Below is a rebuttal and response to a recent attack on Miles Mathis, titled “Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Clowns.” Note that from the first word there is already an ad hominem attack in the form of childish name-calling. Apparently Miles is a clown, and the picture of him at the top of the post is supposed to prove it, I guess. Also note that the paper was first published on Mark Tokarski’s (now defunct) “Miles Mathis discussion site,” which is apparently just New Speak for a place where discussion is forbidden. The “About” section of the site no longer exists, but it originally stated that: “As always there are ground rules. No personal attacks. I have met him, he is a human being, even as some think he is a front for a committee. Be respectful of one another.” So much for that. I guess the next post he publishes will be a hit piece titled “Miles ‘Pantsload’ Mathis.” Oh wait, they’ve already used that one
[Update May 13, 2018: The link at the top to the commentary on Miles has been deleted from that site, which is now also vacant with a “for rent” sign hanging on the front window. I have re-linked to an archived copy of that page, which I made using the wayback machine before it was erased. That site was a spin-off blog started by Mark Tokarski, who has a regular blog called Piece of Mindful (PoM or POM or now lovingly referred to as POS). I was a contributor there for about 6 months in 2016-2017 before I parted ways and opened up shop here. Mark has now re-published that hit piece on his regular blog under the title ‘Down the Rabbit Hole’ and also added some scurrilous and libelous accusations against Miles. I will not link to the new piece, though you can easily find it yourself. I will have an update in the coming days responding to the new accusations but others have responded to it in comments.]
Two things I want to say before I continue. First: this response is long, and if you think I am trying to Waste Your Time™, then by all means don’t read it. Nobody’s forcing you to. If you think this is part of some manufactured fracas to further split the truther ‘community,’ you will be relieved to hear that the gambit cannot work if you close this browser tab now and ignore it. I sincerely wish I had done both of those things when I first saw the post authored by the pseudonymous “Robert Zherunkel.” But I didn’t and now here I am, unable to ignore it and allowing myself to be hoisted on somebody’s petard—maybe even my own. It is my hamartia. Or one of them, anyway.
Second: I think it’s perfectly legitimate to be skeptical of Miles and question whether or not he his genuine. My intention is not one of “how dare you!” and my response here is not a knee-jerk defense. It comes after having spent a long time wrangling with some of the same questions raised by “Robert.” But unlike him, I did not seek answers to my questions in rhetorical gimmicks. I prefer substance. So in responding to his accusations, I will also be offering some insight into how I came to believe, and still do, that Miles is a genuine person who is genuine in his intentions. That doesn’t mean I think he is perfect or that I agree with everything he writes or every conclusion he reaches. But it does mean that when I think he’s wrong, I don’t think he’s being wrong on purpose. In other words, I don’t think he’s trying to deliberately mislead or act as some kind of limited hangout.
Whoever wrote this pathetic attack piece wants you to dismiss the scientific work of Miles Mathis based on sophistry, since he is unable to show how it is wrong. I don’t think you can reach conclusions about the work (including deciding whether it could be the work of a single person) unless you have read it. And if you haven’t, then it would be best to remain agnostic rather than fall for the sophistry—and sophistry it is, starting from the ad hominem in the title.
Extraordinary Claims…
I think I might know who “Robert Zherunkel” is: the ghost of Carl Sagan. Who else would start out by admonishing that “Extraordinary claims, it is said, require extraordinary evidence.” Yes, that is often said. But remind yourself who says it. You always hear it from the (paid) guardians of the mainstream who try to discredit all evidence that contradicts the status quo. The fact that this writer’s first move is to pull out one of the go-to talking points of paid shills and mainstream gatekeepers is, in my mind, a dead giveaway. In my opinion the whole thing sounds like it was written by a fairly experienced JTRIG operative who has underestimated or utterly failed to understand his target audience. He thinks he can trigger the desired response in Miles’ readers using ad hominems, appeals to authority, and low-level stuff like dragging out this tired mantra. He flatters you as someone who is too sophisticated to believe what you read in newspapers, but treats you like someone who has just begun to question their daily dose of propaganda. His ploy is patently transparent and simply won’t work. Not on us. Can we please speak with your supervisor, “Robert”?
Look, I agree that it is hard to believe that a person like Miles exists. The sheer genius of his insights, the scope of his work, and the scale of his productivity are admittedly hard to believe. They are extraordinary. But that doesn’t mean they’re impossible. In the world our governors have molded, they have tried to marginalize and quash people like Miles, rob them of any incentive to do what they do. They want us to believe that it is no longer possible to achieve so much, especially without the promise of monetary reward and especially if it goes against the matrix of lies they have constructed. “Robert” cannot even fathom that Miles hasn’t copyrighted his work, it is so outside his corrupted vision of conceivable human action. And then he wants you to believe it is a sign that something is amiss. Sorry, but I’m not buying the vision of humanity and human potential that he’s selling.
‘Pataphysicist Extraordinaire?
“Robert” mentions how inconceivable it is that someone who lacks a laboratory, graduate student assistants, a high-powered computer, and an advanced degree could have achieved what Miles has. (I believe he errs in thinking that Miles has never had access to a research library, since much of his earlier work was completed while living near Amherst. And anyway, hasn’t he heard of the internet?) But it actually makes sense when you read his science work, because it is bears the hallmarks of an autodidact who started from square one and questioned everything as he went along. Do you think that most people with advanced degrees in physics these days have actually read the original works accredited to Newton or Einstein? No, they are taught glosses of their work in textbooks. People like that have the tendency to humblebrag that they stand on the shoulders of giants. But the problem is that they are not taught to question the work of those giants. They are taught to accept it as dogma.
Miles also stands on the shoulders of giants, but before trying to look further, he first peered over their shoulders and checked their work. And guess what? Turns out they weren’t as giant as we are taught, since he found a lot of mistakes. He explains these mistakes very clearly. They are not hard to understand and usually involve simple errors of algebra, variable assignment, or logical contradictions. Of course Miles’ work is not just a simple correction to this work: he brings to the table many deep yet straightforward conceptual insights and expands far beyond the work he corrects.
The suggestion that his physics work is a pastiche of different theories is only something that someone who hadn’t read his work could argue without being disingenuous, and it could only resonate with people who haven’t read it. The reason is that it is coherent. It is of a piece. Not only that, you can see how one idea or paper leads another, how later papers build on earlier ones (and plus his physics papers are chock-a-block with interconnecting hyperlinks). For example, his work on Pi follows from the work he did dissecting and correcting Newton’s Lemmae, as well as his work on deriving a calculus that was appropriate for describing the physical world, along with others. He then uses his reworking of Pi to correct many mainstream equations. It’s also worth noting that his argument about kinematic Pi differs from other “tired old math paradoxes” since it is derived from different postulates and is brought to bear only in some circumstances (to describe the path of moving objects). Thus although it may appear superficially to be simply a variant of the diagonal paradox, it is not.
To give you a point of comparison, consider Miles’ conspiracy opus. Imagine someone suggested to you that he had simply cobbled together a bunch of disparate conspiracies and alternative histories from all over the place and claimed intellectual ownership. I don’t think you’d buy it. First you wouldn’t buy it because you won’t find anything anywhere about many of the things he has (un)covered, and the way he approaches the things that have been covered elsewhere are always unique and usually far more decisive and illuminating. Is there anybody else out there, for example, who has ever said that major historical figures like Hitler, Mussolini and JFK were gay Jewish actors who faked their deaths. No, there isn’t. Now imagine someone suggested to you that each of Miles’ papers on those historical figures were all written by different ‘oddballs’ and Miles just revised their work to make it sound like one person wrote them. Would you buy it? Of course not. So to suggest he cobbled his work together from different sources is an obvious non-starter. And for anyone who has followed the progression of Miles’ work and seen how he built up to these and other conclusions and how intertwined his various papers are, stiff with interconnected hyperlinks, you would have to think that anyone claiming that his work was a pastiche had in fact never read it and/or was deliberately trying to mislead you. For those of us who have read and digested his work in physics, “Robert’s” insinuation is equally absurd. Either “Robert” has not read the work (and is therefore in no position to judge it) or he has read it and is deliberately mischaracterizing it in order to mislead you.
Oddball Comparisons and Appeals to Authority
Here we go with more ad hominems when “Robert” compares Miles to other “oddballs.” But just because the mainstream has discredited these people’s work, how can we be sure they’re wrong? Because the ‘experts’ say so? Whoever this “Robert” is he sure seems to put an awful lot of faith in mainstream knowledge and expertise, wouldn’t you say? There are many implicit and explicit appeals to authority throughout the piece, such as when he says that “any time that Mathis has written on a topic that I have direct, personal knowledge of, he has gotten it wrong. Dead wrong.” Yet he fails to offer any examples, so I guess we’re just supposed to take his word for it.
He makes a lot of claims about what characterizes oddball work (it “bends terminology to make [an] argument”) and charges Miles with the same misdeed without being able to point to a single example. His argument in a nutshell is this: “The mainstream has dismissed others because their work is ‘not even wrong’ and can be trivially falsified. And if that’s true of these others, then it must be true of Miles.” Frankly I’m surprised anybody would think this kind of sophistry would work on this audience, and I’m even more surprised that Mark agreed to publish it. I have defended and made excuses for him until now, but no longer.
Now, if “Robert” will only be satisfied when “experts in the field” are willing to confirm the value or validity of Miles’ physics work, I can point to at least three I know of:
One of them is Tahir Yaqoob, a PhD in Astrophysics who has held positions at many prestigious universities and now works at the University of Maryland and the Goddard Space Flight Center, NASA. Yaqoob was the one who encouraged Miles to publish his first science book and also wrote the forward and a blurb on the back cover. Of course “Robert” might object that the support of a NASA-affiliated scientist is a hug red flag. For that matter, one might argue that the endorsement of any mainstream physicist is a red flag. But in that case he has put Miles in a no-win situation. Also, to immediately dismiss Yaqoob on that affiliation alone would be a symptom of what Emerson called “the hobgoblin of little minds.”
Another supporter introduced himself on Clues Forum in 2015 as Gopi Krishna, who earned his PhD in physics at the University of Houston. In a thread on Miles at CF he wrote:
“I came across Mathis’ work at the end of 2012/beginning of 2013, for a completely different reason: his physics. Now, my background has been in studying physics, both conventional (as a graduate student) and alternative (as a hobby), and due to a reference given by a friend, I checked out the physics theories. Now, I do not know if you guys have checked it out, and that would probably have to be a separate topic to examine it in detail, but the long and short of it is that the theory was intriguing, and very effective in explaining most of the puzzling phenomena in modern physics without enormous amount of tensor theories and so on. Since I already knew from my research that the justification for many mathematical assumptions were on a very shaky foundation, I proceeded to examine his idea of a “charge field” … and it cleared up a lot. I emailed back and forth for about 6 months, trying to hash out my questions regarding the physics, and thereafter, I have visited him two times. Once for nearly 5 days for a Physics conference, at which time everything other than physics was restricted to over-the-table conversations. The second time was around the first week of this year.”
Gopi also says there that he got his degree from the University of Houston, and I have verified his credentials through a web search. So here we have someone with a PhD in physics consulting Miles in person to help improve his understanding of physics. If Miles was a front for a committee whose main task was to mark their work with a consistent style like some kind of ghost writer, would he be able to discuss such issues with Gopi one-on-one like that? Would he be able to host a conference to discuss physics? Would his minders allow him to do that? What if one of the conference participants asked a tough question or if Miles forgot something in the over 6,000 pages written by his committee and published on his science site? Seems risky and implausible. Remember these annual conferences were capped at 8 participants. So there doesn’t seem to be much upside, while the risks run pretty high.
And finally we have Steve Oostdijk who has a degree in electrical engineering, electronics and avionics from Delft University of Technology. Steve has been one of Miles’ most steadfast and vocal supporters. What’s funny is that many have accused Steve of being a Miles Mathis sock puppet. See for example the accusations by Kevin Bos in his review of Miles’ first book on Amazon, where he writes “Steven Oostdijk is a known Mathis alias.” Which is kind of weird since Steve has an extensive LinkedIn page and other presence on social media. Any doubts were put to rest of course after Steve posted a youtube video with an experiment confirming Miles’ work on Pi. Come to think of it, “Robert” also accuses some “Team Mathis” supporters of just being “Mathis himself under an alias.” I guess that’s another line he took straight from the playbook.
(There is also an e-mail exchange that Miles published on his site with a physicist working in private industry who seems very satisfied with the guidance Miles provided and the theories that informed it. And another e-mail with a different scientist who lauds his work. You could argue that those e-mail exchanges are just fabricated. I suppose they could be, but if not that counts as two more “experts in the field” who validate his work. They could all be wrong, I suppose, but it would be lying to say his work is appreciated only by dilettantes.)
Of course it would be hypocritical of me to condemn “Robert’s” appeal to authority and then suggest to you that you should believe in the validity of Miles’ work due to the support of these experts. I only list these examples as a rebuttal to “Robert’s” argument that Miles has no support from experts. It simply isn’t true. But here, as with anything else concerned with matters of truth, you ultimately have to trust your own judgment. (Although I admit that when I was struggling to trust my own judgment about his work, this support from people with training in the field helped me make up my mind. That and the shills coming out of the woodwork to attack and ridicule him in the most dishonest and childish ways.)
In light of “Robert’s” comparison to other “oddball” scientists, we also have to consider the very real possibility that some or much of anti-mainstream science is created by the mainstream in order to be easily debunked. The obvious example is Flat Earth. Another example can be found with some of the worst arguments about 9/11—arguments which seem to have been planted deliberately as low-hanging fruit for the debunkers to pick in order to discredit all skepticism about 9/11. In the case of the planted alternative scientific theories, the conclusion is, “See there is nothing wrong with mainstream science; oh and look what will happen to your career and credibility if you dare to question it. Really now, how could you have listened to someone with such a poorly designed website?” Here I’ll quote from Miles’ recent outing of the Electric Universe project (aka Thunderbolts):
“It now looks to me like the Thunderbolts are just a continuation of the old Velikovsky con. They hook you by admitting what you already know: the upper levels of the mainstream are composed of a bunch of liars and frauds, and textbook physics is little more than an embarrassing edifice of fudged math and bad theory. Using real plasma physics as ballast, they then cobble together an electric universe replacement for the old tinkertoy gravity model, and you feel like you have made some progress. But your progress is illusory, because the Thunderbolts were created to fail. Not only are their theories shallow and extremely limited, but they are purposely created to self-destruct upon any serious reading. Compared to me, these guys are one-trick ponies, who keep publishing the same ten sentences over and over. In 40 years, they haven’t solved a single actual problem. Conversely, in less than half the time, I have solved hundreds of major problems in physics back to the time of Euclid. While these bozos are wasting their time in conferences and chatrooms and Youtube videos, I am solving new problems, doing all the math and theory from the ground up.” [I should point out that Miles also offered a substantive critique of Thunderbolts several years ago.]
Then “Robert” links to a cluesforum thread on the Stephen Hawking hoax along with the accusation that Miles cribbed it – meaning he simply stole their work and passed it off as his own. I encourage you to go to that link. You will see some vague (and also unoriginal) discussion about Stephen Hawking being a hoax, along with almost zero evidence — just a lot of speculation. In fact, the two videos the original poster linked to are completely ridiculed by the forum members. And then on the 3rd page someone links to Miles’s work and the thread suddenly starts to take off with a lot of people presenting additional evidence, etc. Someone even posts the picture with Hawking’s big front bottom teeth sticking out, which appeared in Miles’ paper though they give no credit (if anything, they are the ones cribbing his work). Notice too that Shack tries to spin it to one of his ridiculous over-the-top theories by saying that Stephen Hawking is some kind of animatronic puppet. [By the way, for some reason people find it spooky that Miles Mathis is MM and Simon Shack is SS. But recall that Simon Shack is a pseudonym for Simon Hytten, so his initials aren’t SS.]
In any event, I don’t recall Miles ever saying the idea of Hawking being some kind of a hoax was original to him. But he does claim to have offered a decisive analysis, and in that I agree, especially if you compare his paper to that thread. On top of that, you also get from Miles what you don’t get from anybody at cluesforum: a very penetrating insight into why the hoax was perpetrated – an explanation that follows the conclusions he reached from over a decade of picking apart mainstream scientific bullshit (but then also reconstructs it without simply throwing up his hands and declaring that all science is bullshit).
Go, Team Mathis, Go!
People like “Robert” always try to sell you an inverted version of reality where white is black and up is down. In his telling, “Miles Mathis” is surrounded by a posse of flunkies who place their made-up hero on a pedestal and are always standing at the ready to shout down criticism and close ranks: a “web-brigade of friends [who] can shove [his work] down people’s throats in comment-threads far and wide;” “cyber-friends [who] charge into any forum and defend their guy tooth and nail.”
In “Robert’s” topsy-turvy version of reality, criticism of Miles on comment threads “far and wide” will be quickly shut down. My experience has actually been the opposite. Outside the realm of PoM, whenever I bring up Miles’ work, it almost always brings people out of nowhere immediately who try to discredit or dismiss him and his work. Even on a forum like Reddit’s conspiracy subreddit or fakeologist (just look at the comments on the black frosting post). And this is especially true with his scientific work. In fact, it was this experience I had on several occasions that helped to convince me that he was legit: If random, anonymous people were appearing out of nowhere trying to convince me that he was wrong using pathetic arguments without any substance, then to my mind it was a good indication that he was really on to something.
Here’s a personal example: when I posted my paper that tries to apply his theories to LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions AKA ‘cold fusion’) at a LENR discussion forum, the reaction was most curious. Within minutes, someone replied with “Pi=4?” The paper I posted made no mention of Pi, and Miles’ papers on Pi are way down at the bottom of his website. So how did he so quickly find, read, digest and refer to it? A few minutes later, somebody posted “Does he really believe that Stephen Hawking died in 1985 and has been played by an impostor since then?” While it’s true that his paper about Hawking does appear on his science site, it is also down towards the bottom. How could somebody so quickly have found and read that paper? It was clear that people were almost immediately chiming in with things that seemed purposefully designed to discredit him; and it was clear they were using ammunition they had at the ready. The other thing about that thread is that many of the people commenting were first-time posters, most of whom would never be heard from again. Now go ahead and look at the commenters on the thread about Miles’ genealogy. How many are first-time posters? A lot.
I quickly came to suspect that the site where I had posted that LENR paper was itself carefully monitored and that shills were being sent in to secure the breach. My first clue actually came when I e-mailed the site owner my paper for submission and he didn’t reply. I then wrote to him in a different comment thread, and he said he never got my e-mail. So I sent him again. He looked for it and said he found both e-mails had been diverted to his trash folder. Not his spam folder. His trash folder. When was the last time somebody sent an e-mail to you that found its way mysteriously to your trash folder? I have never had that happen before or since. That was the first time weird e-mail anomalies happened to me in connection with Miles, especially his physics work, but it would not be the last, and our correspondence has been repeatedly stymied. I know I’m not the only one who has had that problem corresponding with him. He didn’t change his e-mail address for nothing, you know.
I had a somewhat similar experience over at cluesforum when someone started a discussion of his work on Pi. It was just me and Vexman explaining and then defending Miles against an onslaught of substance-free and repetitive criticism, much of it from people who said they joined cluesforum just to chime in to that debate. (I’m not imagining things: to become a cluesforum member you have to submit a statement about why you’re joining, and IIRC at least two people stated that was their reason for joining.)
I’ll give you another example. Here is an entry on what appears to be a very obscure blog from July 31, 2013. A scarce 3 hours after the post went up, the “criticism” starts and just keeps rolling in. People appearing out of the woodwork to bash Miles and his work. Some of it really puerile, like: “Miles is out of his mind. He might think that there is a god but he is just a child. If this artist ever sees a 25 feet tall man walking to his house he would think that this 25 feet tall man was a real thing. So do people who take L.S.D. think. So we now know that this Miles Mathis is just a drug taker. Hey Miles. You could just smoke some pot and get high and see what is not real.” Um, okay…
Yes, there are supporters in the comments, but most of them arrived quite late to the party, probably after doing a web search for Miles Mathis, which is how I found that blog (on the 3rd page of google results). But supporters are still heavily outnumbered by denouncers.
This Quora post is another example. To my eyes the question seems to have been posed simply a set-up for them to post a derogatory response. And then there is his entry in Rational Wiki, to which Miles replied, with typically perspicacious logic: “If they are right and I am just a deluded crank … why the obvious and pathetic smear campaign? Do you really need to smear deluded cranks? No, logically and rationally, you can ignore deluded cranks, because they are no threat to any real science. Therefore, logically and rationally, the fact that they feel it necessary to slander me with this prominent transparent project is another sign they are threatened.” Ditto for “Robert.”
And no matter where you go on the web, the criticism sounds the same; it has the same form and tone. It rarely addresses substance, or when it does it frames his arguments in a disingenuous way in order to dismiss them or make them sound totally absurd. I have been told on multiple occasions from different commenters that they are in graduate school in math or physics and that they print out his papers and pass them around the department for a laugh. When I first heard that, it made me pause and question myself. But knowing what I do of graduate school life, I found it far fetched. Grad students usually don’t have time for that, and that doesn’t sound like how they unwind. But when I heard it a second time in another place, I realized it’s one of their scripted talking points designed to make you feel like you yourself are a laughingstock for giving his work any credence.
What’s the Point?
One of the things that is clearly lacking from “Robert’s” hatchet job is what he thinks is the point of this physics psy-op. (The same can be said for Kevin’s piece on Miles’ genealogy.) Is it merely a Waste Our Time™ strategy as “Robert” suggests? If it is, I’d say it’s failing badly. First of all, most people don’t even bother trying to read it because they feel it is ‘above their pay grade.’ So right off the top it wastes exactly zero time for most people. Some people start reading it but find they either don’t understand it or disagree with it, so they stop reading. So it doesn’t waste much of their time. And then there are those of us like myself, Vexman, Jared and many others who feel that the profound and penetrating insights into the physical world we have gained are well worth the time we invested. Do you feel you’ve wasted your time reading Miles’ conspiracy work, or do you, like me, feel you have gained profound and penetrating insights into history and politics and strategies of rule?
You might counter by saying the putative “Miles Mathis project” is the same as the Electric Universe gambit, a way to steer critics of mainstream science down a dead-end alley. Well if that’s the case, then Miles certainly doesn’t act like someone who is trying to build a following. “Robert” finds it inexplicable that Miles never joins the discussion on a physics forum devoted to him in order to have his “huge” ego stroked. But he fails to point out what is really inexplicable: if Miles was the face of some larger project aimed to divert these people into a dead end, wouldn’t he (or someone on the committee pretending to be him) get down in the trenches to rally the troops? I think the answer is obviously yes. And yet, Miles certainly doesn’t seem eager to rally the troops or recruit as many people as possible into his camp. Remember that the Electric Universe folks spend their time in conferences and chatrooms and Youtube videos. If this was a committee running a project, you’d at least think that someone would be assigned to hob nob with the hoi polloi as Miles’ internet persona. But he doesn’t seem to be trying to make friends or enlist allies, as anybody who has e-mailed him is keenly aware. He ran a few physics conferences, capped at 8 guests, but has discontinued those as far as I know. That’s about the extent of it.
And speaking of those conferences, didn’t Mark attend the last one in 2016? That’s actually how I was first drawn to PoM. As somebody whose thinking has been profoundly influence by Miles’ work (both physics and history) I had been feeling ‘alone in the wilderness’ because I could find nowhere to discuss his work in a friendly environment. Everywhere I turned was a shill-fest. Then I stumbled on Mark’s comments in the fakeologist comments on ‘black frosting’ that I linked to above. Aha! Here was someone defending Mathis against charges (which were absurd to my mind) that he was just a fabricated identity fronting a committee. A quick google search on Mark’s name brought me to PoM. (There was someone else on that thread, Brandon, who had also attended and later sent me some pictures from the conference. He also defended Miles against charges of spookhood.)
I won’t rehash my brief history with PoM here. I will say that at first I was delighted to find a group of like-minded people who seemed to admire Miles’ work and take it seriously. So I find it very surprising to see Mark publishing this latest piece. He was there for four days at a conference where people were discussing Miles’ work in physics. Did Miles seem like he was working from prepared notes? Did it seem like the questions he got were planted or that he hemmed and hawed or found it difficult to answer them? Or did it instead seem like he was spontaneously relating knowledge he understood at a deep level, as if he himself had come up with those ideas himself? Was there any hint or indication that the physics work was not of his own creation? And again, if you were fronting this psyop, why would you open your house up to a bunch of strangers to ask you questions about an immense corpus of physics papers unless you felt you could answer them and discuss the work competently and confidently? That doesn’t sound like something a clown would do. Maybe a high-wire trapeze artist, but not a clown.
And speaking of artists, let’s not forget that before Miles started writing on physics, he was writing scathing critiques of modern art and artists and art critics. That the CIA has exclusively promoted modern art during the 20th century (and that their plutocrat masters have profited handsomely from that promotion) is well known. It is not even ‘conspiracy theory’ anymore, since the CIA has admitted their promotion. So are they also behind his critiques of modern art? Why? And if not, why would they choose Miles of all people as a vehicle for their scientific pastiche?
And so again I ask: if Miles’ work on science is the product of an elaborate psyop, what is the point of it? All I hear are crickets.
Coda
I have been corresponding with Miles by e-mail for a little over two years now. Part of my conclusion that he is genuine comes from the texture of those e-mails, which is something that is inherently difficult to relate. One thing that stands out was that when I sent him my paper on Gandhi, he wrote back saying that he had sent it to a friend of his who was from India, and conveyed to me his friend’s reactions. Later when I posted the work on cluesforum, I would learn that the friend he was referring to was none other than Gopi (who commented on my post, identifying himself as Miles’ “Indian friend”). You will remember that Gopi is the guy with the PhD in physics who had sought out Miles’ scientific advice and traveled to Taos on at least two occasions. Does that sounds like the way a big psyop is run? You may say it’s all part of an elaborate charade. Fine. But I don’t think so. There are many other things I could detail from our e-mail conversations, but this rebuttal is already getting long enough, and anyway I do respect Miles’ right to confidentiality when it comes to our e-mail correspondence.
I should add that Miles knows who I am and where I live, and that is part of the reason he does not entirely trust me. In fact, early on in our correspondence he said he thought I was running a project on him and nearly cut off contact. At some point I asked myself, if he himself was running a project, why would he be so suspicious of me? Wouldn’t he try to enlist any and all possible allies to misdirect them down a dead-end limited hangout? Of course you might think that I’m making all this up and that I’m in cahoots with him and a ranking member of the Miles Mathis committee. And I guess writing this defense will only serve as confirmation of that. I don’t know what I can say to change your mind, but I will point out that it doesn’t make a lot of sense to have Miles discover a worldwide conspiracy controlled by Jews who promote Zionism, and then assign him a sidekick who is Jewish and lives in Israel. It doesn’t exactly add to his credibility, now does it? And he has told me he has lost supporters for publishing my work. (For the record: I grew up in the US in a non-Zionist reform Jewish household and am decidedly not a Zionist nor do I believe in Judaism. I live in Israel because my wife was born here. And no, I’m not his sidekick).
Frankly, I cannot say that I begrudge him his mistrust. From his perspective, I can see how the red flags stack around me (though I don’t come from wealth and nobody in my family has been involved in intelligence work or anything like that). But as Miles wrote in his paper on PoM:
“It would be unfair to ditch [Josh] just because he is Jewish. Some people have claimed I jump to conclusions, but I don’t. I require a high level of evidence in everything I look at. Once I get to that level, I can make a fast decision, but I don’t proceed on hunches. Like anyone else, I start with hunches, but I don’t travel on them. I travel on a compilation of facts. Honestly, Josh is the toughest call I have had to make in my short career as a Truther. He admitted from the start he was in Israel, and my gut reaction was to dump him based only on that. Given what I have been discovering, the odds were very high he was trying to run some sort of confidence trick on me. However, odds don’t always pan out. Odds can give you a hunch, but they can’t provide a final decision. In Josh’s favor he has written two long and well researched papers on Gandhi and Dreyfus, in neither of which could I find any spin. They were good enough to publish, and I published them.”
So ask yourself: do you have enough facts at hand to conclude Miles is a limited hangout or the front for some kind of intelligence psyop? I myself have a lot of facts and evidence to suggest the opposite. Just because he has reached a different conclusion than you on the subject of the occult, or elite pedophilia, or transvestites, or chemtrails, or whatever doesn’t mean he is trying to direct people’s attention away from that. It just means he has a different opinion. To quote again from his paper on PoM: “Not everyone I disagree with is perforce an agent.” Plus, it’s not as if there isn’t a ton of other people covering those other topics, right? So why would Intelligence want to (mis)direct people away from those theories, which they appear in fact to be so heavily promoting? I believe he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
And if Miles is misdirecting or is a limited hangout, does that mean we should dismiss his entire corpus of work? That’s the implication we get, where “Robert” tells us it means that we can get some of our heroes back, even transparent propagandists like George Orwell. What? First of all, if Miles is a limited hangout, that means he has offered much good material along with false or misleading stuff. That’s how LH’s work, remember? So it’s quite a leap of logic there. You would want, I think, to go through and state exactly where you think he’s right and where you think he’s misdirecting so you don’t make the mistake of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But “Robert” would have you believe that if Miles is a false guru, then the other gurus he has outed as false are actually real. Again, what? Look, if you want to reclaim a hero, you don’t have to prove to yourself that Miles is misdirecting. Just go back to whatever paper they appear in and figure out if and how Miles was wrong. You’d have to do that even if you think Miles is intentionally leading us astray.
In closing, I want to point out that “Robert” also claims that Kevin Starr’s recent piece on Miles’ genealogy shows us that “Mathis lies.” That’s funny, I don’t remember Kevin showing that in his paper at all. He asserts a couple of times that Miles has been disingenuous in hiding things he “must have known” about his ancestors, but has nothing to substantiate it with. In other words, Kevin doesn’t show that Mathis lies, he claims it. But through “Robert’s” alchemical sophistry, empty claims have somehow turned into convincing demonstrations. I for one, am not falling for it.
Update: Miles has a few cutting remarks to add in the latest addendum to his earlier response about his genealogy. And Vexman has now chimed in as well.
Later update: Mark Tokarski promises that more hit pieces are on the way. And I promise not to respond to them. This one took way too much time to compose as it is. I refuse to be baited into losing any more time on this subject. And anyway, judging from what I’ve seen so far I can already tell that whatever they have to say will be “not even wrong.” Just a lot of jealous bluster and disingenuous patter.
One thing I will say: I have never complained about not being able to comment over there. I simply pointed to the absurd hypocrisy of starting a blog whose purpose is “discussion” (it’s in the name of the blog for crying out loud!) and yet to forbid discussion. I believe this is the same point Miles is making, where he has seen on more than one occasion where discussion about his work has been shut down on forums that were created for discussion. But if your site was never created to allow discussion in the first place (see e.g., www.mileswmathis.com), then there is no hypocrisy, is there?
Also note the reason Mark gives for closing down discussion: “Team Mathis sits outside the gate waiting to be let in, and once that happens this blog will become a moonscape littered with debris.” Why is that? First off note the topsy-turvy depiction of reality. He gives you the impression that the site is being circled by Team Mathis jackals who will flood the gates once comments are enabled. But if you look at the comments of the genealogy post at the “discussion” site before they were shut down, it runs very much in favor of Kevin. Roughly 3 to 1 if not more, depending on whether you count posters or posts. No, the reason it would become a moonscape is because “Team Mathis” has the better of it and would continue to tear apart the “arguments” of the other side, littering the comments section with the debris of demolished sophistry, obliterated fallacies and dismembered straw men. Like in every other case where a discussion board has shut down discussion of Miles’ work, it is an act of desperation.
I could care less if Mark doesn’t allow discussion at any of his sites. I certainly won’t be commenting at any of them in the future even if he does open the gates. In fact it would be better if he didn’t allow comments, since he has allowed a once disciplined comment section at PoM to turn into a complete shill fest.
I turned off comments on this particular post since I did not want to be baited into wasting more of my time on it. I know my weaknesses. One of them is the urge to respond to disingenuous, poorly reasoned criticism about things I care deeply about, like, you know, the truth. So the only way to protect myself from that weakness is to close comments. It’s the same reason why I don’t keep any sweets in the house, either, since I know I won’t be able to resist. Will power is not my strong suit, and this second update is a testament to that. However, the comments on all the other entries in this blog are still active. And as always you can contact me directly via the contact page if you wish to pick up the gauntlet.
Further update: I woke up this morning with the realization that it was a mistake to close comments here. I knew that it might give the impression that I, too, am afraid of criticism and counter-arguments, whereas in fact I simply didn’t want to be bothered swatting flies. But the realization I had this morning is that the arguments on the other side are so bad that they defeat themselves. I don’t even need to respond. So I’m taking this as an exercise in self-control. Maybe it will even help me kick-start my diet. So I’ve opened comments — have at it! But keep it civil.
Update May 22: I’ve been meaning to get to this for awhile. Apparently after seeing that their attack on Miles (the one I responded to above) failed to land any punches or be taken seriously be all thinking people, they followed up by doubling down on some even more ridiculous, illogical and libelous accusations. These include the accusation that Miles is either a pedophile or a pederast who agreed to act as a front for TPTB in exchange for an easier sentence, namely house arrest. On top of that Miles is accused of having taken naked pictures of a young girl and put them in a book that he keeps in his house. At the same time they also accuse him of being homosexual, so go figure. The whole thing is beyond ridiculous. It is easy to look up people who have been convicted of sex crimes. I’ve done it. Miles isn’t on the list. Nor does he have a criminal record. That is also easy to confirm. You would have thought the snakes at PoM would have done that before posting such accusations and opening themselves to a libel suit, but as Miles has lamented, “How do you sue Intelligence?” I remember somebody once insinuated to Mark that his brother had probably been a pedophile since he was a Catholic priest. He was fit to be tied. But apparently it’s OK to accuse others of that based on zero evidence. The whole thing is really sickening.
And as for the book, well, of course they don’t let convicted sex offenders keep naked pictures of little girls around, do they? On top of that we have heard from Brandon, who attended the last conference that Miles hosted in 2016. Miles showed the “Tess Book” to Brandon on the last day of the conference, and Brandon says the pictures and paintings in the book are innocent and fully clothed. You can find many of them on Miles’ website and judge for yourself if they look sexualized in any way. How do we know Brandon was really at the conference, you ask? Because he sent a pictures he took of Miles sitting around a table at a restaurant flanked by conference attendees, including none other than Mark Tokarski.
With respect to house arrest, Mark was at the conference and left the house with Miles to go out to lunch on several occasions. If anybody should know that Miles isn’t on house arrest, it’s Mark. If anybody should know that Miles isn’t wearing an electronic monitoring ankle bracelet, it’s Mark. Why he would allow these absurd accusations to appear on his site is something I can’t explain. Maybe he’s still out to lunch.
I won’t bother responding to the rest of the stupidity with which they’ve padded their attack, but I will counter the whole thing with an equally plausible theory: I believe John Candy faked his death, lost some weight, dyed his hair, and re-emerged a few years later as the persona known as “Mark Tokarski.” They’re about the same age. And it would explain the Zamboni parked in front of his house on Google Earth satellite photos. Also note their striking resemblance and the way their ears, teeth, chin and nose match up. It’s a million-to-one shot, doc, million-to-one! Remember folks, face-chops don’t lie, only people do:
[Edit: It has come to my attention that some people aren’t getting the joke. They think I’m actually arguing that John Candy faked his death and was reassigned to the persona of Mark Tokarski. I am not. I am trying to make a point about the absurdity of the attacks against Miles by making an equally absurd argument about Mark. The inside joke here is that Mark used to use this same method where would take two famous people and line up their faces in this way. His hypothesis was that many of the old rockers and famous people from the 60’s or later faked their deaths and then were later re-assigned to a different role. So Janis Joplin became Amy Goodman, Jimmy Hendrix became Cornell West, Freddie Mercury became Dr. Phil, etc. etc. It says something about Mark’s discernment, which in turn tells us something about the merits of his recent decision to turn against Miles. The Candy-Tokarski “face chop” is a parody. It isn’t even original to me; I took it from here.]
Update May 26: In a separate post, I have collated information on the amount of people who visited and viewed this post in the first two weeks, as well as their countries of origin. I have also collated the supportive comments from this post and put them together here.
Update June 13: I am reprinting here a slightly edited version of my response to Allan Weispecker’s “open letter,” which he published on his blog in March 2017. I am also including some additional material from comments I have made here and elsewhere. He does not allow comments there, so I posted this originally in the comments at fakeologist (which devoted a post to the open letter), and also e-mailed to Allan, following which we had a brief back-and-forth over e-mail. Allan said he would correct the obvious errors that I pointed out in his original open letter, but since Allan is not a man of his word nor someone to be trusted, he of course never did. I am not going to link to his original letter nor to my response, but they can easily be found with google.
Allan showed up at some point in comments on this post, claiming that nobody had ever responded to his open letter, which of course was a lie. So why am I posting this now? Well the blog was just hit with a tsunami of trollish comments that refer back to some of Weispecker’s arguments. Although I don’t take these trolls seriously, I am adding this as a way of showing that they are full of shit. They claim nobody has ever responded to their points, but that’s false. They are deliberately lying. I am also adding this so that nobody can come to the comments section making the claims that they do. So without further ado, here is my original letter with some minor edits plus additional material:
I find your crusade against Miles to be misguided. And frankly many of your arguments just don’t wash. Now if I wanted to follow your method I’d say that because I find many of your arguments specious, it means you’re trying to use NLP to convince me that Miles is an LH when he’s really not. But I chalk it up to sour grapes. You wanted to come to Miles’s conference and he slammed the door in your face, so to speak. He said you’d ask questions no one would want to hear and be disruptive. So in the first case he doesn’t find what you do very interesting, which has got to sting. And as for being disruptive, well, you did write a book about yourself called “Can’t You Get Along with Anyone?” Is it any wonder he might think you’d be hard to get along with?
So let’s take a look at your arguments against him, starting with the weakest one, which appears in Part 2 of your open letter:
As background, it should be noted that you boasted that you don’t post much but when you do “it’s on the money.” You said that his “Paper Updates” are identical to the previous drafts. “In other words, his boasting on new information is totally bogus.” I literally did a face palm when I read that. The reason they are identical is that both the original links and the updated links point to the same document. You see, he doesn’t put up a new document with a new name for each update. He simply updates the paper, saves it with the same name, and uploads the new document as a replacement for the old one. So when you click on the original document, it links you to the updated one. You do understand how these things work, don’t you? Yes, you should. You seem to be pretty computer savvy. Plus, if you’ve ever read through one of his papers before the update (as I have on many occasions), then after the update, you can very clearly see the new information (which he always puts in [brackets] with the date of the update).
Now, if I were to use your “method” of deduction, I would say something like this: there is no possible way that this Allan character (or whoever the jokers are on the Weisbecker committee) could have made this mistake. He’s (they’re?) always telling us how careful he is and how it takes him forever to post because he waits until he’s absolutely sure and “on the money.” Plus he’s obviously very savvy with computers, having edited many videos on his own computer. He has his own website! This can’t possibly be an honest mistake. There is no way he could be that completely and utterly stupid. He’s clearly using deceit and NLP to make us think that Miles is deceiving us on that. No, it’s obvious to me now (although it took me awhile to suck in my gut and admit it to myself), that he’s LH. But why? Why the bald-faced lies?
Almost all of your other criticism chalks up to: I don’t agree with him or I think his argument is specious, therefore he is using NLP and trying to misdirect. Can you see how the conclusion doesn’t really follow from the premises? What a non sequitur it is? (Miles tried to show you that in his “beautiful logic” response to you [“Because I don’t know everything I am a limited hangout? Beautiful logic.”], but it obviously didn’t sink in.)
See, I just caught you lying to your readers, didn’t I? You seem to think Miles is infallible and therefore any sign of fallibility is clearly a sign of misdirection. That’s a pretty high bar and one that you’ve just hit your head on in an unforced error, ya dingus! Or rather I should say, you lying hypocrite!
You say that he must know why the JFK assassination was hoaxed, and is just misdirecting on the reasons why. Again, it’s a non sequitur. Why should he know? You might disagree with his argument about the motives for it (as I do), but that doesn’t mean he’s trying to misdirect. In all your flailing and finger-pointing, did you offer us a better idea of what the motive is? Instead of just saying: “I disagree, here’s why, and here’s a better hypothesis” all you can do is shout “NLP!” and dance around pointing fingers.
The real irony, though, is that you take his inability to provide a convincing motive for the JFK assassination as evidence of misdirection, while you yourself offer up not a single argument about what Miles’s motives are in his misdirection. You say his genealogy work is bunk and his focus on Jews is unimportant. So if you think he’s pointing us in the wrong direction, can you tell us what he’s misdirecting us away from? Or, as you did with Corbett, what lies he is trying to get us to unthinkingly accept? If you’re so far ahead of us, why don’t you tell us what his motive is? And if you can’t or if I disagree with you, then by your standards that means you must be a LH.
Same thing with your arguments about what you call his “guilt by association” tactics, his “faulty” inferences about genealogy, and most of your other criticisms as well. You’re grasping at straws, which you take as “big clues,” and then have the temerity to say that Miles is a LH because he does the same. It would be far more constructive, and in my view, to engage in a substantive critique. It is actually possible to disagree with someone and tell them “I think you’re wrong about this” without saying “therefore you’re obviously an LH engaged in NLP.” That would actually be far more interesting. And mature.
As for your assetion that Clues Forum is in cahoots with Miles: I agree with you that CF is a limited hangout and part of what I call “operation fantasy land.” Flat Earth is part of operation fantasy land. So is the CF position that rockets don’t work in a vacuum. But your attacks on them are completely irrelevant to Miles. What, because you don’t agree with their criticism of Miles it’s evidence that they are colluding with him? Come on! They have trashed him and his work every which way and left. By the way, your time would be better spent reading Miles’s work on physics than coming up with a hatful of specious and tenuous (and disingenuous?) arguments for why he’s an LH.
Your pinpointing of his British-isms is very tenuous. Yes, it’s true that you wouldn’t expect someone from Texas to use those colloquialisms, but the words “nobody from Texas would” could be used to describe most other things about Miles. He’s very unique, to say the least. And not just for a Texan. If you’ve read his poetry, you will see that he has a very broad vocabulary. So I don’t find it impossible to believe that he peppers his language with British slang. And if he has spent time with British people in the past, he might have picked up on a few expressions. It seems to me to be just as plausible that it is a quirk—even if he is from Texas.
[Here I’m going to add parts of my response to a troll named “Ricky” who brought up the Britishisms in a comment, which is also something the latest wave of trolls are coming back to:
“Alright folks, we’ve got a live one here. His IP address pins him to Arlington or Alexandra, VA, which is of course spitting distance from Langley. And he uses a non-existent e-mail address….
Miles later wrote to me about [the Britishisms] in an e-mail, which I will share here:
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“I don’t feel like I have to explain everything to trolls, and most times prefer not to answer them, but on the topic of my “Britishisms”, it is really no different than my occasional use of French or Latin. I know this stuff, so I sometimes insert it as color. I do that less than I used to, one because some readers see it as showing off and two because others see it as chaff. They don’t know these things and don’t want to look anything up. The Britishisms are somewhat different, because I use them for a slightly different reason. I usually use them to avoid American obscenities, since–being foreign–they seem slightly less raw. Some of my readers complain any time I use the word shit or fuck, and shite just seems to me to be a one-step tone down, for example. To my ear, it is a little less raw and a little more funny, just because it is British. Maybe that is just me.
“I did live in Europe and hang with Brits, so these words did jump in my bag, so to speak. The other thing is that I have read a lot, as anyone can tell, and that reading has been heavy with British novels, going back centuries. Also, I wrote the Lord of the Rings sequel, putting it as far as possible into British English, down to the spellings, in order to match the feel of Tolkien. Some of that rubbed off, like the way I usually put final quotation marks inside the period, for instance. In some cases, the British usage makes more sense to me, and I have never understood why American final quotes are hanging outside the period. But since I am not anal about this stuff, it can vary depending on my mood. I get emails from people bothered by this, but I just ignore it. If, given all my content, they wish to talk about that, I can’t be bothered.”
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Well, to his credit he can’t be baited into wasting his time responding to these idiotic “arguments,” but I can unfortunately. What he said rings true to me, because I can relate: I had an advisor in grad school who was Australian, and some of his expressions have rubbed off on me. I still find myself using them some 15 years after graduating. Words like “reckon,” “wombat,” “get stuffed,” and “dingus,” As in: “I reckon you’re a right dingus, ‘Ricky.’ Get stuffed, you wombat.”]
<Back to my original response:>
One more thing: you repeat again and again in the Part II post that nobody on the Clues Forum thread addressed your argument about the microphone shadow. (Frankly I’m still confused about what your argument is as to why he didn’t point that out.) But that’s also a lie. In that thread I responded to your specious argument about his “impossible” word count, and in this comment I specifically responded to your shadow argument:
“And as for the microphone shadow, I’m not convinced you’re right, mainly because it’s a bit difficult to say exactly what position the mic is in. If you look at the shadow cast by Jack Ruby, it goes behind him and to the right. Well the shadow is also behind the mic and to the right. The angle looks a little off, but it’s hard to say for sure given that the location of the mic vis-a-vis the lights is hard to triangulate. But if it’s off, it’s only a little bit off. Maybe MM didn’t answer you because he also didn’t think you were right.
“If you’re right, then it’s hard to say why someone would have added that in there. Your conclusion is that it is a sign that the clues pointing towards a hoax were placed deliberately for us to think the event was hoaxed when in fact it was real. In other words, you’re saying the hoax is a hoax. I suppose it’s possible, but I doubt it. If it was indeed pasted in, I would guess it’s one of those little details they’ve added to troll us. They love trolling us.”
Do you realize how badly you’ve torpedoed your credibility with these demonstrably false accusations? Why should anybody believe any claim you make if you can’t get basic facts straight? Or as you would say: Your claim that nobody ever addressed the microphone shadow is another lie. But why, Allan, why the bald-faced lie?
I could go on and enumerate other problems with your argument and provide you will all the other evidence I have and reasons I believe that he is NOT an LH. (Though of course I cannot rule out the possibility). I could also go on and dissect your arguments to expose the “hidden” workings of your NLP. But I think I’ve made my point, and I’ve got better things to do.
[That’s the end of my response, but I want to add something else. If you look at the video coverage of the Oswald ‘assassination,’ you’ll see that there are bright flood lights in front of the scene from different angles. This means that the camera flash was not the only thing lighting this scene. I just went back to the JFK paper to look again at the picture in question and found this addendum Miles added to the JFK paper in February: More indication of that was found by other researchers after I published this paper. Although I used very little of the research of others in compiling this paper originally, a small amount of good research has come out afterwards, possibly in response to my findings. A YouTube video posted by Amy Joyce in 2017 compares the still photos to the films, tracking the camera flashes. She finds flashes for the photos of Jack Beers and others, but none for the iconic Bob Jackson photo above. I will be told he shot without a flash, but we can see that isn’t true. The shadows we see are from a flash, since they are cast directly backwards. If he had been relying on the lights above, the shadows would cast down. This means the event was run at least twice, which explains the discontinuities I find just below.]
Now nobody can come a callin’ parroting Weispecker and claiming in good faith that his points haven’t been addressed. They may not find it satisfactory, but if so they should say why. Therefore it is with a clean consciences I can say that henceforth, ANY comment that repeats Allan’s specious arguments without substantively addressing my response or Miles’ addendum–and especially any claims that Allan’s points haven’t been addressed–will be deleted. It’s that simple.
I’ll try to state it a little more simply:
I know who he was related to but my question is: What did Samuel Clemens himself DO that was bad?
(BTW, I’m not defending or criticizing anyone. I am just asking because I don’t know the answer to the above question.)
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Took up a place , that a more naturally talented writer ( not from the Families ) could occupy . Like a Bill Nye takes a place in the public eye that has been denied a more deserved science mind ( Miles ) .
Was ” Imagine no nepotism ” part of Lennon’s lyrics ?
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OK, so you’re saying that Clemens wasn’t talented so his fame was undeserved? He stole the spotlight from someone more deserving?
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Yes,that was the way I mostly interpreted it and he was a spook. Miles outed him for that reason. If he wasn’t connect to these “families”, he certainly would not have been famous.
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Hmm, I don’t think Samuel Clemens is anything quite like BIll Nye. Clemens at least did SOMETHING. Bill Nye was just a comedian (“Almost Live”, a sketch comedy show that aired after Saturday Night Live up here by Seattle when I was a child) that wore a labcoat. I’m not a fan of Clemens’ writing myself but somebody wrote that stuff and it’s not terrible at least. Some things he writes (or were written for him) aren’t spun and at least make some sense. Everything Nye has done (nothing) is STILL spun.
Want to know how to make a NOTHING spin? Bill Nye.
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One thing Clemens did was misdirect from the Lincoln fake his whole life. As I said before I wrote that paper, he should have had a field day with that fake, if he had been who he is sold as. Instead, he misdirected us into Jumping Frogs and such. As a critic and commenter on the AMerican Way, he could have done what I have done, with much less work–since he was closer to the action. Instead, he mainly acted as a salesman for Americana. He is still sold that way. Yes, he criticized America in some ways, but from our vantage it all now looks pretty anemic.
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I can party with all of that up to a point – I don’t think he could have done what you have done, Miles. Credit where it’s due. I can’t unwind the stuff you have unwound and nobody else here was able to either, and I often feel like I’m still fumbling in the dark for answers. You’re good at what you do; Clemens was mediocre at what he did.
But again, not defending Clemens with a harsh indictment of Nye. I’ve met that phony (as a youngster) and can’t stand his type. Effectively your opposite. It’s one thing to discard old heroes and favorite musicians, and another to bash on fakes. One hurts a little, the other is just clean fun.
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I hope no one mistook my comparison in my comment , my thought was : when someone searches for science , they should get connected to Miles and not one of the pretenders .
Clemens helped sell newspapers which propped up horrible policies that took from the public and gave little back , same as now , only more media outlets .
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When we consider the science portion of Mile’s work , do we even have have comparables ? No ( even Leonardo in my opinion was working for his Family ) , all others were in a compromised position .
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Here is a story you might find interesting: http://memoryholeblog.org/2018/09/20/brittany-maynard-my-undead-niece/
Miles makes an appearance early in the article as the author refers to seeking his photo analysis help and linking to some email back and forth.
If Miles has covered this somewhere, I apologize for the redundancy – still working through all the material.
The blog is run by James Tracy, former prof at Florida Atlantic University. He was fired – even though tenured – for questioning the Sandy Hook story. At least I think that’s the case…
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The question is: Is James Tracy a for-real whistle blower or a conspiracy-theory-poster-boy created by Intel to serve as a target of ridicule?
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That is one of my default questions I ask myself when reading these kind of stories.
This caught my eye toward the bottom of the page:
“Update: here are a few more photos of Brittany, on a tribute my brother’s family sent out in Christmas 2014, and some more. Here’s a much earlier one on a Christmas card sent by my brother’s family in 2001, where I frankly think she was photoshopped in, since her head is too big and she is overexposed. However, it is still a family photo: you will not find it online.) My brother believes Brittany must be dead because the media says so. He has refused to read about what I have discovered and even stopped talking to me, because I did not convey my condolences. In case Brittany reads this, he has told me he still loves her, despite the problems. And of course I love her, too.”
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Indeed. There’s so much fuckery afoot that it’s hard to avoid stepping into some of it. My “trusted sources” registry is fluid, but steadily shrinking.
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the fact that his (Tracy’s) case made “the press” (I seem to recall hearing of it in mass-media outlets) does cast quite the shadow of doubt. You’d think he’d just be ushered out quietly under some other pretense if his story were legit, and wouldn’t get any helping hands from the media highlighting the nature of his dismissal unless he were being set up for some sort of fall and perhaps tag some guilt-by-associations onto some truthful messengers/messages in the process. I’d hate to incriminate the innocent, but it certainly has the feel of an example (phony) case just for everyone to learn to “keep quiet” if you want to keep your job/status etc. I suppose “real” people can kick up a bit of noise, and possibly enough to make it hard to be ignored by the press completely, but then how many tidal waves does Miles need to kick up before he gets a bit of ink in the mainstream?
Interesting and bizarre read about “Maynard”, a blatant and sloppy psy-op any way you read it.
Miles, if you read this I noticed on your repost of the Latin club paper (didn’t catch that one the first time) you mentioning a “biographer” early on. I don’t buy or read many books these days, but I’d read that. Did/will this ever come to fruition? I know you have the scientific books, but those are still likely way over my head at the moment. I try to catch up now and then but it’s not easy after all the years of public school/media brainwashing that intentionally made much of things scientific appear confusing,and or boring/nonsensical/pointless (to many of us I’m sure) to the point I tuned out early on and never took the interest I would have otherwise during those important developmental years.
A biography or autobiography sounds like a (blacklisted of course) best seller waiting to happen, although I’m sure it would take some work to find trustworthy methods/help to get it printed/sold/distributed and perhaps “crowdfunded” or whatever. I dunno maybe it would be a distraction from more important things, but I hope one does eventually appear, such a book could also turn out to be something pretty important.
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derp, it now dawns on me the “biographer” was in reference to the short bio on-site which I read but I guess had slipped my mind, At any rate I still say that could do with some expanding, and updating, and preferrably in Miles’ own words
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The biography you’re thinking of is merely the BIO section on his main website: http://mileswmathis.com/bio.html . This was written by his ex-wife, I believe, and is not the type of biography that you’re thinking of. I think he originally wrote it for friends who would visit his websites and over time it became useful to introduce himself as his readership expanded. I think it’s quite an endearing little snippet, if I do say so myself.
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Hi Anti-Jive. I enjoy your contributions here and hope you keep at it, but would also urge you to take the leap into his science papers. Don’t be intimidated – he nullifies the scariness for us with his usual humorous-but-scathing writing style.
If you’re not ready for the math stuff (which is almost entirely just algebra with simple, clearly-labeled variables), try this one.
“Why Does a Rainbow Curve Down?”
http://milesmathis.com/rainbow.html
It’s a logical analysis and very keen, and after I read it I can see it in every rainbow now. It’s still fascinating and if anything, even more beautiful than before. I have a tendency towards heliotheism in a poetic (not prayerful) kind of way, and this paper still makes me grin every time I read it. 🙂
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thanks Jared, I’ve read the rainbow one and enjoyed it as well, I’ve read a few others and do plan to keep diving into more of them, cheers.
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You won’t regret it; I’ve come to appreciate them as much as the counter-critical ones. They are just as ground-breaking.
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I meant future biographers, I think, and whenever I say that it is somewhat tongue in cheek. I also include comments like that to piss off my critics, who of course believe I will never be worthy of biographers.
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I believe you already are, Miles.
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Possibly my favorite excerpt from your Bio page:
“There is a daemon lurking and they now know it.”
Nary a more apt endorsement to be found, in my world. 🙂
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I watched a film based on Gulliver’s Travels on my dvd player last night. And this made me seek out the book once more.
‘I was chiefly disgusted with modern history. For having strictly examined all the persons of greatest name in the courts of princes, for a hundred years past, I found how the world had been misled by prostitute writers, to ascribe the greatest exploits in war, to cowards; the wisest counsel, to fools; sincerity, to flatterers; Roman virtue, to betrayers of their country; piety, to atheists; chastity, to sodomites; truth, to informers: how many innocent and excellent persons had been condemned to death or banishment by the practising of great ministers upon the corruption of judges, and the malice of factions: how many villains had been exalted to the highest places of trust, power, dignity, and profit: how great a share in the motions and events of courts, councils, and senates might be challenged by bawds, whores, pimps, parasites, and buffoons. How low an opinion I had of human wisdom and integrity, when I was truly informed of the springs and motives of great enterprises and revolutions in the world, and of the contemptible accidents to which they owed their success.
Here I discovered the roguery and ignorance of those who pretend to write anecdotes, or secret history; who send so many kings to their graves with a cup of poison; will repeat the discourse between a prince and chief minister, where no witness was by; unlock the thoughts and cabinets of ambassadors and secretaries of state; and have the perpetual misfortune to be mistaken. Here I discovered the true causes of many great events that have surprised the world; how a whore can govern the back-stairs, the back-stairs a council, and the council a senate. A general confessed, in my presence, “that he got a victory purely by the force of cowardice and ill conduct;” and an admiral, “that, for want of proper intelligence, he beat the enemy, to whom he intended to betray the fleet.” Three kings protested to me, “that in their whole reigns they never did once prefer any person of merit, unless by mistake, or treachery of some minister in whom they confided; neither would they do it if they were to live again:” and they showed, with great strength of reason, “that the royal throne could not be supported without corruption, because that positive, confident, restive temper, which virtue infused into a man, was a perpetual clog to public business.”’
The Swifts have been outed as crypto-Jews in Salem, Bo, etc papers by Miles, but like 1984, their are still insights to be gleaned from them.
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Hard to hate a guy (Swift) who wrote those words.
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Tupac is loose.
The Sun (of Uk) isn’t much trustworthy, but they bring the story of Tupac’s hiding in Cuba. So the sheep are fed this story and it means it is pretty much official. They probably will have to make some explanation that he needed to go in hiding so badly.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7311148/tupac-shakur-alive-cuba-black-panthers/
The story tells he was sent to Barbados after the false death.
Barbados? What kind of connections does this Tupac have, he who runs on class war and underdog race affiliations? With the slave lords i suppose. Cuba is also a continuate regime from the conquistadors. So much for his naming after the last Inca King.
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Perhaps Tupac Shakur was rightfully named after the last Inca king after all. There was an interesting discussion about the New World “conquista” on the History thread. Here’s the comment about the curiously carefree invasion of the Incan empire, in case you missed it.
https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/07/18/a-brief-history-of-spookery/comment-page-3/#comment-5317
I haven’t read about the Incan Tupacs yet, but the Aztec Montezumas seem to be a pretty clear case, sadly. 😦
https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/07/18/a-brief-history-of-spookery/comment-page-3/#comment-5231
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Yes, I have earlier had to acknowledge that those who have spread Imperial Christianity do actually follow some unlikely threads of their morality. They actually love their enemies. We see they marry over to their targets. But they are likely to explain it using other words than Love.
“Those who you can represent, (misrepresent) you don’t have to fight.”
2pac. From his wiki page we see that he comes up with new albums after his death until 2007. In 11 years they are producing “posthumous” albums. I like rap so little i wouldn’t listen to second of it voluntarily, but i guess its a simple task to analyse the matter in production to verify/reveal its true date.
It would matter to the fans, understanding they are part of a sell-out trick of a false martyr.
The Hendrix family does still come up with new albums, with an incredible ridiculous content as all the rehearsals (guitar only) on some of his famed tunes, but it there is nothing there making me believe Jimi is partaking. Unfortunately.
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Jesus man, the idea that one man can make two conglomerate news papers release articles on the same exact topic just to cover their tracks and trick the search engines, it’s just mind-blowing. First the Guardian and now The Sun? What are the chances that this exact paper is released within 1 day of Miles’ Tupac paper? When’s the last time you saw any mainstream reporting on Tupac’s death? The 90’s? Anyone who claims this is a coincidence is lying to themselves.
I can’t believe he has so much power.
What could possibly be a stronger confirmation? First the Hawking paper, now this? Miles practically OWNS these people at this point.
The dolts slinging “Q” theory and it’s amazing predictive power should pay more attention to Miles, since no military intelligence is feeding him clues. Miles does it all on his own. Amazing that this fake Q though tends to predict things just like Miles, huh? Probably invented this asshole to take the steam from Miles’ papers.
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They must have some monster truth-sniffing software that monitors the web and raises an alarm whenever something true is posted somewhere. Whether it be on a blog or FB or forum or where ever. Then phone calls are made to appropriate media outlets for damage control articles.
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Interesting note toward the bottom of this story:
“Update: here are a few more photos of Brittany, on a tribute my brother’s family sent out in Christmas 2014, and some more. Here’s a much earlier one on a Christmas card sent by my brother’s family in 2001, where I frankly think she was photoshopped in, since her head is too big and she is overexposed. However, it is still a family photo: you will not find it online.) My brother believes Brittany must be dead because the media says so. He has refused to read about what I have discovered and even stopped talking to me, because I did not convey my condolences. In case Brittany reads this, he has told me he still loves her, despite the problems. And of course I love her, too.”
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I’m reading Thai.pdf and noticed some dead (relative) links.
They point to files on an F: drive (local) that are unreachable via the internet.
Can the author (Ruskin?) place these files somewhere and update the paper with the correct links?
I apologize if this is something I’m doing wrong, or if it has already been fixed.
I tried deleting my cache and re-downloading the pdf but the links remain the same as they were for me yesterday.
Thanks!
btw I also noticed a few dead links in some of Miles’ old papers.
I can’t find the notes I made, but if I remember correctly, they were to papers that have been updated and now are named something3.pdf and the links still go to something.pdf.
I know that’s not helpful and I’ll try to find them and email Miles directly, but I thought I might as well mention it while I’m here…
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I noticed this about Thai.pdf as well, it’s pointing towards a local hard drive or something.
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More on Olof Palmes fake murder case:
For those who didnt read the original paper : https://parnassen.wordpress.com/2017/05/26/teatermordet-pa-olof-palme-sossarna-seglar-med-lik-i-lasten/
The case is large with lots of misdirecting pointers by the press. Many may not be convinced yet. But as we have had no look at his family, i found this page, where we clearly see that Olof is no ordinary Swede, but belongs to our typical study material.
https://www.scribd.com/document/159499464/OLOF-PALMES-SLAKT-NAZISMEN-BANKERNA-TJUVARNA
Of the highlights from the text I find Olofs grandfather (father of his mother), Johann Carl Woldemar von Knieriem, 1849-1935, jewish professor in agronomy, headmaster at Riga polytechnic school (Latvia). Pupils at this school later laid the groundwork for the pan-Germanic race-ideology with it’s new socialist party. Of his students we find Alfred Rosenberg, who furthered this ideology into the Nazi party.
Another student was Max Erwin von Scheubner-Richter who is mainly known for being the man behind the Beer Putsch coup or the intel theatre as its best called today. Richter was allegedly shot dead there.
Olufs uncle, brother of his mother, Ottokar von Knierem was director of the Nazi bank (still existing) Dresdner Bank, which was the one Bank whitewashing and clearing all the stolen and confiscated valuables (art, jewelry, businesses and bonds aso) The Nazis wanted to appear respecting private property and ensured by this bank that everything should look fine on paper.
Ottokar was also friends with Felix Kersten who was the private doctor and masseur of Heinrich Himmler – .. https://tobiashubinette.wordpress.com/2015/05/29/palme-von-knieriem-xtremhogern/
Olofs other uncle, Ottokars brother, August von Knierim, was a board member at IG Farben the Nazi collaborator and financial supporters who profited by the use of slavery. Saved from capital punishment at Nurnberg after pressure from Rockefellers. Usually when IG Farben is mentioned they forget telling it was they who developed and first promoted and sold Heroin as the not addictive opiate.
On his fathers side we find the Palme-Dutt spy web.
A more calm page on Palmes family: http://blogg.slaktingar.se/olof-palmes-internationella-slakt/
This site has also gone through the family of Jimmy Åkesson which is highly needed. He is the leader of the political party SverigeDemokratene (SD) which now are the great hope. He is pretty much the ordinary Swede we need. Only some siblings of his ancestors have been nobled.
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I used Google translate for this link:
https://www.lindelof.nu/mellan-hitler-och-stalin-4-de-glomda-deportationerna-i-estland/
This is their translation:
‘German hatred
Another professor at Tartu University, the Estonian Ants Oras , has given an emotionally aggressive picture of how the esters looked at the displacement of the ballooners in their Battle Shadow over Balticum (1949) **. There was, he writes “No minority who was such a pole in the flesh of our people as the German balls” .’
Google makes people talk ‘bollocks’
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Well it reads – No minority was such a pale into our flesh as the German Baltics.
But I keep wondering how German these balls were. Could they have been as Teutonic as the Teutonic Knights?
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Using google translate, I got very similar results-
Class differences among the balloons
However, Wieselgren believed that for the “poorest” among the ballooners, the move could have brought economic benefits. This is one of the few occasions in which we are informed about the class differences among the literature. For another of the many myths about the Baltics is that all balloons were either nobility or nazis or both. Therefore their fate has been dealt with in the literature, also by the esters *.
For, as Wieselgren could see, the ball-throats that did not belong to the distinctly Nazi circles blew. For as little as all Finns of Finland are unclean, or all Sudanese were Nazis, the ball tigers contained a large group of non-Nazi, non-noble “small people” . They did not want to leave Estonia and made no illusions about any new privileged life. How big this group is, we can only get an approximate picture of us.
Those ball tigers get you every time!
Maybe it’s the font – google’s translation services can’t handle fancy ones or it’s just crap.
Can anyone recommend a decent online translater? Vertaler?
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Tried Bing and received the following:
‘ “No minority who was such a pole in the flesh of our people as Tyskbalterna”.’
It’s done the ‘Pale = Pole’ thing as well as google, tho’ the German balls are gone! I do know Tysk = German.
Miles mentions the Teutonic Knights in his Woody Allen pdf.
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“Jersey Shore” will be shown in the Japan , under the name “MTV Jersey Shore: the New Jersey Life of Macaroni Rascals.”
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I’ve discovered a great little website dedicated to explaining the MM physics papers.
https://www.godparticle.xyz/Essays.html
Are people here aware of this GodParticle site? Josh?
I find it’s a worthy attempt to bring together Miles’ work in a format that’s easier to understand. The author (Dylan Stevens) has synthesized the papers into shorter versions… students in physics departments should make it part of their introductory studies.
Dylan has a physics degree from Georgetown U so his commentary is informative. I’m surprised i haven’t seen him posting here…
Peter
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Hi Peter for some reason this comment went to spam. Thanks for pointing this site out. I had not seen it.
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That godparticle.xyz site looks… very suspicious.
It uses the abbreviation MM for Miles Mathis and then claims in a garbled phrase that MM created the site.
> Note Miles Mathis is abbreviated as “MM” to remove “I”s
> …
> MM has created this site with the permission of Miles Mathis
On another page (take link “Introduction and site construction by Dylan Stephens”), the author says religion is a lie, and he visited the class of president Clinton.
> When I began reading his work, I felt the same way that I did when I realized many years ago that religion was a lie.
> …
> I knew that my B.S. Physics degree from Georgetown University in the class of President Clinton was useless
But on his other sites (take links after 1st link), he publishes stories about the True Jesus, the Apocalypse, and King Arthur, and tries to sell his books about these topics: “The Pesher of Christ”, “The Seven Sisters and the Apocalypse”, “Paulina’s Promise to her Grandfather, Jesus”.
I’m NOT surprised I haven’t seen him posting here… 😛
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He’s probably in TWO minds!
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Unclear. Though some of his ideas do seem a bit far out, that’s true. I hadn’t seen that. I think by ‘religion is a lie’ he means organized religion, but I’m not sure. However if anyone should be receptive to the notion of a ‘pesher,’ I would have put my money on you, Gerry.
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Aw, sorry Josh, didn’t mean to say the comment shouldn’t have been cleared. That link is harmless, and you’ve got enough admin work on your hands already. But that link chain to Amazon was likely what triggered the moderation. And fair enough, if by pesher you mean coded language, I believe in it, but not in the way Godparticle or Wiki hint at. Which, by the way, is also “unclear”. Why would anyone encode secret messages if it’s just more of the same official forces of good vs. evil narrative? Guess I’ve become allergic to piles of Bible citations without a clear statement in a secretive undertone, ever since my inbox got swamped with this stuff. 😉
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I gotta side with Gerry on this one, if “siding” is the right way to say it. To me, at this point ANY site that looks like that is highly suspicious – including Miles’ site. The only reason Miles gets a pass is because he’s Miles, and the pages are chiefly just links to his .pdfs, which is fine. I’m not suggesting that Miles is spooky by a long shot, don’t worry. And in the GodParticle.xyz site’s defense, there are ZERO trackers or scripts running, which is a good thing.
Three things that also seem suspicious:
1. The Copyright: it’s copyrighted 2000-2016 by Miles Mathis – but that’s a lie, right out the gate. As far as I know, Miles never made that fucking site or copyrighted anything of the sort. He doesn’t even copyright his own sites. So this guy is basically pretending to be Miles? What the fuck?
2. The site name itself, “GodParticle”. Anyone who’s read Mathis (or has a shred of common sense to begin with) knows that the Higgs and the God Particle are just pure marketing, and the product they’re selling is in my opinion the most foul of all – fake physics. Using that fraud-project in the name of the site is an immediate red flag, even if the guy is AGAINST the Higgs project. He’s advertising it for free.
3. Any HTML site, after say 2010 or so. While a useful tool still, WordPress and the other similar engines (okay, just use fucking WordPress people) are such HUUUUGE time-savers there’s really no reason not to use them. Updating is simple, almost as simple as posting comments here on THIS WordPress site, and you have all kinds of controls and power a raw HTML site cannot match. You have a database. You can turn on or off commenting and conversations, and store them and whatnot, out of the box.
It might be argued that the guy did his site that way to keep it secure, much like Miles has done. But he ain’t Miles, so he gets no pass on it. We’ve seen sites like that time and time again full of all kinds of garbage and spookery. Even the anti-nuke sites like that eventually sell you a different lie.
I mean the guy could be just trying to share Miles’ theories, which I do constantly myself, but I sure wouldn’t make an entire shitty site and then pretend HE copyrighted it or whatever. And his initial paragraphs are rather shitty too – he talks about Higgs but never states outright that Miles’ theories have nullified the Higgs project or any need for it entirely. That should have been a very big and central point, if you ask me. Why not just state that?
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I don’t know who Dylan Stephens is and I obviously had nothing to do with that site. I just found out about it. However, if he wants to republish my stuff there isn’t much I can do about it. Of course I repudiate his other writings on Gurdjieff etc. It is possible he is trying to surround me with noise, or maybe he is just another guy trying to find the truth, and being only semi-successful. Who knows. I don’t think it matters much, since his numbers are probably very low. Why would anyone go there when they can go to my own site?
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Stumbled on another Adolf after reading about Catherine Radzilwill (surname is mentioned again in Miles’ latest Hawkin(g)s pdf:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Aloys_of_Liechtenstein
Prince Aloys of Liechtenstein (ALOYS Gonzaga Maria ADOLF; 17 June 1869 in Hollenegg – 16 March 1955 in Vaduz) was the son of Prince Alfred of Liechtenstein (1842–1907) and Princess Henriette of Liechtenstein (1843–1931), daughter of Alois II of Liechtenstein.
Liechenstein borders Austria and Switzerland, and its current head is the richest monarch in Europe, Hans-Adam II aka Johannes Adam Ferdinand Alois Josef Maria Marco d’Aviano Pius.
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Gonzaga is an Italian nobles name.
Gonzaga University is a private, Roman Catholic university in Spokane, Washington, United States. Founded in 1887 by the Society of Jesus, it is one of 28 member institutions of the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities. It is named for the young Jesuit saint ALOYSIUS Gonzaga. “Aloysius” is the Latin form of Aloysius de Gonzaga’s given name in Italian, Luigi. He was the son of a marquis. {wiki}
It’s funny how some families’ names are only one letter apart – Dawkins, Hawkins, etc, Cowell, Powell, Lowell, Howell, etc.
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Luigi (Aloysius) means ‘Fighter’ or ‘Warrior’, whereas Adolf means ‘Noble Wolf’.
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@lewis reid:
“…It’s funny how some families’ names are only one letter apart – Dawkins, Hawkins, etc, Cowell, Powell, Lowell, Howell, etc…”
Brilliant work – thanks for bringing this back to mind. As Miles has shown many times, simply changing just one letter of a name is a simple way to hide family relationships. It is interesting that both Hawkins and Dawkins are part of the ‘lets divert people from the truth’ science project in their respective fields. Another pair of terrible twins, Percival Lowell and Bernard Lovell, both worked on the astronomy scam, and both founded astronomical observatories. Lowell pushed the intelligent life meme, while Lovell cobbled together a dubious statistical proof that extraterrestrial life, possibly intelligent, must exist in the Universe. It would seem the owners of the Shoah just love their repeating storylines.
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Correction…
‘Lowell pushed the intelligent life on Mars meme.’
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https://www.space.com/8288-aliens-exist-stephen-hawking.html
” If intelligent alien life forms do exist out in the vastness of the space, they might not be the friendly cosmic neighbors the people of Earth are looking for, famed British scientist Stephen Hawking says ….”
Has a new black-hole torn into this Sock-Puppet , in Miles new paper !
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Click to access hawk5.pdf
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Mark Staycer 2018! Click on the Season 6, Episode 3 program–at the 10-minute mark.
http://www.upnorthmedia.org/picnic2018.asp
The Youtubes of Mark Staycer mostly date from about 10 years ago. He has aged a lot in those 10 years. Would you say he looks about 60 (Mark’s age) or 78 (John’s age)?
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78. I still find it amazing that we can watch John play live. I wonder how many in the audience realized they were watching Lennon himself? Very few, if the response was any indication. He asked everyone to shout out their favorite Beatles song on the count of three, and he was met by near silence. That has to hurt. No wonder they made the movie Let Him Be. Everyone was letting him be way too much and he needed some attention.
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Have you seen this? Posted in January of 2018 on Youtube–one month before the Michigan talent showcase. Was it an extra on the DVD if you bought the movie Let Him Be? Or is this the first appearance of these behind-the-scenes clips? Lots of close-ups of Mark Staycer’s face.
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How many blokes are playing Mark Staycer? I think Miles mentioned the DVD extras in his Lennon paper, as he says something like he, MStaycer, looks more like John before the makeup application. The Mark with the massive beret looks younger, like it could be the film co-star Sean Clement.
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Downloaded the video, big beret Mark has a noticeable scar on his (old?) neck.
Compare-
(He should have done Deep Purple’s version of Help)
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Well, that is most certainly not Lennon in the Help! video, I think we can all agree on that..
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Wow, they made this just to answer my paper. They have sprinkled in a few new clips, as diversion. THese weren’t in the DVD extras. They hired a younger Lennon impersonator to pretend to be Staycer, but that isn’t the same guy. That’s why they had to hide him behind that big hat and colored glasses. He has a third accent that doesn’t match Lennon’s two American accents in the extras, which is enough to blow his cover. And why would they be promoting this film at all, since it isn’t even available? Obviously they made this fake promo to answer my expose.
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that’s exactly what I was thinking when I first saw it, news is cartainly getting around
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Actually, I was wrong above. I went back and re-watched the extras, which I hadn’t seen in a couple of years. This is taken from the extras. But it is still weird that they are adding it to youtube in 2018, since the film has been unavailable since 2009. And they may indeed have hired someone to play Staycer just for that “making of” extra, which was added later. We don’t know how much later, so it may or may not have been added to answer me. I now think there is a Lennon impersonator in the extras along with Lennon, to add to the confusion. He does look younger, though not 25 years younger, as they keep saying. Anyway, if they are trying to answer me, it isn’t working. In 10 months, they have only about 500 views and four comments. I encourage you guys to go there and add some comments and links to my paper. That should piss em off.
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I’ve looked all over for these extras on Youtube and haven’t seen them until just now, and I certainly looked more recently than January. I have reread the essay multiple times since then and every time I look for more information, I have not encountered this video. The man in this behind-the-scenes is most certainly not the same gentleman from the movie.
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Now that you mention it…yeah, I have searched “Mark Staycer” a few times this year on Youtube. Why did I find the DVD extra only now, in September? I found the Michigan talent show via a Duckduckgo search.
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To be specific, I think the moment “Staycer” is standing with the prosthetics on at 8:15 in the video is the third actor. I’m pretty sure the one in the red glasses and black hat is still Staycer, although I don’t have the best eye for this stuff. I think the secondary add-in is the one they’ve put in the prosthetics in that little stint where he’s not speaking, and they have the close-up on his eyes.
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Yes, from 7:50 onwards that is most certainly a stand-in. That is not the Staycer / Lennon accent, it is actually very easy to hear the difference.
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Tried to leave a comment at youtube but the whole youtube registration process requires a phone number, which I don’t possess, so couldn’t get any further.

The young pretender in dark glasses and floppy hat looks like he has a tiny chin cleft like Sean Clement:
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One comment stood out for me listed with this:
Was this one: ‘has anyone noticed that mark staycer is almost an anagram of mcartney?’
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The imposter looks like the spook Bill Maher.
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I did another “Mark Staycer” search of Youtube. I am seeing several videos I never picked up on before, even though they were supposedly posted a few years back.
This one, a bit out of focus, is giving me that “spooky” feeling Miles mentioned in his paper. The poster seems to be ImagineLennon, the Staycer branding.
And here’s an oddie from four years ago. Staycer with a Paul impersonator. Staycer’s nose looks kind of big. Maybe he is wearing one of the movie prosthetics.
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I wonder if John’s heard of Beatallica?
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What an indicative combination. Metallica is essentially the most spooky of all “Metal” bands, as they stopped making real music in 1987 and were subverted at some point after that, outright. The “Black Album” in 1992 is just terrible, and everything since was even worse. Yet their 1980s albums were very groundbreaking and even more critical, the 1987 “…And Justice For All” album is among the most damning anti-establishment albums ever done, even now. It’s some amazing work. It’s one of the foundational stones of later musics, from any genre.
So how do you go from a musically incredible album to utter garbage in just five or six years? Langley. It was at this point in around 1988 (or just before) where the spooks realized classical music was re-emerging with a lot of power and a real message, only it had a lot of speed and distortion and anger which was in stark contrast to all the boring-shit love songs everyone played on the radio for the last fifty years or whatever. I am not a Beetles (sic) fan, but I despise post-Justice Metallica even more. I like a few Beetles songs actually, but can’t stomach anything from Faketallica past 1997.
So why would Langley be involved? Most people just assume Metallica “sold out” when they produced the Black Album (Enter Sandman, The Unforgiven, and that kind of garbage is all from this album). But they were already sold out, at every concert for nearly a decade, and they already sold tons of albums. They didn’t go softer and drop any and every anti-establishment message for money, since they didn’t need any more. Another album like Master of Puppets or the Justice one would have sold almost as much, and they would have kept their credibility.
I think Langley tanked Metallica’s credibility precisely BECAUSE they were saying and instilling too much anger and despite towards the government, so in steps the suits to say, “Hey, stop being right. Here’s a bunch of money, and you can make even more by softening up and turning into little whiny bitches. Or we can just end you professionally and you make nothing, and watch Slayer take over entirely.”
This last part is to the point as well, since Slayer did just that. At the top end of Metal ever since 1994 it was pretty much Slayer, since they did the only honest shit. I believe them to also be spooky now, but for completely opposite reasons – to direct and corral the rage and hate into groups that could more easily be controlled and to divert it towards the religions. Slayer’s masterpiece 2001 album “God Hates Us All” was released on, you guessed it, 9/11. The same day as the tower bullshit went down. I was actually listening to it that day too, and there’s even a song where the intro sounds just like a terror incident occurring in an airport control tower, “Deviance”.
Anyway, I get mad when Langley or whoever ruins decent musicians. Fortunately, both of these bands are outdated and irrelevant in the Metal scene, and quite often derided precisely for these reasons. Good music lovers can see through the bullshit.
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I love the Puppets and Liberty albums, but may be/probably it’s the same old story, they get the best writers to do the breakthrough hit albums, and then they have to rely on their own abilities or lesser songwriters’ talents for the rest of their career. The rich & famous have no remorse.
I think some bands get the shortest straw and are only handed one song to get a mega hit (one hit wonders), while other [Elite?] bands get an album’s worth of great/classic songs, that are all killer and no filler, and build their careers thereon.
To quote The Fall, “Do all these musicians have a social conscience, well only in their frontrooms.” (Don’t know the songtitle, but a local DJ use to play it a lot at closing time.)
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I’m not really convinced Metallica was compromised prior to …And Justice For All. It’s just too damning a condemnation of the system. I can’t even think of another album that goes so deep into it, from any genre.
Even if it’s not anyone’s normal musical tastes, I’d urge you to give this one song (instrumental) a listen. If you dislike the heavy parts, skip to 4:27 to see what I mean about their classical style and songwriting skills:
“When a man lies, he murders a part of the world.”
I’ll admit my bias since I learned the guitar with these albums (and a few others), and learned to fingerpick that part especially. My brother would play his bass with no amp propped up against a large cardboard box so we could feel the notes, and I played a shitty Taka acoustic guitar and we learned every note of all those older albums. So I’m loathe to give them up – but am open to the possibility that it was just more controlled misdirection.
Anyway, combining Metallica and the Beatles seems disgusting from either direction. They have nothing in common at all, other than spookdom at whatever point. I would suggest that for Metallica, the spook-writing began after Justice, so in the early 1990s. The albums and songs are too cohesive prior, and the difference between bass players is quite blatant. Just my thoughts.
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I learnt Harvester of Sorrow and Disposable Heroes on electric guitar, took me ages I must admit, then the Black* album came out and Sandman was way easier to learn, for one thing no bloody fingers from hours of practice. (* = Opposite to the Beatles’ White album? or Apposite?)
So may be Cliff Burton had a greater acknowledged contribution to the songs or someone else was brought in, someone hidden or in plain sight like a manager, producer etc who takes no songwriting credits but nevertheless arranges/composes in the background. We’ll never know for sure.
I’ve heard that various rock bands had their managers write their lyrics (the Clash for example), Black Sabbath give differing accounts of where/when they wrote their songs (like The Beatles), others simply plagiarised and were either sued or not (funny how some are and some arent).
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Metallica was also mashed up with Lou Reed as well which I’d guess entails all that you might assume it should. It’s not hard to figure out what sort of lifestyles and attitudes Reed was put in place to promote in the 70s along with fellow projects “Mr. Bowie” and “Mr. Pop” and benefiting from the sponsorship of Andy Warhol…
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Sabbath is another group that mixed seemingly insightful and anti-establishment lyrics with a bunch of negative crud as well. Was Burton a true rebel in Metallica and possibly taken out or was it yet another fake death? I can believe some of these rich kids actually lash out, and may need to be re-assigned somewhere or prevented from harming “the cause”. D. Boon was another musician from the 80s who also allegedly died in a auto accident. He wrote many “anti-establishment” songs with his band (The Minutemen) he even had one called “Bob Dylan Wrote Propaganda Songs”. I’ve always thought D. Boon and Mike Watt seemed to be really down to earth dudes, but who knows anymore.
I’ve noticed that even the “indie” and “underground” scenes are mostly controlled.. If you want to have any success making music that’s a little different, you must label yourself “avant-garde” or something, name drop the same old spooks like John Cage or Stockhausen over and over or come from the right families I guess. Only the select few have any longevity and I would assume, based on countless observations and experiences that “competition” from outside talent are targeted for setbacks, annoyances, non (or anti) promotion and financial problems.
Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth must have been a pretty important little lad judging by his longevity in the biz and how he can always be counted upon to lend some “street cred” to any music project or documentary (he’s had to have appeared in hundreds of the fucking things) all while while pretending to be “middle class” of course and being immediately immersed while still a teenager into the whole “arty” NY SOHO & “No-Wave” scenes where all these “poor urban artists” were scraping by. They have been promoted decade after decade despite never really having much mass appeal or record sales. Just another band inexplicably signed to a long-term major label (Geffen) record deal despite having being constantly dwarfed in sales by just about every other act on the label. They served their purpose by adding just enough “topical” horseshit into their usually nonsensical lyrics and by regularly name dropping the usual spooks like Burroughs & Ginsburg etc. to make sure this “counter-culture hepcat circle jerk” continues into oblivion
another group of “Indie darlings” Yo La Tengo features Georgia Hubley, although being fairly talented and having a nice singing voice is the daughter of a husband/wife animation team who made propaganda cartoons for the UN
btw, I mentioned Lou Reed earlier…
“Few people bought the first Velvet Underground album, but those who did all started their own bands” is close enough of a paraphrase to an oft repeated music-press line . They’re another band constantly name dropped as “important”. Maybe there is some truth to the saying, I’m a musician, I’ve listened to the records many times but I wouldn’t point to them as anything revolutionary. I remember having their boxed set (and booklet) of their material and reading a bunch of hooey about how the leader of a Czech uprising (and future Czech president, Vaclav Havel) was listening to VU records as inspiration for the revolt he led, they actually say he called it the “Velvet Revolution” in their honor yuk yuk yuk, and this is repeated on episodes of Jeopardy! and all the other media sewer streams one would expect. Someone involved in that project made sure it was pushed decade after decade. To be honest I generally enjoy most of the VU’s music, it’s usually very basic, simple rock and roll. Lou Reed is almost universally hailed as a “rock legend”, akthough he’s just as often being descibed as a total prick. He must have have also been deemed very “important” early on, as he was writing and performing songs at the crank-em-out songhouse pickwick, who would release any kind of old duff for some bucks, it’s likely that the VU was just another biz phase for Mr. Reed as they were aiming for the next “more sophisticated” audience and others were brought in to increase the “weirdness” factor. There’s also the weird story about some unapproved photo being featured on the back of the first Velvet Underground album which caused it to be pulled from shelves just as it was going out for distrubution, grinding potentail sales to a halt, but perhaps that’s just a cover story for why they kept getting so many second chances after failing to sell records time after time… the “censored album cover debacle” is an oft repeated trope anyone whose seen a lot of music documentaries will recognize.
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I remember being fascinated by the VU first album cover. Every time I went to the local record store, I’d see it and wonder what it sounded like. There were stacks of other albums in the Rock section, but this one always stood out for some reason. Then one day I bought it without ever hearing a note of it before, man, it was a disappointment, but repeated plays and time have told me that there are some good songs lurking on it.
Ian McCulloch (Echo & The Bunnymen) once said Dylan songs were done better by other artists, the same advice could be applied to the Velvets.
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Master of Puppets is a masterpiece of a song, I can’t disagree with you there. I remember I watched a documentary about them during their later years (Death Magnetic or some garbage) and they came off like total prissy faggots during the whole film. It’s hard to believe those same guys wrote Fade to Black or Master of Puppets.
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Well I just looked up Maynard James Keenan, the TOOL frontman and singer, to see where his genealogy would lead. I didn’t want to. They are easily the most talented sidestream musicians in recent times, and one of my favorites historically. In my opinion they are so much better than the Beatles or Metallica for example, it’s not even the same sport. (That said, they are still ages behind most modern Metalcore, but whatever, I digress…)
So of course, Keenan owns a successful vineyard and fronts a very successful band – and his family hails from ancient Ireland and the peerage and the same fucking assholes Miles and others have been talking about all along.
Another hero falls?
Keenan was previously “O Cianain”, which to me looks way too close to “Canaan” for any comfort. While it turns out there are almost a million Keenans in the world, not many are actually in Ireland. Most are in the US, England, and Alaska. And not very many are famous millionaire singers and songwriters. Just the one, that I know of. The name goes back to 1345, where we have records of 8 Keenans moving forward who were “distinguished ecclesiastics and historians”, working for the Maguires of Fermanagh, in Ireland.
Does this mean Maynard lacks talent, or his songs are immediately spooky just because he’s probably from a peerage/spooky family? I don’t think so. But the more we dig, the less I trust these connections. My brother is a better bass player than anyone on the radio in the last twenty years, and yet he didn’t get anywhere for his merits. But somehow these small-town “lower-middle class” guys just have all the luck?
I can’t detect any spin from TOOL, but my bias is strong and I won’t discard their music. Not a huge fan and wouldn’t see them live, but to me it’s not red-flagged like Rage Against the Machine just yet, and the music is incredible. Deep and spiritual almost, with solid and uplifting themes hiding among the darkness.
Is it possible some of the young, distant relatives of the Families actually just have some talent for art still? Is it possible that him being a Keenan has nothing to do with his success?
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It is possible for some to have talent, even great talent who don’t require a secret hit writing team or session musicians, but we would probably never even have heard of any of them unless it weren’t for his being a distant relative of the Families.
No one is innocent.
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I don’t know much about Tool, but a colleague reliably informs me they have a song called ‘Hooker with a penis’. Trannie psyop?
Maynard is an Anglo-Norman surname, and in the peerage as well. Maynhard was one of the barons who went into England with William the Conqueror, and whose name is in the roll of Battle Abbey.
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No, the song is not about trannies at all. It’s about meeting an angry fan who calls them sell-outs, but I’ll admit when I listen to it now it’s much spookier. It’s a limited-hangout kinda thing:
♫All you read and wear or see and hear on TV Is a product Begging for your fatass dirty dollar
♫So … Shut up and Buy my new record
♫Send more money
♫Fuck you, buddy♪
But earlier in the song:
♫All you know about me is what I’ve sold you, dumb fuck
♫I sold out long before you ever heard my name
♫I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit, and you bought one♪
The song is really just an interlude between songs on Aenima, but it sure takes on a different meaning now. Knowing he’s basically yet another rich child of ancient nobility.
I do stand by my previous opinion about their music, but yeah. Another hero fallen. (the band as a hero, Maynard was never a hero personally and I try to avoid even knowing the names of the musicians I like)
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Agree much with Jared and Anti here.
Much of the ‘indie’ scene is controlled for sure. Same goes for vidya games. They’re only really indie in so much that they’re labeled as such and aren’t published by the big boys, but the artists/hack-frauds can still be from the same rich Families. I’ve been a music buff since the teen years and have a huge collection of late 90s/early 00s indie albums, but now with internet streaming like Spotify there’s really no limit to what you can listen to. I lost count of how many upside down triangles or other occult/Freemason symbolism I’ve seen across modern ‘indie’ artists on there.
One of my all times favorites is Belle & Sebastian (basically a 180 from heavy metal hah) led by Stuart Lee Murdoch. Doing the ‘Miles’ survey on his Wiki page doesn’t bring up any immediate red flags other than his name and later connections with climate change protesting or whatever, but I think I can still assume he’s connected to the families somehow. I really only wanted to bring up their song ‘A Century of Fakers’ which the lyrics make me go hmmm:
Everybody’s trying to make us
Another century of fakers
..
Everybody’s trying to make us
Another cool decade of fakers
(I also dedicate this track to all the poor caged animals aka agents that are watching us and this site. Please quit your jobs, go outside and get some fresh air. You’ll feel much better.).
The song is also sung in the same tune of another track on the album called ‘A Century of Elvis’. Hmm.
No doubt a big part of spook-produced music is to act as a pressure release-valve on modern society, hence all the seemingly anti-establishment bands but coupled with subtle mis-direction of some sort. Or think of ‘method actors’ like Tupac Shakur. Makes me think of Mass Appeal Records and DJ Shadow.
Also I think there is a certain hierarchy in the music scenes similar to politics and other forms of entertainment. Top family members get to be superstars, whether talented or not but they have no real freedom also. Same as it has always been.
Down the line the rest of the spook babies are either 1)With the ‘program’ and aid the intelligence agencies by pushing their memes, 2) Not exactly ‘with’ the program but not actively working against it either, since they are from the same families. They won’t ever starve but they won’t make it really big unless they get with the ‘program’.
Steve Mason from the Beta Band who went on to a solo career always struck me as someone who’s jaded with their system and bitter (at least through his lyrics) from not making it big with the Beta Band. The lyrics from the track ‘Alive’ from his Meet the Humans album are almost right on point.
I also like to think that’s what happened with Fela Kuti who became a little too fed up with the system he was born into and was eventually forced into early retirement. Who knows though. One could really do a wide-ranging paper on all these supposedly anti-establishment artists..
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Of that genre, I’ve really only heard of Flogging Molly (Irish punk band), but I can totally agree with your point. Even the “indie bands” only get big if they’re related to the Families.
At this point I just don’t want to dig any more on the music stuff, myself. I’m going to assume all my favorites are compromised except for my Metalcore bands, who are not successful enough to matter and I detect no spin in their music (Darkest Hour, August Burns Red, and Unearth). But it still hurts.
Most of our inputs are either lies or misdirection, which should be no surprise now. I imagine Miles and others felt very similar upon outing their own favorites. A bit of nausea, a bit of regret maybe, and a touch of anger hopefully. More than a touch for me, of the last one. But some of that is reflected back at myself, since I should have known anything too good to be true is of course just false.
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I confess I bought Tiger Milk by S&B many moons since, but the name Murdoch makes me think of Rupert Murdoch, who has been mentioned at least thrice by Miles in his pdfs: Spence, Agatha, Nonude, and also in a ‘guess’ writer’s stint who showed him to be related to the Stewarts along with Clint Eastwood. Rupert M is also related to the Youngs of Scotland, like ACDC and Neil Young, and the Kennedy clan, and is in Tim Dowling’s family tree, who’s related to practically everyone (in)famous.
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You touch upon a problem which may be solved by analysis. We have seen it all the time in record history, that the record company is pushing their artists to create bestsellers, cutting off their edges that they can get a more general appeal, adding edges so that they will be easier to spot and harder to forget.
But all record companies does not work for Langley. There are probably more than we think which does, as leaders of big record companies are so high in the hierarchy they probably are in touch somehow. But from a leader in touch with intel to the creation of a political/ideological tainted production team should be a long way.
I think the solution would be in analysis of their ethical or non ethical approach. Are there signs of propaganda? In use for what purpose?
The propaganda song #1 of the former century must be Lennons Imagine.
An anthem written for Georgy Soros Open Society Foundation. Or so it seems.
Imagine the global prison
with no walls or no door
where we can shit on the table
every day and every night
Imagine all the people dying to get out, you hu
OK, Ok sorry for my retard bongsmoking lespian act, but i actually have an education in Fine art and am a little damaged. And yes i did also go to the same Art academy as Lennon and Hitler and do have something to revenge.
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“When a man lies, he murders some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives.”
…was written by German poet Paul Gerhardt, but was erroneously attributed to Burton in the liner notes.
I do agree with you for the most part, with a comment on your doubt about Metallica prior to “And justice for all” album as an uncompromised band. Knowing everything we know, including the process of trend-setting, usual recruiting of the musicians and the ever-present army/intel connections of the “rockstar’s” parents, I suggest Metallica was as phony as any other band. Was there at any point in time any music celebrity that got a million $ record deal and got promoted to sell millions of album – based solely on his/her talent? In my opinion, there is no such case. So Metallica would represent the precedence to this pattern, while surnames like Ulrich, Hammet, Burton and Hetfield do sound as prime candidates for a deeper research. Honestly, I don’t feel like doing it since I expect to find exactly that, which makes me hesitate to start such research.
Metallica signed the “Justice” album with Elektra records, whose owner was Jac Holzman (Jac as an abbreviation for Jacob?). Admittedly jewish, as if it signifies anything important 😉 He had managed to sign such acts as the Doors or The Queen among many others. Anyway, Elektra was soon to be merged with the Warner music group. In the meanwhile, Holzman was a director of Pioneer Electronics Japan, helping that company, and Warner Bros., adopt the compact disc and Laserdisc. Also a member of the board of Atari, one of the first videogame companies, which was acquired by WCI in 1976. His bio really reads as a wonderboy’s diary and I suggest he was another front(man) posing as the director of family’s business as usual. Anyway, the short point of this Elektra records note is to realize that all of the major recording studios and labels are / were owned by the PTB since the inception of music industry / business. The stories of poor and broke talents walking into the record studios, soon winning fat contracts, are just that – stories.
I don’t believe musical talent is crucial to get a fat label contract. What matters in this industry (or anywhere else you wish to look into) are connections to the ruling families. That is the most common feature of celebrities’ stories we are looking into. Considering nepotism as a standard business mode for centuries (millenia?), I dare to say all the big and small names in music are compromised by default. They enter the show compromised and are aligned to some arrangement since day 1, with or without any true musical talent. To be honest, some of them actually show a great talent, like for instance Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner alias Sting. But in the average, the level of talent is set pretty low, especially since 1990’s.
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As usual, you make more sense than myself and are more objective. Outing TOOL earlier kinda sealed the deal for me, and your data on Metallica and Elektra is spot-on. I’ll go ahead and say I was wrong about them not being “connected” prior to Justice, and didn’t even think of their connection or angles. How else would an album like that even get published? If any of us wrote and released it back then, it would have never made it to the first venue. Just as now, most people do NOT want to hear any truth or any shred of dissonance against the mainstream.
They were basically targeting the angry youth (myself), to direct us in a fashion that left us ineffective and irrelevant against them. If one gets all their angst out just by “rocking out”, one has little left to actually do a goddamn thing about what caused the anger. It’s basically whining.
All that said, I still enjoy the musics for nostalgia and musical analysis, and somewhere in there a real emotion or two. Knowing their authors are compromised (or in some cases false) doesn’t change the emotions for me, it just makes me wary of the spin and the lyrical intent. I am NOT a “Harvester of Sorrow”, but of joy and light and life. Keeping the darkness at bay is just part of the process.
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I try to enjoy the same nostalgic feeling, Jared. Most of my teenage music heroes turned out to be installed as rockstars, not showing much talent at all.
I do know what a real talent sounds like and I can tell who can play his instrument with passion attached to it, though. So I try to focus on this only, listening to those who were/are able to show it. The list is quite short, but there are many artists who were promoted with a reason. For instance, the guitar playing of Mark Knopfler (Dire straits) is absolutely magnificent and a real challenge to master. Or the voice and singing abilities of Ian Gillan or Robert Plant in their prime years. If I compare this average with the modern one, there’s actually very little to compare – the decadent years ate all real talents, leaving us with Britney Spears or Justin Bieber kind of average. That’s certainly something to mourn if you ever liked music made/performed by truly talented people.
Like I mentioned before, I really don’t want to look deeper into my most favorite bands. I fear of permanently loosing them, although I already know what is to be found if I start looking.
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While we certainly have different tastes in music, I appreciate your appreciation of skill and talent and “feel ya” on this topic intensely. I don’t think we need to “out” every band or musician at this point, but rather keep our eyes open and be on the lookout for red flags and spin and bullshit – as always. But you folks have given us some better tools and deeper insight, Miles and Josh and yourself, and for that I thank you all.
What I mean is that what if most of my teen angst came FROM the music, not that I found the music that expressed what I was actually feeling? How much of my anger was real, and how much instilled by the kinds of music I listened to? We see a lot of this with love songs for example, of all types – do they pre-program us to believe that love is a certain thing, works a certain way? Just because some singer with a pretty voice sang certain words to us when we were young?
I had and have PLENTY to be angry about, so that much is real. But what would I have done with that anger over the years had I not kept feeding it and fanning the flames?
(an aside – I think this is why I enjoy my Metalcore favorites so much lately, especially August Burns Red, who is a Christian metal band and on paper the antithesis of what I listen to normally. But the music and lyrics are so uplifting and the message is generally “Overcome, break free, let go of the hatred”, and there’s rarely anything blatantly religious in their music and I can detect no spin at all – it’s just good stuff that makes me happy, instead of fueling rage or hatred, which to me is a breath of fresh air)
The good stuff is out there. Even the Powers That Be cannot snuff out all real art.
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Thank goodness for different tastes in anything, it would’ve been a dull world where everybody liked the same.
Music can definitely invoke feelings. It can inspire too. I’ve experienced goose bumps while listening to many different genres and seen people react to vibes with emotions. That’s why we consider it as art, no? But on the other hand, music was composed under the heavy influence of composer’s feelings, so music’s ability to invoke the same emotions in the listener should be incorporated into it, no? Or are we talking about the chicken-or-egg here?
My appreciation for talent comes from my own effort in trying to master a guitar, been doing it for a very long time now and I’m still learning new things. Any instrument demands long hours of practice if you wish to master it and anybody trying would certainly how true this is. So yes, I really appreciate talented and well-versed musicians. Many can practice and achieve superb technique, but very few have the real feeling about how to use all of that. Those who do are the real masters of their instruments.
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Jared, your comment about ABR made me think on Kutless, who were a melodic hard rock Christian band I used to listen to before they went too mainstreamy.
“Your touch” was one of their own uplifting songs –
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It stings though, I have to admit. It takes away he magical feeling, and almost all of the reverence I had for these folks. My band was Pink Floyd, and although they’re clearly extremely talented folks, I have fallen out of love with them. It’s a sad thing to learn — you have to wonder about the countless musicians these children of the rich have replaced? Maybe your brother would have been in the real Metallica? Maybe he would have had a better story to tell than these old spoiled assholes ever did. I would certainly bet he would have.
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It does sting, Russell. How much great art must be lost and burned? For how long can this continue? At least OUR eyes are opening up and sifting out the bad stuff better, despinning it or exiling it as the case may be. My brother was in a great band for a bit, pretty talented musicians and the singer did well, a good friend of mine still, but they only produced one album and the cost broke them all. I don’t have a Spotify account but if anyone is interested, here’s a track from his album, “The Silent Side”:
(not trying to promote or sell Shadowclad, just a free example of what I consider better music than most of the shit on offer these days)
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In case you needed more circumstantial evidence, whathisface is wearing a shirt with a picture of “The King” on it in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujwiWjJLwBg Damn, did they rock hard back in the day though.
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You hit the nail full on!
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Couldn’t have put it better myself, Vex!
A mate of mine, who’s a huge Queen fan, said that he read Queen’s guitarist Brian MAY thought Freddie’s old band (he didn’t tell me their name, apart from they played in Liverpool a lot) were “Too rough”! Which member was Queen named after?
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Looks like ozzy
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Talking of Mark Staycer and Dylan Stephens:
And Dylan’s channel @ youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDQxL_Sf-hRa_wQImqSUF5A
Viggo Mortensen’s family tree is up at famouskin.com, link:
https://famouskin.com/ahnentafel.php?name=93406+viggo+mortensen
Old Viggo has Atkinsons, Chapmans, Gates’, Cheneys, Northrups, Balls, et al, and a Thomas Merriman who links to Winston Churchill, Thomas Edison, Emelia Earhart, Ernest Hemingway, while another, John Underwood, links us to Janis Joplin, Clint Eastwood, Louisa May Alcott, President Millard Filmore, Sarah Palin, and Ben Affleck.
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I ‘get’ how all these people are connected and don’t doubt it for a minute. How else to explain how so many totally talentless individuals hit the big time ? What I don’t ‘get’ however is how the PTB keep track of all these nonentities they use to further their agenda. Is there some giant privately held database that is updated to record all the deaths and births of these lineages?
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“Is there some giant privately held database that is updated to record all the deaths and births of these lineages?”
I suspect there is and my guess is that it is what is known as the Granite Mountain Record Vault (aka “The Vault”) in Utah, owned and maintained by the Mormon Church. They say they provide access to its records to the public. But, then why is the vault buried in a mountain under a mile of rock if the general public has access to it anyway?
The Mormon Church says they have billions of records in The Vault and its purpose is “to preserve and protect records of importance to the Church, including its vast collection of family history microfilms.” See their explanation here:
https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/granite-mountain-records-vault
So, why are the genealogy records of billions of people, most of whom are not Mormons, be “of importance” to the Mormon Church?
Coincidentally, the popular genealogy web site Ancestry.com is also based in Utah and was started by multi-zillionaire Paul Allen who also happens to be a Mormon and admits “cooperation” between the site and Granite Mountain.
Miles has written about the Mormons. One example is his paper on Eugene Debs here:
Click to access debs.pdf
And, there are others.
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Indeed, we were cross-writing and you beat me to it. Good work! 🙂
The Mormon religion teaches that to enter Heaven, someone MUST be baptized into the true church (Mormonism). So they use these genealogical records to perform what they call “Baptisms for the Dead”. I’ve done some myself, when I was like 13. It’s really quite ridiculous and insane, but that’s what they do and promote. They “baptize” by proxy dead people, who have no say in the matter obviously, so that they can allegedly get into the Celestial Kingdom.
So that is the official purpose of their extensive research and data. But my guess is that the Powers That Be decided to hide their research out in some shithole upstart church (which they also started) so it would be less susceptible to damage, perhaps. As opposed to doing it all in the Vatican, you know?
There’s also a pretty heavy military presence (Air Force, especially, which is why I lived there for three years as a child – my dad was an AF tech) in the area for no apparent reason. Salt Lake City and Provo couldn’t possibly have any tactical importance, in a world theater. I currently live near the Bremerton Naval Shipyard, McChord Air Force Base, Ft. Lewis Army Base, and the Bangor sub base up here in Washington State, all of which have far more tactical significance than some religious zealot capital in the desert. I mean at least subs, planes, and ships are real, even if their nuclear weaponry isn’t.
So to me it seems more likely the Mormon Church is just there now to handle these kinds of genealogical records, especially once you get Paul Allen types involved. You seriously have to be a special kind of idiot to buy into the Mormon church, although they are perhaps the most benevolent of them all on the surface. My dad is such one idiot, and my mother too. Out of their four kids, only my sister (the oldest, I’m second) still adheres to that nonsense. All three of us boys ditched out as early as possible, around 14 or so. It’s insane.
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The granite vault was built in the early ’60s during the Cold War, I believe, to protect the records from nuclear war.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700028045/Mormon-churchs-storied-Granite-Mountain-vault-opened-for-virtual-tour.html
It is said all the records in the vault are all accessible via the Church’s geneological website familysearch.org
Free membership is available to all current (and former) Church members.
(I have a free membership even though I haven’t been a member since 30 years ago.)
https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/create-free-account-familysearch-partners/
Membership is included to “partner sites” including ancestry.com
(see previous link)
These sites aren’t as useful as you might think, however, because they limit searches to people who are already dead and whose families have approved the release of their records. This makes it difficult to see family lines other than your own immediate family, unless you know details and dates of the deceased.
Still, it is a useful tool for researching your own ancestors and can link you to other resources like birth, death and marriage records and websites all around the world.
My parents, and many other church members, use the site on a weekly basis where they do volunteer work researching the records of people who “need their work done” as Jared explains, so that these un-baptized people can be “sealed” (a kind of marriage ceremony which can still include polygamous relationships) to their families, giving them the opportunity to enter the highest level, or “celestial kingdom” of heaven according to LDS dogma.
Occasionally, there are controversies where non-Mormon people discover their ancestors have had these ordinances performed by other relatives who are church members and they oppose these actions, so there are rules in place governing who can be researched and who can have work done on their behalf.
I’m guessing this is how certain geneologies are hidden from general users of the site(s).
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There is, actually, and my guess is if Miles (or others) had better access to it most if not all of the holes and gaps in the genealogies would be filled. Or at least it might yield us a better map or some apps to help out.
It’s the Mormon genealogical research center just down the street from their famed main, central temple in Salt Lake City. My eldest uncle works there, and has for most of my life.
https://www.lds.org/church/news/familysearch-opens-hi-tech-discovery-center-in-salt-lake-city?lang=eng
They allegedly have some hi-tech software too. I’ll see if I can get a username/password from him or something to help out, or it might just be free to anyone.
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Yes, keeping track of the cast and crew is undoubtedly done using computers today. However, as the Global Shoah has likely been running for thousands of years. other more labour intensive methods must have been employed. Once printing was invented books would have been used, similar to today;s Burke’s Peerage, and before that Coats of Arms and other easy to remember symbols would be used. I expect they also use a comprehensive DNA database to find long lost previous members of the elite crew and prevent the wrong sort of people trying to muscle in on the act.
As those responsible for the script of the Global Shoah treat the world as it’s stage, I suspect this huge operation is managed in a similar way to how theatre/movie shows are staged. Below is a link to a simple outline of how this is done, and it easy to see how the various roles needed can easily be allocated to ‘real life’ world events.
Click to access Stage%20Management%20Guide.pdf
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Granite Mountain Vault reminds me of Iron Mountain data center
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It is said that intelligence organizations hire a lot of Mormons, mostly recruited from BYU.
Since it is so weird and spooky, I think the Mormon Church deserves its own Miles Mathis paper, but that’s just my opinion. 🙂
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Yes, the LDS church has missionaries who are trained for several months in foreign languages and then spend up to 2 years in other countries in an attempt to convert people to the religion.
Members pay a tithe, or tenth of their income on a monthly basis to the church, so this missionary brings in millions of dollars from around the world into their pyramid structure, where those at the top (the “12 apostle”) determine what is done with it.
Mostly, it goes to purchase real estate for “temples” which are large buildings used for marriages (“sealings”) and baptisms for the dead, among other rituals.
Ward houses are also built to serve as weekly meeting places for local congregations around the world.
The Church also owns television and radio stations around the world, as well as it’s real estate holdings. You can imagine how wealthy it must be, though official details are lacking, given it’s non-profit status which allows it to hide records and avoid taxes.
Because of these foreign language skills and religious piety (Did you know you can’t join the FBI unless you profess a belief in God? [typically the Christian God])
Mormon missionaries are highly sought after by American (and possibly foreign) intelligence agencies.
I know of several members of my immediate family (brothers-in-law and cousins, nephews) who currently serve in the FBI and other agencies. Of course, they don’t talk much about their positions or duties and some of them are merely rumours.
Typically, they move from being missionaries to attending undergraduate work at BYU and then move to Harvard or Yale for post-graduate work in Law or Political Science or Divinity school. One nephew is also in the military and currently resides in North-Eastern Virginia.
I myself have been lucky enough to work for several years for a large non-profit organization whose job it is to ensure that countries around the world comply with their “local” labor laws (I put local in parentheses, because typically these laws are written by Americans, including employees of the organization I worked for).
Another job that our agency was tasked with was whitewashing multinational companies like Philip-Morris who we helped rebrand as Altria during their struggles with cancer-related lawsuits from consumers in the ’90s.
The decision by the board to take Philip-Morris’ money was one of the reasons I left the company, despite it being among the plushest in terms of benefits and perquisites that I have ever worked for.
tl;dr
Yes, Mormons are deeply connected to intelligence agencies and NGOs.
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I don’t know how many times I’ve recognized what appears to be family resemblances between celebrities (actors, mostly) who are not supposed to be related. Not only in a single generation but also from one generation to the next as well.
Given all the genealogical hanky-panky, twin switcheroos and other identity games that we have explored, the above observation makes me suspect that there is quite a bit of “musical chairs” done with babies within the families in order to obscure the true bloodlines of the celebrities that these kids eventually become. That is, the “parents” that raise them and claim them as their children aren’t their real parents. They still come from “the families,” I’m sure, but not necessarily the exact family that is claimed. How else would a group with such a preponderance of gays and fake spouses have so many “children”? So, there must be some way to keep track of who is who and a master database would be a way of doing that. It might also help explain all the security around the database.
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Interesting article by John Pilger [reprinted in bigOfeature)-
Complex stories are reported to a cult-like formula of bias, hearsay and omission: Brexit, Venezuela, Russia, Syria. On Syria, only the investigations of a group of independent journalists have countered this, revealing the network of Anglo-American backing of jihadists in Syria, including those related to ISIS.
Supported by a “psyops” campaign funded by the British Foreign Office and the US Agency of International Aid, the aim is to hoodwink the Western public and speed the overthrow the government in Damascus, regardless of the medieval alternative and the risk of war with Russia.
The Syria Campaign, set up by a New York PR agency, Purpose, funds a group known as the White Helmets, who claim falsely to be “Syria Civil Defence” and are seen uncritically on TV news and social media, apparently rescuing the victims of bombing, which they film and edit themselves, though viewers are unlikely to be told this. George Clooney is a fan.
The White Helmets are appendages to the jihadists with whom they share addresses. Their media-smart uniforms and equipment are supplied by their Western paymasters. That their exploits are not questioned by major news organisation is an indication of how deep the influence of state-backed PR now runs in the media. As Robert Fisk noted recently, no “mainstream” reporter reports Syria, from Syria.
In what is known as a hatchet job, a Guardian reporter based in San Francisco, Olivia Solon, who has never visited Syria, was allowed to smear the substantiated investigative work of journalists Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett on the White Helmets as “propagated online by a network of anti-imperialist activists, conspiracy theorists and trolls with the support of the Russian government”.
This abuse was published without permitting a single correction, let alone a right-of-reply. The Guardian Comment page was blocked, as Edwards and Cromwell document. I saw the list of questions Solon sent to Beeley, which reads like a McCarthyite charge sheet – “Have you ever been invited to North Korea?”
So much of the mainstream has descended to this level. Subjectivism is all; slogans and outrage are proof enough. What matters is the “perception”.
When he was US commander in Afghanistan, General David Petraeus declared what he called “a war of perception… conducted continuously using the news media”. What really mattered was not the facts but the way the story played in the United States. The undeclared enemy was, as always, an informed and critical public at home.
Nothing has changed. In the 1970s, I met Leni Riefenstahl, Hitler’s film-maker, whose propaganda mesmerised the German public.
She told me the “messages” of her films were dependent not on “orders from above”, but on the “submissive void” of an uninformed public.
“Did that include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie?” I asked.
“Everyone,” she said. “Propaganda always wins, if you allow it.”
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Vanessa Beeley reports regularly on UKColumn News on YT. I don’t trust either her or UKC. I don’t think there’s ever been any live footage from her, only stills. Why not? Then, there’s her background —- her father being the late Sir Beeley and long time member of the British Establishment. Is she even in Syria?
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Sorry for this “necro” comment but I was following the Mormon Database conversation and happened upon your Syria comment.
Unfortunately I’ve come to believe that the Syrian conflict is managed by “all sides” which of course means just one side — the Families. Just 3 points to make the point.
Firstly, the Syrian authorities allowed the infamous Robert Ford to wander around the country liaising with the opposition groups, before the conflict started. Secondly, it seems massive concrete bunkers, tunnels and other such systems were built for the rebels in the years leading up to the conflict (again, the Syrian authorities do nothing).
Finally, the “goodies” aka Syria, Russia and Iran are declaring victory even though the country is now partitioned. The US backed SDF (a Kurdish army) now controls the NE of the country — ISIS was US backed, so why is the SAA not now freeing the rest of the country. There are reports of Syrians being ethnically cleansed by this burgeoning Syrian-Kurdistan.
The real kicker is that this partitioning was predicted ages ago in the so-called “New Middle East” maps, which seem to be a reification (I get to use that word!) of the much older Oded Yinon plan to balkanize the region. These plans must all be part of the theatre (e.g. blame nefarious Israel!) because ALL the elites of the countries are involved in the manufacturing of the war.
I still believe millions of real Syrians were enslaved, murdered or forced into exile. I also think that immense damage was done to the millennia old cultural history of Syria (sometimes I suspect that the Families wanted to erase or find some lost heirlooms 😛 ), and other such crimes. But, ironically enough, the biggest bastard to my mind is, in fact, Assad. And I type this as someone who fervently supported the Syrian people and government against the West’s proxy war…but that was before I reluctantly accepted that all nation-states are Faux Nations 😦
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I see Faul/Mike McCartney is currently doing ‘Helter Skelter’ in his repertoire, well at least at his secret gig in New York (September 7th, 2018). The same time the media are bringing up all the whole Manson Family hoax again. A coincidence? He also did ‘Who Cares?’ and ‘Fuh You.’ Says it all, really.
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There’s more Manson media crap coming than we had back in the 1960s!
Here is a guide:
https://tinyurl.com/ybxhxakh
And, that’s just the movies. Lots of other media attention has already begun and will continue, I’m sure. I guess they want to get their money’s worth (of propaganda).
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I think Tarantino’s next movie (didn’t he’d retire though?) has the Manson Murders as the story backdrop. It is a clear example of the spooky methods outed by Miles, in this case the repackaging and reinforcement of an older spook project.
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They should have just called it “Brokeback Mountain 2”. As much as I love DiCaprio’s acting, it’s in direct opposition to Pitt’s one-trick pony and I can’t wait to never watch this movie.
But whatever, I loved the shit out of Kill Bill and Django. Entertainment is whatever entertains us. It’s still helpful to know we’re being spun, so we can dodge the collision. 😉
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Metallica.
I never liked them so i don’t know much about them, but i couldnt miss they were highly vocal in tearing down Napster. This could be regarded as a very sane and helpful act in preserving artists copyrights and thereby the chance for the same artists to earn money on own products.
But why have they complained nothing about Spotify or more to the point Youtube?
Spotify pays artists nest to nothing but they pay at least something. Youtube pays nothing, but might take down material after complaints.
Could it be that Napster was owned by the wrong people? Absolutely NOT, as Sean Parker b. 1979 was a little hacker prodigy who was discovered as his father confiscated his keyboard while being inside something. He was hired by CIA thereafter, still attending High school. He launched Napster in 99. And after its demise he also became the 1st president of Facebook. Not an alternative dude. The reasons Napster was taken down could actually be copyrights lawyers, or that they had just sorted out the business model that were to come, seeing Napsters as unfit.
It has appeared the last year that Facebook, Google and Youtube have got deals under the table which have allowed them to use material without paying for copyrights. This is of course the monopoly sized concerns under leadership of CIA which have received this.
A great plus is that The new directive on copyrights have been voted for in Strasbourg. (12th Sept) It means people can start suing Youtube for playing their material. But noone knows about this or the details. Only lawyers care about such details.
Metallica again. I saw a new video as it was released in 2003. I was pretty shocked by the postscript of the video, seeing it as a very solemn dedication and fusion. The video was their prison visit – St. Anger, and following the video came:
“For all the souls impacted by St. Quentin, your spirit will forever be a part of Metallica,
James, Lars, Kirk and Robert.”
Well who else does prison concerts to a style? Johnny Cash, the one military intelligence guy who signed up at Sun Records same year as Elvis Presley did.
What is he known for ? Sinner Christianity. That may be one of the themes of our destructive cultural intelligence.
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Sinner Christianity makes me think on Rasputin, the monk who took forever to be killed (allegedly). RasPutin?
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This is what mastery of an instrument sounds like… https://youtu.be/Id3DyawANmI
He even plays the drums with his left foot and the bass with his right foot, all at the same time, incredible!
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Definitely shows technical mastery but his music doesn’t move me. I like music that lights a spark in me or takes me on a journey. Best when combined with virtuosity. Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_9yt4hsHg
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Can we find uncompromised musical Artists at this point ?
After the ‘ anonymous Gentleman ‘ with the Northern accent threatens Daevid Allen’s hopes of an ambulatory future , the first song is so bouncy and joyous , as he meets a groovy girl at the light show who ” works for Israeli intelligence ” and she can shapeshift too ….. Money is innocent he writes , at least he’s honest about being compromised .
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I have a Gong album…Angels Egg…we saw them once as support for Ozric Tentacles. I also owned a Soft Machine album with the most realistic ‘drum-kit in your living room’ drum solo I’ve ever heard.
Uncompromised musical artists? I’ve had a good dig around for some seriously ‘out of the gutter’ artists yet every time I think I’ve found a true working class hero, my bubble gets popped. As soon as you hit their biography the alarm bells go off!
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I saw these guys on Conan’s TV show 1999 or so , they never got a major deal , put out 5 Lps independently .
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OOH, good catch on RasPutin!
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Speaking of Johnny Cash, I just happened to be flipping around the boob tube last night and came upon this performance of Cash and his wife, June Carter. They were introduced as “The first Family of Country Music” and they started in singing a Bob Dylan tune. I watched a few minutes of this and thought, “Why are these people famous? Why are they even on television? Jeez! They’re terrible!”
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Cash can’t sing, he isn’t a very good musician and never wrote anything worth a damn.
And, the same goes for June Carter.
This is only one out of zillions of examples of fake celebrities who become famous and revered despite lack of talent and few people seem to notice and just go along with the ruse.
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I heard him on the radio the other day and had exactly the same epiphany.
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Jesus man, he really does sound pretty awful live, doesn’t he? Only thing that makes him look good in comparison is June Carter. Does she sound like an embarrassing karaoke singer or what? It’s incredible. These are the frauds who replaced people of real talent. I mean, Cash’s baritone sounds ok when it’s masked behind layers of studio magic, but live you can tell there’s something more to the picture than we’re being told. No way that man got in the business on merit alone.
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I can’t recall the number of ‘acclaimed’ musicians I listened to countless times over, trying to understand what everyone was raving about. Half the time I thought there must be something wrong with me. Cash was one of those. Now I know there wasn’t anything wrong with me, trusting instincts is much easier, and less time is wasted. Thank you Miles!
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Yes this was actually very awful. The musicians are tho pro and playing straight, making Cash fall out more distinguished.
Found this band on youtube. They released their full album to absolute no response this summer on YT. Their category is something alike Radiohead but have own sound and style. If you can stand the feminine vocal, its awesome. 28 views – I think i am about the only one listening to it.
Human 2.0 – Album : Colour thinking.
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“Why are these people famous? Why are they even on television? Jeez! They’re terrible!”
I agree. Hindsight is a great healer. I look back at those early songs and tunes and think, ‘my God, how did these people sell any records, never mind become millionaires’?
There ‘were’ great tunes and fantastic lyrics but most stuff was awful.
Have you noticed how actors become very samey and lacklustre over the years. Then suddenly they make a film in which they actually try to do their very best.
Even that cardboard cut-out of an actor Keanu Reeves, with his monotone delivery and face like a smacked arse, actually acted as though his life depended on it in the film John Wick. I was suitably impressed.
Dare I suggest a great artist? Suzanne Vega? Her lyrics sway between phenomenal and silly but the tunes are beautiful and the musicians and production she uses in the studio produce blistering quality. You can actually hear bubbles popping on her tongue and in her throat as she sings.
And she can still do it… https://youtu.be/AndEMO__p2U
And when you watch old actors like James Cagney and Carey Grant…..it’s time to play ‘pass the barf bag’!
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Yeah, Cash has that amazing three-note range. But I guess they aren’t any worse than Sonny and Cher. And remember, spook baby Joaquin Phoenix played Cash, reselling him as an icon. Phoenix, 5’2″ playing a 6’2″ Cash–great casting as usual. They must be related–that is the only thing that can explain it. It’s almost as bad as Robert Downey playing Sherlock Holmes. I’m just surprised they never cast Gary Coleman as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
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I didn’t know Joaquin Phoenix (Phoenics?) was 5’2″, so on a whim I looked him up (and his IMBD says 5’8″ but that puts him still a cockslength too short) and this is his current photo at Wikipedia, from 2017:
He looks like a complete spook, lacking only the black suit. Who the hell would dress like that for a film festival? It barely even looks like him. These guys somehow age terribly; perhaps the water in Langley comes straight from the swamp?
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Phoenicians being the immortal ones? Rising from the ashes of death like a Joaquin Rafael Phoenix Bottom ?
Joaquin is Hebrew…no really? Means, “established by God”.
See also Quin meaning “council” as in Harley Quinn….double N!
Although in the case of Harley Quinn it was she who needed the counselling hehehe!
The Harlequin was recognisable by it’s chequered costume (Masonic).
Rafael is Hebrew – we could have guessed – and means, “healed by God”.
The name Bottom seems to originate in Yorkshire, England and dates back to the early 1300s around the time of Henry III.
That should tie him into the British landed gentry. the Botham’s and simply means, “he who lives in a broad valley”.
Shall we go with ‘Established by God’s Council’ to explain his rise to stardom?
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Bottom in normal parlance means Ass!
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@lewis reid:
“Interesting article by John Pilger [reprinted in bigOfeature)…”
Good find Lewes. Pilger has managed to to unravel most of the storyline of how theses shows are constructed, but failed to join the dots together. He didn’t illustrate how the main players in this scene (Assad, Putin, May and Trump et al) are actually all working together to build the dramatic tension. As he’s an intelligent and experienced journalist, so I think it is very unlikely he would have missed this. Therefore I think it likely he is just another spook working for the team..
No surprise perhaps, as the whole of the media circus is employed by the owners of the Great Shoah. Like often happens in these types of scene, Pilger is simply acting as controlled opposition and wants to divert the public’s attention away from the fake blood and guts of this equally fake war.
An interesting little sub-plot to this affair is the fake staged assassination of anti-Brexit Labour MP Jo Cox, by a ‘Britain First’ fanatic. She was linked to the main story by working for a charity which supports the White Helmets, and her marriage to a man who worked for Oxfam, assisting Syrian refugees. They do like to embroider their storylines in this way, as it helps to keep the money rolling in. “40,000 people generously donated over £1.5 million to the Jo Cox Fund. This money is being used to support work in Yorkshire, across the UK and in Syria.”
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Titanic.
I have a few times come over the fact that both Astor and William Stead died therein, and have been thinking – It sounds too good to be true.
William Stead the Newspaper editor, friend of Lord Milner, inspiration of Cecil Rhodes and G B Shaw, had visions of journalism, which he called “Government by Journalism”. This in the time where the Protocols of Zion should have been made. He conferred his visions to Patrick Randolph Hearst, which we must conclude to have worked well.
His other grand case, the Abduction of a 13 year old prostitute, has its own wiki page, all this in favor of morality, he was able to raise the age of consent in protection of the poor and helpless. I don’t think so, I have seen no evidence yet, but i suspect this is the foundation of the commonwealth organized pedophilia crimes. To raise the age of consent is important in making legal fuss around the theme, including blackmail and how to make politicians very obedient.
W. Stead has never been outed as a Jew, which have its cause in him being the son of a protestant priest. However with that look and those friends, he would be an ordinary crypto-Jew. There is no problem for a Jew to be a priest in another religion. At least not one which is mostly made by Jews.
And he was allegedly – last seen clinging to a raft together with Astor. How scenographic. But it was the sighting of survivor Mr. Mock.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._T._Stead
Well, I found an archive of the victims. They have been clever and made biographies of many of them. I have looked a little on the 1st class passengers and have to say it looks interesting. There certainly are people there looking just like our study material.
But 1496 victims ? with biography? It would be hard to fake.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-victims/
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W.T. Stead (again from wiki):
He had published two pieces that gained greater significance in light of his fate on the Titanic. On 22 March 1886*, he published an article titled “How the Mail Steamer went down in Mid Atlantic by a Survivor”, wherein a steamer collides with another ship, resulting in a high loss of life due to an insufficient ratio of lifeboats to passengers. Stead had added: “This is exactly what might take place and will take place if liners are sent to sea short of boats”. In 1892, Stead published a story titled “From the Old World to the New”, in which a vessel, the Majestic, rescues survivors of another ship that collided with an iceberg.
Excerpt from “From the Old World to the New”:
“Oh, yes, about four are lost every year in that way. But even if we did strike an iceberg, we probably should not sink. The Arizona once went full speed into an iceberg, and crumpled up thirty feet of her nose. She did not sink, but got safely to Newfoundland. I hope, however, we shall not try a similar experiment.”
Mr Mock? Was there a Mr Travesty, Mr Farce, and/or Mr Sham?
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Faking stuff like Titanic lists is what INtel was made for. If they can fake the Las Vegas list, or fake large parts of WWII, I think they can fake a passenger list.
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Titanic DuJour ?
https://abc7ny.com/investigation-into-upstate-ny-limo-crash-that-killed-20/4433478/
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The Azores are not far away from the route of the Titanic, perhaps it was a drop off point for some? Then again, perhaps it was sunk to hide any design flaws or inferior components used in construction.
https://mapcollection.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/route-of-the-titanic-and-a-possible-path-for-the-iceberg/
Possible path? Radio controlled iceberg? Was the ‘iceberg’ a man made vessel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk
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There was a documentary on the TV not so long ago and the whole premise was that there was a coal fire aboard the Titanic and that started afore it left the harbour.
Deliberately started?
It’s like Jack the Ripper saga, with all these multiple scenarios to keep the story alive.
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More on Stead.
From his bio at the titanic victim site, we can read that he was also rumoured to spread pornography, which i dont think is much of a crime, but as he publicly preached morality, went to Chicago (already a hot point for jews in liberalism and communist and union work) to speak out against the depravity of prostitution and also publishing his book “If Jesus Christ came to Chicago”, we can at least see there is something behind his reputation as a liar.
His writings on the sinking of large ships have sometimes been described as predictions of a spiritual man, but it rather stands out as a masterplan. But how bad did his life go, since committing to the plan would forever say goodbye to his public life?
He launched the Daily Paper in 1904 and got nearly bankrupt, suffering a nervous breakdown. Another breakdown followed after his son’s death a few years after.
His engagement in spirituality deepened and he launched Julia’s Bureau in 1909. An office where people could get in touch with their beloved deceased. This page leaves Julia no merit, and the project was easy to dismiss as humbug. https://www.19.bbk.ac.uk/articles/659/print/
I would say it could something else than ordinary humbug, it could be an deliberate attempt on defaming spirituality. I have seen in footers references to his letter correspondences with Annie Besant, who as leader of the Theosophist movement came up with the saviour of the World; Krishnamurti. That this circus of humbuggery have not killed the Theosophists, tells us there is nothing within that movement to kill. It feeds on bad air.
William Stead ends his career of writing in 1912 by writing autobiographically what looks like a obituary of a great statesman and a noble pacifist. How timely.
https://attackingthedevil.co.uk/steadworks/
The victim list of Titanic. I would guess the 1st class passengers would be real and known persons who of diverse reasons would like a new start another place. 2nd class and lower, plus the workers, would be made up.
Azores is quite far south, Newfoundland and Nova scotia is closer and have had British colonies since the start.
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There’s a host of passengers whose bodies were never recovered.
Was the Azores more populated than Nova Scotia and Newfoundland might be the pertinent question.
Mark Twain wrote a book about his time on the Azores in 1869. A hangout for spooks? Bush, Blair, etc held a meeting afore the Iraq War there. ‘The culture, dialect, cuisine, and traditions of the Azorean islands vary considerably, because these once-uninhabited and remote islands were settled sporadically over a span of two centuries.’ Gleaned from Wiki as is the following-
‘One of the theories that have developed on the naming of the archipelago-

– The classical theory attributes the naming to the presence of diurnal birds of prey (some say goshawks, while others species of eagle), identified by Portuguese sailors at the time of discovery. But this theory has been discredited for the following reasons, since the only bird of prey identified as nesting in the archipelago is the common buzzard (Buteo buteo rothschildi), but it was only introduced during the period of colonization and settlement. Other possibilities: that sailors may have confused existing migratory birds for these birds of prey, these adventurers may have used colloquial names and attributed them to these species, or that some species of bird of prey may have become extinct since colonization.
PS The Buteo Buteo Rothschildi (!) or common buzzard looks a wee bit like a phoenix.
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Speaking of Rothschild, there were actually two Rothschilds on the Titanic, and one of them “died” in the sinking (LMAO). Mathis has also tied the Countess of Rothes, who was boarding 1st class, to this banking dynasty via the noble family she married into (Rothes). Rothes = Rothschild.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/elizabeth-jane-anne-rothschild.html
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-victim/martin-rothschild.html
” *Amusingly, we can link this paper to my Titanic paper, since a later Countess of Rothes, wife of the 19th Earl Norman Leslie, was an alleged heroine (rath) of that fake disaster, taking the tiller of her lifeboat and steering it to the rescuing Carpathia. You may also be interested to know that she was traveling with her husband’s cousin Gladys Cherry, since we saw that surname in my paper on Woody Allen. Woody is also a Cherry. Also a Stewart. Real name Alan Stewart Konigsberg.
…. The Rothschilds also very soon married into the line of the Smiths of Nottingham bankers. In fact, this link to the Stanhopes also linked the Rothschilds to the Smiths, since they were all one big happy. Hannah’s mother-in-law was the great-granddaughter of the Abel Smith we have seen in many previous papers. This links us to the Titanic story once again, since Captain Edward Smith of the Titanic was from these same lines. Which explains how the Countess of Rothes got involved in that hoax.* ”
Click to access rath.pdf
https://exploringrealhistory.blogspot.com/2020/10/who-are-rothschilds.html
Titanic “victim” Martin Rothschild was also the uncle of famous poet Dorothy Parker (nee Rothschild), showing you that family infiltrated and corrupted literature as well, like everything else. She was also on the “Hollywood blacklist” for her “left-wing views” (according to Wiki), but most likely that’s propaganda made to make her look like an ‘outsider’ to the more “conservative” establishment in American show-business and to sell her as an “intellectual liberal progressive” who was “championing human rights” (LMAO).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Parker
She was also very close to the Vanderbilts in her later years, tying us right back to the Lusitania hoax, which Mathis also recently exposed. Her friends were the parents of Anderson Cooper, whose mother was Gloria Vanderbilt.
Speaking of which, there was also a Rothschild on the Lusitania (nee Irma Bartlett). Cue the laugh track.
https://www.rmslusitania.info/people/saloon/irma-bartlett/
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The thought just occurred to me another reason it was sank because there was an actual murder committed aboard the Titanic and what better place to hide the body and any evidence and than at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean?
Just putting that out there as the scrap metal value must have been a tidy sum, and deliberately sending it to the bottom of the sea has an air of desperation about it to me.
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Hmmmm! How to get rid of quite a few people you don’t like? Multiple murders, lots of fish food? If the person wanting the deaths knew about the scuppering, or was the same person organising both?
Lewis it does seem very plausible. Or multiple fake suicides?
Didn’t Miles allude to that possibility?
Just another major event with nothing making sense as usual…with anything possible…
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We’re told the wreck of the Titanic was discovered in 1985 by Robert Ballard, a retired US Navy intelligence officer who was working with the Navy on a secret mission to find two sunken nuclear submarines in the same area (USS Thresher & Scorpion). After discovering and studying these wrecks the Navy let Ballard search for the sunken liner and found it.
Robert’s father was Chet Ballard, chief engineer at North American Aviation during the development of the Minuteman missile system in the early 1960’s.
Robert has received many awards and honors:
“He has received prestigious awards from the Explorers Club and the National Geographic Society—the Explorers Medal and the Hubbard Medal, respectively—as well as the Lindbergh Award. In 2003 President George W. Bush presented him with the National Endowment for the Humanities Medal in the Oval Office of the White House. He is currently a National Geographic Explorer-in-Residence.”
http://nautiluslive.org/people/robert-ballard
Other ship wrecks Robert Ballard has discovered or studied: The Bismarck, Lusitania, USS Yorktown, PT-109 and others.
So, this one guy, Robert Ballard, is a central figure in what we supposedly know about a number of major historical events.
Hmm … 🙂
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Well, ain’t THAT some dirt! You had me at “retired US Navy intelligence”.
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Yeah, I’m already beginning to think the ship was never sunk. All you would have to do is repaint and tag her, and change the smokestacks, then move her east. Maybe they sold her to Russia or China, with the agreement she would not be photographed or publicized. It is an idea worth pursuing. The owners wouldn’t wish to scupper something of that value. And the Gardiner theory may be a veiled hint in that direction. If they could pull one switch, why not two?
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Whatever floats your boat……
Ballard as in James Graham Ballard, the sci-fi writer, among his most famous works are ‘The Atrocity Exhibition,’ ‘Empire of the Sun’ and ‘Crash,’ each of which was later adapted into a feature film. ‘Later he enrolled for a medical program in King’s College at Cambridge to become a Psychiatrist. During this time he wrote extensively inspired by psychoanalysts and painters.’ (https://www.famousauthors.org/j-g-ballard)
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Good grief; not again. It is always the insanely simplest solution to the wheeze that is the winner. I’m still happy though — no massive loss of life and I can wipe the trauma story from my mind. Yes, the lies are evil but our so-called masters are revealed as cheap and sleazy. There isn’t an old con-artist behind the curtain rather an unwashed drunk who thinks he is king of thieves.
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Coincidence?:
Violet Constance Jessop (2 October 1887 – 5 May 1971) was an Irish Argentine ocean liner stewardess and nurse who is known for surviving the disastrous sinkings of both the R.M.S. TITANIC and her sister ship, the H.M.H.S. BRITANNIC in 1912 and 1916, respectively. In addition, she had been on board the R.M.S. OLYMPIC, the eldest of the three sister ships, when it collided with a British warship in 1911. Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_Jessop
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Hah! Sounds like Mason Wells, the Mormon missionary who survived/witnessed the Boston, Paris and Brussels ‘terror attacks.’
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Don’t forget “Jessica Ghawi” who didn’t quite make it the second time around: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Woman+survived+Toronto+shooting+only+killed+Dark+Knight+rampage+mourned/7006521/story.html
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Jesus, they aren’t even trying with these things anymore.
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“was an Irish Argentine ocean liner stewardess and nurse who is known for surviving the disastrous sinkings of both the R.M.S. TITANIC and her sister ship, the H.M.H.S. BRITANNIC in 1912 and 1916, respectively. In addition, she had been on board the R.M.S. OLYMPIC, the eldest of the three sister ships, when it collided with a British warship in 1911”
So one of the early crisis actors maybe? An insurance spook, perhaps watching things turned out as planned, and reporting back?
She sails on 2 ships which sank and one which exploded and almost sank, yet decided to carry on sailing.
Maybe she wore a ‘No Fear’ t-shirt at weekend pheasant, shoots?
Thanks for the link….it makes interesting reading.
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Is it possible that the Titanic herself never even existed? That may also explain the Olympic-Hawke collision, which “happened” in September 1911 (nines and ones, as usual, like 9/11), months before the Titanic “collided” with an iceberg and “sank”. Perhaps they needed the Olympic for the Titanic project and they realized a fake collision would serve as a perfect cover for the Olympic‘s makeover. The story also served as a perfect psyop to prime the public for the upcoming Titanic hoax. With that accomplished, they got busy refurbishing the Olympic as the Titanic for several months: changes in window configurations, changing nameplates, augmenting the interiors a little, etc., etc. Then they sent the “Titanic” to sail on her “maiden voyage” in April 1912 with her (preselected) passengers and crew, staged a live-action boat drill near the coast of Newfoundland, emptied the ship, then sailed the Titanic back to Belfast and reverted her back to the Olympic.
http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1106&sid=f0f9007222c9b93c1f77af36fd93e9ae&start=15#p2360274
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Olympic#Hawke_collision
Here are photos from the 1911 collision. The left picture looks like a paste-up. The right picture looks almost like a painting or heavily drawn over. Miles Mathis has included this one in his paper on the Titanic hoax.
Here is a colored photo of the Olympic (background) and the Titanic (foreground) in Belfast, after the Olympic-Hawke collision. It looks to be another paste-up. It’s very likely the ship in front of the “damaged” Olympic was copied from the ship in the background, resized, repainted, had three of her four funnels removed, windows blacked out, and repasted into the photograph as the Titanic in the early stages of her fitting out.
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Keep in mind that the Olympic was on a return trip to the UK from the US during the Titanic “disaster”, which confirms my claim that she was still in operation at the time after the “accident” with HMS Hawke several months earlier. She was headed by Herbert Haddock, who was initially the captain of the Titanic before E. J. Smith assumed the role. Haddock was also a member of the Order of the Bath (CB) and a chaperon to King George V, so he wasn’t a nobody.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Olympic#Titanic_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Haddock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Bath
The Haddock bloodline:
http://www.4crests.com/haddock-coat-of-arms.html
https://www.houseofnames.com/haddock-family-crest
The Olympic left Southampton for New York a week before the “Titanic” left the same port for the same destination on April 10th. The Titanic was allegedly completing sea trials at the same time. I think it’s likely that the photos we have of the Titanic during her maiden voyage actually show the Olympic disguised as the fictional Titanic on her fictional “first” and “final” voyage. It’s likely the photos weren’t even taken during the Titanic’s maiden voyage to New York. Most likely those were taken well before that. That means the whole “maiden voyage” was fake too, just like the sinking.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/community/threads/olympic-sailings-in-1912.3670/
http://ssmaritime.com/RMS-Olympic.htm
“RMS Titanic left Southampton on April 10, 1912 for her maiden voyage to New York, whilst the Olympic departed New York at 3 PM on April 13. There was considerable excited chatter amongst passengers and crew that the two ships would pass each other at sea. However, as fate would have it on April 14, 1912 at 11.40 PM the Titanic struck the iceberg and commenced to list.”
There are too many tell-tale signs to make any of this a coincidence. The timing and the circumstances all fit for a single vessel faking two ships, two voyages, and one disaster at the same time.
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DYK Dorothy Gibson released the first Titanic movie a month after the “disaster”? I’m not joking! She even wore the nightgown that she wore on the ship in the film, which added an “authentic” touch to the production (LMAO). Since the disaster would still be fresh in her mind, it seems extremely odd that a person who just survived a horrible tragedy would capitalize on it by producing a film about what happened and making money off of it. Conveniently, the B&W silent film is lost because all the known copies were “destroyed” in a fire in March 1914, three months before the First World War broke out, according to Wikipedia. Convenient.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saved_from_the_Titanic
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Gibson was one of the first people to leave the Titanic in lifeboat no. 7. Seven, as we all know, is an occult symbol and a hoax code. This hoax is “drowned” in numerology and allegorical references (Titanic means Titan/Satan, etc., etc.).
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I suspect the burning of the film copies was an insurance scam, too. 1914 was also the year the Empress of Ireland sank in Canada. It’ll make a very interesting paper, I am sure.
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And this was just posted to imgur: https://imgur.com/gallery/6ukWqhE
Coincidence?
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Making the Spooks steppin’ and fetchin’ , like their heads are on fire and their asses are catchin’
( thank you Charlie Daniels )
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Dickseanery definition describes a saboteur as a person who deliberately causes wrecks but can you think of a spooky synonym? How about diversionist?
Sabotage:
An attack calculated to draw enemy defence away from the point of the principal attack….. (or draw attention away from what’s really happening?)
A turning aside of your course – attention – concern.
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Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP) is a mental health problem in which a caregiver makes up or causes an illness or injury in a person under his or her care, such as a child, an elderly adult, or a person who has a disability. Because vulnerable people are the victims, MSBP is a form of child abuse or elder abuse.
Global version with societies as the victims ?
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Good catch Rolleikin, love the stage name they chose for this spooky actor who is obviously a bit of a stud, although not quite in the same league as Roddy Bottum and his band-mate Mike Bordin…
Robert Ballard – Bob Ball Hard. in pun-speak.
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Interesting to see that Ballard mostly discovers wrecks of ships that sunk under shaky circumstances if at all.
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NOTICE ON NEW COMMENT FORMATTING:
I just changed the comment formatting to allow a maximum of 4 levels of nested comments. The advantage is that comment replies will no longer get squished along the side. The main disadvantage is that if you want to reply to a comment, you’ll have to go back to the previous level and just reply to that one. If you don’t think it’s clear who you’re responding to, you can always use their name (with or without the @ symbol) to make it clear. Let’s try this out to see if it helps. If it starts to get confusing, I may bite the bullet and upgrade to the professional plan so I can use plug-ins to solve the problem.
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Thanks, Josh. I usually click on Reply and the text usually spreads out, but sometimes there is no Reply link whatsoever.
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I think that happens when you are more than 9 or 10 responses deep. Now it will happen after only a few. Just go up to the nearest ‘reply’ button in that thread to carry on.
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Yes i love it already. Find it so annoying to read one word pr line that i paste it over to a word document.
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I can’t believe I didn’t do it earlier. I read the comments through the admin portal, so I don’t have to see the narrow columns…
By the way, Miles pulled hard on the William Stead thread you found and ended up adding 7 new pages to the Titanic paper, which he put up on the site yesterday.
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It’s a bit off-topic but I suspect the two submarines they were supposedly looking for when they “found the Titanic” didn’t sink either.
– USS Thresher (SSN-593) lost 10 April 1963 with 129 crew
– USS Scorpion (SSN-589) lost 22 May 1968, with 99 crew
Both sank allegedly due to unknown causes in the North Atlantic. Coincidentally, the Scorpion was one of four subs that were lost in 1968. The other three being from Israel, France and the USSR.
And, why were they searching for the subs twenty years after they sank? One possible reason might be that the technology to dive that deep didn’t exist before and they wanted to find them and close the cases on the causes. But, the causes are still only given as possible causes so there is still only conjecture on them.
But, I think that maybe faking “lost submarines” would be an excellent way of gaining young able-bodied operatives for psy-op type events involving large groups. And, there were plenty of such events in the mid to late 1960s and beyond. So, maybe that’s what this was all about.
After all, who’s gonna know if there really is a wrecked sub at the bottom of thousands of feet of ocean? All you’d have to do is fake some communications and records, hide the sub somewhere and say it sank.
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Just came across this short piece from the NY Times,…
“Capt. Herbert James Haddock, a former commodore of the old White Star Line, died today (06-10-46). His age was 85.
During the first World War he commanded a dummy fleet of wooden dreadnoughts and battle cruisers. As commodore he served with the Britanic, [sic] German, [sic] Cedric, Oceanic and Olympic.
Captain Haddock, a former aide de camp to the King, was made a Companion of the Order of the Bath in 1902. In 1893 he married Mabel Bouchette of Quebec, who died in 1935.
In April 1912, Captain Haddock was in command of the White Star liner Olympic en route from New York to Southampton when her sister ship, the Titanic, westward bound, while making her maiden voyage, struck an iceberg and sank in one of the greatest ocean disasters. The Olympic was 500 miles away and hastened to the rescue but resumed her course when 100 miles from the scene of the sinking when informed there was nothing to be gained by continuing to that point. For a time the Olympic wireless room acted as a sort of clearing house for radio messages relating to the accident.
Captain Haddock was an exceedingly modest man who hated to see his name in the newspapers.”
His brief bio smells a bit fishy to me, especially him being awarded the Order of the Bath in 1902. Perhaps he was actually a member of his Majesties Secret Service.
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“His brief bio smells a bit fishy to me,”
Herbert Haddock — a fishy name aswell 😀
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Just read the Titanic update, I can’t believe Miles didn’t call the ‘Imperator’, the impersonator, as a wee pun.
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Lol. Indeed.
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http://luxurylinerrow.com/titanic-mystery-eric-sauder-brian-hawley/
“Mr. and Mrs. George W. Vanderbilt and their daughter, Miss Cornelia, after spending the winter in Paris, are again at Biltmore House, congratulating themselves upon their narrow escape from sailing on the Titanic. Their plans were all made to book passage on the ill-fated steamer, but Mr. Vanderbilt, fearing the coal strike might cause delay in the sailing of the vessel, persuaded Mrs. Vanderbilt, at a few days’ notice, to get ready for the Olympic. Their man, who waited over to look after some of their baggage, was lost.” The Olympic sailed a week earlier.
Another Vanderbilt, Alfred Gwynne, went on the Lusitania, body never recovered.
George Vanderbilt, 47 (!) year old philanthropist and sportsman, plunged to his death tonight from his tenth-floor suite in the Mark Hopkins Hotel 6/6/61. The police listed the death as an apparent suicide.
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False history never falls to rest.
It will inspire to new rounds and new points of view, because what is – is insubstantial and feels unsatisfactory on a deep level. The perpetrators of the hoaxes also keep spinning as they want to solidify the apparent case or bask in the triumph of the perfect crime.
As a sideeffect artefacts of Titanic has become highly profitable. That would make diving explorations or faked ones very profitable as a credible source for the artefacts must be given to give them authencity. They could have been collected at wrecks at 40 feet and not at the 1200 feet which “Titanic” is said to lie.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/archive/titanic/bid-launched-to-secure-collection-of-titanic-artefacts-37149308.html
http://www.titanicuniverse.com/a-titanic-controversy-stanley-lord/3075
Miles writes about captain Lord Stanley (1877 – 1962) , but not what he did. That is well written here. As his ship was the closest to Titanic and they watched their rockets, actions should have been made…
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Filming the wreck.
The Ballard investigations are compromised and not credible as he is exposed as a “retired” military intelligence officer. They are never retired, they just say so when executing an operation demanding neutrality. To make his photos credible, another crew from a reliable and unconnected group must show pics done in same location and angles.
The next team to dive.
Emory Kristof, photographer of the IMAX film Titanica, a documentary of the wreck, is most known for his works for National Geographic, another highly suspect actor. Some of his photos are seen here and the bench i have linked to as first, is a joke to be called evidence. The propel which he shot is very small compared to the one which is seen at the wharf. See that shining caserole? Shining metal is an anomality in nature, and even more under water. However these details has nothing to do with our case. There is no place where there is shown proof that this is Titanic and not the revamped Olympic. Thats the question of interest.
https://www.gettyimages.no/photos/rms-olympic-ship?sort=mostpopular&mediatype=photography&phrase=rms%20olympic%20ship
In this same link we can also see other pictures of the damages on Olympic and also Hawke. These pics seem more trustworthy than the ones Miles found, and it is funny that this day when the pics were taken of Hawke, the waters actually looked like they was painted by impressionists.
Also note that it was Captain Edward Smith of Titanic fame, who was the captain of Olympic as the ship collided with Hawke. As he was found guilty, no insurance was paid for Olympic. Bitter story for JP Morgan. It could very well be that Captain Smith was held personally accountable and had to provide special services to make up for the collision. Such idiotic accidents at sea was very common as captains and crew could be drunk to the point of insanity. But there is probably some hearing somewhere which could elaborate.
Titanic diving tours delayed until 2019.
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/titanic-wreck-dives/index.html
This article also says there is chance for the ship to disappear all together by 2030 because of a super bacteria. This is backed up here: https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/natural-wonders/the-titanic-wreckage-may-completely-vanish-by-the-year-2030/news-story/7cbb049e504f4d3c2b3016c4add47109
Also containing another unbelievable photo, (model)
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“This article also says there is chance for the ship to disappear all together by 2030 because of a super bacteria”.
Now that is one hell of a great idea to get rid of evidence. Looks like we may see more reference to these super-bacteria in the future. What will they think of next?
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Reading this silliness about “super bacteria” eating the wreck and seeing the fake photos clinches it for me:
The whole thing was indeed a hoax. The Titanic didn’t sink, there is no Titanic wreck and nobody died that day back in 1912.
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That must the same bacteria that consumed honesty, truth, integrity and authenticity. Gaddamn super-bugs!
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John Piermont Morgan. 1837 – 1913.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._P._Morgan
The step from not accepting the official story of accident is one where somebody will be accused for crimes, and it shouldn’t be easy going. Also the story of JP Morgans revenge is one where we have to look for and show that he had both cynicism and also practical influence enough to make it happen. As i now see the wiki page on him i realize i may remember him wrong, I have always associated him with Kuhn & Loeb and Jacob Schiff, but they are not mentioned here. But seeing elsewhere, that K&L were the banker of John D Rockefeller, and then seeing the Rockefellers as the main owners of J.P Morgans businesses, they appear as a cartel or a concealed monopoly. Jacob Schiff is known for financing the Russian/Japanese war, and also the Jewish revolution in Russia 1917, which makes them as evil as you get them.
JPM is also noted as a Christian, a lifelong member of the Episcopal Church. He started banking in the fathers business Morgan, Peabody and co. It might be that the family Morgans was not in the center of events or even in the family, and it made him eager to please these hindmen who probably wanted him to deliver the goods. Maybe Miles have something to say about the elder Morgan family.
JPM was out for monopoly on atlantic lines or travel. A group of shipping magnates founded the IMM (International Mercantile Marine Co.) in 1902 and it was bankrolled by JPM who led it.
They bought the white star lines, the company to build Titanic, and its owner was already a part of the IMM, Mr Joseph Bruce Ismay 12 December 1862 – 17 October 1937, who also was the president of White Star Lines in the year Titanic sank.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bruce_Ismay
Bruce Ismay received much of the vitriol of the press as he survived Titanic in a lifeboat. Hearst press called him Brute Ismay and ran a campaign against him. This nickname i think was a rather bad step, if they really wanted him badly tagged they should have called him Bruce d’Ismay. His photo shows somebody i will class as a Rouen Jew, like Astor IV. I think he is important as JPM could probably not effectuate these plans without his knowing and consent. It was the White line family who have had all the contact with the Wharf in Belfast and so would be the ones organizing the switch. Unfortunately there is not much info on him, and his family.
But could Ismay effectuate the switch without the knowledge of the wharf’s owners? Probably not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harland_and_Wolff
Of these two do German born Wolff (1834 – 1913) stand out, his father converted from judaism in 1819, but as we see – Wolff drew advantages of Judaism still, as they were able to attract Jewish customers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Wilhelm_Wolff
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Very thorough and very interesting. Thank you.
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I covered jp Morgan in part 1 of my Smedley Butler paper. I showed JP was descended in direct line from the Spencers as in Churchill-Spencer, Princess Diana Spencer etc.
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Oh you want me to be finished now?
Well i am sorry – but this is a big case and needs a lot of work. I have taken free from the office this week and i can write even more.
Was there a schism between Morgan and other bankers at the Titanic?
Susie Pak released a book on Morgan and the other bankers called “Gentlemen Bankers”, which could look like an exoneration of their acts, but it is rather a study on their network and interactions, and we should have no hard time understand they could treat eachother as gentlemen. Her book is reviewed here and there while she wrote an eight side pdf as a short reference, entitled “WRITING BIOGRAPHY AS A HISTORY OF NETWORKS: WHY THE STORY OF J.P. MORGAN NEEDS JACOB H. SCHIFF”
Click to access bu55_069.pdf
I still think there is space for schism among these, but what are the signs, and what is not part of a controlled opposition scheme? I am also reading “Clash of Dynasties: Why Gov. Nelson Rockefeller Killed Jfk, Rfk, and Ordered …” by Richard James DeSocio
https://books.google.no/books?id=P9EoDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=no#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Crazy eyes – check , NASA t-shirt – check , 33 & 88 signs in the background – check : Faked event ?
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Leaving aside whether the event was faked, this news segment is fake and crazy. I take it this is a few days after the crash. So they ask the grieving relatives to get up in the dark of morning and stand near traffic and road signs for an interview?!?! How very natural and authentic! I hope these people got paid.
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Funny how these people suffering tragic deaths are always portrayed as awesome, beautiful, caring, loyal, skilled, helpful, hard working, conscientious, gentle and a shining example to the rest of mankind.
They never turn round and call the dead person a git, or someone who didn’t give a shit about anyone else. Strange that! Don’t arseholes ever get tragically killed?
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I remember reading a Readers Digest article in the 1970s about an eyewitness account and sketch of the ship splitting on the surface — I now see that as an indication that they were working on the Ballard story since at least that time. It is easy to find the sketch online nowadays.
“These sketches were outlined by John B Thayer Jnr on the day of the disaster and afterwards filled in by L D Skidmon of Brooklyn”
The funny thing is that the ship depicted in the first panel, at rest on the iceberg (did it do a side wheelie?) looks more like the Majestic, i.e. the Titanic with an extra level added, as suggest by Miles. Never-mind that the viewpoint is impossible until at least the boats are lowered and rowed to a safe distance, so that rules out at least the first two sketches.
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Those sketches might be from a pamphlet published in 1940 for “friends and family” by Thayer, as you do. So there’s the probably manufactured provenance of the above sketches, i.e. a 1940s pamphlet that turns up on the 1970s 😉
“In 1940, Thayer shared his experiences with the Titanic’s sinking in vivid detail, in a self-published pamphlet titled The Sinking of the S.S. Titanic; 500 copies were printed for family and friends.[1][5] Oceanographer Robert Ballard used it to determine the location of the Titanic and proved that the ship had split in half as it sank, contrary to popular belief.[2] Thayer was among those who clearly reported seeing the Titanic break in two, as it was finally confirmed by Ballard’s discovery of the wreck. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thayer#Titanic_accounts
You’d think all the witnesses would’ve seen the thing split on the surface. My question — why do The Liars That Be need to add even more colour to the story, i.e. it breaking apart…perhaps so that it will dispel any notion of Raising the Titanic?
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The same Thayers were also related to Mark Twain, whom Mathis uncovered some years ago. Twain was also reputed to have been a good friend of ‘Molly’ Brown (nee Tobin) from Hannibal, Missouri. Brown would become a Broadway actress in her later years. There was a Francis Browne on the Titanic, a Jesuit priest from Ireland, the ancestral home of ‘The Unsinkable’ ‘Molly’ Brown. Birds of a feather flock together.
Click to access twain.pdf
https://mollybrown.org/many-myths-molly-brown/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Browne
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Tobin appears to be a Jewish name, since it is a variant of Tobias, a common Hebrew name in Europe. That sheds new light on ‘The Unsinkable Molly Brown’ if true.
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/tobin/52/
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/tobin/642/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobias
For more information, read about the history of Jewish settlement in Ireland.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland
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“You’d think all the witnesses would’ve seen the thing split on the surface.”
Actually, most of the Titanic witnesses said that they did see the ship split on or near the surface. Only four survivors (all employed by the WSL) said that they did not see her break. Their eyewitness testimonies were favored over that of the vast majority’s by the American and British inquiries into the disaster, which is rather odd.
Click to access wormstedt.pdf
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There is also a video on the V-break theory, as presented by a YouTuber named Aaron1912. See for yourself:
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There was also another contemporary depiction of the breakup. It was made shortly after the sinking.
Doesn’t that look familiar to these examples?
Predictive programming is how I call it.
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Miles Mathis is a thief. He steals my work and takes credit for it. I am the person that found the MIC in the Oswald killing. I am the one that after I make a post two weeks later he steals the work and put the post on his site. He even does this in order of when I post the info. I own wellaware1com I am dallasgoldbug. He is a fraud and I challenge him to a debate. Plus I hold the copyright on all my work and will sue him if he continues his theft of my work.
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Wow, all was pretty quiet on the obnoxious shill front, but no sooner did I write that “If things really started to get out of hand I might have to ask people to register, but for now things are going pretty smoothly except for a few minor hiccups” than they began to come out of the woodwork. There was somebody else yesterday trying to post complete gobbledygook that I didn’t even approve. Now Ed Chiarini, the guy who thinks that JFK assumed the identity of Jimmy Carter, because, well, they obviously look so much alike. Here is an excerpt about Ed from Miles’ paper on chemtrails from April 2015:
‘His paid assignment is to create confusion. He posts a lot of ridiculously bad evidence—especially concerning facial matches
and photo analysis—to purposely muddy the waters. His job is to make your average person think that all photo analysis and facial analysis is done by crazy people. So that when you see analysis like mine, you think of Chiarini and your stomach turns sour….
‘Fetzer promoted the work of Chiarini on his radio show, which is when I finally knew Fetzer was a mole. Fetzer comes off as kind of dense sometimes, but no one is dense enough to believe Chiarini’s schtick. Fetzer is ex-military and ex-academia, so he simply can’t be foolish enough to think Chiarini is onto something—especially when Chiarini is claiming JFK is the same person as Jimmy Carter, etc. You would have to be either legally blind or clinically insane to accept any of Chiarini’s analysis as earnest, much less true. I don’t believe Fetzer is either one, so the only other alternative is that he is misdirecting his audience on purpose.
‘Chiarini recently emailed me, saying this: “Are you going to credit me, or just steal my stuff outright?” After a good chuckle, I decided to reply. I assume he had just read my Kennedy paper, but it might have been my Lennon paper. Rather than take his bait, I counterattacked. In several papers on my science site, I have schooled my readers on how to deal with these people, and rule number one is don’t let them control the argument. Never let yourself be put on the defensive. I answered…. “Look DullesBoldPest, why don’t you try your schtick on someone who might believe it? Do they really pay you to write that stuff? Oooo, I know, tell your audience of 100,000 sockpuppets and 12 real people that you and I are the same person, based on your latest biometric reading. Tell them that you have discovered an exact match between your face and my ass.”’
Now shoo, you pest.
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Ed who?
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From this, I gather the spooks want us to register? All the more reason not too. Though I admit to not knowing how it might benefit. I missed that discussion.
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Somehow I ended up on a page with a 2 yr old discussion, and commented before I saw the date. Don’t mind me haha.
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This is excellent feedback for Miles because it indicates that his recent Titanic papers have ruffled some feathers and rankled some spooky minds.
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You’re pathetic.
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Not that I needed it, but this is just more confirmation that Miles is definitely on the right track with his most recent papers.
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You’re a thief of the 30 seconds I spent reading your drivel of a post. I demand a full return of investment on that time immediately, or I will call my lawyer.
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I was way too fast on Harland and Wolff.
Harland died 1894 and Wolff retired in 1906 at age 68, also being more occupied with his own rope company. But before i dismiss them from any responsibility, i have to tell; the way they found eachother was by Wolffs mothers family Schwabe, who were wealthy jewish merchants who also had converted. Harlands aunt had married into this family. Wolffs uncle Schwabe along with Thomas Ismay (Bruce Ismay’s father, who had just bought the bankrupted White Star Line) proposed to create a new shipping line capable of competing with the well-established Cunard and Inman lines on the profitable North Atlantic run. The company was registered as the Oceanic Steam Navigation Company Sept. 1869. So we see that the monopoly idea was here even before JPM came along.
After Harlands death the company came to be owned by Wolff and William J Pirrie, the Viscount and also Lord Mayor of Belfast 1896-98. He became partner already in 1874, after being employed for twenty years. It was him who led the company in the Titanic years and to his death in 1924. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Pirrie,_1st_Viscount_Pirrie
Harland and Wolff became the largest wharf of the world and played a central role for the formation of Northern Ireland. Both Wolff and Pirrie were Unionists as they call it, for they want no union of Ireland, but with UK (City of London) and the protestant legacy of Oliver Cromwell.
Wiki says Pirrie was made viscount in 1921 for his work of WAR and charity. What wars is not mentioned but we may guess the socalled Anglo-Irish war 1918-21, or the Irish Independence war.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/harland-and-wolff-and-the-partition-of-ulster.html
As we should know the Ulster partition has been a wound all its days, and the sphere of Northern Ireland has been notably cold, thanks to the elite who have been able to keep the parts polarized.
Of course do i think Warlord Pirrie could be capable to give his good customer the chance of making a switch. And if he had loyal workers? He was surely among those who amassed Loyalists. Would they even employ Catholics at that wharf? And the days of Titanic smelled conflict. The first paramilitary group to occur in this conflict was the Ulster volunteers in 1912.
Pirrie doesnt sound of look Irish, but more like Jews like Austrian Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk and also Heinrich Himmler. His genealogy is available but it doesnt tell me anything.
Nice reply Josh : )
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The Families did not want an independent and united Ireland. I also suspect Ireland of harbouring a ridiculous number of spooks and Family members as a percentage of the population. I think the Republic of Ireland is riddled with Masons and that Northern Ireland is a swamp of MI5 spookery. Sure as part of the peace process MI5 was provided a regional HQ in Northern Ireland — how the heck does that ensure peace? That just tells me that the place is a testing ground for more fake events, false narratives, social-engineering and all around brainf**king bulls**t.
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Fenians Wolfe Tone and Patrick Pearse [amongst others] and Unionist Edward Carson (d 22 Oct) all went to the same spooky place King’s Inn. Their portraits are a giveaway.
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Just so you know, psychological operations is ramping up again, whether it is because of my Titanic paper or one of the others, I don’t know. I suspect it has more to do with my Hawking genealogy paper. They are really pissed that I won that one, you know, and they probably aren’t happy I keep hitting them on it. DullesGoldPest has been filling my inbox with his usual slop, which isn’t even readable anymore. You got a taste of it above. It reads like it is being written by a bot or by a teenage girl in Indonesia. He said he was going to write a story exposing me and I told him to get after it. Instead he comes here and flops around. I am getting equally well argued emails on Las Vegas, which is informative, and they may be from the Chiarini Roundish Table as well. I guess after I thrashed K. Starr they decided to go back to the previous method: sick the new recruits on me in bulk, as well as the senile and sloshed, like Chiarini. WHy pay top dollar for an attack piece when they can get a dozen at bargain prices? The result is the same: they lose.
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Maybe this idiotic blurb is his “exposé”?:
https://www.wellaware1.com/mileswmathis/
For a guy who claims to be a published author of books and a patent holder, Chiarini sure doesn’t seem to know the first thing about copyright or even what the word means.
“Miles thinks he can just claim he discovered something years before someone else but what he failed to do and I did, was to file for the copyright. So if he wants to play games, I will sue him. I have filed for and received the copyright on all my work and continue to copyright my material to protect it from thieves like Miles Mathis”
His job appears to be looking and acting like a complete moron, thereby discrediting by association anyone who challenges the lies we’re told by our controllers.
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I looked at his expose. I see what he is trying to do. He is actually slandering me trying to get me to sue. But he posts a nice pic of me looking far better than he has ever looked, and quotes extensively from my site. So I am quite content. I think his real numbers are actually miniscule, but if he wants to send a few more people my way, I won’t complain.
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There’s been a rather dramatic upswing in anti-Miles sentiment in the social forums too, lately. One of my “libertarian-anarchist” friends refuses to accept that nukes aren’t real, claiming they are the chief reason we can’t just all divorce the governments – and that’s fine. I don’t care what he believes, personally. But he’s got a wide audience and every time he brings it up lately, I drop our mountains of evidence against them.
And the worms crawl from the woodwork in droves. And not one of them has had a real rebuttal, in every case they send rookies. So far the only original response to the physics was some idiot who said, “No, photons are PACKETIZED ENERGY resulting from a collision of particles and anti-particles.”
Packetized. Energy.
That’s seriously the best they can do.
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Don’t you know light is sent in the same way as tcp/ip data? duh!
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I just got done battering yet another, on the topic of climate change, in which he stated that CO2 caused Venus’s heat and thus, we are all doomed. He then claimed it was a “cascade” effect here from which there is no escape.
And in yet another thread today, it was the same old pathetic “modernism” bullshit (because of Banksy’s recent bullshit) where art MUST HAVE A MESSAGE. They’re pushing the propaganda ever-harder, and it seems like in many of the areas Miles has hit a number of times. Admittedly that could be my bias, since perhaps I pick those arguments knowing he’s armed me to the teeth with his writings, but where I used to have a few debates a week on these topics now it’s a few a day. Of course I could just ignore them, I mean it’s just fucking Facebook, but when the time is available it feels right to batter these clowns to their knees, and as often as possible.
Why bother? Because of the audience, chiefly my friends. It’s THEIR friends spouting this horseshit, not mine (usually). People I don’t know, who may or may not be spooks. But I’m finding that most of my real friends appreciate or even enjoy the efforts – not because of me being me, but because the arguments I make and especially the ones I borrow from Mathis make sense. The points from the opponents never do. And I think sensible folk prefer making sense, and prefer natural and logical answers. It’s a small fight and I’m a tiny fighter, but to me it’s worth the fight just the same. Trouncing the spoopy-types in internet-public makes any readers think, something that we just don’t see enough of.
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But packetised energy does exist Jared….I have photographic proof…

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I just find it more and more unbelievable that people would believe in such garbage science. For a long time I just chalked it up to Miles’ papers being relatively (relativistically?) new, and not widely circulated enough yet. But it’s been over 15 years and that cannot be an excuse any longer.
They’re pushing the bullshit physics because his work is having a great impact on the field, with more and more folk absorbing it and “coming over” all the time. So while not every person we debate with works directly for Langley, many of them do and the rest work indirectly and unpaid, promoting their horse shit.
Packetized energy. What’s the packet made of? How can you have energy with no matter? It’s just so goddamn pathetic I can’t excuse it as stupidity anymore. It’s blatant misdirection to me, now, and I’m done pulling any punches. These people want to hide and nullify the quest for truth and worship idiocy, and they deserve absolutely no mercy.
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I was thinking that the gambit is to accuse you of stealing his stuff, so anybody reading that page (of which I suppose there are very few) will not bother to look at your work assuming it to be derivative. Which of course it is not. And they will probably send more people your way than turn them off.
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Maybe we were getting hit hard yesterday because it was Crowley’s birthday.
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The Olympic collision with HMS Hawke.
I found no Inquiry papers but the story is told several places and made little sense before somebody told it in details. No one accused Captain Edward Smith to be drunk, so that is to be forgotten. The story in full i found in the book “Titanic and her sisters: A postcard history.” (illustrated by postcards.)
Chapter Three.
https://books.google.no/books?id=sS1mBAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=no#v=onepage&q&f=false
The basic of the story as i see it:
In the passage between Isle of Wight and the mainland the Olympic was making a reverse s turn. The passing Hawke had speed and was by the Olympic’s propellors suck drawn from course and collided.
The power suction of the propellors was already known to cause problems, particularly in shallow waters, as Olympic earlier this year in June had sucked the tug O.L. Hallenbach to crash with her.
This is a thing Captain E. Smith should have known. Also, changing course on such a large ship is an operation but just turning off the propellors for a passing boat is a simple act. So, – he demonstratedly was to blame for the accident ! He lost his 1 000$ bonus for that year, but as the damage on the ship is expected to be higher than the estimate of 125 000$ of repairs, we can safely argue that he morally owed Bruce Ismay and JP Morgan something of value and was under pressure.
That the damage was greater than admitted do also the titanic conspiracy debunkers write about. But the owners might have known more than they ever will have said.
https://titanicconspiracydebunked.wordpress.com/damage-from-the-collision-between-rms-olympic-and-hms-hawke-was-more-significant-than-admitted/
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Bruce Ismay, surviving the Titanic, is still written about.
And the mill goes around with the same noise. That he could survive the Titanic.
Frances Wilson (1964-) got published “How To Survive the Titanic; or The Sinking of J Bruce Ismay (Bloomsbury, 2011) Winner of the Elizabeth Longford Prize for historical biography, 2012.
This time its a emotional story delving into his letter conversations with widow Thayer, who’s man died in the same, who’s son Jack B. also provided the accounts of the ship breaking in two before it sank, plus that he despite the loss of his father spent his time consoling the shocked and grieving Ismay, who was recorded to have been on carpathia all 4 days on opiates with personal lugar. Maybe Jacks kindness was spurred by vibes telling him Ismay was to become his stepfather? Well, It dwindled away, as one day Widow Thayer ceased to return Ismays letters.
Frances book is anxious to take party with Ismay, but does. And I think she has got a point, but doesn’t really make it.
The Hearst press which ran the great campaign have a connection point to this story in William Stead, who’s idea came true. Meaning they could be helpful in handling the hoax. And to hide any question on Ismays responsibility, they started a storm of blaming and ridicule – on a wrong question. Classic misleading. For thats whats written about Ismay, I have found nothing else so far.
Wolffs uncle seems more interesting.
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Gustavus_Schwabe
Gustav Christian Schwabe, (1813–1897) shipowner, financier, art collector. He comes in linking our persons, as he financed and helped Harland to start the yard, before he introduced him to Wollf. He was also the one who financed Thomas Ismay, so he could buy the bankrupt White star, and also found the Oceanic Steam navigation & co. He also invested heavily in John Bibby and co, who commisioned many ships from Harland and Wolff.
Gustavus Schwabe was the son of Rosalie Marie Levy, and was therefore a Levite. The spirit of Monopoly and genocide. Just see the bible. (btw Henry Kissinger is a Loeb too)
The Schwabes origin in Germany was from Dessau where some of them were elders in the Jewish community, and there we also find several Schwabes recorded as Schutzjuden, (protected jews). Other members of the family moved to Manchester in the decade of 1820 to start up the manufacturing business.
GC Schwabe stayed in Liverpool, where also White Star Lines had office – in James road 30. I remember walking down there on sundays to see the sea, two streets down for that office the ferry to Isle of Man came in. Seeing it all on map, knowing that water connects, then Liverpool, Anglesey, Dublin and Belfast is a land of which the Isle of Man is the great center.
Liverpool was the great shipping city in the 19th century, just next to London, and they have engaged and got their share in slave trade and of course colonialization. As the East India companys monopoly was opened up in 1813, this became a time of great opportunites for everyone who could get on sails. GC Schwabe had his Schwabe, Sykes & co, who engaged in far east (China) and brought home silk. Of course they also sold opium, that was the only entrance to trade with China, as they had all they wanted and just wanted to sell, for gold and silver. Whenever you see Chinese vases and their great craft of the 19th century, remember that, because thats the way they came here. The despicable trades which brought so much income is also the reason why Liverpool came to have secret spy school and got visits like both Adolf Hitler and CG Jung. There is not much left now, the docks were a giant junk yard when i was there and the only spyschool now is probably Paul McCartneys LIPA, which is a tragedy of education into Idol, and factor x related music .
The Schwabes are actually much written about thanks to somebody who wants to record the family called Man. I dont know if this has connections to the Isle. There are some, but not so many of the known names of our studymaterial here, but i see Palmer, Neville, Lloyd, and Plantagenet on their lists. http://www.manfamily.org/
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The Schwabes also include Klaus Schwabe, one of the biggest promoters of the “Great Reset” (NWO) at the World Economic Forum. Schwabe is an Ashkenazic Jewish/Phoenician name, of course.
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Another Titanic survivor, Edith Russell (nee Rosenbaum), retired her fashion & writing career in 1937, the year the Hindenburg, “the Titanic of the skies”, was “destroyed”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster
In 1911, she was involved in a car accident while traveling to a horse race in Deauville, France. Her fiancé, Ludwig Loewe, “died” in the crash. Loewe came from a prestigious Jewish family who was involved in weapons manufacturing (this is important since Edith later played a key role in WWI as a news correspondent/propagandist). 1911 was also the year of the Olympic-Hawke “collision”. No coincidence, I am sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Rosenbaum#Career
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Waffen-_und_Munitionsfabriken
https://www.houseofnames.com/loewe-family-crest
http://www.4crests.com/loewe-coat-of-arms.html
She was also a godmother to Peter Lawford and Patricia Kennedy‘s children in her later years, indirectly linking her to yet more hoaxes associated with that family such as the JFK “assassination”.
“Although retired from her work as a fashion buyer in Paris from about 1937, Edith Russell continued traveling extensively.[30] She remained active socially, befriending many celebrities during her stays in the south of France, Majorca, Lucerne and Rome, including the Duke of Windsor, Benito Mussolini and Anna Magnani. In addition, Edith maintained a close friendship with the couturier Jenny and actor Peter Lawford and his wife Patricia Kennedy, who made her a godmother to their children.[31]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Rosenbaum#Titanic_and_later_life
She also “sued” the White Star Line for the loss of her 19 pieces of luggage (don’t the 19 hijackers of 9/11, another Titanic-style event, ring a bell?) soon after the disaster. Wikipedia says it was “one of the largest claims filed against the shipping company in the aftermath of the disaster.” Ironically, Rosenbaum didn’t insure (?) her luggage before the Titanic “sank” because the ship was “unsinkable”, making the whole case fallacious, to say the least.
The luggage was stored in room 63 (6+3 = 9, number of completion, 9/11. Also the symbol of the Ninth Satanic Cult) on E-deck, four decks below Rosenbaum’s suite A-11 (eleven, again). E-deck is also where Scotland Road (Scottish Rite Freemasonry?) was located according to the Titanic’s blueprint layout. E looks like a flipped 3. 33, perhaps?
Here’s some info on her family origins. Apparently, “Rosenbaum” refers to wild roses. Perhaps an esoteric reference to the Rosicrucians? “Rose” is also the name of one of the main characters in the movie Titanic (1997) – Rose DeWitt Bukater (more commonly known as Rose Dawson), played by Kate Winslet. I guess that’s where they got their inspiration for “Rose” from.
http://www.4crests.com/rosenbaum-coat-of-arms.html
https://www.houseofnames.com/rosenbaum-family-crest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism
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The genealogy of Kate Winslet. Just like Leo DiCaprio, she is a crypto-Jew. A Abrahams is in her family tree. She’s also a Lidman, a Plumb, a Sims, a Bridges, and a Wells. All in the family.
https://en.geneastar.org/genealogy/winsletk/kate-winslet
https://houseofnames.com/Winslet-family-crest
Her family crest sports three dolphins. In Titanic (1997), dolphins swim with the great ship as Jack makes his epic “I’m the king of the world!” pose. Perhaps it’s a subtle nod to Winslet, who plays Rose in the movie:
Winslet family crest:
The dolphin is also an important occult symbol. In the TV series Spongebob, dolphins are portrayed as an Illuminati master race. Of course, we all know who was behind that show 😉
https://blog.shoplc.com/what-do-dolphins-symbolize/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin#Etymology
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin#In_history
Bikini Bottom is also a reference to a nuke testing site. Mathis has uncovered the nuke hoax many years ago.
Click to access bikini.pdf
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Loewe could be a variant of Loebe, as in Kuhn, Loeb & Co., later merged with Lehman Brothers bank in 1977, which defaulted in the 2007-08 financial crisis. Jacob Schiff, one of the architects of the Federal Reserve banking system, was its CEO in its early years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuhn%2C_Loeb_%26_Co.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehman_Brothers
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