-hubble-gyro-space-telescope.html
Another NASA space telescope shuts down in orbit
https://phys.org/news/2018-10-nasa-space-telescope-orbit.html
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RE: the shutting down of space telescopes
I don’t believe there are any space telescopes so I suspect they are setting us up for some sort of psyop in the near future. A new horrific threat to humanity that also doesn’t exist, I suppose.
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It sounds extremely suspicious, because the F-22 isn’t and never was a “stealth fighter” at all. It was a strategic bomber and air superiority plane, a successor to the F-16. So the article is blatantly misleading, and then just below the video they post a pic of a ruined hanger with three completely different (not F-22s) planes in it. What the hell do those bulbous things have to do with F-22s?
They do say the F-22 is a terrible plane and that part is true. The YF-23 was the better plane, but it didn’t win the competition back in the 1990s so taxpayers got stuck with the F-22 instead. Perhaps that’s WHY they got stuck with it, because it cost more money for less potency?
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Potency of the fighter planes really don’t matter all that much in the end though, does it, because we have no real enemies to use that fighting power against. There are no legitimate threats to those who own the fighter planes. So any money spent on vehicles of war is by definition a waste of money. I almost wish we did have real enemies, anything is better than knowing all of the so-called-boogeymen are gay Jewish actors. What could be more lame than that?
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Right? How disappointing. Like finding out that the final boss is just Mel Brooks or something. Rick Moranis, maybe.
I do take some satisfaction reading that the F-22 has about a 49% viability, meaning almost half of the planes aren’t currently airworthy right now. Not only could they not stop a couple (faked) airliners back in 2001, they couldn’t even stop any major opponents with an Air Force in such disrepair. Perhaps that will bode well for any revolutionaries that come fumbling on through, someday.
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RT said, “I almost wish we did have real enemies, anything is better than knowing all of the so-called-boogeymen are gay Jewish actors. What could be more lame than that?”
Hilarious….and true!
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Is Arthur Jones, Republican politician, the latest boogeyman?
Katrin Goering-Eckardt is the German Green Party fuehrer, oops I meant co-chairman with Anton Hofreitner. She divorced Michael Goering in 2017 after separating in 2011, but kept the Goering name nevertheless. Reminds me of the book: How green were the Nazis?
https://www.amazon.com/How-Green-Were-Nazis-Environment/dp/0821416472
In addition, Dietrich Eckart, founder of the DAP which became the NSDAP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Eckart
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She looks good in a brown shirt , boots .
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/cem-oezdemir-and-katrin-goeringeckardt-of-the-german-greens-party-picture-id876294722%3Fs%3D612x612&imgrefurl=https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/cem-oezdemir&h=612&w=415&tbnid=1fHjrjnDPLcyKM&tbnh=273&tbnw=185&usg=K_4fUq6YG2qAYChBxry3QRH6NOM7w=&hl=en&docid=hqhvpXR6sRstbM
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We call them , in the USA ,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
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